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1341  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: [IOTA] Крипто-токен для "интернета вещей" (Internet-of-Things) on: April 10, 2017, 06:40:29 PM
Как кидать людей, так это легко, а когда тебе говорят, как это называется, так сразу бо-бо?

Не бо-бо, хочу срубить лёгкого бабла, раз оно само в руки идёт.
1342  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: [IOTA] Крипто-токен для "интернета вещей" (Internet-of-Things) on: April 10, 2017, 06:36:20 PM
Предлагаю в качестве эскроу CryptInvest-а  Grin Grin

Не подходит, нужен кто-то, кто имеет больший авторитет и в непредвзятости которого большинство не будет сомневаться.
1343  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Biggest ICO scams on: April 10, 2017, 05:31:35 PM
No Nxt nor IOTA? LOL, BitcoinTrashTalk is becoming too softcore...
1344  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: [IOTA] Крипто-токен для "интернета вещей" (Internet-of-Things) on: April 10, 2017, 03:55:38 PM
Люблю выйти к народу...
... кого потроллить, кого забанить, а кого и скамануть.

Скамануть? Хм. Как насчет подтвердить деньгами свои слова? До 10 BTC, находим escrow-агента, которому ты описываешь ситуацию. Я привожу своё объяснение и агент решает кто выиграл. Ты находишь агента, я могу только наложить вето на выбор, тогда ты выбираешь другого.

PS: 24 часа принять сделку, если не принимаешь, то я делаю запись в trust rating со ссылкой сюда и публикую дайджест этой ситуации в каждом треде, где я тебя встречаю.
1345  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: [IOTA] Крипто-токен для "интернета вещей" (Internet-of-Things) on: April 10, 2017, 02:36:52 PM
Неделю назад Chat-for-Ban провёл второй мастеркласс, на этот раз - о яблоках.

Люблю выйти к народу. А текст на буржуйском перевёл бы, всё-таки...
1346  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 09, 2017, 09:25:25 PM
He answered you already. Several times.

He hasn't answered yet. You lie, as usual.
1347  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 09, 2017, 08:37:31 PM
EDIT: Again the CfBs fear strikes, now reposting same useless pictures. Pathetic.

Let's wait for tonych answer and see if the pictures are useless or not.
1348  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 09, 2017, 04:16:07 PM
It looks nice but won't happen.  Odrak explained this above by quoting the whitepaper:

Quote
Incompatible parents are still permitted, but they have no chance of becoming best parent.

which means that such units will not be on the main chain but they still get descendants and get confirmed.

Ok, what about the other issues above?
1349  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 09, 2017, 03:49:16 PM
He has not been right one time in this entire thread, just an IOTA troll.

The following wasn't trolling:


Bloating issue

How much hdd space do I need to download full DAG today? Is DAG somehow limited in size, or someone can make billions of transactions and bloat it?

Please read the OP:
The fees paid for storing one’s transactions (or any other data) in the Byteball database are equal to the size of the data being stored.  If the size of your transaction data is 500 bytes, you pay exactly 500 bytes (the native currency of Byteball) in fees.

So what? With a fee of 50$ someone can make DAG twice as big overnight? With a fee 500$ can make it 10 gb more? There is people who can do this just for fun. Is there some prunning mechanism what will allow to cut old transactions from database?

There isn't. I'm pointing this out for a long time but nobody is listening. Byteball has the same scalability problem like any other blockchain with adjustable blocksize limit. Database grows indefinitely and hardware and bandwith are the limiting factors. Moreover if somebody wants to attack byteball by sending huge data to the database it''s pretty easy and cheap at the current price. 8 years old Bitcoin blockchain nears 100 GB and you can make byteball database that big in 1 day for just $6700.

we definitely need an explanation from dev about it.

I dont think the problem exists today, of too fast growth too big load on nodes, hence low priority task. 100GB for bitcoin database is small anyway, compare with how much storage a random bank requires to run its business? Byteball database does grow fast, it can compress well, there can be other implementations to make it even smaller.

It's quite obvious that once people start to care about their GBs they'll do everything to spend as less them on fees as possible. It's a no-brainer to compress data before pushing them to Byteball storage. As the result most of data in Byteball DB will already have near-max entropy. At this point lossless compressing won't give noticeable benefit.

