that t2 psu seems sketchy though. i thought integrated psu would mean soethin like a server that can be swapped in and out like a server psu can. this is just a psu attached to the top or side of the miner case but we shall see. exposed full metal terminals dont seem safe.

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no its mainly due to the way they started releasing batches starting soon after the l3+ batches were being released. resellers would use bots to buy tons of miners and normal folks like u and me couldnt get ne thing. they mentioned this is emails over the past few months saying "if you missed the first batch...." so if its 2500 they spread them out over probably 2 sets of sales at least and anything else is due to the orders that expire before being paid.

i agree comp is the best thing for customers and the mining industry in general and would never ever say bitmain doesnt own too much/have machines that mine the majority of all the blocks out there. that would be silly and it would kinda prove im a moron. What i DO NOT like is the fact that people r promoting this company. I dont dislike the company randomly because im havin a bad day or just want to be an internet troll. I dislike companies that lie and cheat customers so they can get a foot in the door or recoup the money they invested doin things. in no way is that acceptable. In my mind its "all or nothin". im all for giving another chance to them as well but only if they make the current/former customers whole. making changes to the way they carry themselves in the future is a great start but ultimately to not be shit on in threads by folks like me they need to refund their buyers to make up for the mixup. and by refund i dont mean a full refund with free hardware...im sure u understood that but others might see that as "full refunddddddd" so im makin that clear now.

because the company has lied and cheated their customers nothing positive should ever be posted about them until they resolve these issues.

another ding is the fact that they didnt make this miner. it fully explains their shady wording about 30 million dollars being invested into miner production without actually saying they invested it. All of these things bring the companies rep into a neg territory.

If asicboost were to go away right now every t1 and im pretty sure t2 would die. maybe future chips wont do this but as of right now they require specific stuff to happen that others like the s9 dont require. This is wrong!! If they were in the us they can and would be sued immediately. we need US/US allied countries producing miners. having another chinese made miner doesnt go far to help the community because they cant be touched as easily as they can be in the us. sure us companies have fucked up but the govt can step in as well which wont happen with all these chinese makers. US resellers do us 0 good so i wont even count them in this part lol.

as for the s9 and asicboost...thats not entirely true. I posted in this very thread about a user detailing the instructions and commands needed to run asicboost on an s9 using the stock firmware. Have i tried it?? no....because i have been busy with some other stuff like repairing equipment that was sent into me the past few weeks. Do i think its worth trying? for sure i do!!!! is that somethin u could check out as well?? i honestly think thats a good idea since ur willin to test these things and u cant damage the s9 by trying this so y not look into it urself?? if u have hours to spend refreshin the miner pages of the t1 to check the efficiency its safe to assume u have a few mins to try the stuff bip mentioned. If it works it will allow s9's to hash faster and it will be able to be turned off at ne time.

as for the official firmware....i havethe official firmware from bitmain that allows for freq changin and full fan control (the control that computergenie or whatever his username is said is impossible to manage manually) and i use it daily on auto tunes s9's and non autotuned s9's. i run my fans at 80% and they run 10+ degrees cooler and even more in later generation s9's. My point here is bitmain can and will do things for customers. They arent out to get us. they arent out to let people have somethin for nothin either but every machine they have promised has mined within spec.

also to be very open....i lied...i did receive a free machine from them but not as a test. back when the s5 came out i ordered a batch of them and they came with that tell tale fine black dust that can only be removed with a rag all over them....basically meaning they sent me a well worn miner. I however paid for a batch of brand new miners not used ones and i believe most were new and perfectly clean but some were run hard and had warped side pannels. the resolution offered was to send the miners back for a refund and no shipping back to them or have 1 free s5 sent to cover the cost of my time taking the s5's apart to wash the heatsinks. I chose to go with the 1 free miner. Sure its not the same situation as getting free stuff since i technically paid for all of those miners that werent brand new but for the sake of openess i feel i should mention that. so i have no financial gain by hating on one company or the other...thats the gist of this part lol.

i have mentioned it a couple of times now but what about the payment transaction info for ur payment?? it shouldnt be a problem sharing it right?? That would validate ur claim of payment but it would still leave the door open to the issue of u getting special pricing for a last minute purchase when folks that paid during the sale and after had their money tied up for many months not to mention the steep premiums they paid.

