what ur doin is trollin. u and i both know it and so does everyone else. that and who else would u be talkin to when you quote my replies in your posts?? im pretty sure im not assuming there...i mean who quotes me and then types a reply to some random person?? now that doesnt make sense to me at all buddy. but ir welcome to try and twist things around to make it look like its all made up if u want idc lol. its ur world....we r just livin in it right??

lol mkay buddy. there u go using a question as some sort of proof. ur so rigid my friend. if u bothered to read what i said u would know i have addressed what u have said many times. what is ur reasoning for thinking a design made by another human being or group of human beings is perfect and any alterations to said design are worthless? this would be the very first 100% perfect design in the history of engineering so again what makes you think the design is perfect??

by the way i would also like to point out you were wrong when we last spoke. remember how you claimed lowering the speeds wasnt possible because of the design of the boards on the auto tuned miners and asking is pointless?? well asking got the change....the change you claimed was impossible to achieve....it was somehow achievable....i guess us "hobby miners" know more about the hardware than you give us credit for lol. we made the impossible possible. i like the sound of that. once the fan control is completed you wont have a leg left to stand on....but honestly im fine with u hobblin around on one leg so anything more is icing on the cake.

my typing style doesnt any anything to do with the way i act. no one looks at my use of punctuation (or lack there of) and say OMG HES AN ASSHOLE BECAUSE HE USED TOO MANY DOTS INSTEAD OF A COMMA lol. its silly to think that you can judge someone based on their typing style. what is probably true is that i have been using tech in ways you havent. if you were a heavy txter or imer back in the day you would know that txts and ims had a 160 char limit. a fairly strict 160 char limit....one that wouldnt break up txts like it does today so the use of proper punctuation aside from a period or ! every now and them was completely useless to us younger folks. use of punctuation just took up valuable char space so it was mostly thrown out. now since i have been doing it for years it became a habit....u can argue that this isnt then this is now so use it but everyone has habits that are hard to break. for example putting your shoes on...have you noticed most people put the same shoe on first everytime? if you think about it u can change it but if u were naturally sliding your foot into a shoe u tend to use the same one first everytime you put them on. so this is a long way of saying if u asked u could have been told why i dont use proper grammar and punctuation when typing butttt u decided to lash out and try to hurt my feelings but the number 1 rule about bein a troll is dont troll a troll. common sense buddy.

ur age however is important to this convo. it can be 1 of 2 things (most likely). either ur an old fart like the guy before me said or your very young. the reason i say that is because you dont like change. you dont like seeing things from other people perspective. instead you try making fun of them and try hurting their feelings but your unable to grasp that many of the people you "troll" could care less what you think lol. i personally care more about why your trollin than what your actually sayin because when it comes down to it i have typed out long responses catered especially to you that explained how your wrong so im confident that that wont change lol. u havent been able to convince others that im wrong either so until you put more thought into it your point will never sink in with ne one that reads ur posts. all people r seeing is a sad little person lashing out at randos on the internet. hell even if they read your posts and thought about it all your doing is using another form of "i know u r but what m i??". your not bringing anything of value to the table when you speak type or socialize with anyone in irl or online. im open to other ideas and thats why i do well...others here are as well and guess what?? they do well too lol. but people driven by anger and hate dont prosper here. they get ignored and rejected by the community. it has been proven multiple times.

now like i have said before im learnin everyday and i dont claim to know everything nor do i want to know everything because life would be pretty boring that way but to assume the design of a product is 100% perfect is nonsensical and i wouldnt say its funny but its more sad than anything. no design in the history of engineering has been perfect. if that was the case we wouldnt have improvements being done to cars to go further on a single tank of gas or buildings that are able to withstand earthquakes and floods and anything else. if we lived in your world where 1 design is perfect and cant ever be improved upon we wouldnt be here right nowhaving one of the most rediculous arguments i have had on the internet. i almost feel retarded arguing about something so stupid but i love to argue even if it is with a potential old fart or child. so if you have an argument that isnt in the form of a question or that doesnt say the same thing (you think you know more about yadda yadda yadda than bitmain does??) than feel free to reply. if you want to keep going on the same nonsensical rambling be my guest....im always here to reply to people when they r being silly.

