dang...so your saying the temps listed arent really the temps of the boards and chips potentially?? hmm i wonder if dipshit will reply to this awesome piece of info and somehow spin it to where im makin up lies lol. this in another user saying pushing temps like you all seem to be doin isnt safe. in fact this guy capitalized his claim. i hope people listen....i really do. ik i wont be pushin my miners. if one dies it was meant to be but i havent had a single miner die in all the years i have been doin this nor have i had a single gpu overheat and burn up because i dont redline them.

but if it is an average temp for the chips on each board that means the chips furthest away from the intake are going to be hotter than the ones closer to the intake fan. even with the fan on the other end sucking air out this cant be avoided....hot air will never cool better than cold air so the chips at the end are probably running hotter than all the other chips and since you dont know the numbers for those chips running the average temps hotter than the numbers i listed will prob push those chips over the so called temp limits (which bitmain hasnt said was a limit only silly kids makin assumtions have said this). so 115 average temps may mean 120-25+ on the end chips.....hmmmm.

sounds like someones butthurt after realizin hes wrong. no need to be so salty kiddo. we all make mistakes. just learn from yours and move on.

don't say stupid stuff and i wont have to post to correct you. the s7 and s9 r 2 different miners....so comparing the s7 to the s9 doesnt work. the fact of the matter is if your gonna run miners improperly dont bitch when and if they fail. if your running your miners in rooms that are over 90 degrees ambient and you dont take care of your stuff which is clear that you dont your stuff will fail and i bet we will be hearing your sob story. i hope i see the post so i can throw an i told you so your way. i already told many others not to do this and their miners failed....your next i guess lol.

i also like how you throw out "a bunch of them are still running till today" lol. looks like u had some die on ya haha. its to be expected in those conditions. can you not afford a simple air filter where u run your miners?? god who wants dust caked up in their machines?? i know i dont.

you also didnt listen. i never said they wont run at the temps they mentioned (even though they never said those are the max temps they should run at or thats its safe to run them that high this is your assumption not a fact) i said they wont run at those temps long im sure....and sure enough i was right. if they are dying even you should be able to understand....THEY CANT RUN AT THOSE TEMPS SAFELY.

your confusing server psus with desktop psus....in either case the manufacturers of all psu's dont want you running the psu full tilt 24/7. running it at or above the rated wattage all the time is never good for the power supply. also at the wall power isnt the same as what the psu is rated for. if im not mistaken a platinum rated psu has an 89% efficiency at 100% power so if you are drawin 1325w at the wall subtract 11% from that and thats how much of the 1300w your using of the rated wattage. that will still reduce the life of the psu though and the higher you go the more you knock off the psu so those are the facts. its your equipment so you can do what you want but it is dangerous and will end up costing you money. spondoolies and bitmain are 2 completely different companies with 2 very different levels of quality. i doubt bitmain designed their equipment to run in the same way as spondoolies and the board quality is prob different too so to say the s9 can handle 115 degrees c is retarded. im not saying the miner wont run at 100c and above what im saying is it will hurt the machine and going by the posts here what i have said many times now since the s9 was released has been true. there are other factors involved as well such as humidity. these people r running their miners OUTSIDE IN THE SUMMER TIME for christ sake lol.

if you want to think bitmains quality is on par with the quality of spondoolies your more than welcome to do so but many here will say that they dont match up....not even close. and if you want to assume that bitmains miners are of a quality that says they can overlook the 20-25% buffer zone like evga and server PSU's can then its your hardware. i watched people lose s7's and s5's all over the place....i didnt lose a single one and thats because i didnt run mine like they run theirs. if you cut corners dont come bitchin to the forums when your miners die from being improperly used. if i ran them in those same conditions and mine died do u think i would bitch about s9 bein shitty quality and so on?? nope! because im smart enough to know not to beat the hell outta my investment....not if i want it to pay me back that is.

where did bitmain state a max operating temp for the boards and chips?? no where in the manual or in posts have i seen this stated. what they say in the manual is the fan speed must be above 60% to keep board temps below 80 degrees c and to keep chip temps below 115 degrees c.

now it looks to me that you assumed that is the max operating temp but assumptions arent facts. yes it can lead people to believe one thing but at the same time people with proper knowledge of this sort of thing would already know you should never run at the max numbers and ever step closer to the max numbers means a decrease in the life of the unit. a psu that is rated at 1000w should never run at 1000w all the time should it?? nope....it should run 20-25% less then that so around 750-800w depending on the quality of the psu. so if you apply the same to miners and you make the mistake of assuming when reading a document written by someone that probably doesnt speak english well at all then 115 degrees c would mean 20-25% less means the chip temps should be anywhere from 90-92 degrees c to maximize the life of the unit.

