Looks like I missed the payments to the new guys. Sorry about that.
I'll make sure you guys get paid now + a small comp.
Payment received, and thanks for the comp! |
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Don't nominate iPoker! it's one of the worst graphic I ever saw, should be better a qualified one to play on?
lol I really don't care much about the skin and the graphics, as long as it does not hurt my eyes and I can multitable for at least 1h Anyway the client graphics is really not the issue, it can be better looking than ipoker skins lol |
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i did not receive my payment any ideas why?
It's my first time in the campaign but everyone says that he normally pays, although sometimes does it late. Maybe he is less active on the weekends, I don't know. |
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Hello, I really enjoy playing poker and after seeing so many rooms "ban" players from some countries etc I decided to try btc poker, the problem is that there aren't many players out there yet. I'm playing on betcoing.ag for now, and it's good compared to the others I tried, but I still can't play in a lot of tables at the same time, and to do that I have to enter in tables with different blinds which can "ruin" a session, and even like that, depending on the time of the day, sometimes I can't play even at 3 tables on the same time.
So my question is:
Why don't btc poker rooms create a poker network like Ipoker?
They would still have their clients and separate accounts etc, but players would all play on the same network. That would really help the btc poker community and it would be good for casinos to, because more players would probably make the change, like I'm trying to do.
I mean if that works for big poker rooms, why can't work for btc poker? I really don't get it.
Creating a network like ipoker could be a great idea, someone will have to be the master at the top though who decides who gets in and who doesn't. It will create a monopoly in BTC poker for the time being. It would be nice if the other sites like stars just started accepting BTC its probably only due to USA market they dont. Why do you say it would create a monopoly? Like I said someone would be providing a common client and a network. But you can't call that a monopoly because anyone can be outside the common network if they don't want to join. Of course the only reason for that would be that you already have a big network and see no point in being in a shared one. You don't see pokerstars in Ipoker and you will never see of course because they are already huge. As for monopoly in the rooms there would not be such thing as well, because like I said there is a common network and a common client, but the rooms are still independent and have different clients thus, are competing with themselves. |
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How would all the different software be able to connect to 1 network? Is there a way that 2 different clients can connect to 1 network?
Clients would have to be altered. Every room in Ipoker has the same client, although they have different skins so the houses are well identified. It's still different rooms on the same network, so they only had to unite to create the network and the new client. This looks like a good idea but there may be a few problems. Wouldn't this need each site to trust the network maintaining the games? That would have to be very well verified to make sure no scams go on. And if a flaw in the software is found it will affect everyone connected. Then, many new gambling sites turn out to be scams and being associated with one could kill the deal. And also some larger sites may not want to do this to limit how many players they would lose to smaller sites. Smaller sites may not want to do this to avoid having to rewrite code that they just bought from someone else. I don't know how Ipoker does it, but I can't really see a problem here for anyone. I think the Ipoker network was probably created to solve exactly the problem of a lot of poker houses not having enough players to compete with bit networks like pokerstars, fultilt, etc. I mean btc poker is nothing compare to any of those networks, so the "greedy" way of thinking will do nothing for them. None of the btc poker rooms is a big room, they are all small and can't really compete with Ipoker, pokerstars etc, because of that, so they all have to win if they keep they accounts separate, and just unite their poker networks. There shouldn't be a trust issue because they will all have something to win because they would just become more attractive to poker players. I have no idea how the rake works etc in Ipoker, but I'm sure they could just copy the model. I don't see any room complaining about being in the poker network, so I'm sure it works. Not saying it can't work or that it isn't a good idea. But you didn't really answer what I said. And you keep comparing large and well established sites with smaller btc poker sites. What is possible for one isn't necessarily possible for the other. Like I said smaller sites may not have the money to rewrite their code. And having more people for their players to play against may be too small a reward for now. As for trust, that's not what I meant. I meant all the sites will need to trust the ones providing the rooms and running the games, not each other. That can create other problems, like scams coming from the providers. Or bugs in the code that could affect everyone, and hit small sites much harder. I guess there are ways to avoid these but that takes time and money. And btc poker sites may not be interested in that commitment for now. Yes the code would have to be rewritten, or a new service would have to be created (one that would offer the new network and the "skins"). If they afford to have one client and be in one network I see not problem to change that client and network for the new client (skin) and be on the new network (the shared one). As for trust I can't answer it. I'm not providing a service, and if someone would offer something like this I could not speak for them either. Maybe it should be "easier" since now you could point out one company that was providing the network and the client, but trust can always be broken and scams can always happen anywhere, so I can't answer that. |
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Just starting betting in BTC recently. For now it was only in mma, but I will try tennis soon.
Besides btc I normally bet in soccer and tennis.
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Payment in process. Sorry for being late!  I still haven't my payment. Is it normal to take this long (after the moment you said they were in progress until now)? If it is not, can you please see if there is any problem with my account. Thank you. |
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I never said poker rooms on Ipoker are together, actually I always say that they are not, and that they still compete with each other. They have different promotions and try to attract players for themselves the way they can. Players are independent and are not shared by the rooms.
