I understand why people want to take away Josh's coins and end the staking, but can't you see how that will kill the coin? If you can do that to him, or change something so fundamental (remember, the only reason most people have these coins is because they thought they would make money via staking) why would anyone invest in the coin when it can be taken away from them or something else can be changed?
It sucks that these people got conned, it's nice that people want to help, but it happened. Don't waste your/their time and energy on something that won't work.
There is also the issue of determining exactly which coins belong to Josh and or GAW, and then how do you prove, and I mean PROVE, that coins belong to someone else? It would be a simple matter to fake identities and move coins through exchanges and such, I will not list what I think would be best and easiest ways, but I am sure that some ( HUGE) amount of this has already been going on. Then there is the issue of whether or not the gang of criminals that helped create Paycoin and run this scam are now "Not Josh". I for one do not buy that part at all. I think all or most of them are still just Josh's stooges. The best way I see for Josh to get his due is to let Paycoin go where it is already heading. Salvaging it for him would at the very least be a public image victory, and most likely a huge financial win as well. Fuck that asshole Hashking, Fuck GAW, and Fuck Paycoin. (been catching up on Game of Thrones- saw the Blackwater Siege episode last night)  |
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I already explained several points of why the things you suggest as a fix for Paycoin are absurd, and in my opinion probably illegal as well. They are also detrimental to crypto, particularly the part about destroying trust that coins are a stable and honest form of currency. If a group of people can decide to eliminate the coins of other holders of a coin, that is the worst possible thing you can do to foster trust, which is cyptos weak point already.
IF this was any normal crypto I would agree with you, but the fact that a company "owns" it is the entire reason I would even suggest this. Cryptos are for the people (beyond the stupid catchphrase they use "The people's money", and I firmly believe this. BUT.......I do understand where you are coming from. And again I do agree with your sentiments if this were any other normal crypto coin. But it is not, and has some "special circumstances" surrounding it. Any changes that I suggested were to get GAW out of the picture (the easiest way possible without crossing that line you mentioned earlier about who decides which coins to burn, because that can be very difficult to track and determine) and help those who actually hold Paycoin. Here is the issue, we have a community of folks that regardless of what you or anyone else thinks is still part of the larger crypto community. I also believe that a lot of these folks are first time crypto users and this is their first experience. Sure, its easy to sit back and say "let them burn in hell for their stupidity", but stepping back and looking at the larger picture here that causes some issues. Mary just got scammed by GAW via paycoin and its community, and this is Mary's first time crypto experience. She was interested in it for both monetary reasons and non monetary reasons (maybe she hates the FED and really understands how much a dollar is really worth). But now her experience has left a bad taste in her mouth. Mary also has a friend Jake at work who is interested in Bitcoin. Mary explains to Jake what had happened to her, and the poor experiences she had with cryptos. All of a sudden, her story resonates with him and he not only decides not to get into it, but actively tells others not to get involved as well. Now compound that with a few thousand people (I'm just throwing darts here at a number, but its not unreasonable). This is why I do what I do. I can give two shits less about the coin itself, im more concerned with the community. Even if these people ultimately decide its not worth it they can still join one of the many other communities within cryptos and become contributors to help spread education and awareness. Hell most of the people who own paycoin arent even on GAW forums anymore, they are over in other mediums. First, prove to me that GAW owns Paycoin. Tell me how much, and where it is stored and why you believe it belongs to them, and then explain why taking property from a corporation is different than taking it from an individual. Secondly, explain why you think it is ok to take property away from either GAW or Josh Garza. What is the EXACT criteria by which you conclude that it is fair, just and legal, to take property from someone else. You either respect property rights or you don't. The fact of the matter is that Crypto currency is legally considered property, and neither you or the group of fucking criminals that you suggest should be able to pull off this fix (scam), have the right to take property from anyone else. It is that simple. The minute that a company is able to produce money out of thin air and assign themselves that money is the moment where I believe its fair to take it away from them. Especially since they can continue printing money out of thin air. The FED is a private institution and has done this for decades, so do you believe that is fair of them? This is literally the EXACT reason why cryptos was created! To get away from this BS. Lets agree to disagree and be done with it. Obviously we aren't going to agree to each others for a lack of a better term morals (maybe ideas? I'm having difficulty trying to place a word