1. Was not refuted, tonych claimed Byteball has better usability, which is true. Byteball does have private untraceable and usable payments, which are more secure as its implementation is easier than Zcash and similar coins (as seen from Komodo debacle).
2. Byteball does not have a blockchain. The Byteball database as it is today does compress well. Go back to your IOTA thread.
3. I claimed PoW and IoT are oxymorons, PoW in the context of IOTA is worthless, for bitcoin I stated it does add anti-Sybil, while you claimed bitcoin doesnt have anti-Sybil defense.
Nice to see you troll here again, raises at least this thread to top of Announcement.
1. Now you have moved your goalpost. 2. I already explained why you are wrong and DAG/chain doesn't affect this at all. Read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_theory. 3. While we could continue arguing on the first half you still lied about the second one. Do you see how low you have fallen? |
|
|
|
Can only mean 1 thing. IOTA sucks, and IOTA-dev is afraid of Byteball, sees it as worthywhile competition that he has to spend time in this thread calling Byteball a blockchain, Byteball features an overkill and other nonsense.
Or it means that IOTA-dev doesn't like cheerleaders like SatoNatomato who behave like they are pulling a confidence trick to scam people later. You still haven't explained why you lied in those 3 cases listed upthread. Of course, I don't expect you'll give any meaningful feedback on that, you'll just switch topic or make appearance you didn't notice this post... |
|
|
|
You address the wrong party here. I am not going to do nothing with no POS coins.
Got it, I wrongly assumed you were the creator of that BTC-oracle. |
|
|
|
Providing BTC data and other data which is not related to DAG security is not a witness job, therefore BTC oracle is needed if we want to have a reliable BTC bridge. We may need thousands of different data sources for different purposes in the future, we can't obligate twelve witnesses to provide all of them.
Ok. There are thousands ways from A to B. Ping me when you'll decide to add an oracle for a PoS-coin, please. |
|
|
|
Stating something as an overkill can be interpreted as a subjective opinion. Being more constructive in your comments might lead people to believe differently in your intentions
Valid point. I won't explain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor just read the linked article. Regarding our case, in cryptography all security assumptions are reduced to the minimal set of assumptions. The foundation of Byteball security is based on assumption that majority of the witnesses can be trusted. An obvious way to implement an oracle in such system is to require majority of witnesses to sign an oracle's statement. The link to the BTC-oracle tells that cryptographic proofs based on Merkle tree are used. This is overengineering, because if the quorum of witnesses states that a Bitcoin transaction is confirmed then we don't need to do Simple Payment Verification (which utilizes Merkle tree approach). Even more, if we decide to create an oracle for a PoS-based coin then we can't use Merkle trees, we need to verify the complete history of payments. In other words PoS coins cannot use SPV described in Satoshi's paper. So, instead of using Merkle trees for PoW coins and something else for PoS coins we can just combine everything if we rely on the witnesses. I hope I explained why I called BTC-oracle "an overkill". I tried to be as ELI5 as possible. |
|
|
|
misinformation
1. You claimed that Byteball is more secure than Monero and ZeroCoin. This was refuted by Byteball developer. 2. You claimed that Byteball blockchain can be compressed by violating the Law of information preservation. Nuff said. 3. You claimed that PoW can't be used as anti-Sybil measure. You still failed to explain how Bitcoin works then. So, who is spreading misinformation? |
|
|
|
Dear reader,
An IOTA-developer (Come-from-Beyond) is in this Byteball thread spreading FUD and misinformation. Petty. Disregard posts.
For better visibility of your post:  |
|
|
|
What the fuck.  Now a merchant-bot can accept payments in BTC, and a BTC-to-Bytes or Blackbytes exchange can be implemented, and everything the peers would agree to trust is a third-party run btc-oracle. Its even possible to have a merchantbot accept payments in btc or bytes/blackbytes, and deliver "goods" when either of these payment options are received. The best part is the merchantbot doesnt have to run its own bitcoin-node, it can just listen to btc-oracle. Is there a plan to have a ethereum-oracle? Such oracles are an overkill. If we trust witnesses then we can trust data published by them. And no Merkle magic needed for that. |
|
|
|
There's 100,000,000 coins, eth can't stay up
CMC claims there is 89,833,923 coins, where did the other 10 million come from? |
|
|
|
in USA you must pay 5000$ for license to do deal in ''crypto world''
The USA haven't exported democracy to every country yet. |
|
|
|
...just now otc price is very high. it will be lower and lower after round and round deliver...
C'mon, we all know that these words should be read as: "the price is low, but I want to buy even lower. I post BS in hope it will affect the price negatively" This trick has never actually worked. |
|
|
|
You think telling the truth is a joke? No wonder iota as a project is a joke too.
Since when have you started telling the truth? So far we saw only lies and disinformation. If you forgot I can remind you. |
|
|
|
Judging from iota fans coming here thinking they will get iota on an exchange in a week, then you say nope. Marketing iota as a dagcoin and now flipping and using tangle while distancing from dag. Tangle does describe the state of things, disorder, mess.
Krypt already used this joke upthread, try to create a new joke, any person with IQ above 85 is able to do that. |
|
|
|
Lol. Rekt.  Lol, the both rekted Well, a Byteball user picked the Cambridge dictionary to look up tangle. IOTA-dev looks in urban-dictionary for the word dag which isnt even the abbreviation DAG. Relax, that all was just joking. You explaning a joke which is obvious to the others look pretty dumb. We know you are not bright but there is no need to highlight this very often... |
|
|
|
Lol. Rekt. Lol, the both rekted |
|
|
|
Tangle is the core here. Hmm.. The DAG is better. tangle
an untidy mass of things that are not in a state of order, or a state of confusion or difficulty Are you sure that DAG is better? http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Dag: dag
1. dirty wool around sheeps bum. |
|
|
|
If IOTA will generate volume, it will open gate for byteball on other exchanges. Devs will have to learn how to work with DAG, and become more comofortable with listing it.
1. Noone from IOTA team said that IOTA would go to exchanges next week. 2. IOTA is more about Tangle than about DAG, I can't explain the nuance without derailing this thread. |
|
|
|
|
Ok, girls, before I derail this thread I suggest all girls to follow me to a dedicated thread where we'll have a nice troll orgy. The others should just wait for the things being fixed.
|
|
|
|
Return all ico money and close the project  Wow, another one! My friend who said that Komodo thread was full of attention seeking bitches was right! |
|
|
|
Are you the attacker, Come-from-Beyond?  #lolz No, what about you? |
|
|
|
|
Show Posts
