#1 RATINGS of BITCOIN SPORTSBOOKS since 2014 : KYC Rankings, Bonuses, Scam Accus

[ajaxmoor]

I have also time and time again mentioned about never having a problem with Directbet. But I agree about the double spend issue and they should fix it. However I also think there are lots of other casinos with similar complains including betcoin, which have not been fixed, and them not getting affected on the rating just isn't good in that case.

Serious question here - why does it matter to me/you if they fix it or not? 

They're not holding our funds so they can't lose our money.  Worst case they get took on one or two individual bets and they must be more than able to eat the loss on that at this point - they're not going to vanish because someone successfully double spent 10 btc there.

if a completely anonymous bookmaker wants to scam someone because it makes financial sense, they don't need to hide behind double spend. they'll just take your money and there is zero you can do about it.

It doesn't matter if they fix it or not to you. I haven't read into the 3 cases completely, but they had accepted the double spends in the first place or thought it was. If they didn't accept it, then no one would have tried to cheat them(if they did).

[rampagejackson]

If they want to accept in-play bets are they not pretty much forced to deal with the risk of double spend though? Otherwise wouldn't they end up with legitimate bets being declined?

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Very few outside of bitcointalk are going have DirectBet as there go to book. DirectBet's odds aren't competitive.

You lose credibility when you post nonsense like this.

A couple of random games from today:

Direct Bet:
spurs - 4.2 - $100 pays out $420
atletico - 1.8  pays out $180

Paddy Power:
spurs - 16/5 - pays out $420
atletico - 5/6 - pays out $183



Direct Bet:
Bremen - 2.22 - $100 pays out $222
Bets - 2.8 - $100 pays out $280

Paddy Power:
Bremen - 13/10 - $100 pays out $230
Betis - 13/8 - $262




Direct Bet are looking competitive for me here, no?

There's a new line service that is out. DirectBet doesn't want to be on this service because their odds aren't competitive.

Directbet don't want to be added at this time. My guess is because users will clearly and easy see the difference. Otherwise we could add them relatively fast.

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"A" rated books
nitrogensports.eu A+ (2012)

"B"rated books
betcoinsports.com B+ (2013)
jetwin.ps B (2013)
bitcoinrush.io B (2013)

"C" rated books)
cloudbet.com C (2013)

"D" rated books
anonibet.com  D+ (2011)
coinbet24.com D (2016)
lunarbets.eu D (2016)
directbet.eu D- (2014)
sportsbet.io D- (2016)

Exchanges
betbtc.co (2014)
fairlay.com (2014)

Prediction Markets
betmoose.com (2014)
predictious.com  (2013)

"F" rated books
Ball2Win F ..........................accepting deposits. They are under the same license as "F" book gobetgo
BetCas F ............................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
BTCBonusBook (2015).......... accepting deposits with no payout history.
Casinoco (2015)...................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Coindrafts F (2014)
Webetcoins F (2014
Bitbm F .............................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Bitcoinsport F
Bitcoinlivebets F
Coinbet F
Gobetgo F (2013)
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC F
Blockbet F
Bitbook F

BetVIP - closed 6/12/15


Maximum grade based upon time in business:

A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month

[Rating Place]

I'm not trying to deter anyone from playing at DirectBet. If you like them, then by all means play there. The posts are made to justify their rating since there is a lot of talk concerning DirectBet.

If there is a problem at Nitrogen, Betcoinsports, Jetwin, Bitcoinrush, CloudBet and some others, they will show evidence of all problems relating to the sportsbook.

DirectBet's answer is our decision is final. If DirectBet isn't going to show contradictory evidence, then the complaints and betting slips are the determinants when deriving a rating.

[rampagejackson]

DirectBet doesn't want to be on this service because their odds aren't competitive.

The first part is fact; the second is nothing more than speculation.

I run a web business (nothing to do with gambling).   I wouldn't let comparison sites scrape my site either, as I don't think there is any real benefit to being on a site like that, having you chewing up my bandwidth and sending me the worst quality of customers.

[TwitchySeal]

In my opinion, it's very unlikely they haven't paid anyone who hasn't tried to scam them.
(in other words, anyone they have denied payment likely doesn't deserve to be paid)

I don't think they intend to scam anyone.

HOWEVER,

They are operating an exploitable site and playing the role of judge jury and executioner.

You may not have been scammed yet, you may not be scammed tomorrow.  But eventually, they will either go broke from being scammed or confiscate the funds of an innocent player.  It's inevitable

A flawed system run by people that reserve the right to only pay who they want will only end badly.

Every anonymous online bookie is the exact same - they reserve the right to only pay if they feel like it (regardless of past history, or what their T&C say).

re the point of it being inevitable something goes wrong, that is massively offset by not actually having to leave my money on account there.   They can't lose customer held balances, since there aren't any. 