here). I think at this point we are arguing philosophy more than anything else, which is fine, but if you want to lets just state that up front. I would argue that the reverse is true as well: When a group or company is able to eliminate the money held by others , you have the same situation. Your position is hypocritical, illogical and morally indefensible. I dont understand your logic. Jonny Q public buys shares in a company and gets scammed. Jonny Q public has the ability to take over said company and potentially turn profits around for themselves, outside of said company. The company being Paycoin. How can you say this is illogical or morally indefensible? What in the world are you talking about? Paycoin is NOT a company, it is a cryptocurrency, and the coins are not shares. This is the absurd non-sense that the spiderman unperpants clad clowns on Hashtalk think. You stated that GAW owns Paycoin, and I asked you to prove this and you flat out refused to even try. Some debater. I do not personally see any legal difference in taking someone else's property, regardless of whether that entity is a person or corporation, and the law agrees. In reality, corporations have stronger legal ownership rights than individuals here in the USA. Even if Paycoin were a company, shareholders do not have the legal or moral right to hold a majority shareholder meeting and vote to eliminate the other 49% of shares. If that were the case, shareholders would do this over and over until just one person owned all of the shares- the idea is completely absurd. The people who bought into Paycoin and got scammed got scammed. It happened. It is a travesty. You pretending to have the power of court, judge, and jury will not change this. Again, your position is hypocritical, illogical, and morally indefensible. I just saw this additional reply from Crestington to this same debate, so I will add my reply here to try to reduce the Wall-O-Text that is developing. So you are saying that a company has never outed it's CEO for the things they've done and money they've cost the company?
It can be viewed as being received through illegitimate means since the money came from uncle stu to make the appearance of a floor and the $20 floor and compensation etc. only really served to increase the floor that could be sold into. What is the compensation for creating a Cryptocurrency out of thin air, seems like a few million to me so if none of Josh's funds were used to buy those Coins and no money used to back the assets and everything sold into the market then it should be just fine if the community should want to eliminate the liability. Do you think that Josh is suddenly going to do a 180 and get all legit after a year of scamming literally everyone he came across? The moment things get comfy it's going to be back to old scam muggler. Josh having the Coins will always put a negative hold over the Coin no matter what and it's very likely he would end up using existing investor funds to pay off all his pre-existing debt (which was the reason it was made). Even if Josh does go to Jail, it still means that those Coins are accumulating interest and can later on be sold and will hurt all new investors.
You said before that Cryptsy should delist, that would hurt everyone and Josh. There is also no way that people won't set any buy orders since if it's on the exchange then people would set orders. If PayCoin holders want to see any increase in the value of their Coin, they should want this to happen. If you wanted to meet halfway, you could always just take away the ability for his increased Stake percentage and let him keep the Coins (although I think he gave up that right with the $20 floor)
So you are saying that a company has never outed it's CEO for the things they've done and money they've cost the company? No, I did not say that. We are not talking about a company here, we are talking about a crypto currency called Paycoin. It can be viewed as being received through illegitimate means since the money came from uncle stu to make the appearance of a floor and the $20 floor and compensation etc. only really served to increase the floor that could be sold into. Paycoin was created. It is what it is. People have various amounts in their wallets. It is legal property. If fraud was perpetrated by GAW (And I do believe it was), this does not suddenly make it legal to take someone elses property because you have decided that you think someone else did something wrong. If there was wrongdoing, that is for a court to decide, not some self proclaimed crypto do gooder or the gang of criminals (ALL associated with the same criminal from whom you and Mage say it is ok to steal from, no less) who you and Mage say should take property from other people. If a court orders property to be seized from either GAW or Josh, that is legal. A group of people deciding they will do that is criminal. Fact. There is simply no way around this fact. I do not recall saying that Cryptsy should delist Paycoin. Maybe I did, maybe I didn't, but at any rate I do not see the relevance to this discussion about whether it is legal and moral to decide that it is ok to take someone else's property. |
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I already explained several points of why the things you suggest as a fix for Paycoin are absurd, and in my opinion probably illegal as well. They are also detrimental to crypto, particularly the part about destroying trust that coins are a stable and honest form of currency. If a group of people can decide to eliminate the coins of other holders of a coin, that is the worst possible thing you can do to foster trust, which is cyptos weak point already.
