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701  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY CPIG BTCLend xpyerr.ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: June 03, 2015, 05:37:24 PM
Jonah is developing a real fanclub:





https://hashtalk.ch/topic/37975/zenminer-account-blocked-whom-to-contact/23 Archive: https://archive.is/ei7p2
702  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: [ ANN ]FIRST ALTCOIN EXCHANGE ACCEPTING TRADES IN BOTH INDIAN RUPEES AND UNITED on: June 03, 2015, 04:59:13 PM
You still haven't explained how the staking will work at all.
SoonTM

You fools you didn't know how coin staking works :-)


Join http://tntswap.com and publish your tntcoin address here and get free tntcoins :-)

I know how coin staking works, I don't know how to turn the money given to you to purchase coins that you claim will support the floor will grow to match the number of coins in the wild/necessary to support the floor. I don't know how me giving an escrow $x for x coins helps whoever I give my coins to.

Those to me seem like important questions if I were to use your coin as opposed to one of the others.

As already stated several times that user can choose his escrow.

So prior buying user can deal with escrow how to handle it. Like if user want escrow to convert the BTC to fiat and keep the fiat in escrow then he has to make that deal with escrow he selected. We don't have any control on it.


And you are not giving money to us you are giving it to escrow to hold it for 90 days. In between if you found that its not benificial for you to keep the coin you can return the coin and get your money back from escrow.


What is your plan for you and/or your escrows to earn $1 for every coin that is staked, because there is no $1 floor unless you have that.

A:   We don't have to give extra money to user for stake generated coins if they purchased it using escrow. Because untill they close the escrow and release fund to us they are holding our coin against security so every coin generated from that belong to us. And if they want to get their escrow fund back thay have to return actual coin they buyed + stake generated to escrow.




So then what is the point of the escrow? Or the coin?

I give the escrow $100. I get 100 coins. How can I use them if that cancels the escrow. How do other people get the coins. What is the point of this?

as we already stated the coins main purpose was to provide user with the ability to buy online using the coin or to send money to each other. The coin was not created for pump or dump Smiley

and we are also nott looking for users who buy 10000 or 100000 coins . instead of that we are looking for user who will use coin to buy services or products online.

Our most preferred user will be of an example given below:


User a want to buy 5$ gift card from merchant. he will login to tnt swap buy 5$ coin pay to merchant using the coin. that's all

after that merchant can hold the coin or sell back to us.


it was 100 times repeated that we are not looking for Investors for the coin we need coin to be used by users who want to purchase online Smiley no matter they buy 1 TNT or 0.001 TNT coin we are happy with that 

After the Merchant accepts the coin, THEN what?  Who backs the purchase when the Merchant dumps it on an exchange!?!? This is something all of you Paycoiner imbeciles could never grasp. Merchant acceptance of a shitcoin will make the value plummet.
703  Other / Off-topic / Re: What Song are you Listening To? on: June 03, 2015, 04:52:43 PM
Listening to some pure 60's Pop this morning.http://www.accuradio.com/oldies/ (Bubblegum channel)
Currently: Psychotic Reaction~ The Count Five
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTroJlLPRHM



Yeaaah! Groovy  Baby!
704  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: [ ANN ]FIRST ALTCOIN EXCHANGE ACCEPTING TRADES IN BOTH INDIAN RUPEES AND UNITED on: June 03, 2015, 04:46:57 PM
You still haven't explained how the staking will work at all.
SoonTM

You fools you didn't know how coin staking works :-)


Join http://tntswap.com and publish your tntcoin address here and get free tntcoins :-)

I know how coin staking works, I don't know how to turn the money given to you to purchase coins that you claim will support the floor will grow to match the number of coins in the wild/necessary to support the floor. I don't know how me giving an escrow $x for x coins helps whoever I give my coins to.

Those to me seem like important questions if I were to use your coin as opposed to one of the others.

As already stated several times that user can choose his escrow.

So prior buying user can deal with escrow how to handle it. Like if user want escrow to convert the BTC to fiat and keep the fiat in escrow then he has to make that deal with escrow he selected. We don't have any control on it.