I hope you get now why that your post was misleading...


Scalability issue

I'm still not convinced that Byteball is a pure DAG coin, to prove my position I would need to generate a lot of transactions on Byteball network to show that in certain conditions (related to DAG topology) TPS growth is negatively impacted by necessity to pick the main chain. If you compared Ethereum (which calls itself blockchain) and Byteball you would see that they don't differ much:

If you looked at IOTA you would see this:

I'm not interested enough to make sure that my assumption is correct, but you could help by generating a lot of transactions and posting here the topology of the resulting Byteball DAG. Try 10 TPS on the testnet maybe?



And now fragmentation issue described few pages back



Someone should start giving real answers instead of accusations in trolling...
1350  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 09, 2017, 01:09:09 PM
Do I misunderstand or are you sprouting out bs scenarios?

If I get the whitepaper correctly then in the mentioned scenario (everyone picked themself as the new witness) we'll get the DAG looking like this:



There is a chance I've got the whitepaper wrong, of course. So far noone has explained what will happen.
1351  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 09, 2017, 12:11:43 PM
so what's the block time of byteball?

and how can we scalable the TPS?

or what's the maximum TPS?

thank you very much
See a few tens of pages back please these questions have been discussed and answered.

You lie again. Max TPS question has never been answered directly. "A few tens of pages" contain only attempts to evade answering this direct question.

EDIT: Oh, with that "few tens of pages" you have just evaded it again, you know that noone will go through 10s of pages.
1352  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 09, 2017, 10:22:53 AM
A hub can do that, but if a unit (transaction) has more than 1 mutation its invalid. Only when 1 witness is replaced by others as well, when the new witness has posted enough stamps, the "stability point" can be moved forward, and then the next witness replaced.

In other words, if you replace one witness with yourself and I replace another witness with myself we'll split the network into two halves. There will be 50% of users behind your choice and 50% of users behind my choice. And of course, I will never accept you as a witness and you will never accept me. Looks like the consensus will diverge for indefinite period of time in this scenario.
1353  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 08, 2017, 03:17:56 PM
Organizing a secure voting is possible in Byteball, the network/protocol supports that. Havent seen anyone doing it yet, just mentioned in whitepaper.

Has anyone reviewed that part?
1354  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: [IOTA] Крипто-токен для "интернета вещей" (Internet-of-Things) on: April 06, 2017, 12:31:05 PM
какой-то анонимный бородатый араб

Только я подумал, может ли Крипт опуститься ещё ниже...
1355  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: [IOTA] Крипто-токен для "интернета вещей" (Internet-of-Things) on: April 06, 2017, 10:07:54 AM
интересно до 50 или до 100 дойдет цена в этом году? Cheesy

Надо у Крипта спросить...
1356  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: [IOTA] Крипто-токен для "интернета вещей" (Internet-of-Things) on: April 06, 2017, 06:56:43 AM
Кстати, для тех, кто продал ёты по дешёвке или не купил, когда было по 7-8 - http://iotaprice.com. В минуты, когда вас будет душить жаба, втыкайте иголки в этот график, авось да и упадёт обратно до 7-8...
1357  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: [IOTA] Крипто-токен для "интернета вещей" (Internet-of-Things) on: April 06, 2017, 06:52:33 AM
Не совсем понятно, с чего спрос так вырос. Вроде больших новостей не было, совсем недавно 1Тераёт стоил 7-8 BTC.

Может просто памп?
1358  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: [IOTA] Крипто-токен для "интернета вещей" (Internet-of-Things) on: April 06, 2017, 06:18:41 AM
и по чем сейчас оно?

25 BTC за триллион ёт, но такие тоже скоро кончатся.
1359  Local / Альтернативные криптовалюты / Re: [IOTA] Крипто-токен для "интернета вещей" (Internet-of-Things) on: April 05, 2017, 08:10:43 PM
каждый из которых спрашивает: "а где тут можно слить ёты?"

Причем сливают так интенсивно, что у нас только что кончились ASK-ордера по 24 и теперь есть только по 25+  Grin
1360  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BYTEBALL: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments on: April 05, 2017, 07:21:32 PM
http://bitsonline.com/study-costly-side-smart-contracts/

TL;DR version: Turing-completeness = BAD, Turing-incompleteness = GOOD.
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