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1421  Economy / Economics / Re: Distributed Cryptocurrency-Fiat Exchanges on OpenBazaar on: July 03, 2014, 12:49:36 AM

I know that there have been dozens and dozens of threads on this forum asking for a decentralized exchange to avoid another MtGox crisis. This is important, and many attempts have been made to achieve it. I believe the answer is here, or atleast, is on it's way.

OpenBazaar, more than being just a market for goods and services, it could also serve as a distributed network facilitating currency exchanges. Here's a proposal on how it could be done:

https://gist.github.com/drwasho/aa6ab79e92f2a876073e

Thats like asking people to trade stocks on ebay.  Dont think its gonna jive
1422  Economy / Speculation / Re: Tim Draper to Do Press Conference about Winning Silk Road Auction 2pm PST on: July 03, 2014, 12:39:52 AM
bitcoin is far from "too big to fail".  If bitcoin crashed, I doubt anyone will care to extend an emergency loan to any of these startups.  More like rats jumping off a sinking ship



Bitcoin isn't too big to fail because someone would save it lol. The government really screwed you up  Cheesy

Bitcoin is peanuts.   Its not too big to do anything

Investors won't dump their other investments and pour into bitcoin if bitcoin should crash.  If anything they'll jump ship and take a loss

No company is too big to fail whatever the government might tell you. No nation is too big too fail.

At that rate Bitcoin is not too big to fail either, YET. It is moving in the right direction (and that isn't directly due to investors buying it): https://blockchain.info/charts/hash-rate?showDataPoints=false&show_header=true&daysAverageString=1&timespan=all&scale=1&address=

"Too big to fail" doesnt mean what you think it means
1423  Economy / Speculation / Re: Tim Draper to Do Press Conference about Winning Silk Road Auction 2pm PST on: July 03, 2014, 12:19:56 AM
bitcoin is far from "too big to fail".  If bitcoin crashed, I doubt anyone will care to extend an emergency loan to any of these startups.  More like rats jumping off a sinking ship



Bitcoin isn't too big to fail because someone would save it lol. The government really screwed you up  Cheesy

Bitcoin is peanuts.   Its not too big to do anything

Investors won't dump their other investments and pour into bitcoin if bitcoin should crash.  If anything they'll jump ship and take a loss
1424  Economy / Speculation / Re: $18 Million isn't really that much money - market psychology on: July 02, 2014, 11:22:11 PM
Dear twiifm,

http://www.followthecoin.com/tim-draper-press-conference-winning-silk-road-auction/

skip to: 25:19

"What I was really thinking was..five years from today...it's gonna be worth a lot more or a lot less. That was really my thinking. So I wasn't really obsessing about whether day-to-day this was going to be a good investment. I'm not a trader...I'm a long term investor."

RIGHT from the horse's mouth.

What a stupid fucking horse.

Ooh you got me.  I am defeated

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back.  You deserve it

That's what risk is.

No risk, no reward. This guy is more qualified to make that call than you.

I'm gonna go get my penis wet now. Enjoy your night. :-)

What call did I make?  What I said is its dumb to pay over the market price.  I don't even care about this guy.  I was making fun of people who thought the bids were $900 and trying to find justification for it

You don't even know how much he paid.  He could have bid the market price while everyone else low balled it for all you know. 
1425  Economy / Speculation / Re: $18 Million isn't really that much money - market psychology on: July 02, 2014, 11:04:10 PM
Dear twiifm,

http://www.followthecoin.com/tim-draper-press-conference-winning-silk-road-auction/

skip to: 25:19

"What I was really thinking was..five years from today...it's gonna be worth a lot more or a lot less. That was really my thinking. So I wasn't really obsessing about whether day-to-day this was going to be a good investment. I'm not a trader...I'm a long term investor."

RIGHT from the horse's mouth.

What a stupid fucking horse.

Ooh you got me.  I am defeated

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back.  You deserve it
1426  Economy / Economics / Re: MasterCard Files for Patent to Integrate Bitcoin Into Upcoming Shopping Cart! on: July 02, 2014, 10:32:10 PM
Sounds like Ripple
1427  Economy / Speculation / Re: Tim Draper to Do Press Conference about Winning Silk Road Auction 2pm PST on: July 02, 2014, 10:26:19 PM
bitcoin is far from "too big to fail".  If bitcoin crashed, I doubt anyone will care to extend an emergency loan to any of these startups.  More like rats jumping off a sinking ship

1428  Economy / Speculation / Re: $18 Million isn't really that much money - market psychology on: July 02, 2014, 10:02:44 PM
Does anyone here really think people that are managing $100s of millions, or even billions, care about overpaying by $12 million?
...

You probably don't personally know any filthy rich people. Believe me, they care about that kind of sums, that's how they built their wealth.
And 12M$ wouldn't have been worth the advertising he got. He probably bid a bit over market price, and won since all others bid well below.