And you are not giving money to us you are giving it to escrow to hold it for 90 days. In between if you found that its not benificial for you to keep the coin you can return the coin and get your money back from escrow.


What is your plan for you and/or your escrows to earn $1 for every coin that is staked, because there is no $1 floor unless you have that.

A:   We don't have to give extra money to user for stake generated coins if they purchased it using escrow. Because untill they close the escrow and release fund to us they are holding our coin against security so every coin generated from that belong to us. And if they want to get their escrow fund back thay have to return actual coin they buyed + stake generated to escrow.




So then what is the point of the escrow? Or the coin?

I give the escrow $100. I get 100 coins. How can I use them if that cancels the escrow. How do other people get the coins. What is the point of this?

@Coldcoiner: Red highlighted portion explains everything. You have no control over escrow, therefore there is no super special escrow contract that precludes dumping stake. There is either a real and legal contract, or there isn't. You are saying there is no escrow contract, therefore everything you say about the escrow protections are complete and total bullshit.
705  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: [ ANN ]FIRST ALTCOIN EXCHANGE ACCEPTING TRADES IN BOTH INDIAN RUPEES AND UNITED on: June 03, 2015, 04:31:47 PM
False, there is something called a spread but since you refuse to have constructive discussion I'll leave it at that and for you to research.

Bottom line is the price of BTC isn't your's to decide if your premise is that people buy a coin for $1, it has to be $1 and not what you feel like $1 is worth on for your exchange.

i am not ignoring constructive discussions Smiley

let me clear it :

if we are giving 0.0042 BTC for 1 coin valued at 1$/coin.  Then the users who buy coin also give us the same rate they are not going to pay 0.0045 for 1$ thats the thing and at present you can only get coins from directly from us or indirectly from us through escrow.


tntswap ======= coin ========user/buyer

tntswap =======coin=========escrow========user/buyer

tntcoin.con ( faucet ) ===============user



so if today we are selling one coin for 0.0042 BTC then we are also buying it for the same 0.0042.

and if you have any suggestion we are open for that
 

Where is the $1/coin backing for faucet coins? Where is the $1/coin backing for staked coins? Where is the $1/coin backing for the coins you are selling? Keeping the funds yourself does not constitute escrow, unlike what your hero Homero wanted to think. You would need to send it to a third party, otherwise it is a sale, not a backing. Also, where is the escrow contract?
706  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: [ ANN ]FIRST ALTCOIN EXCHANGE ACCEPTING TRADES IN BOTH INDIAN RUPEES AND UNITED on: June 03, 2015, 04:28:02 PM
False, there is something called a spread but since you refuse to have constructive discussion I'll leave it at that and for you to research.

Bottom line is the price of BTC isn't your's to decide if your premise is that people buy a coin for $1, it has to be $1 and not what you feel like $1 is worth on your exchange.

You clearly said Black Market.

Did I? lol

Think you quoted the wrong post Wink

OOps. LOL . Yes, I obviously thought you were CC denying his Black Market activities. My apologies for this error.

@ Coldcoiner: Please explain your illegal Black Market activities.
707  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: [ ANN ]FIRST ALTCOIN EXCHANGE ACCEPTING TRADES IN BOTH INDIAN RUPEES AND UNITED on: June 03, 2015, 04:23:12 PM
False, there is something called a spread but since you refuse to have constructive discussion I'll leave it at that and for you to research.

Bottom line is the price of BTC isn't your's to decide if your premise is that people buy a coin for $1, it has to be $1 and not what you feel like $1 is worth on your exchange.

You clearly said Black Market. That means illegal. Please explain your Black Market activities.
708  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: [ ANN ]FIRST ALTCOIN EXCHANGE ACCEPTING TRADES IN BOTH INDIAN RUPEES AND UNITED on: June 03, 2015, 04:18:50 PM
We are using the same rate for buy and sell several exchanges are using that . i don't think there a problem in that.

if we are taking bit coin at 5% above market we are also giving 5% above market.