so again the numbers above are based on the ASSUMPTION that the max chip temp is 115 degrees c so every step above 92 degrees c means more wear on the components and a higher risk of damage to the miner and a shorter life. im sure the miners can handle 100+ temps like many are doing now but thats short term....they cant handle it for very long which is why people run them hard for a couple of days then BAM they r dead. if you run your GPU's like you want people to run their miners i would hate to buy your used GPU's because you ran them into the dirt. i highly doubt your running them any lower than the max temps provided to you. hell even gpu makers dont want you running their products 24/7 at the max temps....they are considered max for a reason. its to provide a buffer zone in case of sudden spikes. same with power supplies but max all the time is retarded.

Butttt if the miners were in a properly cooled environment they wouldnt have to worry about temps reaching over 100 degrees c. this also doesnt count for folks that just had a failed miner....things fail. theres no way to predict how long a component will last before giving out but the majority of the failures are due to folks using them improperly. Im confident in say that much based on the info being posted here. next time people should listen to us....and i hope my last few posts make people change their minds about garage mining and shed mining smack dab in the middle of summer time. its not me who loses money from broken hardware.

lol they havent done ne thing to fuck up paypal....the just sent the email out a day or so ago about accepting paypal. as for dealin with bitmain....i have dealt with them since the s1. i have owned every model of their s series miners except for the s3+ i heard about a while back but i havent ever seen 1. i started mining at home to heat my house but moved to much larger mining setups so im pretty sure i have experience with bitmain lol.

im not saying they dont make mistakes but the info i posted above about temps hitting over 100 degrees c and going above that means users dont understand the risks involved with running their miners that hot. sure it can be done and some may last forever at those temps but from the posts i have read in this thread alone im seeing that so many failed and their info many times includes temps that are ridiculously high.

now tell me....can bitmain be at fault for those boards dying when the temps far exceed ones that are reasonable? can they be to blame for users not knowing any better and running them in places like the garage and room where ambient temps push 100 degrees?? now if you have temps like mine and they died i would back you 100% but im seeing most 100+ temps so how can i support those claims? Everyone that mines should know 1 key piece of info......HIGH TEMPS KILL MINERS....period. if people refuse to ignore that or claim ignorance then all i have to say is maybe you should have done a little more research on proper operating conditions. i know for a fact 90-100 degree ambient temps in a garage or shed in the dead of summer with 100% humidity are not even close to being the ideal operating temps....common sense should be settin off alarms in these peoples heads but instead many turn here and bash bitmain about it.

i have had 1 issue with a miner....a batch of s5's i ordered were extremely dirty and covered in that fine black dust that doesnt blow off with compressed air like normal household dust does. it looked more like what comes out of a tailpipe of a car. they got back to me and sent me a new s5 for free without needing me to send anything back. that is the only issue in the years i have used their products.

to everyone that is running them in proper environments and not outside or in cramped rooms that you cant even sit in without sweattin ur ballz off i hope you get your miners repaired but for those that arent i hope u learned from your mistakes and i hope you listen to people like me that posted many times about 100c being too effin hot for any miner. it cost you alot to learn this mistake but hopefully it makes u not wanna repeat it again.

dang....i think the pp comment you made was pretty ignorant. not only did u not buy anything through paypal but when they finally start accepting an easier form of payment you go and try fuckin it up?? but if you send a letter to paypal they will just ignore it...your clearly trying to ruin a reputation of a company before it even gets goin. sure you may have dealth with buying in btc but you havent bought from them with paypal yet so try to not make assumptions before having any real proof.

now i noticed alot of people having issues with their miners fyin but i also noticed the temps of many peoples miners are 100c and above....your cramming huge hasherates into tiny spaces and expect to be able to run these things safely in your garages in the middle of summer?? thats just ballz crazy! here are my temps:

board 1 59/91
board 2 54/84
board 3 54/87

the ac unit for each of my rooms is set to 72 degrees and the frequencies are all set to the stock 550. sure one board per miner is a little hotter but that is because i have a strip of tape going over part of the grill because of the whistling noise which will be removed once the filter material i ordered comes and i can make some filters for my miners. but even with that piece of tape my chip temp on all my miners never goes above 92 degrees and all of my miners have the same sort of numbers temp wise. i would be shuttin my miners off immediately if i saw temps going near 100 degrees and above....they arent made to be running in your shed or garage in the summertime. winter time would be perfect but summertime.....bad idea guys.