I actually thought you were saying they were together, because you were always saying that rooms want to beat the competition etc, and that's where I thought you were wrong. I'm perfectly fine with rooms trying to beat the competition, that is normally good for players, and this would not change that. Skins in Ipoker see themselves as competition to one another, being on the same network does not change that at all. They are not "together" they are on the same network period.
I only see one reason for them to want to share a network, and that is to get a good number of players at the tables, and that is something btc poker has in common with them if they want to be an alternative to "standard" poker rooms.
As for the rake like I said I don't know how it works. All I said was that if this works for these rooms, because I don't see them leaving Ipoker, I see them joining, I don't understand why it would be bad for btc poker. I'm pretty sure it would be good for players. Maybe some players are shared by the rooms, I don't argue with that, but I'm sure that they are not 100% present in all the rooms, so yes a common network would mean more players the next time you would enter a room, and more players will attract even more players because maybe next time you sit on a room you won't just leave because there isn't a table for you to play at.
Oh and of course the idea is not mine, if I have any idea was why not copy a success model... (but I can't consider that as my idea since it means copying something)
Second and off topic, I never felt I was being cheated on Titan or any other poker sites. I play poker online and live, it's the same feeling for me as far as trust goes on the live casino or online poker room.
Third and still off topic, why so many posts man, you know you can edit and add info right?
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Its not poor thinking to be a critic of the idea you present,its poor thinking when the reasoning you present does not make things clear.
You want to create a cartel that would help grow the field and I think there are better ways then lumping them all together.
The idea that lumping 4 sites together will increase the player field is crazy. Overlap of players site to site,100% rake back deals would be squashed and incentive to promote ones own site would fall off.
What would stop me from offering a opposing site with rakeback and dropping the groups player field? Nothing.
Its really a great idea till you nit pick the edges and realize no companies come together unless it benefits them. Only reason this makes sense is if they push the rake up all around to balance out the other issues that come along with it.
End of the day poker is about rake and some one is going to have to lose for another to gain. Just do not see that happening.
Hmm this is not my idea lol, this is done in Million Dollar companies and it works. And it was done for the same reasons, so that small sites could compete with the big ones. Like I said I'm not inventing the wheel lol, it's not my idea, it's just a success model that already exists. The thing is, I don't think the sites want to offer a real alternative to poker rooms. They just want to offer another feature to their casinos. So yes, with that way of thinking, meaning not wanting to really become an alternative to poker, they just want to crush the competition and the idea of "uniting" (because it's not really uniting, they all have different players with different accounts etc, they just let the players play across rooms. Don't know if you really know how Ipoker works. Even their promotions and rake and wtv can be different, so there is competition between rooms. They just let players play together and not just vs players in their one room). |
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If/when Pokerstars accepts BTC deposits with low/zero fees it will be great for BTC.
Everytime you deposit there now you pay ~3% in fees.
That is not really the problem. Neteller already accepts btc, so you can deposit anywhere with btc. And there are already many poker rooms that accept btc deposits, some of them in the Ipoker network. They don't have tables, or let you have a balance in btc, but I don't think they will do it (actually if they do that would be for btc, but it would be the end for these small rooms lol). They would do it if they thought they were losing some clients to btc poker rooms, but they wont lose clients because you cant play poker for real in btc poker rooms because of the number of players. So yes we can talk to people and try to make them experience btc poker rooms, but we can't get them to stay without the number of players they need to play the way they like. And that can only be achieved if the btc rooms unite in the same network (that was the main reason why Ipoker was created, because that was the only way to get players from pokerstars etc. It's really just a matter of copying a success story lol). |
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This wouldn't work at all, most sites won't agree to be a part of this and it will fail, the poker cut of the house isn't that much in the first place and they wouldn't want it to be distributed. The future of BTC Poker is bright but all the players who are interested in playing Poker and not just the freerolls will probably choose 1-2 sites which gets more crowd and they will stick to them.
Like I said I don't know how it works on Ipoker but it makes no sense to say that houses would not like it etc. Every house knows the rake a player has generated, for promotions etc, so every room would get the amount of rake they deserve. I mean I did not invent a new system, it's something solid that works for Million Dollar Companies (betfair, titanpoker, bet365, etc etc 27 poker rooms rin total, you can check their site http://www.ipoker.com/html/page/cardrooms). Even their logo is Ipoker - always a full house. It works well for these big companies and it does not work for btc poker? Please that is just poor thinking. And the problem for btc poker is not that it isn't well known. I mean check this forum, on many poker threads people will say try this room or that one, but there aren't many players so if you are serious about poker stay on the fiat rooms. |
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Nice thread, missed this one. I would say under 2.5 but now it does not count xD
Anyway how will this work? OP will select a game, or anyone can do it?