oh and before i forget...an argument related to how u feel other users should run their machines isnt valid either. its their machine and they can run them however they want. ur opinions are duly noted but its time to come back with some new information not just your opinions. facts facts facts my friend. i look forward to your reply.

i agree most dont like getting no answer or one they didnt expect but its your choice lol. i figured an adult would be more open about things considering me knowing your age wouldnt hurt you but again its your choice lol. some people like to hide behind the internet and some people (me) dont care and r open about things.

in any case why do u spend your time in these threads following my posts and trying to troll me? most of all how does not getting the reaction you were hoping for make u feel in the grand scheme of things?

i bet it is lol. how old r u if u dont mind me asking?

ur a sad little man. u dont have to believe me though lol....it doesnt hurt my feelings either way but why would i lie about this? most of all what will you say or do when you find out im telling the truth?? will u pretend like u didnt try trollin me on the internet?? will u say sorry?? will u stop replyin all together because you messed up??

and what does me buyin s3+'s have to do with anything here? retail is the ONLY option available to anyone. you do realize bitmain gives very little off and to get that fraction of a percent off you need to order hundreds of miners which is way beyond anything you or i can purchase so dont act like u somehow know the ins and outs of a company your not a part of. your just a guy that spends his days tryin to troll but ends up gettin trolled. remember our last convos?? u should spend ur time more wisely my friend. best of luck sweety .

ok guys so i spoke with one of the engineers at bitmain (thats what they said and i cant read chinese so the name on the email is unknown lol) and they said there is a way to control the speed of the miner on post auto tune miners. they have firmware posted up that sets the speed to a desired freq for example 550 600 etc. he said you will see more hardware errors because the board isnt finding the sweet spot so if the firmware would normally run the miner at a sweet spot of 525 with minimal hw errors using the 550 firmware will run it higher causing more hw errors. so its probably best to check what your miner is clocked at using the default auto tuned firmware before using the set freq. he confirmed that it is all right to use that firmware on all of the pre and post auto freq s9's so thats all i can say there. he also stated that the firmware is posted on the github site so you can edit the freq and compile it yourself with a desired freq. now with that said i will also throw out there i do not condone overclocking....its too risky with miners these days so its best to only use this to UNDERCLOCK the miner and never to overclock it. overclocking has proven to be a waste on these miners anyway so there isnt a point in it.

the second thing is im getting the fan speed controls added back to the miner. i told them i dont want it to lower the speeds (which i dont). i just want it so i can keep the fan speed constant instead of the up and down up and down the auto tuned miners are set to do which causes alot more noise and other issues. the pre auto tune miners have a set speed and i wanted it to be more like those.

so all in all it seems like these things are being handled and will be uploaded on their site whenever they are done editing the firmware i guess.

damn genie ur still talkin shit in this thread? smh......

i noticed yesterday the pool went down giving an internal 500 error after loading for long periods of time (5-10 minutes) and was wondering if the pool went down too or was that just the website? I wasnt around the miners when it happened so i couldnt check to see if they were idle or mining still.

lol only poor people?? im not rich but im not poor and im tellin u basing your purchase of these machines on the invo available today isnt very smart. the delivery date is 2 months away and the estimated coins per day went from 10 to 5 in less than a month based on my april 15th batch and the difficulty has been going up and up by around 10% every 3 days so expect to get 1 coin per day if your lucky not including the fees. i cant say its not worth it for sure but the info you supplied to prove its worth it tells me your not planning for the increase in difficulty. you will also see another large spike in hashrate when the later batches shipso your earnings will be even lower. unless they are shipping that miner within 5 business days dont waste your money on them.

do NOT use a y splitter on a miner! that psu is only 750w which means it is almost guaranteed going to be using 18awg cables which the board takes way more power than an 18awg cable can supply. it may run alright for a few weeks but the pvc will break down and the cables will burn up. you can run each hashing board on no less than 1 16awg pci-e cable. that means 1 18awg connected to a splitter isnt going to cut it. i said this in previous posts so dont try saving a few bucks...get the proper cables/equipment because it will benefit you in the long run.

