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1101  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt Monetary System launched: Now on Nxt Testnet! on: January 02, 2015, 10:45:52 PM
Testers still busy at work, upgrade to version 1.4.6 to ensure a smooth transition.

If you want to test Monetary System so you know how to use it on launch day, see here >>> https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/%28core%29-hardfork-on-330000

Monetary System goes live roughly 10th January, block 330000



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Release 1.4.6
[removed, see https://nxtforum.org/nrs-releases/nrs-v1-4-6/ for Jean-Luc's message]

sha256:

[removed]


Change log:

Set MS block to 330000 in the UI too, so that the MS features menu appears
after that height.

Enforce that currency exchange offer expiration height is after the current
blockchain height.

Refactoring of the UI html, splitting index.html into multiple files.

Added offer and transfer links to currency exchange booth UI.

This release will perform a rescan on testnet only, with a rollback to block
159305.


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1102  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NXT] Nxt - Official Thread on: January 02, 2015, 02:04:20 PM
Set MS block to 330000 in the UI too, so that the MS features menu appears
after that height.

What does ms means and how we can set ms block to 330000 in the ui

MS means Monetary System. This is a change in v1.4.6. Presumably it is a bug fix, in certain circumstances on testnet the UI didn't appear after block 330000. This fixes it so that the UI does appear. You don't have to do anything.
1103  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Nxt :: descendant of Bitcoin on: January 02, 2015, 01:56:35 PM
I would like to know a couple of things,

1. Will there ever be a change to the use of paraphrases i.e. changeable to personalized passwords  ( as this is a little much for 90% of the world that you would like to have adopt crypo, as a buddy of mine who ran an ISP for many years said, "it's hard enough to get people to use numbers in their passwords, let alone something this long" and I think he's right, I look around at all the people I know ...  it's hard enough to get them to even think Crypto is even worth something let alone adopt it ... so one must consider "GENERAL public" usability as a huge factor  when designing a wallet.

2. where is the block chain stored on my PC, as I see nothing in my %appdata% as per other wallets.


3. Are you able or will it be implemented that you will be able to create alias address as per most other wallets


Thanks in advance to anyone who take time to reply Smiley

Hi Kultus,

This is an old thread, you can use the link in my post a couple up thread for the current one. Or better still, nxtforum.org as there are usually over 100 people online at anyone time. There are over 500 posts per day there too as opposed a handful on BTT so you get quicker responses.


To answer your questions:


1) For ease of use, there are lightweight wallets at mynxt.info and mofowallet.com that use wallet.dat files. They don't have all the features yet but and in constant development.

Using a full wallet, 12 words is required. You can create your own password by selecting "Returning User?" and enter you own password. THIS ISN'T RECOMMENDED. There are bots that monitor new blocks for accounts of non-random account paraphrases that they have pre-computed. Only truly random is good enough, this is what the client creates.

"onesmallstepformanonegiantleapformankind" and "argargargargargargargargargargargargargarg" are the types of passwords that users thought were good enough that have had their Nxt stolen. Bible verses passphrases have also been stolen. There have been ZERO accounts that have lost their Nxt in this way when allowing the client to create the passphrase. Always let the client create your passphrase or use a lightweight client above. You have been warned  Wink


2) The blockchain is stored in "nxt_db".


3) Aliases have been implemented from Dec 2013 - Jan 2014 though not sure how you like to use them. They can be linked to more things than just accounts, such as websites. They can be used create a DNS system but no third party devs have taken this up yet. This would lead to decentralised websites, decentralised twitter, facebook etc could be built on Nxt.

You can assign a name to your account by clicking "No name set" in the top left corner when in the client. There is also "Aliases" in the menu on the left to assign multiple aliases to an account. "Google" etc. have already been taken  Grin Sending funds to an alias wasn't implemented a few months ago (it is to be done on the client side IIRC). Someone else would have to confirm if this is now possible.


Try the thread above if you have follow ups and want a quicker reply  Smiley
1104  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of stake mining of bicoin on: December 29, 2014, 02:09:48 PM
First you claim market caps denote the value of a cryptocurrency. I refute that point by explaining that all cryptocurrencies markets without exception are unregulated and therefore unreliable. I also demonstrate that with the paintings analogy. That threw you for a loop so you ignored the analogy and started talking about the art market. That's called a red herring by the way. Then you said
Quote
But I this is getting away from your proposition of your paintings with nothing to offer = POS platforms that support the development of real projects  Grin

which is simply hyperbole. I can appreciate that.

But then you have to go and defend your champion CFB. You consistently and completely ignore my rebuttals and instead use fallacies. Now you accuse me of social engineering.

Pot. Kettle. Black.