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i think ur forgettin a few things here....bitmains s9 is able to do covert ANDDDDDD overt. this means it can turn on asicboost via a firmware change right now blowin the halong miner away. most of all it can switch back to no asicboost and still run which is somethin the t1 cant do. that is a huge diff. y do u keep ignorin these facts and stickin to this pool angle?? y u that close minded?? i remember asking about the price u got and if u thought it was fair but like i said u keep ignoring all of my points and continue repeating the same thing about pools can turn this and that on.

sha256 is not the same as sha256 requiring asicboost. this miner is being compared to the s9 but its not even on the same lvl as the s9. u know this is true. ur wallet....well thats a diff story.

speaking of wallets where is that transaction info showing u paid for the miners. u demanded that i remove the comments about free miners yet i have 0 proof that u paid. we have 100% proof that u didnt mainly because u urself admitted that u didnt pay a dime for them. step up and defend ur claims buddy. a trusted member who isnt influenced by money and or the prospects of free stuff and provided an unbiased "review" shouldnt have ne issues standing behind the claims they make right??

idc what bitmain is tryin to do with other miners. right now im focused on the s9 and the t1 and ur promotion of a miner/white washin of pretty major flaws with the machines.

let me ask this very basic question....if asicboost was killed by a change to bitcoin and all other sha256 coins would this miner still be usable ANDDDDDD if the same thing happened would the s9 still be usable??

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The t1  is better then the s-9 if you mine at slush (only when you underclock it down to below what an s9 can handle without asicboost and if u only want to mine 1 coin at a pre selected pool)
the t1 is better then the s-9 if you mine at bitminter (same as the above)
the t1 is better then the s-9 if you mine at any of -ck's 2 pools. (also same as above)

what is the date of black friday phil?? and after answering that please tell me what todays date is. after answering that please tell me how u getting a speacial pricing over others that purchased these machines months ago is somehow ok?? did you put the money down upfront for the miners phil?? also did u pay the price others had to pay except for this limited promo event they did?? i already know the answers to these questions and u do as well. If u dont want to be a shill send the miners back and buy them at the full price and wait months like everyone else did. dont accept miners for free run them make money then ontop of that get a substantial discount on the hardware when u finally get around to buying them and expect ur review to be seen as legit. u were clearly influenced by the company and the free gear. period. theres no argument about that.

also if ur throwin out there that ur makin the payment and so on and so forth be sure to post the info so it can be seen by folks so they can determine how to judge what ur sayin. i can tell u im a millionaire but does that make the statement true?? i would hope u wouldnt lie about making the payment (even though its a specialty price) but considerin how u flipped sides so quickly after receiving free hardware at ur front door its harder to believe what u say.

also i read that halong claimed these miners were 30% more efficient than the s9 when they were selling them to customers. care to chime in on that huge mixup or should we pretend like i didnt ask like u have been with everything else??

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bitmain has asicboost we can agree there but only on that part. bitmain listed the speed of the s9 as the actual speed. they also didnt force customers into using asic boost like halong did. halong claims the fastest miner title which isnt true since bitmains std speed is 13-14th/s (depending on the model) so if they or someone in the community activates this feature with firmware they will easily blow past halong. bitmain didnt promise 14th/s and send u 10th/s. also bitmain isnt trying to force under performing hardware on customers knowing they are out of spec. these r the words of myrig not me....so dont claim im spreading fake news or ne thing like that.

honestly i dont have experience with avalon that much. it would be silly of me to comment when i havent read up on or experienced the issues with those miners so that is y im leaving avalon out of this one.

lol u paid one of the lowest t1 prices and still think that gives ur words credit. U didnt pay back during the black friday sale. U r payin right now and by doin so ur showin how halong has given u special treatment. how do u think the folks that bought the miners at full price when they were actually for sale feel?? the limited time sale price for the miners that they missed just got offered to a "trusted" member of the community immediately while they paid over 2k per machine if im not mistaken....good job phil. u deff showed me huh?? lolol. its like u want a pat on the back for gettin a special discount right now while others had to fork over thousands and thousands of dollars for many months. but ur right....ur payment isnt bolstering my claims at all right?? If it isnt a special price for just u halong needs to refund every purchase for the diff price to make things fair. this shit is terrible and a slap to all of your faces!