You are trading it a 5% below market, not above.  It can be sold on Bitstamp for 0.0045BTC at the moment which would be almost 7% instant profit, it's a real cash cow you have there if you can make 5%+ on every trade Wink

Every exchange has it own rate on black market deals you can get even more but that doesn't matter to us. If user buys a coin then also they pay BTC according to the rates we list buy order in our exchange Smiley


like if some one want to buy they can also get TNT at the same we are buying back it .

So now you are involved in Black Market trading? Please explain. Drugs? Weapons? Prostitutes?
709  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY CPIG BTCLend xpyerr.ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: June 03, 2015, 04:14:17 PM
is this now the new zencloud support thread or what? please move this garbage away.

Have mercy on them. This seems to be the only place to get accounts unlocked and Hashstakers are releasing coins in a couple of weeks... brace yourselves for the mother of all dumps.

It looks like one last pump is shaping up before the flood:


https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/cryptsy/xpybtc

That push wall has already been moved from .00030 to .00032 . Pretty big Sell wall taken out @ .00034, I expect to see some pumpage in the next day or two.
710  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: [ ANN ]FIRST ALTCOIN EXCHANGE ACCEPTING TRADES IN BOTH INDIAN RUPEES AND UNITED on: June 03, 2015, 04:06:27 PM
Show the order where you include 5% more TNT coin please.

Also, still waiting on a copy of the escrow contract.
711  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: [ ANN ]FIRST ALTCOIN EXCHANGE ACCEPTING TRADES IN BOTH INDIAN RUPEES AND UNITED on: June 03, 2015, 03:56:53 PM
All the buy bids on your own exchange are under $1, this doesn't seem very logical if the floor is $1.

Considering that the exchange trades under the $1 value and that nothing will stop your exchange or any other exchange to trade the currency freely at real market value I don't see the point in buying it for $1 with or without escrow.

Paul has a point regarding regarding staked coins, if my $1 is worth $1.20 including stakes in 3 months, you don't have the money to back the extra $0.20 I have generated.

If the escrow role is to back the currency value at $1, what is there to stop you from selling against that security when the escrow forwards you the funds (you get the funds, you sell a couple of TNT for $1 for operating costs or whatever other reason you can come up with)?  Your Prime Controllers will be generating insane amount of free money every day.  Having Prime Controllers is a big red flag and I fail to see the reason for them to even exists if your intent is to try and enforce a $1 floor.

If this will all be traded to FIAT and back, the fee on fiat transfers can be significant, this fee will have to be pushed to the consumer... The escrow will also want to be remunerated increasing the cost to acquire the coin.  Why would someone spend $1.15 to by a $1 coin why would they when they can use their $1 for face value at the moment?


http://preev.com/btc/usd/source:localbitcoins

0.00042 = 0.1018


AND AT PRESENT THERE WAS A BUY ORDER FOR :

1499.49 TNT AT 0.00042 BTC EACH


WHY ONE BUY COIN DEPENDS UP ON THEIR OWN NEED WE ARE NOT FORCING TO BUY IF THEY WANT TO BUY THEY CAN  Grin

Whoah! Better tell Bitpop to brush away the beer bottles and crawl out of the couch then, he has some escrow action incoming! Have you sent him a copy of the escrow agreement , including the method of determining how to penalize stake during the escrow period? I would like to see that, along with your notarized signature on it, of course, because that would be required for it to be legitimate legal document allowing you to claim action over someone else's property.
712  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: TNTCOIN free give away thread on: June 03, 2015, 03:43:21 PM
Are you trying to host an altcoin giveaway here so that you can get this thread deleted? Cheesy

https://archive.is/ZSJ87

no need to get deleted Smiley

but we can reach so many users from here . they FUDS are working for us Smiley

NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE PUBLICITY IS PUBLICITY AND WE ARE GETTING FREE  Grin


AND NO ONE CAN SUSPECT FREE GIVE AWAYS  Wink

I do. I "suspect" that this proves conclusively that your claim of having a $1 backing for all TNT coins is a complete and total fucking lie being used in a desperate attempt to sucker people into buying your scamcoin.
713  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: [ ANN ]FIRST ALTCOIN EXCHANGE ACCEPTING TRADES IN BOTH INDIAN RUPEES AND UNITED on: June 03, 2015, 03:28:12 PM
All the buy bids on your own exchange are under $1, this doesn't seem very logical if the floor is $1.