IF this was any normal crypto I would agree with you, but the fact that a company "owns" it is the entire reason I would even suggest this. Cryptos are for the people (beyond the stupid catchphrase they use "The people's money", and I firmly believe this. BUT.......I do understand where you are coming from. And again I do agree with your sentiments if this were any other normal crypto coin. But it is not, and has some "special circumstances" surrounding it. Any changes that I suggested were to get GAW out of the picture (the easiest way possible without crossing that line you mentioned earlier about who decides which coins to burn, because that can be very difficult to track and determine) and help those who actually hold Paycoin. Here is the issue, we have a community of folks that regardless of what you or anyone else thinks is still part of the larger crypto community. I also believe that a lot of these folks are first time crypto users and this is their first experience. Sure, its easy to sit back and say "let them burn in hell for their stupidity", but stepping back and looking at the larger picture here that causes some issues. Mary just got scammed by GAW via paycoin and its community, and this is Mary's first time crypto experience. She was interested in it for both monetary reasons and non monetary reasons (maybe she hates the FED and really understands how much a dollar is really worth). But now her experience has left a bad taste in her mouth. Mary also has a friend Jake at work who is interested in Bitcoin. Mary explains to Jake what had happened to her, and the poor experiences she had with cryptos. All of a sudden, her story resonates with him and he not only decides not to get into it, but actively tells others not to get involved as well. Now compound that with a few thousand people (I'm just throwing darts here at a number, but its not unreasonable). This is why I do what I do. I can give two shits less about the coin itself, im more concerned with the community. Even if these people ultimately decide its not worth it they can still join one of the many other communities within cryptos and become contributors to help spread education and awareness. Hell most of the people who own paycoin arent even on GAW forums anymore, they are over in other mediums. First, prove to me that GAW owns Paycoin. Tell me how much, and where it is stored and why you believe it belongs to them, and then explain why taking property from a corporation is different than taking it from an individual. Secondly, explain why you think it is ok to take property away from either GAW or Josh Garza. What is the EXACT criteria by which you conclude that it is fair, just and legal, to take property from someone else. You either respect property rights or you don't. The fact of the matter is that Crypto currency is legally considered property, and neither you or the group of fucking criminals that you suggest should be able to pull off this fix (scam), have the right to take property from anyone else. It is that simple. The minute that a company is able to produce money out of thin air and assign themselves that money is the moment where I believe its fair to take it away from them. Especially since they can continue printing money out of thin air. The FED is a private institution and has done this for decades, so do you believe that is fair of them? This is literally the EXACT reason why cryptos was created! To get away from this BS. Lets agree to disagree and be done with it. Obviously we aren't going to agree to each others for a lack of a better term morals (maybe ideas? I'm having difficulty trying to place a word here). I think at this point we are arguing philosophy more than anything else, which is fine, but if you want to lets just state that up front. I would argue that the reverse is true as well: When a group or company is able to eliminate the money held by others , you have the same situation. Your position is hypocritical, illogical and morally indefensible. |
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I already explained several points of why the things you suggest as a fix for Paycoin are absurd, and in my opinion probably illegal as well. They are also detrimental to crypto, particularly the part about destroying trust that coins are a stable and honest form of currency. If a group of people can decide to eliminate the coins of other holders of a coin, that is the worst possible thing you can do to foster trust, which is cyptos weak point already.
