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861  Economy / Economics / Re: When will we stop living for the weekend? Escaping the 9-5 life. on: May 26, 2023, 05:22:19 PM
Do you believe that there's a true way to escape this vicious cycle, or are we doomed to live like this forever? Telling me that my minor savings in Bitcoin are going to settle me for the rest of my life isn't going to cut it, because the majority of us won't ever have enough Bitcoin to retire.
Not just majority but more than 80% won't have enough Bitcoin to retire. But the way to escape this vicious life cycle is still to invest and the safer side is when our portfolio is spread across different asset class.

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Are you satisfied with this way of life, or would you prefer to live a different way? What would you like to change and how? Personally, I'm clueless and not satisfied with the idea of spending the rest of my life like this.
No one ever wish for a life such as this but not every one understands how to break out of this cycle. Having a deliberate plan to own and manage our daily activities and investment choice is one way out. What i mean in essence is been our own boss not on a small scale business plan but on a plan that can employ people to do the work for us while we have our time to ourselves.
80%? I bet it's more like 98%; only the "chosen" ones will have enough bitcoin to retire. Someone who's barely making ends meet can't make huge investments if something else doesn't change in his environment to increase his available income. We often see other users praising Bitcoin, but it's not a panacea; it doesn't fall out of the sky. If you don't make enough, you can acquire enough to put towards your retirement. Thus, until then, you're stuck in a loop. I highly doubt that there's a way to break the circle; most of us will be stuck living on this routine, which on the one hand provides some kind of safety after a while, but on the other, it makes time fly by without having an actual meaning. At least that's how I see it.
862  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How old are you now in bitcoin investment? on: May 25, 2023, 09:42:00 PM
There's no direct way to answer this question. I started fiddling with cryptocurrencies in 2014 but wasn't active until 2016 or 2017. I made some money until the tremendous market crash in 2018 and abandoned the scene. Theoretically, I've been here for over 8 years, but in practice, I've been active for only the past two years. If I were to answer your question with a number, I'd say that my investments are somewhere from 3 to 4 years old.

Personally, I'm quite satisfied with my course in cryptocurrencies; however, there are times that I'm thinking about all the great opportunities I missed and daydreaming about how life could have been completely different now.
863  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is a new pandemic imminent? on: May 25, 2023, 06:41:15 PM
That's what I also believe. I highly doubt that another pandemic will occur in the next few years. However, due to overpopulation and poor living conditions in a few countries, I wouldn't be surprised if a new virus developed. The World Health Organization (WHO) has already warned us that COVID-19 won't be the last pandemic that will affect us, and honestly, I believe that our generation is going to go through another one, which will be worse than COVID.

Up until a few years ago, before the outbreak of SARS and MERS, it was believed by scientists that humanity had eradicated such outbreaks; however, this was proven wrong less than a decade ago, and especially now with COVID-19. I'm hoping that we won't experience such a terrible situation ever again, but history is going to prove us otherwise.
864  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mr Beast’s house robbed of everything except for bitcoin on: May 25, 2023, 05:53:19 PM
I heard that some people mentioned this character on the forum, but I didn't pay attention to him, and now that I see how he behaves, I'm not too sorry for that. I don't know if anyone has ever confirmed that the robbery even existed, and it's no secret that these so-called YT influencers exaggerate or deliberately lie in order to increase their viewership - in other words, they will do everything for a few more clicks.

I would not laugh at thieves at all because they take what they can sell quickly and easily, but at people who keep their private keys on a piece of paper next to their personal computer or even worse in the computer itself. The question arises, who is the real fool in this story?
I'm a little skeptical regarding Mr. Beast due to constantly seeing the same people in his videos. Certainly, he's giving away a lot of money, which he's generating from his videos that almost always go viral. I don't question his story; it's very possible to be true since his character has blown up since the first of his days, which made him a potential target. Moreover, I'm not surprised that the thief didn't acknowledge the private key; not everyone has a full understanding of Bitcoin, and it's likely that the thief could have searched for what it was when it was already too late; Mr. Beast had already moved his funds into a new wallet.
865  Economy / Economics / Re: Would you consider moving abroad? on: May 24, 2023, 06:44:02 PM
This is why I like jobs that doesn't require your presence, jobs like Coding and building apps for people doesn't require you to move out of your country to another, this is why I love technology and the blockchain.