Considering that the exchange trades under the $1 value and that nothing will stop your exchange or any other exchange to trade the currency freely at real market value I don't see the point in buying it for $1 with or without escrow.

Paul has a point regarding regarding staked coins, if my $1 is worth $1.20 including stakes in 3 months, you don't have the money to back the extra $0.20 I have generated.

If the escrow role is to back the currency value at $1, what is there to stop you from selling against that security when the escrow forwards you the funds (you get the funds, you sell a couple of TNT for $1 for operating costs or whatever other reason you can come up with)?  Your Prime Controllers will be generating insane amount of free money every day.  Having Prime Controllers is a big red flag and I fail to see the reason for them to even exists if your intent is to try and enforce a $1 floor.

If this will all be traded to FIAT and back, the fee on fiat transfers can be significant, this fee will have to be pushed to the consumer... The escrow will also want to be remunerated increasing the cost to acquire the coin.  Why could someone spend $1.15 to by a $1 coin why would they when they can use their $1 for face value at the moment?


Coldcoiner says that a floor is impossible with Prime Controllers for Paycoin, and also says that a floor is possible with Prime Controllers for his Paycoin clone , TNT. Seems legit.

714  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY CPIG BTCLend xpyerr.ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: June 03, 2015, 03:23:09 PM
I'm totally still positive about this, too. I am positive that the whole Hashlet Ponzi and Paycoin operation was a giant scam, and that asshole shills are asshole shills. Of these things I am definitely 100% positive.  Cheesy
715  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: [ ANN ]FIRST ALTCOIN EXCHANGE ACCEPTING TRADES IN BOTH INDIAN RUPEES AND UNITED on: June 03, 2015, 03:20:28 PM
@ Coldcoiner: Everything about Paycoin and therefore TNT coin that you stated in that linked post is completely WRONG. Everything that you think you know about Paycoin is based on what Josh told you. Guess what? He LIED to you. Josh played you for a fool. There was exactly one purpose for Paycoin, and that was to take YOUR MONEY and put it in JOSH"S POCKET. If you want to know what actually transpired, I suggest reading the Paycoin scam thread here. The entire scam and exactly how it was and still is being committed is laid out in great detail.

AGAIN: Please quit being a fucking asshole. No one is going to allow you to commit this TNT scam here.

You mother fucker son of a prostitute it dosn't matter to us what you fool think or beleive go and lick josh ass. just like you are doing from past several months.  Grin



P.S. Why have you locked the TNT thread and are discussing the coin here?
716  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: tntswap.com official thread ( support and discussion ) on: June 03, 2015, 03:19:31 PM
And you fools none of you can damage the Transitcoin want to know why:


it was created keeping in mind the users and investors already with us so what ever you shit on here will not effect transit coin you fools Smiley so continue your shitting job and follow my ass every where Smiley


we are going to launch portal in native Indian language also you all are welcome there to Smiley



and for normal users we will launch a coin with 0% premine soon you Smiley




\

So you consider Indian abnormal? thus treat them like the dumbest piece of shit on earth?

LOL you sell a coin that you make from thin air at floor of $1 !

I think you know own race better thus you're treating them right!

I'm proud of you little Indian boy


go and lick ass of someone else you idiot.

Single Indian can fuck your troll you fool.

717  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: [ ANN ]FIRST ALTCOIN EXCHANGE ACCEPTING TRADES IN BOTH INDIAN RUPEES AND UNITED on: June 03, 2015, 03:12:20 PM
@ Coldcoiner: Everything about Paycoin and therefore TNT coin that you stated in that linked post is completely WRONG. Everything that you think you know about Paycoin is based on what Josh told you. Guess what? He LIED to you. Josh played you for a fool. There was exactly one purpose for Paycoin, and that was to take YOUR MONEY and put it in JOSH"S POCKET. If you want to know what actually transpired, I suggest reading the Paycoin scam thread here. The entire scam and exactly how it was and still is being committed is laid out in great detail.