IF this was any normal crypto I would agree with you, but the fact that a company "owns" it is the entire reason I would even suggest this. Cryptos are for the people (beyond the stupid catchphrase they use "The people's money", and I firmly believe this. BUT.......I do understand where you are coming from. And again I do agree with your sentiments if this were any other normal crypto coin. But it is not, and has some "special circumstances" surrounding it. Any changes that I suggested were to get GAW out of the picture (the easiest way possible without crossing that line you mentioned earlier about who decides which coins to burn, because that can be very difficult to track and determine) and help those who actually hold Paycoin. Here is the issue, we have a community of folks that regardless of what you or anyone else thinks is still part of the larger crypto community. I also believe that a lot of these folks are first time crypto users and this is their first experience. Sure, its easy to sit back and say "let them burn in hell for their stupidity", but stepping back and looking at the larger picture here that causes some issues. Mary just got scammed by GAW via paycoin and its community, and this is Mary's first time crypto experience. She was interested in it for both monetary reasons and non monetary reasons (maybe she hates the FED and really understands how much a dollar is really worth). But now her experience has left a bad taste in her mouth. Mary also has a friend Jake at work who is interested in Bitcoin. Mary explains to Jake what had happened to her, and the poor experiences she had with cryptos. All of a sudden, her story resonates with him and he not only decides not to get into it, but actively tells others not to get involved as well. Now compound that with a few thousand people (I'm just throwing darts here at a number, but its not unreasonable). This is why I do what I do. I can give two shits less about the coin itself, im more concerned with the community. Even if these people ultimately decide its not worth it they can still join one of the many other communities within cryptos and become contributors to help spread education and awareness. Hell most of the people who own paycoin arent even on GAW forums anymore, they are over in other mediums. First, prove to me that GAW owns Paycoin. Tell me how much, and where it is stored and why you believe it belongs to them, and then explain why taking property from a corporation is different than taking it from an individual. Secondly, explain why you think it is ok to take property away from either GAW or Josh Garza. What is the EXACT criteria by which you conclude that it is fair, just and legal, to take property from someone else. You either respect property rights or you don't. The fact of the matter is that Crypto currency is legally considered property, and neither you or the group of fucking criminals that you suggest should be able to pull off this fix (scam), have the right to take property from anyone else. It is that simple. |
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A bit of humor here where the scumbags thought that Suchmoon might be the "woman" Stacey Tenen (Rootdude):   Something else that is proven by these Emails is that Luke Rusten is not the nice innocent guy everyone seems to believe. He is actively and gleefully trying to hunt down a customer (Suchmoon) so that he can be criminally harassed, or worse. Fuck him, he is as big of a piece of trash as the rest of those criminals. You seriously never go outside do you? Really the amount of time you spend here is well passed obsessive. The amount of post and hours of the day are pretty much almost 24/7. Its down right just pathetic at this point. Seriously, Go outside See the Sun. Meet a Girl, Something but for fuck sake Get a Life, 24/7 on the pc cant be good for your health. I worried about you! Toodles. Look forward to my picture  Hows that laptop doing you got for shilling from Josh Coinstand? What was that about me being better then you at the internet & gaining something from spending 1/16th of the time you do online? Ohh your got it wrong. It was 1x Laptop 2x Xbox Ones 1 Amd CPU 1 Touchscreen monitor 2x Xbox One controlers 1 Air Mouse Yup, Was more then 1k in stuff since I gave them honesty about what i actually received then still pushed my extra orders through. Total cost to me... About $37.00 Wait nvm Free because I ROI'd 3 months before coinstand existed. Now lets focus on my Ponzi that is now 100% Paid & how im going to jail.... That was a fun game! That is a lot of gifts to declare on your tax return. Or are you going to claim it as income, which is probably more accurate? They were purchases.... You already know this from my post on HT where it shows my order list. Sorry to disappoint. PS, I get a hefty tax return every year. Probably because I use Line 6 on my W4 and give a extra $40.00 every week to the man...... Just in case! I'm slightly more intelligent then you give me credit for. But only slightly! When i think of intelligent the first thing I think of is giving the government an extra $40 interest free loan every week. That's what all the smart people do. I actually anticipated this comment about giving the interest free loan to the government. That's why I added "but only slightly" Alternatively I've never had to pay even when my work messed up and had me claiming 5 dependents every week. Peace of mind is well worth the 37.00 (if that) i would have gained in interest. IMO I guess Im just a Patriot LOL. Incorrect. You have received items of value. There are several ways in which you can deal with this, depending on how it came about. First, you could claim capital gains on the difference between what you paid for the XPY and what you were credited for them at this purchase. Second, you could claim the items as a gift. Third, you could claim that the items were income for services rendered to Homero. There may be other ways of claiming this income as well, but I have no doubt that you do actually have to claim it one way or another, which I am sure you are ok with, seeing as how you are such a patriot and such. |
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I already explained several points of why the things you suggest as a fix for Paycoin are absurd, and in my opinion probably illegal as well. They are also detrimental to crypto, particularly the part about destroying trust that coins are a stable and honest form of currency. If a group of people can decide to eliminate the coins of other holders of a coin, that is the worst possible thing you can do to foster trust, which is cyptos weak point already.