Wifi is a very interesting option in my opinion. Now from past experience with bitmain and their miners it seems they use the same firmware for all of their miners...they have you load the stock image and then you load the firmware package for the specific miner you run. I was also told the firmware restore option wasnt available for the l3+ but thats not 100% true lol. I remember when i used to repair cointerra miners people shipped to me...it started getting harder and harder to find the firmware downloads for that miner and links were dyin left and right so i made an image of the bbb controller card using an sd card and a program loaded that auto copies the entire flash memory chip and its partitions to the micro sd card in a nice neat little image file. It also did the same in reverse if you changed the lines of code in the config file. The same should apply to the l3+ since it uses a bbb. If i back the firmware up i can remove the bbb and replace it with one of the cointerra ones i have left over and sitting collecting dust. The cointerra bbb's r full blown cards so they have every component including the much needed usb port and controller components for tx and power. I dont suggest hooking a high power device like a usb hdd or anything like that to the bbb if you replace it because we all know bitmain designs their boards to use what is needed and not much more than that so the traces for power tend to be very tiny. Since they use the same firmware accross the board the wifi option should pop up once a compatible micro usb dongle is attached or at least thats the hope.

I placed an order for a micro sd card so i can back up the image and try it on my spare bbb's. Idk if it would work but i dont see any reason y it wouldnt. I would just like the option of having wifi again! Something that was taken for granted during the s1/3 days and seen as un reliable by many was one of the best options for these miners! I wont use it with every miner but it would reduce the clutter a bit with all the tp-link aps i have connected to miners not close enough to the switch or when my router has no available ethernet connection lol. When my card comes in i will try all of this out. If it fails i lose $10....so no biggie.

i know this is a bit late but i mine about 9 ltc a day with 4 l3+'s and 1 5 cube titan at coinotron. the 5 cube titan is missing 1 cube because the pci-e connector blew out so im working on getting that fixed when i get some free time during the weekend. the titan is mining at 320mh/s for the time being so i would say in or about 1.5-2 ltc per day with the l3+ with variations depending on pps and what pool you use not to mention fees and so on.

i had to reboot one of the miners after running for almost 5 days....one of the boards showed all x's but that miner runs cool at 58 degrees c -62 degrees c per board so after a quick reboot everything was back to normal. i noticed before i rebooted it when the miner does this the hashrate listed on the main page is weird. for example it showed the AVG hasrate at 450mh/s (i underclock this one because of the noise like i said before) but the RT column showed 1.5xxxxx and the x's are random numbers. coinotron reported it mining at 370mh/s so maybe the board issue comes from some interface error after running for a long period of time? maybe an "auto reboot every few days" option  would be a good thing to have but so far i dont consider this "issue" much of an issue. if the temps were high i would but i think bitmain did it right this timeby spreading the hashrate over 4 boards instead of cramming a ton of chips onto 3 boards. there is a huge temp difference between the s9 and l3+ and that cant all be due to the difference in coin being mined. i honestly hope they implement this 4 board design into their future btc miners to give them a bit more room to breathe....it feels like it would reduce the number of failures others have had and that its way more forgiving temp wise since they run at such low temps to begin with.