Few projects have their team scattered around the world, they only face time when it's needed, the teams all work at home and do whatever they want, upload server, get a website running, etc

If I have to leave my country, it will never be because of job, it will be holiday, changing of environment for a while and relax for some months and move back to my country.
More than 10 years ago, as a young teenager, I was advised from someone who was already a programmer working remotely to learn a language such as Python, C++, Java etc. I was too young to understand back then and brushed it off. I'm not sure if I regret it or not, but honestly I'd prefer it if I had some basic knowledge. Generally, I've tried coding but didn't like it at all, and unfortunately for me, there's a great demand in coders.
Yes exactly that not everyone is successful in abroad and there a person not always happy so interest also play a vital role  in one's success. Sometimes people went to abroad but they don't get any job so instead of earning money they lost huge sum of money.

I think if a person has job in his own country then there is no need of going abroad because in own county there is a prosperous life with family which a man cannot spend abroad.
Success is a very general term. I know a few acquaintances of mine who moved abroad and had two or more roommates in order to get by. Personally, this is something that I wouldn't want as an individual. It's certainly not a panacea solution.
If it's time to move for reasons that are inevitable, then you have to.
For me, it's like the last resort that I've got but as long as things are still fine where I am right now, I haven't thought of moving in other countries.

I'd love to travel and have a vacation but moving permanently, no.
Definitely,  it's also my last resort. I will attempt everything else before making such an important decision, with the best option being remote work.
866  Economy / Economics / Re: When will we stop living for the weekend? Escaping the 9-5 life. on: May 23, 2023, 07:00:46 PM
Breakthrough? Create your own business. That is the only way way to break the cycle. But as we all know, not all people has the capability and eagerness. Some are contented with earning 5 digits from their work and there's nothing wrong with that. But if you are seeking for more and tired of waking up early just to be stressed out for the rest of the day then be your own company. It'll be a win-win situation. Try and succeed or try and learn. If you'd succeed then good but if you don't, then for sure you'd appreciate what you have at your job. It is not easy to run a business. If it is, then everyone should be a millionaire by now. But that's now how simple things are.
Creating your own company has other issues; there's no panacea when it comes to businesses. You're taking far greater risks; you may work even longer than 8 hours and suffer from stress due to all the responsibilities; there's a great chance that you might have even less personal time, especially during the first few months of its foundation. You'll escape the 9-to-5 reality, but you might find yourself in another loophole.
Dear Op, it looks like, you have been motivated by Andrew Tate's talks, HAHA. as i have seen some videos of him in which he talks about Matrix. Means, the same as your post. , people are stuck in this life and in daily work, living the same life every day. Some of them, Like you, got tired of it but i have seen only a few who really enjoy this life. As, according to my vision, i think we should not think that we are stuck in the matrix but instead we are just burdened up with so much work and less rest has encouraged us to make some bold moves that we don't want. Such as resigning from that work.

No, i am not satisfied with this type of life but i have not in any job which goes from 9 to 5. But i have seen 98% of people in my surrounding, who are working 9 to 5 and earning not so much money that they can not fulfill their own wishes. Which really makes me think to avoid such a lifestyle. So, i find a way of online earning through freelancing, but you know what, that is way more worse than a traditional job.
Andrew Tate's videos are rubbish, and I'm certainly not motivated by them. It's simple logic that I'd rather have a more thrilling life than constantly look forward to something coming to an end. Every day we're anticipating when our shift will end, when the week will be over to have the day off, for Christmas or Easter vacations, and time flies by without us acknowledging how important that is.
867  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: A Mail I Received Today.. on: May 21, 2023, 06:15:10 PM
I've received an abundance of similar emails over the past few months claiming that I've bought something or paid for some kind of service, with an attached invoice, not related to cryptocurrencies. I haven't bothered to investigate any further, but so far, I don't see how they end up scamming you, perhaps by trying to persuade you to pay the invoice. Scammers are constantly trying to find new ways to scam people, and their innovation surprises me.

Report them and move on, not much you can do to stop them, u less you change your email address.
868  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin investment, fulltime endeavor or side hustle? on: May 21, 2023, 04:13:14 PM
Side hustle, of course. Trading doesn't provide a steady income, and Bitcoin itself is volatile enough to not depend on it without a main source of income. I did manage to earn a decent sum of money while trading, but not all days were pleasant or enough to call it a full-time job—not even close. On top of that, trading is stressful enough by itself to be done full-time. Unless you have a great sum of money that you're willing to put into trading, which means potentially generating greater results, then no, I don't think it's feasible enough to be sustainable.