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I do not care about the semantics games you want to play. You are suggesting something that makes no sense unless you have some monetary interest in doing so. That is all I need to know.
Monetary interest? Are you are Josh's payroll now too? I have zero interest in getting paid to help, I really don't care what is done with the suggestions I make. You are the one making a mountain out of a molehill for whatever reason (I mean aside at this point of just trolling me which is fairly obvious). You insist that you wish to "fix" Paycoin out of the goodness of your heart and say that it has nothing to do with money. My father told me long ago "If someone tells you something is "not about the money", you can bet your ass it's about the money". This has proven to to be sage advice. Now you are starting to sound exactly like the paid GAW shills being exposed in these pages, accusing me of being what you most likely are. Yes, thats exactly what I am saying. Whats wrong with helping people? Has it occurred to you that not everyone is motivated by money? I do not get paid a penny for any of the work I do with Litecoin or anything else. Nor do really own any crypto at this point (not that I had much to begin with). I had some wrapped up in an investment that looks to be turning into a scam and the last bit I had I donated to Seansoutpost. I know its really hard to believe, but money is not a motivational factor for everyone. Some of us have a passion for what we do and love doing it. If you dont believe me, feel free to ask people who really do know me if I am the type thats is financially motivated. Here is what I know: A: You have a deep knowledge of crypto and have been intimately involved with it for a long time, particularly Litecoin. B: The suggestions you have for "fixing" Paycoin are completely absurd and will without a doubt inflict massive damage to crypto, which is what you claim to be trying to prevent. C: You say that you have no monetary interest in "fixing" Paycoin. Those three things do not add up, plain and simple. I think you are trying to play me for a fool by saying that they do. |
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A bit of humor here where the scumbags thought that Suchmoon might be the "woman" Stacey Tenen (Rootdude): Something else that is proven by these Emails is that Luke Rusten is not the nice innocent guy everyone seems to believe. He is actively and gleefully trying to hunt down a customer (Suchmoon) so that he can be criminally harassed, or worse. Fuck him, he is as big of a piece of trash as the rest of those criminals. You seriously never go outside do you? Really the amount of time you spend here is well passed obsessive. The amount of post and hours of the day are pretty much almost 24/7. Its down right just pathetic at this point. Seriously, Go outside See the Sun. Meet a Girl, Something but for fuck sake Get a Life, 24/7 on the pc cant be good for your health. I worried about you! Toodles. Look forward to my picture Hows that laptop doing you got for shilling from Josh Coinstand? What was that about me being better then you at the internet & gaining something from spending 1/16th of the time you do online? Ohh your got it wrong. It was 1x Laptop 2x Xbox Ones 1 Amd CPU 1 Touchscreen monitor 2x Xbox One controlers 1 Air Mouse Yup, Was more then 1k in stuff since I gave them honesty about what i actually received then still pushed my extra orders through. Total cost to me... About $37.00 Wait nvm Free because I ROI'd 3 months before coinstand existed. Now lets focus on my Ponzi that is now 100% Paid & how im going to jail.... That was a fun game! That is a lot of gifts to declare on your tax return. Or are you going to claim it as income, which is probably more accurate? |
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I do not care about the semantics games you want to play. You are suggesting something that makes no sense unless you have some monetary interest in doing so. That is all I need to know.
Monetary interest? Are you are Josh's payroll now too? I have zero interest in getting paid to help, I really don't care what is done with the suggestions I make. You are the one making a mountain out of a molehill for whatever reason (I mean aside at this point of just trolling me which is fairly obvious). You insist that you wish to "fix" Paycoin out of the goodness of your heart and say that it has nothing to do with money. My father told me long ago "If someone tells you something is "not about the money", you can bet your ass it's about the money". This has proven to to be sage advice. Now you are starting to sound exactly like the paid GAW shills being exposed in these pages, accusing me of being what you most likely are. |
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HG: If I go out and meet girls, do you think I should tell my wife?
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Dammit you guys need to stop posting so much while im at work! On your last statement, I dont see my hand being stuck in a bucket of shit. I'm offering suggestions like many others have in this thread. I personally havent acted on anything and am not spending anymore time other than writing a bit on it.