also u left out the cost of the b52 miner phil lol. 5 t1's and 1 b52....did u forget to include that my "mistake"??


wrong....they didnt tell customers that they were locked to pools with asicboost enabled. in short lyin is bad and if u think they did nothin wrong then enjoy ur miner fanboy lol. it doesnt change the facts though.


thats exactly what i was thinkin. idk y he talks that way and links posts to wiki pages and uses fancy words to try makin others feel like lesser beings but in the end he hasnt provided any argument that goes against anything we have been sayin. his posts r so cringe worthy that i skip over his replies because i just feel like hes tryin entirely too hard.

as for the other stuff u r correct there too. work arounds that cobble together patches are not a solution to the prob. they also dont change the facts that they lied...they cheated customers.....havent met their obligations to the customers hardware/shipping/spec wise and most of all even when doing all of this they keep announcing new machines and havent given back to the customers that have been impacted by this shady way of doin business. i want comp for bitmains monopoly but im not desperate enough to take anything thrown at me. not to mention acceptin stuff from a company that just gave their "trusted" shill hardware at a substantially reduced cost while other folks had to hand over their money for months and months.

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so ur confirming that the t1 is hardware locked to only allowing asicboost correct?? address all of the issues before u start spewing nonsense phil. u can have a million pools able to mine using asicboost but by ignoring the issues u put ur rep out there and tell folks its ok to be duped and lied to. its ok to use miners that are hardware locked to 1 form of mining and at present 1 coin. that customers should expect to be ripped off by a company they trusted with their money. in the end it only shows that free machines will change ur mind and ur able to be bought and traded just as easily as the folks u deemed unfit to provide their opinion lol. its a shame that ur willin to promo a company for so little. I guess the truely trusted members should be the ones that get 0 hardware from companies or that do get hardware to test and immediately send it back or give it away to the community....basically folks that dont gain something to sway their opinion one way or another. once u decided to accept free hardware to change ur opinion u turned into someone u openly made comments about on the forums lol. sad



no one is sayin it cant be done. almost anything is possible really. its possible to own my own tiger....i can drive a new car every day of the week....i can live in a 50 room house with 8 pools but none of that changes the facts i keep mentioning. they lied to customers and misrepresented the specs of the miner in order to gain sales. Folks that are paid shills have and still are (phil) trying to bolster the rep of these companies so they get a little money or hardware in return which is equally as wrong.

the correct solution to this problem would have been to not lie to begin with. they could have produced a chip that had the best of both worlds. the fact that u consider a change to pool software to allow for things a solution proves ur ignorance. a solution is one that doesnt cause other people (pool opps etc) un needed stress and annoyance. what ur suggesting is a band aid. its like using duct tape to fix a leaky pipe. it may work in the short term as a work around but the issue should have been resolved at the earliest design stages and the face that they pre sold machines knowing they were lyin to customers proves they were bein greedy and r now havin less and less positive comments posted about these machines.


right u r my friend. i think he meant "temp work around" because theres no way he meant solution. nothin like hearin folks that think altering the code of their site simply to allow a lyin companies products to be used there. theres no possible way thats a solution.

i get what ur sayin but ur telling me that folks have to "pester" other coins to allow this to work. if bitmain made the s9 to allow asic boost to be turned on and off at will (via the firmware like posted before) y did dragonmint not do the same?? y did they force it??

when u buy a miner that is advertised as being able to mine a coin algo u expect that to be the case right?? lets say we have 5 coins in that algo...they thing hey i can mine in 5 locations if i so choose. the problem is they dont allow it here. these hardware requires all these changes and its downright pointless. again if bitmain can add asicboost select ability y cant ne one else?? and i believe the answer is because they would have had to advertise the hashrate as being lower than the s9 blowing away their claims of having the fastest most efficient miner. that is false advertising and they clearly relied on their wording to mislead customers big time.

idk of any ai asics used in other miners in the past. Im not sure if u thought older generations of antminers could be used but based on that story u linked it doesnt look like thats the case at all. It does say that if u have other AI asic hardware u can adapt it to mine these coins but bitmain making a miner that uses a new asic would be the first miner made to do just that. ne other hardware that folks convert into being able to mine these coins isnt the fault of this company or bitmain....its also hard to sell the "outdated crap" when there is no previous generation lol.