You need a main source of income in order to support yourself and have some level of security in case anything happens, as cryptocurrencies are volatile and may not always yield the result you're hoping for.
869  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: The reason of why Bitcoin is good for trading (for me) on: May 21, 2023, 12:00:41 PM
I've also been doing that OP when I was new in the market, I was thinking about security and profit assurance as well. But as we gain more experience and market engagement, I've found out that using altcoins for trading is even more profitable compared to Bitcoin, however, the risk is too high as well which is not recommended for low-risk appetite.

But I would say that if you are already contented with what happened to you, I think placing yourselves in your comfort zone is very important in trading. However, I will still encourage you to try altcoins as well.
Altcoins also yielded greater profits when I used to trade a few years ago. I'm stuck with bitcoin holding now. However, the OP doesn't like that he's actively trading but mostly trying to take advantage of opportunities created during a bear market or generally when it's more volatile than usual and holding till he can sell at a profit. Traders are actively conducting transactions, holding on to the wrong trade might cost them more money than selling at a loss. This is why there are so many tools to assist you when trading (stop loss, etc.). Anyway, we're free to do what we please and what we believe works best for us.
870  Economy / Economics / Re: When will we stop living for the weekend? Escaping the 9-5 life. on: May 21, 2023, 10:06:26 AM
What country do you live in? Here, the leave is 50 days, with the possibility of extending it for two weeks if you are sick. The average leave is two days a week, and the majority get two and a half days during the week with 8 hours per day.
The problem does not lie in the time of work, but rather the enjoyment of what you do. You will not find a person who loves the work he does who fails to go to work every day, or at least he does not enjoy it. When this is true, time does not make a difference, even if you work three hours a day, it will be annoying Extremely.

The solution to get rid of this problem is to create your own business, invest in yourself and your education, and finally save a little money and start investing early.
I'm from Greece, and the most you can get is actually 24 days of paid time off. 50 days sounds incredible and completely unrealistic for our standards. I wish I had two days off and 50 days of PTO. I'd be completely satisfied, even though I'd still be working for someone else's company. Creating your own company still doesn't always solve this matter, since you need to have trusted people run it when you're gone, and because it's your own business, you may end up working even longer hours.
This is why the new norm is work from home. People are sick of the 9-5 jobs in cubicles where they basically do something online which they can easily do at home.

Hence they work from home and enjoy spending more time with families. Many businesses ended the work from home options and people just quit and found a job elsewhere because they liked that life style.

Who wants to be stuck in traffic for 1 hour then work 9 to 5 and be stuck in traffic for another hour and come home at 6pm.
Indeed, working from home seems ideal at the moment because of flexible working hours and the fact that you also avoid stressful and time-consuming commuting. The issue with online jobs, though, is that their sectors are still pretty limited.
871  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: obsolete bitcoin investment advices [change needed] on: May 20, 2023, 11:23:59 PM
1. Invest in Bitcoin with your spare money:
I can say that this advice is not necessary in today's bitcoin world. This advice was only relevant like a decade ago when bitcoin was been seen with alot of skepticism. Some saw bitcoin as  gambling, some saw it as a ponze scheme while others saw it as a bubble the will burst.
Have you forgotten that we do have bear markets that last a while?

Investing with spare money means in case of a bear market, one won't be forced to sell of there bitcoins at a lower market price just because they have to cover other expenses. Same applies to one investing what they can afford to lose. Nothing is obsolete
Certainly, the first point is solid advice: you shouldn't invest, not only in Bitcoin but in general, if you don't have the budget to do so. Investing shouldn't put you under financial strain. If you can't afford it, you're better off not taking a risk you can't afford.