Their system might be flawed but its only me that controls my ETH so there is never going to be a suspicion of double spends on my transactions.  That guy going on about exchanging 5 figures of cash at a party, the sender being unavailable to answer questions, then pretending he was in a different country etc etc, was absolute horse shit.  The only crazy thing there was Direct Bet actually refunded him, I'd have kept it his cash to offset the next successful double spend (either by him or anyone else).  Again if you're not going to try and defraud them I don't see any issues with playing there.   They are honest, and the claims their odds aren't competitive is simply not true as far as I am concerned (soccer bettor)

What's stopping this guy, or anyone, from literally just buying a new laptop, using a new connection with clean btc and committing double spend after double spend against them?

How about releasing a tutorial on how to freeroll directbet?

Nothing. 

DirectBet needs to fix this before innocent players end up paying for their exploitable system.

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DirectBet doesn't want to be on this service because their odds aren't competitive.

The first part is fact; the second is nothing more than speculation.

I run a web business (nothing to do with gambling).   I wouldn't let comparison sites scrape my site either, as I don't think there is any real benefit to being on a site like that, having you chewing up my bandwidth and sending me the worst quality of customers.

Rampage - I don't want to keep picking on DirectBet but I pay $375/month for a line service and can see the lines live without any delay from many books. DirectBet's odds aren't worth playing at.

[rampagejackson]

What's stopping this guy, or anyone, from literally just buying a new laptop, using a new connection with clean btc and committing double spend after double spend against them?

How about releasing a tutorial on how to freeroll directbet?

Nothing. 

DirectBet needs to fix this before innocent players end up paying for their exploitable system.

You can't accidentally double spend can you?

Outside of outright fraud and lying by the bookmaker, you're not going to innocently find yourself caught up in some double spend argument.

I was paid out another 500 Eth this morning - https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=0x7e368a14f7c7ff74e91a26e3ad3cb85d073c17a3 - it managed to land back in my account without any freezing of the money, double spend allegations, or any other silliness. Just like all my other 5 figure payouts did.

I'd love to see proof of the scam attempts on DirectBet but you need to accept that showing proof sometimes just makes no sense from their side.

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What's stopping this guy, or anyone, from literally just buying a new laptop, using a new connection with clean btc and committing double spend after double spend against them?

How about releasing a tutorial on how to freeroll directbet?

Nothing.  

DirectBet needs to fix this before innocent players end up paying for their exploitable system.

You can't accidentally double spend can you?

Outside of outright fraud and lying by the bookmaker, you're not going to innocently find yourself caught up in some double spend argument.

I was paid out another 500 Eth this morning - https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=0x7e368a14f7c7ff74e91a26e3ad3cb85d073c17a3 - it managed to land back in my account without any freezing of the money, double spend allegations, or any other silliness. Just like all my other 5 figure payouts did.

I'd love to see proof of the scam attempts on DirectBet but you need to accept that showing proof sometimes just makes no sense from their side.

A double spend attempt may show due to your wallet without you trying to do so. DirectBet amitted this. Another thing is the player claims that both transactions aren't from him. He made a bet that was rejected and confiscated. Another person tried a double spend. DirectBet won't prove they are the same person.

If you win $20k USD the top books will pay you. There's a chance that DirectBet may show a transaction that was a double spend and blame the double spend on you. Then they can confiscate your $20k.

[TwitchySeal]

You can't accidentally double spend can you?

Outside of outright fraud and lying by the bookmaker, you're not going to innocently find yourself caught up in some double spend argument.

Yeah you can, see my post here.

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Not sure if Hungerstyle is innocent, but I am sure that Directbet is guilty of handling this situation very poorly.  Feel free to repost this wherever if anyone likes.


Last fall for about a month maybe 1 out of every 20 transactions from my electrum wallet  were showing up as double spends and it was completely unintentional (eventually realized i needed to update software)  There were no big problems because they were all involving individuals or sites that require 1 confirmation.  

In the end, one would confirm and the other was eventually deleted from the block chain.

If I had deposited on DirectBet, could I have ended up getting freerolled like Hungerstyle?

There are two still in my Betcoin transaction history with invalid transaction ids:

This transaction is unknown.

You might have used wrong transaction hash, or the transaction you're looking for hasn't yet propagated through the network. It can take a while for transactions to get to blockchain nodes.

My point is, obviously I don't think any site can justify not paying out a winning bet after the fact because of a double unconfirmed transaction and a suspicion.  


If they have enough evidence to justify seizing 36 bitcoin from a player, they should be prepared to defend their decision to the player and the public (if player chooses to make it public)  Can't just say "fuck this guy, I think he's trying to scam us" and expect to maintain a reputation.  