these miners werent made like s9's. asicboost cant be turned on and off like the s9's can. they require asicboost period. multiple people have posted about this including me in the many pages so far. unfortunately the so called "trusted" members ignore these posts so other folks dont consider them valid. This is why they were only able to mine on 2 pools when they came out. adding another pool doesnt change the fact that u can only mine 1 coin and it requires asicboost.

i should also add that if bitmain advertised any of their s9's with 20% boosted specs because of asicboost i would say the same thing i have been sayin. My views on the shadiness of how halong handled this wont ever change and should apply to every company in the future. however no one can say bitmain did the same sort of thing to ne of them. bitmain listed specs and thats the base spec of the miner nothin more nothin less. we can agree their miners hash at spec all the time depending on the psu used and the variations to the specs r within the numbers they give. ONTOP of that they provide refunds and coupons to customers that did get shorted. Those r the marks of a trusted company. Theres a reason they r the largest out there. Do i agree with everything?? fuckkkkk no but when set side by side bitmain hasnt done the shit halong has done to their customers right after sending machines out. Right outta the gate halong  dropped the ball on every single customer. thats a huge deal!!!! if bitmain did that they would lose cred with all of us but what happens to halong?? halong has 0 cred with the community....they have 0 history with ne thing....so they have no cred to lose lol. its like they r doomin the company from the start. thats what greed gets u unfortunately.



ur not understanding...u cant go mine peercoin with these machines. u cant go mine bch with these things. u cant go mine a new coin that comes out tomorrow (idk of ne but lets say one dropped tomorrow). ur stuck mining btc only with no choice. ur also limited to 3 pools now. if the pool turned off asicboost support right now all of the dragonmints would die. understand now??



I genuinely feel bad for these folks. what im more annoyed about r the "trusted" members that talked down to me and made my comments seem like they r invalid. They couldnt and wouldnt argue against them...it felt like how folks in politics say minorities r bein kept down and when i say im not holdin ne one back and instead of tryin to dispute my claim they flat out call me racist or a nazi (im a jew btw which is kinda funny since isnt assumin race also a form of racism??). yet when many more folks including ones from associated companies r posting info that kinda destroys the dragonmint image so early in its founding those very same trusted members are no where to be found. Even more interesting are the situations where they were calling these things vaporware but after getting free machines or special stuff their views changed to one that defends the company and their bizz practices.

i still havent seen ne thing being offered to the customers that got duped by this whole asicboost/pool restriction/out of spec mining situation. claiming 16th/s when the base speed is technically about 20% less is false advertising. they knew what they were doing with their wording but they pushed on ne way. customers should be lining to get partial refunds for hardware not delivered on time and that isnt mining to specs posted by them. remember guys....u didnt post the specs. u didnt determine what the miner would hash at and u werent a part of the design/dev of the miners so y r u guys so accepting of the kick to the nutz u have been given?? u overpaid for the machines and they have under delivered and lied to ur faces. stand up for yourselves people!

so ur sayin they "insist" u ship miners that are running multiple TH/s slower than the factory spec and they claim the hashrate is as advertised??



u mean "at all"?? because they wont run at all without asicboost. They only mine 1 coin on select pools. folks cant miner ne other coins when they use these things.

as long as u get free hardware u will promo ne company lol.

lets see if customers are stupid enough to pay a company that lied to them already lol.

so ur sayin that people shouldnt listen to other peoples postings online because who knows what is true yet ur more unknown than us all posting random information with no factual backing behind it and expect it to be heard and taken seriously?? seems weird dontcha think??

ur also tryin to speak for others. like i said before if ur willin to accept that u were lied to and cheated out of the hardware u ordered thats on u. u should also note that other pools have pps stuff too. the 2 pools available hold very little hashrate when compared to other pools on the network and they also payout based only on blocks found (aka no pps offered) and some users might prefer that option. the key word here is option. thats not somethin u get with a t1 buddy.

u said 2k wont make or break a miner....but a miner isnt there to throw money away. they dont invest in hardware that doesnt make them money otherwise whats the point? they didnt gtow to earnin x amount of dollars a year by thinkin the way u do and allowin thousands of dollars worth of loss to happen like u expect it to. no one just brushes that sort of thing off and says "mehh thats the norm" because no one has ever expected it to happen. can i go and take ur car or wallet and tell u that ur bitchin about me stealin ur stuff is unfounded because whats a wallet or a car in the grand scheme of life?? u can just eat the losses right?? no biggie lol.