The second point is kind of pointless to be bonest, at least that's how I see it. Any amount of money lost would stink, large or small. A loss is a loss. I can afford to lose $2,000, for instance, but that doesn't mean that I wouldn't be mad or disappointed. Moreover, even if we're talking about Bitcoin, gains are still not guaranteed.
872  Economy / Economics / Re: When will we stop living for the weekend? Escaping the 9-5 life. on: May 20, 2023, 09:27:02 PM
That's life, sometimes things don't go the way we expect but there is no choice to be able to accept it because on average everyone does the same thing working 5 days a week and 2 days off and some even only have 1 day off. And I think that's normal because most are like that and will get used to situations like that and it all depends on how they manage their homework and vacation during the 2-day vacation and also plan holidays when there is a red date.
and i enjoy the state i think the same as you and most importantly after 8 hours of work i still have 16 hours of rest and also with my family and for the next 10 or 20 years i just want to have a business and be boss with some workers and one- my only hope is to make a profit from bitcoin which i do in the long term. And with that I can enjoy life with other things with my family.
I understand your point; the majority of us will go through this lifestyle for the rest of our lives. Personally, I've always had one day off per week, and it wasn't enough. I can't imagine spending the rest of my life with so little time off. Moreover, you don't have 16 hours of free time like you mentioned; add another 8 hours of sleep, eating, and commuting to work and back, and you'll end up with less than 6 hours of free time available on a daily basis. Personally, this isn't enough for me, and I'm going to attempt to find a way to avoid living the rest of my life so limited.
Nothing comes for free in this life and we will only reap what we sow, these two words have a very big meaning, there must be a price to be paid for everything, and remember, too much of everything is bad.

If you sleep all day, eat and sleep, you will get obsessed and it's unhealthy, heart disease can follow.

If you eat too much sugar you will get diabetes.

Ups and downs will always be the way of live, I would rather work 6 days a week to have a balanced life than sit my ass down doing nothing and having all the money I needed, working, moving from one place to another is far more healthy and using all your days to relax.
My point is that there should be a better work to life balance, not to be lazy and have everything ready for yourself. Life should be more than just surviving on the bare minimums.
Some people like this, some does it to survive, or others do it because they have no other options. Depending on your need, this could feel like hell or heaven. Also, there's a term that says, you need money in order to make more money. Many choose these 9–5 jobs so that they can save enough money in order to start a business on their own. So if you have a plan and enough asset to start something like that, you can decide to quit your job. But for me, the competition is so high. So grab any opportunity you can get. Have something as your backup and then move onto something new if that involves risks.

Definitely, as someone who only had one day off, I'd be quite satisfied having every weekend off. However, I don't think I'd be happy doing it for the rest of my life.
873  Economy / Economics / When will we stop living for the weekend? Escaping the 9-5 life. on: May 20, 2023, 04:08:29 PM
Time passes, and we have nothing to look forward to. We watch our lives pass, and the only thing we're looking forward to is the weekend or 20 days per year of paid time off. We're working a whole year, from 9 to 5 and sometimes even more, at someone else's business just to have an approximate of 20 days of vacation and two days off per week, with many of us having one or even none per week. Is it just me, or does this life sound completely depressing to me? Our ambitions are completely crushed by such a daily routine; our days off are mostly to get things done around the house and to rest. By the time that happens, the day has passed, and we have to go to work again.

At least where I'm at, having two days off per week is considered extremely lucky and privileged, especially if it's two days in a row. Personally, I only had one day off per week, and it honestly wasn't enough. On the one hand, I wanted to get things done around the house and rest, but on the other hand, I didn't want to stay inside doing practically nothing to enjoy myself. Thus, the single day off wasn't even close to being enough. Certainly, I'd be better off with two consecutive days off, but still, is that how you want your life to be for the next 10–20 years, or even more?

On the one hand, I don't want to complain; through the last few years of working, I've been on vacation four times, from 2020 to 2022, which isn't bad at all. On the other hand, I'd like to constantly travel and explore new destinations, the majority of which we'll never experience through this way of life.

Do you believe that there's a true way to escape this vicious cycle, or are we doomed to live like this forever? Telling me that my minor savings in Bitcoin are going to settle me for the rest of my life isn't going to cut it, because the majority of us won't ever have enough Bitcoin to retire.

Are you satisfied with this way of life, or would you prefer to live a different way? What would you like to change and how? Personally, I'm clueless and not satisfied with the idea of spending the rest of my life like this.
874  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why so many mixers all of a sudden? on: May 20, 2023, 01:29:51 PM
Perhaps the correct question is why so many mixers are  started signature campaigns here, and the reason for this is the increase in the number of users who are beginning to care about privacy, especially since solutions such as coinjoin are questionable in their ability to hide identity.