IKR!?!? i flip all my miners 360 degrees when i first get them or move them just in case a heat sink fell off on their way to me but the board kept throwing me off a bit. pushing the controller forward and putting a dab of hot glue at the 2 exposed corners holds the controller firmly in place and isnt messy and doesnt take a whole lot of work. it can also be undone with just about no effort on my part too. i just dont like the idea of a pcb bouncing around in a metal enclosure....it makes me cringe.

well ya....they wont risk paypal with their newest machines....they r just doin it to unload the massive amount of s7's they prob have sittin around. its too risky to accept paypal for their most expensive miners....what with chargebacks and all that mess.


also i got s9's with both types of controllers. the older v1.8x controllers seem to have beaglebone cards but the v1.9x dont seem to have an addon controller so looks like some of my miners r old controllers. i also dont like the controller bouncin around like it does....it rattles more than the boards do. it might be a good idea to hit the 2 corners of the miner with a drop of hot glue so it stays planted in place because if the 2 rubber feet on the bottom slide out that controller will touch the metal case causing shorts. all thos extra work so they save 4 whole screws?? seems pretty dinky to me....



to those that want lower temps pm me and i can sell u some lets to stand ur miners up vertically....they run cooler that way.

nope....i have free power.....its not power at at someone house or any of that....its literally almost free because of the grant and subsidies the university gets because its a non proffit and because it is doing research on various things so yes normally it would be about .15 per kwh....but because of the other stuff that price gets offset. just thought i would throw that out there. if it was a landlord paying for my mining then i wouldnt be doin it but thats not the case with my setup. now thats not to say others arent using miners on a landlords dime but i cant speak for them just me.

ya 20% import taxes is ridiculous.

lol i have free electricity kiddo. i also have 2 dedicated root top ac units that just cool miners so its dell not "crazy" as you like to put it. but like another dude said....everyones situation is different....what is crazy for some is great for others. im lucky to have free power but i do pay $69.95 for internet for just my miners but thats not too bad.

nice! i guess they werent kiddin about them bein in hand ready to go.

well...no....they weren't under priced...bitcoin prices went up by about $20 per coin depending on the time they looked at the price so adding $42 to the price kinda reflects that price change.

this is the beginning of how it should be laid out! i dont mind bein wrong at all but if someone is gonna prove me wrong they should do everything in the right order.

now dont forget to factor in electricity and any decreases in speed when mining during the day since some people like slowin their miners down during the day in the summer. i dont do all that because i have dedicated ac units with free power but not everyone has that setup.

also is the 2170 including shipping as well? i believe shipping is $60 all around per miner which is separate from the import taxes of course.

im confused about your numbers....at the top you total dont include import taxes for the miner it seems. at the bottom you show prices that seem to include import taxes....sorta like your making your nurs look better then they really are. also the price ofbtc hasnt been 670 euros since june 19th which is fell sharply soon after that....like next day soon lol. that means you only mined at these numbers for a couple of days at most before the fall but thats if the miners arrived on time which im sure you did get a few solid days of mining. another thing i didnt see were costs for repairs...was it you that had issues with boards not working? if so the speed and or cost of sending the board/boards back should also be factored into your above numbers.

yes the first batch is a little fast but many of the people running them underclocked them because they were highly unstable at those speeds and if you got yours to run at full speed great but u would be one of the only people to actually pull that off so im not sure i see that being likely but more power to you. i also didnt factor in the cost of your power....how much do u pay per kwh??

anyone that paid before the halving got screwed. unless you have free power....free rent....free internet....live in ur moms basement....free import taxes (no one has this)....and any number of other highly unlikely things (but not imposible but i doubt everything applies to you) with ur setup the roi dates didnt make it worth it not to mention the price of btc went DOWN making the roi dates even further down the line then they were before. i think if ur gonna post numbers they should be the same one accross the board not ones missing key info at the top and ones that include key info at the bottom. key info being import taxes. keep all prices in one currency too. dont start with usd at the top and finish with euros at the bottom to fudge the numbers a bit. if you want to do the prices in euros do it in euros and same goes for usd just dont mix in a little of both.