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lol fear?? dont be retarded phil. u know better than to say silly things like that. hell just days ago u were on the bash wagon....in fact u were the one drivin the damn things.....that is until u got free hardware. let me clarify a few things for u since i love my lists so very much:

1. i have received 0 free miners. i have posted negative stuff in bitmains thread over the years too. this thread is for the t1 so im posting information that goes against what ur tryin to tell others.
2. nothin im sayin is a lie.
3. un mentioned hardware and software limitations r flat out lies and r even worse when they hurt customers like halong did with the t1 release.
4. if halong released a miner in spec that didnt limit me to bitcoin on 2 pools with a forced asicboost (aka no flex what so ever) then i would be all over those miners in a heartbeat. If they changed this miner tomorrow and it had all the limitations removed and a legit price i would refuse to touch them simply because the first thing they did was lie. how can u support a company that does that?? wow...just wow.
5. he edited my posts as well...mods on here do that not. idk y but be glad nothin got deleted all together.
6. i wonder if bitmain would provide a firmware enablin asicboost. i was able to get fan speed control and full freq control from them without ne issues so what if they provide a firmware enablin the use of asicboost on the s9?? would u then change each and every comment that says they r better than the s9??

1. then they had 0 bizz sellin miners to customers. the limitations of these miners is a HUGE deal my dude. u may not think so but remember when folks thought how antminer s9's could only mine on antpool?? do u recall how freaked out everyone was by this?? it turned out to be false but that is what happened here with the t1 and because of it no one can mine ne thing but btc on 2 pools with these overpriced machines. u better hope nothin happens to asicboost otherwise these machines cant be used period. maybe ur fine with undisclosed limitations on hardware u paid a premium for but others r not.

2. we r talkin about a 100% deviation not 10%. they require btc and asicboost....nothin else will work. u cant even take a 20% loss of hashrate and go elsewhere with ur machine because like others have said....they will not work at all period non 0 zilch....nothingggggggggggg. that IS NOT what folks paid for. in the words of phil....prove otherwise and i will retract my statement.

3. the info given was based on their miner and their PSU. if u have to spend another $300+ and drop the hashrate down by 2th/s to hit the numbers that claimed is that not somethin u should care about?? u can claim a 10% difference but ur not factorin in the cost of the beast;y psu phil had to buy along with the decreased hashrate that comes from matchin the power specs they promised. or maybe ur alright with payin the premium and gettin less than what was promised. if so carry on my friend lol.


4. he posted information and a link to bitmains source code for their miners. this is what they posted....r u sayin bip37 isnt trusted or worth trusting?? r u sayin the information he posted isnt and hasnt been looked into by other members?? this info hasnt been proven wrong yet u claim its wrong?? i guess my next question is who r u?? 50 posts and joined a few months ago...what makes ur assessment viable?? have u tried verifying the claims?? what were ur findings?? why was no information provided when u replied to attempt to insult me??

if ur basin ur comments off of engineers or spokes poeple for the company y r u not talkin about the fact that halong withheld the asicboost limitations from customers?? u can claim nda but a NDA doesnt take blame away from ur company for false advertising. do u understand that lies r bad?? do u get that most basic of basic ideas??

also i should add many members of this forum who r not related to asic companies at all have posted guides and info that allow u to maximize the efficiency of multiple model miners including but not limited to the s7 and s5....just to name a couple. now since they arent engineers with bitmain ur comment implies that they r sellin snake oil and r hurting customers in the process. im pretty sure they wouldnt take kindly to folks spwein these kinds of comments that end up groupin them into whatever shade ur tryin to throw here. the moral here is if udk ne thing about what ur sayin or dont bother doin it urself dont comment tryin to piggy back on what another member says. phil can claim whatever he wants...hes an adult....he doesnt need u to jump in flyin off half cocked lookin silly. info starts somewhere. rarely does it ever leak the way u want it to. i guess its good that ur not known or trusted here....we may never be able to pass information to one another if u had ne say about it. afterall isnt that what this site is supposed to be for?? silly kid.

a user "bip37" claims the asic and hardware for the s9 in general supports overt and covert asicboost it just needs pool lvl support and possibly firmware support to configure it properly since the s9 by default (on our end at least) has asicboost turned off. he also goes into detail about how to sort of turn it on without doing any custom this and that if u want to test it out.

here is a quote from the thread:

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    Does this confirm covert ASICBOOST or overt ASICBOOST?