Well I don't know about other people, but I have lost significant respect for your authority as I have seen your views unfold on this debacle. I hold litecoin and viewed you as one of the pillars of the crypto community. That is no longer true. (I guess this is the point where you call me a troll again!) You know whats funny, I heard the same exact stuff when I helped out Dogecoin. But im still around and kicking! And you've always been a troll /u/karljt but that doesn't mean I love you any less  Okay... so... from an IRS perspective... how does a guy carrying only $13k in a bank account end of 2013 also carry $230k in note on a property + one or two exotic cars +  Can't imagine how that was even close to legit. If it was, he needs to quit screwing around with this crypto currency and sell budgeting advice. He may have suckered enough folks to pay for the $75k planes, $2k/night hotels, $2k/day car rentals, $160k 'gift' from Elon... and have an extension in for this year... but... wow... this guy really is a total scum bag. I hope if the IRS takes note, they go back 7 years in his history just for the fun of it. It is very possible he hid his assets in GAW so it wouldnt be him but the company that would pay for stuff. I see some apples and oranges mixups going on with the discussion about proposals to seize Josh's Paycoins. The bit where Josh posted the hardly intelligible rambling about stealing tv's had to do with the coins he said were stolen from him. What Mage is suggesting be done is to seize Paycoins that were created as part of Paycoin and have been Josh's property ever since. You either respect property rights or you don't. Whatever you think of Josh personally he owns millions of Paycoins- he did not steal them. If people are stupid enough to buy into a crypto coin where one guy owns damned near all of them that is their choice. Josh dumping the coins into markets is also probably not actually illegal- it is just a breach of trust on his part because he said he would not do that. Unethical and underhanded, but probably not actually illegal. What exactly would be the "charge" laid against Josh to justify seizing his coins and destroying them? If I were him and it happened to me I would sue, seriously. There are lots of crimes involved in this whole fraud scheme, but Josh creating millions of Paycoins and putting them in his own wallet is not one of them. Then, on top of that, if there really were such a seize&burn action against Josh- how does anybody know if he was not actually the one behind it? Letting a few million Paycoins get burned would make him look like a victim, AND perhaps remove some of the shit stain of Josh from Paycoin- but who knows how many coins he protected from being seized? Letting a shitload of XPY get burned so that the other millions he has hidden are worth way more would be a HUGE fucking win for Josh. The plan to seize and burn Josh's coins is so ill thought out and illogical there are giant holes in it wherever you look. If you want to get back at Josh, let Paycoin dive into the Satoshi price level. Don't salvage the fucking coin for him for fuck's sake- cmon- you think he doesn't want that?
The apples and oranges was when I suggested to removed the prime controllers and you jumped on my ass like a wild orangutan about burning coins specifically (which is primarily not what I suggested, but I did suggest to burn the coins within the PC's). You were the one who drug the entire "burn all the coins!" confusion in here. However you asked how it could have been done and I laid out a few examples. What I may not know and I guess I still dont is if those PC's contain customer funds or are they isolated. However, find me one person not intimately involved in this scheme that owns a PC (because I doubt there is one). And FYI, Vericoin forked their entire network when Mintpal was hacked in order to reverse/blacklist the coins that were stolen. This was of course before moolah bought them and turned it into a ginormous cluster eff. At this point its just best we drop this discussion because we are obviously missing each others points here. Hell I was one of if not the most well known individual to call this out months ago. the only thing you can be upset with me is just being a nice guy for wanting to help. I do not care about the semantics games you want to play. You are suggesting something that makes no sense unless you have some monetary interest in doing so. That is all I need to know. |
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Is BTClend beloning to Garza or is it a private owned LLC
It is owned by Cmilian (Carmelo Milian- in Spain I think) , but he was backed by Garza from it's inception. Now BTClend magically has access to a couple of Prime Controllers to prop up the recently acquired XPYstaker business (Who paid??), which appears to be a Ponzi scam with a twist. Without Gara BTClend would not exist, and anybody who has been following this dirtbag knows that he never does anything unless he gets a piece of it. |
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A bit of humor here where the scumbags thought that Suchmoon might be the "woman" Stacey Tenen (Rootdude): Something else that is proven by these Emails is that Luke Rusten is not the nice innocent guy everyone seems to believe. He is actively and gleefully trying to hunt down a customer (Suchmoon) so that he can be criminally harassed, or worse. Fuck him, he is as big of a piece of trash as the rest of those criminals. |
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Yeah the mods here helped homero a lot but backed off recently
and everyone thought Theymos was a hero for telling Garza's lawyer to take a hike. WHat would be brave would be clean house of the mods here who helped Garza achieve success for long enough to earn the money to send lawyers after Theymos. Talk about reaping what you sow. I doubt that mods really took sides here. Yes, some posts were removed. dekay, bitpop, but also favelle, coldspirit, and other "visitors". There might be some misunderstandings (I even had my own posts removed from this thread and still don't get why), but I don't think there was any particular help for Garza. not in this thread anyway. Thank you. I have had less posts removed from here as of late. I seemed to have a run on them at one point. So it was the GAWNAZIs...figures! Well I got at least one guy tossed for his bullshit so I get some satisfaction in that. Just noticed that Evil Panda's footer looks like they're working for new crew now... Plot twist: Garza, like all primates with money, has moved on to casino ownership.