Wasabi Wallet’s CoinJoin Coordinator to Blacklist Certain Bitcoin Transactions

This news was in the year 2022, and here, many users are using mixing services, and with the absence of a ChipMixer, this market has become in need of many alternatives, which are now limited to less than 6 mixing services, while in the past there were many.


That's correct; most of these mixers have been on the market for quite a few years but weren't advertised enough, due to the large user base of ChipMixer, the majority of them were overshadowed. They've now all recently started their own through signature campaigns, and their presence on the forum makes it much more prevalent now. That also shows the power signature campaigns have, which we often forget because some of us take them for granted. With ChipMixer gone, other platforms took advantage of the void in the market and took action to promote themselves to the public.

It's actually surprising that we often overlook how powerful signature campaigns are, but the truth is that if it weren't for them, we wouldn't acknowledge any of these services or platforms now.
875  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Getting around KYC on: May 19, 2023, 05:11:18 PM
Localcryptos have also closed down their services. Another two options are Bisq and Binance P2P. I don't think they offer cash transactions though. But please note that these kind of transactions are quite risky.

There is another website called Noones which is a copied version of paxful. It's very new so not recommended either. The only feasible way I found is through Bitrefil. Where I am purchasing Amazon vouchers or redeemable codes from other eCommerce websites. That won't give you cash but at least you can utilise your cryptos.
No, they don't. I also posted a similar thread a while ago, trying to find out if there are any alternatives to avoiding the usual way of going through banking services in order to exchange for fiat. Unfortunately, the only options I see as possible are P2P transactions in person, which doesn't sound like a very safe option and, if used, are only advised for small amounts of money, and cryptocurrency ATMs, which usually charge high fees and some of which even require KYC.

Thus, unfortunately, going through exchanges is almost a must, and personally, when the time comes, I will withdraw small portions, and for the rest, I might consider an ATM or a P2P transaction.
876  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin retirement benefits on: May 19, 2023, 03:52:52 PM
This can mostly apply to almost any other investment that you think will appreciate — it's not really exclusive to bitcoin alone. But I get your point.

There is one point the OP mentioned which is almost exclusive to Bitcoin and really
counts on its decentralised nature and that is the transfer of it from one person to
another without the receiver having to incur taxes.


5. When you WILLS or share your bitcoin to your children nobody will hear it


In my country inheritance over €16,000 can be taxed at 33%, the transfer or inheritance
of Bitcoin sidesteps this tax.
Bitcoin and investing are both great, but what the OP claimed isn't entirely true. Bitcoin is far from a retirement fund, unless you bought it from 2011 to 2016, which is quite unlikely. Apart from that, even if we suppose that you'd like to withdraw your coins, they'd have to go through an exchange, and if we're talking about a large amount of money, it may not be that simple. So yes, while you have 100% access to your money, exchanging it into fiat and withdrawing it isn't an option readily available. And the most important of all, you're not guaranteed to make money. I've been here since 2014 and have managed to earn a decent sum of money, but it's unlikely that it would ever be enough to retire even if Bitcoin's value exploded.
877  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Only 89 days left for Litecoin Halving event! on: May 18, 2023, 08:30:43 PM
I began to forget that altcoins work similarly to Bitcoin and that it has a halving. even Bitcoin Halving needed about a year to have a clear effect, and therefore we will not notice a change in the price at the present time.

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Returning to this chart, it seems that the effect needs more than a year, but it is related to the upward movement of the bitcoin, and the bet is that the halving for one unit is sufficient to cause a change in the price that is not supported by historical evidence.