I realize you stay wealthy by being cheap. I understand that. I have a close personal friend that is worth in the $10's of Millions. Incredibly frugal and modest person. Not that $10's of millions is filthy rich.

But I also understand the importance of recognizing value and paying accordingly.

Because recognizing value means overpaying the MARKET PRICE
1429  Economy / Speculation / Re: Tim Draper to Do Press Conference about Winning Silk Road Auction 2pm PST on: July 02, 2014, 09:52:17 PM
He wants people to transact.  So why the hell is he holding bit coin as an investment?  LOL

He isn't. He's using it for his business to transact bitcoins to emerging markets.

Was pretty lol that he didn't understand the inflationary/deflationary question and answered as if the guy was asking about volatility.

He's a VC he's buying it so he can sell it for a profit in the future.  He didn't buy it to shop on new egg.  Totally contradictory to tell other people to spend their bit coins when you plan to hoard them yourself
1430  Economy / Speculation / Re: Tim Draper to Do Press Conference about Winning Silk Road Auction 2pm PST on: July 02, 2014, 09:45:52 PM
He wants people to transact.  So why the hell is he holding bit coin as an investment?  LOL

1431  Economy / Speculation / Re: Tim Draper to Do Press Conference about Winning Silk Road Auction 2pm PST on: July 02, 2014, 09:39:09 PM
Draper: "Anecdote about 2 iranians, who built business in Iran but left during a revolution, had to start over. Bitcoin allows people like that to avoid repercussions of revolutions. BTC is safer than fiat."

Draper Jr: "Instability of bitcoin is US centric view. Stability is relative. In other countries it could be considered more stable than local currency"

Easy solution.  Keep some money in USD in US bank account



Have you tried getting a US bank account? I have I'm not a US citizen I'm in UK, they won't touch me. I hardly think they are going to welcome iranians with open arms.

Just use HSBC  they have branches everywhere

I'm American and I have a Japanese bank account
1432  Economy / Speculation / Re: Tim Draper to Do Press Conference about Winning Silk Road Auction 2pm PST on: July 02, 2014, 09:34:18 PM
Draper: "Anecdote about 2 iranians, who built business in Iran but left during a revolution, had to start over. Bitcoin allows people like that to avoid repercussions of revolutions. BTC is safer than fiat."

Draper Jr: "Instability of bitcoin is US centric view. Stability is relative. In other countries it could be considered more stable than local currency"

Easy solution.  Keep some money in USD in US bank account

1433  Economy / Speculation / Re: Tim Draper to Do Press Conference about Winning Silk Road Auction 2pm PST on: July 02, 2014, 09:10:42 PM
omg this guy is a total whackjob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhcPcBxI-vI

6 Californias?  WTF??  

His firm invested & built the executive team of Angies List (ANGI).  One of the most notorious pump & dump on wall street.  LOL

Vaurum is a startup w 2 guys.  I bet his plan is to IPO and do a pump & dump
1434  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: VC Tim Draper Revealed as Silk Road Bitcoin Auction Winner on: July 02, 2014, 08:49:58 PM
Vaurum is a startup w 2 guys.  No need to get excited
1435  Economy / Economics / Re: Global Financial Crisis scenarios on: July 02, 2014, 08:45:44 PM

Exactly there is no ground for a deflation spirale! People spend more when prices go down; you must have never bought anything if you don't know that : are you a politician in Washington or an Economics professor??


Wrong! if prices are falling that means wages are also falling and business is prob cutting back on production -- laying off workers.  In other words aggregate demand is contracting.  Thats why there is deflationary spiral. 

What you are describing is just a store having a sale.
1436  Economy / Economics / Re: I need someone to give me Econ 101 - Why is mild inflation needed ? on: July 02, 2014, 08:38:58 PM

Was that what you were getting at or did I miss your query? 

I'm not sure if I am going in circles half of the time Sad

Anyways, many people were saying how a deflationary model is superior.
I was simply asking for precedence or hypothetical examples.

The computers one seemed sensible from my perspective , didn't realize that deflationary couldn't be applied to only a specific field.

Computer prices is not "deflation" -- its scale of manufacturing.   Please don't listen to these uneducated people who learn economics from youtube & fringe lunatics like Molyneux and Adropolous

Here's some historical examples of deflationary periods:  Theres a lot more examples but I just copy & paste this from some website

Post Panic of 1837―United States
Following the Panic of 1837, which was spurred by all banks' insistence on accepting payments in either silver or gold coinage alone, there was a five-year long period of economic recession in the US during which the money supply in the US economy had decreased by almost 30%.

The Great Deflation―United States
This was a 20 years long period, spanning from 1870-1890, in the US when there was a drastic decline in the prices of goods, raw materials, labor and services throughout the country. This was a rare instance of a nation actually gaining from deflation as due to the low cost of materials and labor, the just-beginning-to-industrialize US economy of those times was better able to swiftly inundate itself with industries and set up factories and production units at a lower cost. During this time, the well-established industrial nations such as Great Britain suffered economically due to a fall in demand and prices. The cause of this deflationary period is attributed to the return to gold standard post Civil War.