Comments about market cap was your starting point, not mine. My first post was that you were making a false comparison > Your paintings = POS. (I'll wait while you go back a read my post, it starts "bwaaaahahahahaha... "   Grin)

Your paintings = POS is a strawman as the two are definitely not equivalent (unless paintings does have an asset exchange?  Wink ) and you successfully attacked your false representation. Rather than attack the reality of POS (see the bit about Jinn and value not being depending on regulation or acceptance from authority). Far from ignoring your point, I addressed it directly. That was the starting point.


You put the paintings analogy in the middle of our conversation, not at the start. Your version of events doesn't correspond to our conversation and that makes me think you aren't interested in honest discourse, only trying to 'win'.


CfB doesn't need me or anyone else to defend him, he already does a sterling job of that himself  Grin This thread is a good example  Cheesy

But excuse me for the rest of today, I have to go comb my couch.
1105  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of stake mining of bicoin on: December 29, 2014, 12:40:59 PM
Then http://coinmarketcap.com/ gives us incorrect information... or you are just wrong.
My paintings have a price of 100 billion each. I have 500 of them. My paintings have a market cap of 50 trillion.

I see that integrity is not the strongest of your qualities...


You don't know what a strawman is. Let's just end this. You win. I will ignore you also.
Your. Trolling. Is. Just. Too. Powerful... aaaarrgghhhh!!!!

Truth hurts?


  Cheesy
What would you know of truth?

Evidence suggests it is true you try to play to the crowd when your points get rebutted. Maybe you are losing your ability to tell people what to think?
1106  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of stake mining of bicoin on: December 29, 2014, 12:15:39 PM
Then http://coinmarketcap.com/ gives us incorrect information... or you are just wrong.
My paintings have a price of 100 billion each. I have 500 of them. My paintings have a market cap of 50 trillion.

I see that integrity is not the strongest of your qualities...


You don't know what a strawman is. Let's just end this. You win. I will ignore you also.
Your. Trolling. Is. Just. Too. Powerful... aaaarrgghhhh!!!!

Truth hurts?


  Cheesy
1107  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of stake mining of bicoin on: December 29, 2014, 12:11:53 PM
So you are saying paintings doesn't have an asset exchange?..


I thought places to exchange shares and currencies are very important in finance... but what do I know  Cheesy Cheesy

You should check out the Jinn asset Grin It is a physical ternary processor aimed at the 'Internet of Things' revolution that we are told is coming down the track with a free and paid emulator for distributed computing. It is arguably external from crypto.

It doesn't require permission from anyone to exist or progress. Each update increases its value and that of the platform it is on. Market prices can exist without regulation. And regulation doesn't prevent fear and greed volatility and unrealistic prices. I bolded it so it must be true  Wink You can ask any technical questions you have about Jinn in this thread, the dev might pick them up  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


But I this is getting away from your proposition of your paintings with nothing to offer = POS platforms that support the development of real projects  Grin
1108  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of stake mining of bicoin on: December 29, 2014, 11:31:13 AM
What features do your paintings offer that might be desirable to me? Do they offer an asset exchange? That's always a good start. 50 trillion seems a bit steep tho... I think I'll wait for the dump  Cheesy
1109  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of stake mining of bicoin on: December 29, 2014, 11:24:01 AM
POS=no production cost=no value

If I can produce a coin without any cost, why should I pay any thing valuable to exchange it??? I will just go ahead to mine it

Fiat money can have value without production cost, because there is a law to force its circulation, and the cost to make that law can be a war, which costs millions of times more energy than POW mining

Then http://coinmarketcap.com/ gives us incorrect information... or you are just wrong.
My paintings have a price of 100 billion each. I have 500 of them. My paintings have a market cap of 50 trillion.

Bwaaahahahahaha!

Are you saying you could create a POS coin that could stay in the top 10 for a significant amount of time doing this?

You might I suppose if you kept 100% of the coin. But then you would have to show all others on CMC are doing the same. You're a sly one cbeast  Cheesy Cheesy borderline troll, the best lies are those very close to the truth Grin
1110  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NXT] Nxt - Official Thread on: December 29, 2014, 12:54:44 AM
This came up a few pages back, Bittrex doesn't seem to the facility to input the public key.

Post the details here or use the faucets in the op to get through the first step  Smiley
1111  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Nxt Monetary System launched: Now on Nxt Testnet! on: December 28, 2014, 06:41:26 PM
Nxt continues to set the bar...  Grin

Monetary System goes live on the mainnet at block 330000

This will be a hard fork, upgrade to the latest version 1.4.5 before block 330000 or be left on a fork.


Whoop  Grin


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Release 1.4.5

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Change log:

Enable Monetary System at block 330000. This is a hard fork, therefore everybody
should upgrade to 1.4.5 or later before that.