Anyone can select a game, then we discuss it here. Nice, for now I don't see any decent game, but I like to bet and trade on football. So will keep an eye on this thread and share some games. (Word of advice though, I'm not very good at it. I just do it for fun xD) |
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The problem is most active players are active right across the sites and I would suspect the player field would actually dwindle at first if such a idea was to proceed.
Need to make in roads at 2p2 and due to all the Seals scandals its a hard slog trying to get people to try it out.
Besides this being the early days of bitcoin poker,they all want to eat the competition than work with it.
Everyone want's to eat the competition, the problem is that in poker they are all small. And I'm not saying all the sites should join, but the big ones that are trusted for now could think about it, so they would start becoming a real alternative to the other poker rooms. Cash tables and tournaments are pretty empty. I mean in the other rooms I can observe tables and see where I want to play, and the limit for the amount of tables I can play at the same time is based on how many action I can take lol. In btc poker rooms I am happy If I see players at the table. They can't really be serious and think they want to eat the competition, they must think if they really want to become an alternative to poker. |
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How would all the different software be able to connect to 1 network? Is there a way that 2 different clients can connect to 1 network?
Clients would have to be altered. Every room in Ipoker has the same client, although they have different skins so the houses are well identified. It's still different rooms on the same network, so they only had to unite to create the network and the new client. This looks like a good idea but there may be a few problems. Wouldn't this need each site to trust the network maintaining the games? That would have to be very well verified to make sure no scams go on. And if a flaw in the software is found it will affect everyone connected. Then, many new gambling sites turn out to be scams and being associated with one could kill the deal. And also some larger sites may not want to do this to limit how many players they would lose to smaller sites. Smaller sites may not want to do this to avoid having to rewrite code that they just bought from someone else. I don't know how Ipoker does it, but I can't really see a problem here for anyone. I think the Ipoker network was probably created to solve exactly the problem of a lot of poker houses not having enough players to compete with bit networks like pokerstars, fultilt, etc. I mean btc poker is nothing compare to any of those networks, so the "greedy" way of thinking will do nothing for them. None of the btc poker rooms is a big room, they are all small and can't really compete with Ipoker, pokerstars etc, because of that, so they all have to win if they keep they accounts separate, and just unite their poker networks. There shouldn't be a trust issue because they will all have something to win because they would just become more attractive to poker players. I have no idea how the rake works etc in Ipoker, but I'm sure they could just copy the model. I don't see any room complaining about being in the poker network, so I'm sure it works. |
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How would all the different software be able to connect to 1 network? Is there a way that 2 different clients can connect to 1 network?
Clients would have to be altered. Every room in Ipoker has the same client, although they have different skins so the houses are well identified. It's still different rooms on the same network, so they only had to unite to create the network and the new client. |
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Most likely they do not want to deal with bitcoin or a skin would have been made already. Must be protecting what they have from all being taken out in a sweep the rug movement.
Things keep going this rate poker online will die a slow death.
I'm sorry what are you saying? I was not suggesting that Ipoker would "adopt" btc poker rooms. I don't even think that works that way. I was saying that betcoing.ag, swc, luckyflop, etc etc, and all those small btc poker rooms could create a common poker network like Ipoker, so all the few players they have would then become a "decent" number of players, and we would all win with that. |
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Nice thread, missed this one. I would say under 2.5 but now it does not count xD
Anyway how will this work? OP will select a game, or anyone can do it?
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Hello, I really enjoy playing poker and after seeing so many rooms "ban" players from some countries etc I decided to try btc poker, the problem is that there aren't many players out there yet. I'm playing on betcoing.ag for now, and it's good compared to the others I tried, but I still can't play in a lot of tables at the same time, and to do that I have to enter in tables with different blinds which can "ruin" a session, and even like that, depending on the time of the day, sometimes I can't play even at 3 tables on the same time.
So my question is:
Why don't btc poker rooms create a poker network like Ipoker?
They would still have their clients and separate accounts etc, but players would all play on the same network. That would really help the btc poker community and it would be good for casinos to, because more players would probably make the change, like I'm trying to do.
I mean if that works for big poker rooms, why can't work for btc poker? I really don't get it.
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Will you ever make the table starter promotion easier?
Th ticket system seems complicated. Why can't we just sit on a table and wait for players, and maybe press a button on the software interface or something.
I also don't get the date order, the days get messed up.
Besides that, I must say that my experience on your poker room has been great. Also had to wait for a day to get my withdrawal but I don't think one day is a big problem.
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Like u9y42 said take a look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1128785I was looking for a btc poker room just like you and decided to create a poll on poker rooms, to help me decide where to start and to help anyone who was looking for the same thing. Besides the vote we try explain the vote so you can decide for yourself instead of just going to the most voted one. Like I already said on the tread I'm enjoying betcoin.ag. Feel free to try them out, leave your opinion and cast your vote. |
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