EDIT:

I forgot to mention my l3+'s came with a beaglebone controller again....not the controller bitmain made to replace the beaglebone on the newer gen s9's. this is cool mainly because it means if you have your own full fledged beaglebone controller with a working usb and controller for the tx and power (bitmain uses bare bones beablebone blacks with no usb and other components to save money on making them) we should be able to use a wifi dongle again! right now im using tp-link external wifi ap's that need 5v power (the internal controller is the same as the one used on old avalon miners) which is a pain because i need a long usb cable and a pwer brick for the tp link controller but if you use the beaglebone with usb and a compatible wifi dongle you should be able to connect up to wifi networks just fine. I havent ever flashed a beaglebone black or backed up the image so if anyone has the bitmain firmware image (not the upgrade package but the full firmware image) i can flash one of mine an see if wifi works on it and report back. i dont suggest using wifi unless you need to and for 2 of the miners i would need to run wifi so i dont have long ethernet cables running accross the room.

Wait...your may 5th batch shipped already?? If thats the case bitmain owes me $1800 because there is no wait that should happen...both batches shipping at the same time when the first batch cost so much more because of the earlier delivery date...and by earlier i dont mean less than a week earlier so that wouldnt be fair at all.

I will admit the miners run great. I had to underclock one of them to 350mhz because the psu fan was too loud (louder than the actual miner) and where it was running you cound hear it outside in the hallway and i didnt want people complaining that rent space in the surrounding areas but that is by choice not because of a fault with the miner. Im going to guess but i think the right numbers are the temps...if thats the case they dont run hot at all. 55 when on 350 freq and 65 at 375. That is of course the hottest board im using as the example and with all miners of this design one or 2 boards depending on the board config will be in the least ideal location for airflow. In this case only 2 boards are in the path of the fan blades the other 2 are not 100% in front of the blades so they get slightly less flow but more than enough to keep the temps reasonable mostly because of the low power consumption.

Im pleased with the performance...but im kinda maxed out on power for the summer lol. I think i need to take down 2 s9's just so i can run the last 2 l3+'s since they make more per day than my s9's do. Then i have to figure out where to put the s9's that were taken down. I dont want to but i think i have to take down my titan and get that sold off since these r more efficient than the titan i run there but idk if these will last longer than that titan will...that miner has been running like a champ with no dead dies for what fees like forever so its pretty reliable when kept at stock speeds which i dont overclock ne miners so its always at stock.

Oh that reminds me...the freq of the miner can be raised or lowered but i and others would probably agree think its best to NOT overclock them. From a hardware standpoint and a moral standpoint. Bitmain could have done what they did with the s9 and screwed us on the speed and fan control but they didnt...this is good for us in the long run because we can lower the speed down to fit summertime mining needs at home if you mine at home but if you guys abuse it and burn up miners and request warranty repairs they might not inpliment a manual setting for any of their miners in the future so lets please be responsible with the controls/advanced configs. Dont be dummies and drop fan speed while crankin up the freq. in fact fan speed control isnt really needed for this miner (i dont use it right now at least) since it ramps up and down based on the temps. When i opened the window last night to let some cool 50 degree f air into the room at home the speed of the fan dropped way down so its not like the s7 or first gen s9's where the fan was set 100% of the time and thats what it runs at. Its also not like the second and third gen s9's where it ramps up and down up and down either so its much more forgiving with speed and noise. All im sayin is be smart about the controls so we dont lose them in the future...if there is one that is.

Sorry but what are you asking?? I didnt understand the question...

that all depends on them. in my area to run a 220v line that doesnt require a breaker box upgrade or any mods to the main box it will cost around $200. not including the cost of materials.


also to everyone else....

the miners hash great so far. here is the info i promised:

db sound lvls = 63
fan speed is auto but has a manual option same for the freq of the miner. im not sure how to read the temps because its not the same number at other miners....
hashrate = 500mhs
psu = 1x dps 1200fb with 5 16awg pcie cables
power usage at the wall = 913w

the most interesting thing is the file system version. it says the version is from jan 20th lol. if they really delayed the miners because of firmware issues that date would be changed because they would have had to load a new firmware version recently....not 3 months ago so this is more proof that what he said was a lie.here is an exact copy and paste of the miners front page:

Miner Type   Antminer L3+
Hostname   antMiner
Model   GNU/Linux
Hardware Version   1.0.1.1
Kernel Version   Linux 3.8.13 #22 SMP Tue Dec 2 15:26:11 CST 2014
File System Version   Fri Jan 20 18:13:55 CST 2017
BMminer Version   
Uptime   14
Load Average   0.80, 1.08, 0.72

the miner i coppied this from had to be rebooted because i changed the worker number because i entered the same one twice on 2 miners...i like 1 worker per miner so i know which is having issues if something comes up so i had to change that to the correct number. all in all so far so good with the miner. i wish they did more to cover up their lie though.....

well lets say you have 20a breakers. that will get you about 2000w on each breakers. if the house or building came with 20a breakers your good but if the breakers before or currently are 10-15a do NOT swap them out with larger breakers because the wiring in the walls wont match what the 20a breaker needs.

if your running the 6000w at home you will have to spread the load up into multiple locations in the house. even if u have the 6000w capacity running that much in 1 room of a house is probably not going to happen. most houses are 1-2 rooms per breaker. in my house the only room with its own breaker is my bedroom which is the master bedroom. the 2 rooms next to the master are on 1 breaker. and so on. the living room has all of the wall sockets on a single 20a breaker and that handles quite a few sockets. this kind of setup is typical for most houses made in the us unless special requests were made when it was being built which isnt the case for probably 99.99% of the homes built in the US. if you ran 6000w even in the largest single room in your house those miners would over heat because its just too much power for a single room to handle.

as for psus...an atx psu works fine but since most come with 18awg cables and 18awg cables would burn up under that much load you will need to use 2 cables per board for a total of 9 cables from a single atx psu. you can use a server psu setup and use 16awg pci-e cables and that will need only 5 cables if the power draw is what bitmain claims it to be. i wont find out until tonight....they got delivered but im still at work.

that psu will work for 1 and only 1 miner and will use every pci cable it has. chances r that psu uses 18awg cables like most do and they cant handle as much power as the 16awg cables can. even the evga g2 1300w psu uses 18awg cables.

as for the step up transformer....you will be using more power if you run the psu's connected to that if im not mistaken. they are also not recommended as a permanent solution to your 22ov needs. i run a step up converter with one of my rework stations i bought because it only runs on 200v and above....at 110v it runs at less than half capacity and wont fully heat up using 110v. since its not perminantly running the step up converter is fine for my needs but miners need to run 24/7 so a step up converter isnt the right option to go with.

This was posted on reddit...they paid off these bitcoin news sites that are willing to post anything you want them to as long as you pay them. The company "foxminer" was registered in the begining of april in au. Its clearly a scam. They list a lady as being the boss and any info found about her is dated and doesnt show much experience in this field of work. All in all if it sounds too good to be true it probably is. People shouldnt buy from these guys but i know someone will pay them...they just need 1 guys to pay to make the scam worth while :/.

I posted the nunbers the day this came out on reddit and the break even date at that time was about 70 days or so. I mean to claim 4x efficiency increases over the most efficient miners available in a 28nm chip seems pretty insane. I m assuming they are saying their chips are large like knc syle chips since only a handful are in each miner but still the numbers are off the charts lol...especially for a company that just got registered and has no visible experience. If they want to send me a test miner i will deff post a review for others but u cant provide hardware that doesnt exist sadly :/.

No one should have received their orders yet. Mine comes tuesday.

As for the hashrate...just remeber the huge hashrate added for the segwit blocking was my hashrate and everyone else that ordered already. That means when the miners arrive there wint be a huge spike in hashrate because it is already on the network. There will surely be spikes coming but if you take 500gig of customer owned hashrate and use it before shipping it the hashrate is still 500gig when it arrives. They have to make another however many gigs ontop of the original 500 to show another spike in the hashrate and since asics arent easily made tested and slapped into miners im hoping we have at least some time before we start seeing more huge 30%-40% spikes. This is just a guess though.