AGAIN: Please quit being a fucking asshole. No one is going to allow you to commit this TNT scam here.
718  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: tntswap.com official thread ( support and discussion ) on: June 03, 2015, 03:08:45 PM
@ Coldcoiner: Everything about Paycoin and therefore TNT coin that you stated in that last post is completely WRONG. Everything that you think you know about Paycoin is based on what Josh told you. Guess what? He LIED to you. Josh played you for a fool. There was exactly one purpose for Paycoin, and that was to take YOUR MONEY and put it in JOSH"S POCKET. If you want to know what actually transpired, I suggest reading the Paycoin scam thread here. The entire scam and exactly how it was and still is being committed is laid out in great detail.
719  Local / Marketplace (India) / Re: [ ANN ]FIRST ALTCOIN EXCHANGE ACCEPTING TRADES IN BOTH INDIAN RUPEES AND UNITED on: June 03, 2015, 02:50:17 PM
What is the exact method you plan to use to determine the amount of coins staked on escrowed coins? Also, please describe the legal justification for imposing this arbitrary stake penalty. Exactly what gives you the legal authority to deny someone their property? Please phrase the answer in actual legal terms, because you are describing a legal matter when you are talking about denying someone their rightly acquired coins.

Edit to add: Also, can you explain this?


https://hashtalk.ch/topic/37983/where-i-am-today/8 Archive: https://archive.is/cmPAS

So, maintaining a $20 floor with ~15 Million Paycoins is clearly impossible with these "Prime Nodes" cranking out insane amounts of coins, but maintaining a $1 floor with ~5 Billion TNT coins with "Prime Nodes" cranking out 3.5x these insane amounts is going to like totally 100% work. You are saying the Paycoin model will not work over on Hashtalk, and here you are launching a clone of Paycoin with the same exact model and claiming that it will work. WTF? Which is it?


you fool find the difference between paycoin and Transit coin below:

1,

paycoin was given to customer at 4$/coin ( HP conversion )

None of the transit coin will be available to buy below 1$. Smiley


2,

paycoin was mined by several user on POW face. It means they got the paycoin for 1$ or 2$

there will be no pow phase for TransitCoin. So again only source to get paycoin was from us and we will never sell paycoin below 1$ ( doesn't matter anyone use escrow or not )


3,

Paycoin prime controllers are in control of investors and staking from day one and dumping coins.

Transit Coin prime controllers are under my controller and we already stated 10 times that we will not sell below 1$/coin you idiot.


4,

paycoin was dumped by miners and Hp users far below 20$ Smiley because they got it for far less than that Smiley

If any one want to buy TransitCoin at 1$/coin and want to dump at 0.40 or 0.01 cent we will be happy for that they will not cause any lose to coin only make us money which can be further used to stabilize TransitCoin Smiley


1: Wrong. Stake from TNT coin is created FREE, there is no backing. All of the coins in your possession were created with ZERO backing, which is exactly the same as the Paycoin model, and the actual main reason for failure. The Paycoin "CAF" was admitted in the leaked Emails by Josh to have consisted of IOUs from himself and Stu Fraser, and were worth less than the napkins they were written on, exactly ZERO dollars. Exactly the same as the TNT CAF. ZERO dollars.

2: Wrong. There were less than 80,000 Paycoins mined during the POW phase, which is an insignificant amount compared to the 12,000,000 that were premined and put in GAW/Josh's wallet. Also, a large portion of these were actually mined by GAW. Myself and others have conclusively proven by Blockchain tracing that the vast majority (well over 90%) of the Paycoins dumped onto markets were directly from the premined 12,000,000 that Josh got for free.

3: Wrong. Paycoin Prime Controllers were all in the hands of GAW/Josh from the start, except for 2 that Adam Matlack was given , which were 10% PCs, not the 350% ones. The person dumping paycoins was Josh from day 1 of the scam. This has been proven by Blockchain tracing, and has since been proven by Emails where Josh is directing Joe Mordica to transfer vast amounts of XPY to exchanges to be dumped on suckers like you.