If upgrading from 1.3.x, read the 1.4.0e and later changelogs for the important
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1112  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Nothing-at-Stake & Long Range Attack on Proof-of-Stake (Consensus Research) on: December 28, 2014, 06:34:10 PM
Congratulations Kushti on an apparently flawless paper  Cheesy
1113  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NXT] The Nxt Technology Tree - Nxt's Sidechains released for testing on: December 28, 2014, 06:31:52 PM
Nxt continues to set the bar...  Grin

Monetary System goes live on the mainnet at block 330000

This will be a hard fork, upgrade to the latest version 1.4.5 before block 330000 or be left on a fork.


Whoop  Grin


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Enable Monetary System at block 330000. This is a hard fork, therefore everybody
should upgrade to 1.4.5 or later before that.

If upgrading from 1.3.x, read the 1.4.0e and later changelogs for the important
changes and new features introduced in the 1.4 series.


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1114  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of stake mining of bicoin on: December 28, 2014, 02:51:58 AM
I'll catch up later. Gotta go paint a donkey.
1115  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of stake mining of bicoin on: December 28, 2014, 02:49:31 AM
Bter was hacked. Forgers in Nxt were given the choice: accept the hack or forge a forked client that didn't recognise the hackers stake, cutting them out. They had 720 blocks to decide before the rolling checkpoint prevented reorgs. Forgers chose to accept the hack.

Replace 'bter hack' with 'hunger games scenario' and only masochists would have remained forging with the original version.



Well, it is true that consensus to a forked version is more likely during extreme circumstances,
but my point still remains:  What do you fork to?  Unless you fork to something other than PoS,
the hunger games scenario can happen again and again.



And as long as the majority are not masochists, it will never last. You fork to 'the same minus the stuff the majority don't want'

I don't follow what you're saying.

If the hunger games argument is that proof of stake causes centralization of power,
how do you "minus that out" while still keeping proof of stake?

The '1%' have 51% of the stake. The 99% with 49% of the stake decide they don't like being ruled and fork the client. Their 49% becomes 100% in the forked platform. The 1% are left with nothing of value.
1116  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of stake mining of bicoin on: December 28, 2014, 02:42:52 AM
Bter was hacked. Forgers in Nxt were given the choice: accept the hack or forge a forked client that didn't recognise the hackers stake, cutting them out. They had 720 blocks to decide before the rolling checkpoint prevented reorgs. Forgers chose to accept the hack.

Replace 'bter hack' with 'hunger games scenario' and only masochists would have remained forging with the original version.



Well, it is true that consensus to a forked version is more likely during extreme circumstances,
but my point still remains:  What do you fork to?  Unless you fork to something other than PoS,
the hunger games scenario can happen again and again.



And as long as the majority are not masochists, hunger games will never last. It would probably never occur, a different path would be taken at a less severe stage. You fork to 'the same minus the stuff the majority don't want'
1117  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of stake mining of bicoin on: December 28, 2014, 02:36:24 AM
Bter was hacked. Forgers in Nxt were given the choice: accept the hack or forge a forked client that didn't recognise the hackers stake, cutting them out. They had 720 blocks to decide before the rolling checkpoint prevented reorgs. Forgers chose to accept the hack.

Replace 'bter hack' with 'hunger games scenario' and only masochists would have remained forging with the original version.

Far from being a bad system, it is an example of decentralised decsion making.
1118  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of stake mining of bicoin on: December 28, 2014, 02:25:39 AM
Ok, I'll put you down for the day after 28th Feb. Far too early if you ask me...

I never new POS was unforkable too. That's why I like these threads with all the smart guys in, it is eye opening.

PoS already exists. Buy all you want. Nobody cares but you.

I don't follow. The 'Hunger Games' argument is only possible because POS is unforkable, right? How does me buying anything relate to this?

Ur post seems off topic. Don't worry, I won't report you Wink

Uh...no.  Anything open source is forkable.

The 'Hunger Games' argument is about permanent centralization of authority.
Yes, we could always fork, but why go down the path of centralization
based on stakes at all?



If you can fork it, how would it ever become centralised? Would the majority prefer the hunger games over other alternatives?
1119  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of stake mining of bicoin on: December 28, 2014, 02:23:40 AM
Yes, guilty. Sorry, maybe I should put something in my sig

Nothing to be ashamed of

Very nice of you to say. A true gent.

I only really like these threads to watch people get into a fluster talking to CfB and see it descend into passive aggressive quips dripping with disdain  Cheesy and watching the little bits of cement and the odd brick fall from ivory towers  Grin Cheesy Cheesy  Cheesy
1120  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Proof of stake mining of bicoin on: December 28, 2014, 02:09:49 AM
Yes, guilty. Sorry, maybe I should put something in my sig
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