i hate to tell all the early s9 adopters i told ya so....but i told ya so.

now onto the batch 10 listing....did you guys notice it said sold out at $1400?? while the other listing said up coming at a set btc amount?? i know this was mentioned before buy the guy above but to me it looks like bitmain provided the batch 10 link to some customers and sold them in bulk to them at $1400 each and they are reusing the listing for us after everyone already purchased their fill. the batch 12 looks like a new listing though because it has the same pricing model as the first few batches of s9's where they charged a set btc amount so maybe thats the pricing scheme by default. but if the batch 10 wasnt a recycled listing i doubt it would say "sold out" and ould say "up coming" but since it doesnt it makes me think it was a recycled listing. cant prove it but what do you guys think??

they sold s9's to early dedicated adopters at 21-2300 bucks a pop and now people like me that waited patiently for better numbers can now get them for 1400-$1550 each plus shipping with roi numbers that surpass the first set of batches numbers.....if only they listened to me and the few others that warned buying now was a mistake....they just wanted to make as much as they can before the halving praying on people that didnt know ne better.

but selling items that are being carded is just as bad as carding them yourself. playing dumb doesnt change the simple fact that these are illegally obtained. i guarantee if you stood infront of a judge and played dumb he will say the exact same things i said.....who would sell you (the reseller) ipads at 50% off that are 100% legit not stolen when apple wont even sell its biggest clients their devices at those prices....no where near those prices to be exact.....when said supplier could easily sell them for hundreds more?? hell to even move the product faster they can undercut everyone by $50-100 just to get the devices flying off the shelves....instead he is willing to supply you with apple products order 1 at a time for 50-75% off each which you then turn around and sell for 30% off? bulk discounts cant apply here because your not even ordering up front....your drop shipping 1 item at a time which adds to the claim that these are being carded or obtained illegally.

the address limit is another nail in the coffin that is this thread. they do this because too many carded items to 1 address throws up red flags....but really when they do an audit they can and have go after each person that had carded stuff sent to their address even if they claim they didnt know. i have seen it with my own eyes....

im not posting lies. your original post says these aren't carded then you go and says there is evidence that these are carded lol....do you know what carded means? because carding is ILLEGALLLLL lol. so for your "supplier" to sell you these devices at a discount higher than 30% (obviously its more because you arent selling these to break even.....you must be getting a discount higher than 30%) they must be obtaining them illegally using one of many fraudulent methods. idc if you claim your unsure about their methods being legit or illegal. what has been posted so far proves they arent legitly purchased products so stop leaving it up to the buyer to assume the risks involved. you should have stated the risks right away.....or just not posted all together because these things arent allowed here as far as i know. go find a dark web site to post your stolen goods on.

ignorant people lol....what im tellin u and everyone else is apple does not give 30%+ off for their products. they never ever have and never ever will. this means no matter what retailer you buy them from or wherever you get them from that person got them using various methods like carding or illegal gift cards....or most popular is the advanced replacement program that people abused with stolen credit cards. so no matter where you say you get them from i can guarantee this person didnt get them in ne legit way period! afterall if they were legit products not purchased with stolen credit cards or using tamperdata then he wouldnt be selling them at 30% off since they sell on amazon and ebay for closer to retail prices brand new.

you can call me and everyone else ignorant but your reply admits that something shady is going on with these devices and ordering them. your letting people use their real addresses which can get them into legal trouble just the the iphone orderin abuse that happened years back not to mention the macbook and macbook pro orderin exploit that sent people to court to prove they didnt steal anything....some of which had no clue they were buying carded goods.

if they are "obvious risks" then you should state in your thread that these are illegally obtained products and that once they try getting support or a repair done through apple they will deny it and they will also keep the device because it was purchased with stolen credit cards. if you order an iphone using this method they will also blacklist the imei number so it cant be used with any carriers making the device an expensive paperweight. dont tell users to not post the truth in the thread just so you dont lose sales. there are very serious risks involved with buying this stuff and i dont want people to be blinded by some 30% off offer when it can cost them more time and more money then the so called savings are worth lol.

i dont recall you posting that these shouldnt go to buyers addresses....receiving stolen goods is against the law and you can be arrested for just having them arrive at your front door. this forum isnt for illegal stuff like this.

your original post says "These items are not carded and coming from my sources Amazon.com store. " and then you added at the very bottom that there is evidence that these items are being carded soooooo ya.