Technical developments will make a bigger difference, as they will increase demand in a short period of time and expedite the effect of the decrease in supply.
Don't forget that Litecoin is the second altcoin ever created, the first being Namecoin, which forked from Bitcoin, meaning that they're quite similar. Anyway, the halving won't make Litecoin explode, that's for sure; however, it's notable to mention that despite the current bear market, Litecoin has been performing great. Its price has been on an upward trend for quite a few months now, moving slowly and steadily. It may no longer be the third cryptocurrency on CMC, but it's definitely an honorable mention, worthwhile, and trusted, as it is almost as old as Bitcoin.
878  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I believe that Bitcoin will make me independent on: May 18, 2023, 01:08:12 PM
Hello Jury, I wish you speedy recovery and you're doing a great job if you've been doing that monthly. Other people can't even dedicate their time on Bitcoin knowing that they've got no problem to deal with. But unlike you, you're doing it correctly. You're DCAing and that's how everyone shouldn't make excuses because if you're doing something such as this and you're able to consistently doing it for several months, then it means that you're totally committed on it. Don't worry, all of our efforts and investment through Bitcoin is worth it. Are you projecting and trying to play calculation on how much gain you should have in the nearest future based on the amount you're investing in?
He's doing his best out there to build a future for himself and, most likely, to take on the obligation of providing financial assistance to his family. It takes a long time to see such amount of energy from a disabled person trying so hard to be consistent in the market, and we sit down and give up so easy because of one or two losses. His story is not a made-up one, because I can feel his anxiety and have mentally drawn out his situation. One thing I can advise him is that he should never give up, and that bitcoin is worth the struggle and ambition he is pursuing.
Whether this story is true or not is irrelevant because there's no way to prove otherwise. The OP is unfortunately in a troubled situation, and it's positive that he's still trying his best to invest in Bitcoin; despite it being a minor amount of money, it's still something. Others, on better occasions, are unable to even save a penny each. Certainly, I have to disappoint him because the chances of him becoming completely independent from his investment are quite small, unless he's living in a third-world country, but even then, it won't be enough. However, in a few years he'll have a decent sum of money saved up, which by then will have flourished, especially after the upcoming halving.
879  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What will happen to a wallet when the wallet company closes on: May 17, 2023, 05:40:23 PM
Nice question. Mt.Gox, A leading Exchange that went bankrupt in 2014 is one of them. Well, it is highly recommended to always use a reputable, well-established, recommended wallet that regularly backs up private keys or recovery phrases to mitigate the crucial risks caused by company shutdowns as mentioned by @sheenshane and I think it is very easy to understand where this is going .
Mt.Gox is an exchange, not a wallet service, but the point is the same. Any platform or service that doesn't provide you with your private keys is vulnerable and may be subject to loss of capital. I've never used an exchange that has shut down in the past, but I had an account on a wallet service that got reformed and then refused to restore my account, which had my old phone number for authentication. It took me weeks to finally recover my account after requesting a ton of KYC and then proceeding to immediately block my account with my first login. I even had the address associated with the account showing a balance of almost 0.01 BTC, if I remember correctly, which was lost for good. The only online service that provided you with the private keys was BitGo.

To summarize, use a noncustodial wallet, save your seed phrase and private keys somewhere safe, and avoid online services whenever possible.
880  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Which wallet should a beginner choose? on: May 17, 2023, 04:04:22 PM
I decided to buy a wallet and try to make money on the crypt. Which one to choose, is there at a price of more than $ 200 is there less, what to pay attention to? It is for a beginner, I don't want to lose a lot of money if something doesn't work out.
Buy passport. It is the best hardware wallet that I see now.

Trezor is my best before if you know about adding passphrase to your wallet while creating a wallet with it. Because without the passphrase, Trezor is not safe if stolen. An attack can be done if a thief stole the hardware wallet.  Adding passhrase will let that not to happen. I like Trezor before the introduction of coinjoin with the help of wasabi wallet.

Bitbox02 is perfect except that it supports AOPP which many people do not like. It is only applicable to those in their country Switzerland, but it can be like a virus that can spread to other countries, people do not like Bitbox02 for that reason. But it is a very secure wallet that can be used.

Ledger or Trezor.
You have to exclude Ledger because it is one of the worst wallets that you can buy right now.  If you want to know why, you can read this two topics:

@theymos - Time to update the current Ledger situaion @ Important Announcements?
Ledger Recovery - Send your (encrypted) recovery phrase to 3rd parties entities

Read the second topic which is the most important and can be seen on the first topic. Ledger is becoming stupider day by day.
Thank you for sharing. I had no idea that Ledger wasn't as safe as it was thought to be. I'm also planning to purchase a hardware wallet soon and was considering one of the two major brands. I would have bought one, but I'm currently away from home. Trezor is currently running a promotion for 15% off; the basic version starts at €58, which is nothing compared to the safety of your funds. Desktop wallets are generally safe, but the environment is usually the issue because of possible threats such as malware or keyloggers; thus, a hardware wallet is an ideal way to protect your funds without too much hassle.
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