Also the bitmain customer support lady is very proffessional and mature! Not many customer support reps impress me but she did (i hope its a she since the name is "sherry" lol). Im a hard person to deal with when im annoyed and say ne thing i feel like saying (i have a perminantly missing filter) and she responded to all of my emails eventually even onles that didnt apply anymore so i gotta give them credit for that. I did however tell her that her boss fucked up and that i wont forget what he did and how he lied about doin it even when me and the community witnessed it with our own eyes and that myself and the community will remember this when considering bitmain for future purchases. Obviously she can brush this off as me being a dick and not care who says what or remembers what but if it was obvious to the folks on the outside im pretty sure it was plain as day to the folks on the inside. People keep quiet for fear of losing their jobs but alot of times a companies employees r just as outraged by the choices made by their employer they just cant be as outspoken about that. They can however forward the info to a higher up....the ceo of bitmain is the boss but hes not all powerful and all knowin. If he costs his investors money or too many problems with PR related stunts they will come down on him hard. We americans have invested alot into their miners but like other chinese miners have said "i have invested millions" and they are right in his backyard. Its not so much the americans he has to worry about...its his own people. I dont want ne thing to happen to the guy of course because im not into all that but i have known people i grew up with that have done alot more to a person or people for alot less money than "millions" lol. They went to jail for a long time and they dont care...im sure china has the same sort of folks.

In the end im just glad the situation is being resolved in the right way. I feel like the communities outrage influenced these miners in a big way. Yes they make money from segwit price boosting but i like to think the majority strong armed the minority in this case. Especially since people were posting saying "segwit will 100% never be activated" because they refused to allow it to go through. I guess our voice and opinions do matter somewhat!

I will still post info when my miners come for other peeps so they know. I ordered my power supplies and breakout boards and my cables from klondike (because hes a champ and a half at customer service!) so hopefully the psus come today. I have everything except my miners and psus. I used all of mine to setup my space heaters in my house until they sold (s7's) so i needed new ones for the time being. I hope to get 1 miner per psu with 5 pci-e cables. Each pcie cable can handle 200w easily and the 200w per board includes the 80w about for the controller and fan power so really the board uses about 180w a piece give or take. If they have an underclock feature i can always drop the speed down slightly just to bring it in the range of the psu but each one can handle 900w on 110v so it should be fine.

Sorry for the long post guys...

Ya i kinda got a bit happy when i checked the prices this morning lol.

The only thing im 100% sure of is u dont know what ur talkin about. Bitmain has never shipped my miners late...never. Is that clear enough for u to understand?? N.E.V.E.R! If you read the posts prior to this one you would already know my miners have always come on time.

As for free electricity...its not cheating. What u think im refering to some landlord that im renting a house from?? Be serious dude! There isnt a house in my entire state that can handle the power draw im pullin that i have seen so again dont speak unless you know what your talking about. I pay for the space i use and that is it. I get 2 dedicated locations both with roof top ac units. Im sorry you do not have the same setup but because your unable to get that doesnt mean others cant. Its not greedy to want the miners to ship on the date advertised. Every day counts. One day lost is money out of my pocket. Every miner know that....except for u...the guy that is willing to accept delays based on lies...

Offering me money for my stuff is also ignorant...of course imma use them instead of sellin them to someone because i paid for them. If u want to break even everytime you send a company money for something considered an investment your welcome to do so but i cant justify that kind of stuff. I never said i wouldnt use the miners and i never said i didnt want them. Being annoyed at a fake delay and running the miners after they arrive are 2 completely separate subject and one shouldnt be used to decide the other.

By the way my l3+'s will be delivered in the next few days. I will tell people if the fans r really loud or if they are reasonable.