Have you tried to double-spend?
If yes and there are proves, everything seems legit (except you)

Does your comment reflect how BetBTC would handle a similar situation?

Here is the post by TwitchySeal

[Rating Place]

Rampage - If you are making bets to win 50 ETH when you could win 60, why would you forego 10 ETH?

When you bet at best available you may be giving up more than 10 ETH.

[coindorse]

Very few outside of bitcointalk are going have DirectBet as there go to book. DirectBet's odds aren't competitive. Sophisticated players don't play at "best available odds".

Many times DirectBet only offers bets on one side. If you play best available you may be getting +300 when you should be getting +800 since DirectBet's odds are the same as an exchange that they clone adding more take.

show the evidence of your words , or its just a speculation.

[rampagejackson]

Rampage - If you are making bets to win 50 ETH when you could win 60, why would you forego 10 ETH?

When you bet at best available you may be giving up more than 10 ETH.

You keep saying it but when I look at UK based bookies all I see is Direct Bet being competitive. 

Okay here is 3 random bets for the first weekend of the premier league:

Leicester @ 2.14 v Hull

Man City @ 1.19 v Sunderland

Arsenal @ 2.2 v Liverpool

Feel free to point me to a bookmakers that is more competitive, takes Ether and pays out instantly with no (real) scam complaints. 

[coindorse]

Rampage - If you are making bets to win 50 ETH when you could win 60, why would you forego 10 ETH?

When you bet at best available you may be giving up more than 10 ETH.

You keep saying it but when I look at UK based bookies all I see is Direct Bet being competitive. 

Okay here is 3 random bets for the first weekend of the premier league:

Leicester @ 2.14 v Hull

Man City @ 1.19 v Sunderland

Arsenal @ 2.2 v Liverpool

Feel free to point me to a bookmakers that is more competitive, takes Ether and pays out instantly with no (real) scam complaints. 

its looks like Peeps Place paid by one of the top lists book , if i have to make a speculation like what Peeps Place did 
lol you Peeps Place

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Rampage - If you are making bets to win 50 ETH when you could win 60, why would you forego 10 ETH?

When you bet at best available you may be giving up more than 10 ETH.

You keep saying it but when I look at UK based bookies all I see is Direct Bet being competitive.  

Okay here is 3 random bets for the first weekend of the premier league:

Leicester @ 2.14 v Hull

Man City @ 1.19 v Sunderland

Arsenal @ 2.2 v Liverpool

Feel free to point me to a bookmakers that is more competitive, takes Ether and pays out instantly with no (real) scam complaints.  

its looks like Peeps Place paid by one of the top lists book , if i have to make a speculation like what Peeps Place did  
lol you Peeps Place

There's no speculation. What would you like proved and what evidence would you like used showing thet DirectBet's odds aren't competitive?

[Rating Place]

Rampage - If you are making bets to win 50 ETH when you could win 60, why would you forego 10 ETH?

When you bet at best available you may be giving up more than 10 ETH.

You keep saying it but when I look at UK based bookies all I see is Direct Bet being competitive.  

Okay here is 3 random bets for the first weekend of the premier league:

Leicester @ 2.14 v Hull

Man City @ 1.19 v Sunderland

Arsenal @ 2.2 v Liverpool

Feel free to point me to a bookmakers that is more competitive, takes Ether and pays out instantly with no (real) scam complaints.  

Using the top book Nitrogen:

2.247 - A bettor that placed a $100 wager and won would have won $10 more at Nitrogen than DirectBet.
1.215
2.297

[Rating Place]

Everyone is going to rank books differently and each person should play at books that best fit their needs. The ratings in this thread are just a guide. Warnings have been given in this thread to a few books that went under. We need input from all to help with this guide.

[ajaxmoor]

I'm not trying to deter anyone from playing at DirectBet. If you like them, then by all means play there. The posts are made to justify their rating since there is a lot of talk concerning DirectBet.

If there is a problem at Nitrogen, Betcoinsports, Jetwin, Bitcoinrush, CloudBet and some others, they will show evidence of all problems relating to the sportsbook.

DirectBet's answer is our decision is final. If DirectBet isn't going to show contradictory evidence, then the complaints and betting slips are the determinants when deriving a rating.

Tbh, I myself play on almost all sites including cloudbet, but they are one site I hear the maximum number of complaints towards. Like withdrawl issues, bets not process etc. But they never comment to most of those complaints, so we don't really know what happens after. But overall I think DB being onchain is one of the fairest of sportbooks, and that is the only reason I support them as well and feel any new user to bitcoin should atleast experience that and then decide for himself, instead of coming across this thread and not betting there at all.