Overt mode is supported by the software in shipping Antminers. The chips can do covert mode with different software though.

    Please can you send a link to the code

It's all in here basically, look for VIL and multi_version. "

and he links to the bitmain github page. others also say it doesnt matter if its overt or covert...both can work but the s9 supports overt. m i missing something?? if this is true that means every comment insultin me for postin basic facts r a lie and shows that u guys dont know what your talking about. I also stated that idk one way or the other and left it open to be disputed but instead i get the "ya ya??? well ur a stupid head" kinda replies with no information supporting what they r sayin. doesnt exactly seem fair to me.

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did halong tell customers that the miners people pair a premium for required asic boost?? as for s9's not supporting overt asicboost....bitmain says they support asicboost. as far as i know they havent limited it to overt or covert....so u sayin otherwise implies that uk about their hardware design more than the other folks that posted about it. can u explain or is that just a comment being made in passing?? lets say they support overt asicboost...what then?? would the s9 not have better posted numbers than the t1 like i keep having to repeat? would the s9 also have the flex to mine on more than 2 pools online?? wouldnt the s9  be able to mine more than 1 coin if the customer chose to do so?? explain how what i have said is wrong please. im open to other ideas here but i gave lists...u havent provided much of ne thing.

if this t1 miner relies on asic boost that means it cant have the flex every other miner out there so far has. how is that not seen as a pretty serious issue since no one was informed of this requirement before they purchased the miners??

show me where a t1 does those kinda numbers. again asicboost isnt the base hashrate like i have said multiple times now. if the s9 enabled asicboost which many are sayin is able to be done with a firmware update (no experience one way or the other with asicboost but alotta people r sayin its doable) what then??

also i like many others have 110v power. I do have 2 230v plugs but i use those to connect 110v apc transformers. whats the hashrate for the t1 at those power specs again?? dont forget that the price was based on 16th/s to roi....u now want to shave off 2th/s+ from each machine but the price folks paid r still the same meaning the roi times r now longer if at all. by sayin the t1 is better ur just spreadin the lie that its acceptable when companies lie to customers, sell underperforming hardware, and its ok to make claims that have been proven to be false.

also bitmains specs r based on the s9 14th/s and their psu. to reach the numbers ur claimin r better u had to go drop 2-300+ more dollars on a platinum psu. hell y not remove the fans all together?? that will save u another 100w give or take....since these crazy examples r bein provided to try justifyin y the machine hits the posted specs.

i cant say this enough................take the hashrate and remove 20% from it then come tell me and everyone else how good these machines u were given for free r. it was a bad idea to support ur claim to be able to provide unbiased info. free stuff makes ne one change their original bashin views to a more supportive tone when it means u get ur pockets lined a little bit in return lol.

ur also welcome to send me a bitmain psu so i can try it on 200+v power to give u the numbers ur askin for but for now lets keeps the specs to what the company claimed they would be based on the hardware provided not these inflated unrealistic numbers for BRAND NEW HARDWARE. 2 year old hardware outperforms brand new less than a month old hardware. dont u think thats sad??

first thing is chill...i quoted ur exact post when i got to it. if u dont like that be sure to go back and edit ur posts to include ALL OF THE INFO IN A SINGLE COMMENT instead of 18 posts with a piece of info in each. i will say sorry for not piecing everything u say in numerous posts together for u. sorry that u feel that is something im responsible for and that its my duty to track everything u say. im sorry u didnt understand that even with better efficiency that it DOES NOT change the following:

1. not the 16th/s advertised. u must make the miner slower to get similar efficiency numbers.
2. paid more for a miner that will take longer to break even if they ever do break even since they r now running slower (applies to everyone that did not get miners for free of course  )
3. The speed ur showin is with asic boost still. the base speed is 20% or so lower than that.
4. locked to 2 pools
5. locked to 1 coin


also things to note:

1. changing the fan speed does NOT void ur warranty unless u lower it into thr damn ground trying to have a silent miner that runs balls hot....thats just dumb and anyone that does that deserves to be denied.
2. changing the software also doesnt void ur warranty.

why do the above 2 apply?? because bitmain provided the firmware to enable fan speed control and clock speed setting. I didnt use a custom version of anything i didnt mod anything i didnt use ne thing except what bitmain provided to me. i posted this in the s9 thread many times but no one was interested in what i had to say so dont repeat things udk ne thing about phil.

and finally dont get pissy when folks quote ur single posts. i didnt mod the post one bit. i didnt leave anything out of it or change ne of the wording to fit what my post was about. it was a word for word quote so let me explain why its an issue. ur considered a "trusted" member of this forum. u posted saying that its slightly better than the s9. those that know u then read that very post and say "oh well since phil says its ok its ok let me go buy some". that makes u a propagator of lies and misinformation. U can claim that its the duty of others to find each and every one of ur many posts and piece them all together but the same can be said about the person posting the info. if ur providin a review should that review not contain everything all in 1 place not scattered about haphazardly like it is?? dont post bits and pieces all over some of which go against ur previous claims and expect others to do the work for u. if ur views changed then go back and edit the post and remove that claim of them bein better than s9's but either way the above list kinda proves that ur wrong.

pretend that asicboost goes away. imagine a situation like that....idc if its the case or not just pretend for a sec. what would the hashrate of a single s9 be?? what would the hashrate of a T1 running at stock speed be?? the answer is the s9 would be 13-14th/s with asicboost allowed on the network or not and the t1 would struggle to hit 15.5th/s with asic boost and would be 0th/s without asic boost. so please explain how they r somewhat better than s9's??

u also didnt answer the part about y u said they were slightly better.....is it because u got free miners?? the whole point was to be impartial. implyin that there is a ray of hope with these machines isnt responsible and makes me question the comments i have made in the past supporting u. maybe if i got paid or got free hardware i would sway one way too but we dont have to worry about that now since i dont get free stuff lol.

im still not understanding how these are better than the s9's....

t1 cons:

1. pool restriction (less options)
2. hashes out of spec based on the many posts being provided by folks
3. has to be underclocked to reach the watts per th/s numbers they bragged about and even that needs more testing
4. the biggest thing is THE HASHRATE ISNT THE ACTUAL BASE HASHRATE OF THE MINER!. the antminer s9's base hashrate from the factory is 13-14th/s (depending on the model) the base hashrate of the t1 is 12-12.8th/s from the factory. how can u folks overlook this asicboost info like that?? what happens if bitmain or another user posts a firmware allowing asicboost on the s9?? even then i would not consider the hashrate of the device being anything except the base stock hashrate. the boosted numbers can be shared as well but the base numbers should be posted first and halong didnt tell any of u this info....they basically stuck u with this miner that they claimed was 16th/s when really its not that speed at all....even with asicboost it struggles to hit those numbers.
5. they overcharged for the miner and under delivered
6. locked to one coin and one coin only....even if u dont like ppc and bch they r viable options that are available to folks but not to folks with t1's because they require certain pools to be used.

t2 pros:

1. competition for other miner manufacturers........but not really since they charged $1400 more for less hardware lol.


not to sound rude but i must ask this bluntly...r u sayin these r a little better than s9's simply because you havent been charged for the hardware?? I can see that bein the case and even i wouldnt worry about the specs of the machine as much if i had miners i wasnt charged for but based on the facts here they dont seem to be better than the s9. with the s9 they promise specs and u get those specs. thats one of the pros to those miners. i would love miner options but if im going to upgrade goin on 2 year old hardware with new hardware y would i want somethin that doesnt even out perform what i already have and costs more??

also to clear a few things up about the s9:

1. the fan speed is controllable. this applies to both the non auto tuned miners and the auto tuned ones. there is a hardware change and a software change that can be done to achieve this.
2. the freq is controllable. sure u cant control the freq for each board by itself but if u want to run at 400-650 thats totally changeable.

im not sayin s9's arent without their faults but bitmain hasnt given me ne free miners and neither has halong so this is info based on what im seein and what i have experienced first hand with my own miners.

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Moderator's note: This post was edited by frodocooper to remove a nested quote.