This is not to imply that all casino owners are primates with money.Josh/GAW setting up XPYpoker:  Eariler today "PaycoinPoker" was brought up, and that is actually not the one GAW started. GAW/Josh ran (run?) XPYpoker. |
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bitgeek is one of Evil Panda's personal sock puppet accounts, according to him. I nailed this one:  Original post that bitgeek/EvilPanda quoted from. He was actually telling the truth above- the assholes spouting the crazy shit really were him or other paid shills.  Panda admits that bitgeek is one of his own sock puppet accounts, and is STILL posting with it. Today even, shilling for BitBingo.io What a worthless fucking bitch. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=232904;sa=showPostsFrom the Jan 2 2015 posts in the Evil Panda Email quoted in the OP above: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg10008284#msg10008284These off the wall hate posts are so over the top it makes me wonder if they are not actually some sick Cointelpro from the GAW camp to discredit what is being said here in this thread. Yup, we are hate posters and came to derail the thread Cheesy You must have missed a few pages of sockpuppets posting gifs and laughing at disabilities. At least we aren't making new accounts every day. |
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Well done, that piece of trash needs to be taken to the curb. GAWCEO, MrCEO, josg21, Homero Garza, Josh Garza, Homero Josh Garza, Homero Joshua Garza, H. Josh Garza, H. Joshua Garza, GAW Miners LLC, Business Technology for Cryptocurrency LLC, B.T.C. LLC, GAW HSI, GAW High Speed Internet, Geniuses at Work, GAW, ZenMiner, ZenCloud, Paycoin, Paybase, PayFlash, Hashlet, Hashstaker, Hashtalk, Mineral, Coinstand. Scam Scammer Fraud |
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It's crazy how many of the most paranoid worst-case scenarios end up being reality in this story.
I feel dumb for ever falling for any of it.
Wearing my untarnished tinfoil hat with pride. I have some more as yet unproven theories about this whole scam floating around still though. Chief among them is that the whole "hack/theft" of Paycoins/ Prime Controllers from Homero was nothing but smoke and mirrors with several goals in mind. I still do not buy the whole storyline put forward by Homero and the pack of criminals hand picked by him to take over Paycoin, and the employees who supposedly ripped him off. I am not buying that load of bullshit, WAY too convenient. |
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Has that been added to the OP (post #1) yet? maybe with big red letters :-) Soon (TM). I'm also trying to craft a semi-coherent sentence with all those keywords that have been floating around recently (hopefully Google will like that more than just a comma-separated list). As much as it gets used in this thread, I think you should also add how to enter the ASCII code for ™: Hold down the ALT key and enter "0153" on the numpad.  |
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For me on a personal level, seeing all of this proof that the assholes we all thought were paid shills sucking Homero's balls for a nickel were exactly that is extremely satisfying.
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5 thousand dollar btc bounty to anyone that gets reactor banned
So do you guys think someone made 5k in BTC ? - that reactor guy's account went dormant a week later. Maybe they paid him to go away? Amazing thread, it just never ends, it's like the best drama reality-show going right now, and i'm hooked on more than one!  What's my bounty? I'll go away for 500 BTC. Expect to see someone named "Thomas Paine" or such tomorrow though...  |
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