4: Wrong. Nearly all of the Paycoins that were mined by private miners were dumped in the first days of the scam, and constituted a tiny drop in the ocean of millions of XPY that have been dumped from the premine and output from the Prime Controllers. The tiny amount of coins dumped by private miners were all purchased by suckers like you and did not affect the price at all. There are many single days where Josh dumped more than double the total amount of mined coins in one day. Repeatedly, over and over.

You are seriously deluded and uninformed, and have been taken for a fool by Homero Joshua Garza and his Paycoin scam. This does not give you the right to try to commit this same fraud on other people. Please stop being such a fucking asshole and trying to pull another scam.
720  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: tntswap.com official thread ( support and discussion ) on: June 03, 2015, 02:46:42 PM
Can you explain this, Coldcoiner?


https://hashtalk.ch/topic/37983/where-i-am-today/8 Archive: https://archive.is/cmPAS

So, maintaining a $20 floor with ~15 Million Paycoins is clearly impossible with these "Prime Nodes" cranking out insane amounts of coins, but maintaining a $1 floor with ~5 Billion TNT coins with "Prime Nodes" cranking out 3.5x these insane amounts is going to like totally 100% work. You are saying the Paycoin model will not work over on Hashtalk, and here you are launching a clone of Paycoin with the same exact model and claiming that it will work. WTF? Which is it? Explain why you are sure the Paycoin model will not work, but your even more ridiculous clone of Paycoin WILL work. Please explain this.


you fool find the difference between paycoin and Transit coin below:

1,

paycoin was given to customer at 4$/coin ( HP conversion )

None of the transit coin will be available to buy below 1$. Smiley


2,

paycoin was mined by several user on POW face. It means they got the paycoin for 1$ or 2$

there will be no pow phase for TransitCoin. So again only source to get paycoin was from us and we will never sell paycoin below 1$ ( doesn't matter anyone use escrow or not )


3,

Paycoin prime controllers are in control of investors and staking from day one and dumping coins.

Transit Coin prime controllers are under my controller and we already stated 10 times that we will not sell below 1$/coin you idiot.


4,

paycoin was dumped by miners and Hp users far below 20$ Smiley because they got it for far less than that Smiley

If any one want to buy TransitCoin at 1$/coin and want to dump at 0.40 or 0.01 cent we will be happy for that they will not cause any lose to coin only make us money which can be further used to stabilize TransitCoin Smiley

1: Wrong, stake from TNT coin is created FREE, there is no backing. All of the coins in your possession were created with ZERO backing, which is exactly the same as the Paycoin model, and the actual main reason for failure. The Paycoin "CAF" was admitted in the leaked Emails by Josh to have consisted of IOUs from himself and Stu Fraser, and were worth less than the napkins they were written on, exactly ZERO dollars. Exactly the same as the TNT CAF. ZERO dollars.

2: Wrong. There were less than 80,000 Paycoins mined during the POW phase, which is an insignificant amount compared to the 12,000,000 that were premined and put in GAW/Josh's wallet. Also, a large portion of these were actually mined by GAW. Myself and others have conclusively proven by Blockchain tracing that the vast majority (well over 90%) of the Paycoins dumped onto markets were directly from the premined 12,000,000 that Josh got for free.

3: Wrong. Paycoin Prime Controllers were all in the hands of GAW/Josh from the start, except for 2 that Adam Matlack was given , which were 10% PCs, not the 350% ones. The person dumping paycoins was Josh from day 1 of the scam. This has been proven by Blockchain tracing, and has since been proven by Emails where Josh is directing Joe Mordica to transfer vast amounts of XPY to exchanges to be dumped on suckers like you.

4: Wrong. Nearly all of the Paycoins that were mined by private miners were dumped in the first days of the scam, and constituted a tiny drop in the ocean of millions of XPY that have been dumped from the premine and output from the Prime Controllers. The tiny amount of coins dumped by private miners were all purchased by suckers like you and did not affect the price at all. There are many single days where Josh dumped more than double the total amount of mined coins in one day. Repeatedly, over and over.

You are seriously deluded and uninformed, and have been taken for a fool by Homero Joshua Garza and his Paycoin scam. This does not give you the right to try to commit this same fraud on other people. Please stop being such a fucking asshole and trying to pull another scam.
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