The Great Depression of the 1930s
The Great Depression is, perhaps, the most notorious among all historical periods of deflation. It started with the catastrophic US stock market crash on 29th October, 1929. This phenomenon is also known as the Wall Street Crash and the day it happened is grimly remembered as Black Tuesday. The Great Depression was born of manifold reasons, such as massive failures in financial structures like banks and stock markets, contraction of money supply by the US Federal Reserve, decision to return to the Gold Standard by Great Britain prior to World War 1, etc. The ripples of this depression was felt worldwide, with most countries experiencing its onset at different times during the 1930s, till the early 1940s.

The Financial Crisis of 1997―Asia
It all started when the Thai Baht collapsed, as a result of the Thai government's decision to float the national currency by cutting down its peg to the USD. This decision was spurred by failure to support the Baht exchange rate after long periods of financial extensions, most of which was extended towards real estate. Thailand was already under a staggeringly high foreign debt, way before the Baht crashed, and was technically seeing bankruptcy in the eyes at that time. The currency crash only added fuel to the already raging fire of an economic collapse. Starting from Thailand, the Asian Financial Crisis spread its ominous grip upon a large part of Asia, including Indonesia, South Korea, Laos, Malaysia, Hong Kong and Philippines were the countries that received a major blow due to this crisis. Other Asian countries like China, India, Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam and Brunei also felt the ripples, though on a much smaller scale.

The Japanese Deflation of the 1990s
Starting in the early part of the 1990s, the deflation in Japan, was a result of a combination of various economic and demographic dissonances. Chief among them were asset price deflation, investment in insolvent companies, extension of non-performing loans by banks, etc. Also, due to the large incidence of banks involved in non-performing loans, people in Japan prefer investing their savings in Treasury Bonds rather than in bank accounts, further pushing these banks towards insolvency. Another major concern is Japan's negatively lopsided demographics. A significant part of the Japanese population consist of individuals above the age of 60. This part of the populace is headed towards a decline and a higher death rate, which significantly exceeds the birth rate in Japan, making such demographics a major issue.

Financial Crisis of 2007-2010
The recent recession that rocked the global economy started with a decline in the liquidity that took place in the US banking sector. Widespread unemployment in terms of drastic decline in recruitment and a peak in firings by companies all over the world was witnessed during the period starting from December 2007 till June 2009. Repercussions and ripples of economic depression can still be seen and felt at present, though on a much smaller scale than when it started. This is why despite recession having officially ended in June 2009, the threat of a deflationary rebound still lingers in our minds.

That was a brief overview of the major deflationary occurrences in world history. Although there are certain technical differences between recession and deflation, both cripple the economy. Compared to deflation, inflation is the lesser evil as people don't lose employment and the aggregate demand keeps mounting, leading to increased production of goods and services which require employment and recruitment of more people. In fact, within a certain limit, a small dose of inflation now and then is actually good for any economy.
Read more at Buzzle: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/historical-periods-of-deflation.html
1437  Economy / Economics / Re: I need someone to give me Econ 101 - Why is mild inflation needed ? on: July 02, 2014, 06:22:58 AM

I don't disagree that inflation may lead to wasteful behavior and feeds the whole instant gratification mentality.  But what's a better alternative?  Out-of-control deflation (which is often what happens with deflation) leads to depressions--market crashes, very high unemployment, etc.

Most sane people would rather lose 3% of their savings, than be unemployed or have to downsize their business due to hoarders spending less money.   We need money to be inspire entreprenueral
1438  Economy / Economics / Re: Would people pour their cash into bitcoin given a stock market crash? on: July 02, 2014, 06:12:09 AM
If there was a crash like 2008.  I'd buy stocks hand over fist.   Easy money.

You mean short the stocks hand over fist then buy the stocks back at a giant discount and keep the spare profits
Easy money

Yeah that too.    Grin

I love shorting.   I made a lot shorting TSLA,  AMZN,  TWTR from feb to april.   Now I'm long on those plus DDD.  And recently made killing on GPRO

But its really hard to see the trend though and you need balls of steel to be the contrarian
1439  Economy / Speculation / Re: Winklevoss ETF will list on NASDAQ as "COIN" on: July 02, 2014, 06:04:52 AM
Only 1 million shares.   Small float = easy manipulation

Pump and dump time

Having access to wall street money, who really know how high bitcoin will go.

Yeah they'll pump it then dump it.   Leaving all retail bagholders in tears.   Seen it all the time in pennystocks
1440  Economy / Speculation / Re: NEWEGG ACCEPTS BITCOIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on: July 02, 2014, 06:01:24 AM
In other news...   Newegg accepts USD via Bitpay (who is converting bitcoin to USD)
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