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1281  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What Do You WISH you could buy with Bitcoin? on: April 21, 2014, 06:56:04 AM
two things would make Bitcoin much more useful.

1) A bitcoin debit card. Just purchase anything with the card and instant convert. I would pay a 2% fee for this.

2) Payanybody banktransfer. Allow me to bank transfer dollars but from bitcoin. So I can pay rent and bills in bitcoin.
1282  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Power Rankings on: April 21, 2014, 06:50:11 AM
I disagree about your number one.

A power-list is meant to show the most powerful figures in the landscape that is the subject of said list in regards to a relevant timeframe (present).

So a Bitcoin list will concern itself with the main core developers/scientists, competing peoples and technologies, and even people like Ross Ulbricht.

I would put Vitalik and Ethereum quite high on a current power-list.
1283  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: April 21, 2014, 02:50:55 AM
I'm starting to think that Cryptocurrencies might be one of the most environmentally unfriendly forms of barter.

I wouldn't worry so much at the moment. Once we close in on the next halving then things will get very interesting.

The Bitcoin developers have to keep an eye on our competitors, so many green coins coming out. I am not a fan of POS however, because all the POS coins enrich the rich and create even more inequality.

To be honest I am really surprised KNC allowed someone to take these photos, they must have know the backlash would be huge on two fronts 1) they are still delayed in sending out miners but have built this farm and 2) people will start to see the 'centralised' nature of bitcoin in a different light, a more negative light.
1284  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: April 21, 2014, 02:46:28 AM
KNC has 7PH not 17. And they will likely never go above 8PH since they are limited to a 10MW datacenter.

1,000PH would require 10% of swedens electricity..

If KNC have 10% of the network (2,500PH/s) at the end of the year we can expect that to be around 250PH/s.

Also they are about to release their 20nm very soon, it'll likely allow for these gains. I could be wrong.
1285  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: April 21, 2014, 02:44:03 AM
1,000PH/s by years end? That would definitely be over 50% right?

It's likely the total network hashrate will be about 2,500PH/s at the end of the year.

I think I underestimated how much the network would grow, I just did a 20% diff change calculation and it comes to around 2,500PH/s.

1286  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: April 21, 2014, 01:33:11 AM
If we have dropped the 28nm then were totally fucked.

This is why building our own ASIC is important:

http://imgur.com/a/CcIhX

Because competing with KNC using other companies chips is a quick way to die.

It would be nice for Ken to respond to KNC's huge mining farm @ 17PH/s and how we intend to compete. KNC will likely have 1,000PH/s by years end.

The total network hashrate at the end of the year will be about 2,500PH/s, so I overestimated how much KNC would have.

EDIT:

My calculations show if Ken is getting the whole package for less than $1GH/s we can compete for a while ONLY if Ken reinvests about 65% back into buying more hardware at $1GH/s.

If Ken can someone get our own ASIC then we can guarantee less than $1GH/s for the foreseeable future. Hashfast will either screw us eventually or die due to customers litigating against them.
1287  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Can I verify that the official binary was compiled from the open source code? on: April 20, 2014, 02:19:28 PM
Yes. The official binary is compiled in a special environment that can be exactly replicated so that the binary can be verified. It's a bit difficult to set up, though.

Where can I read more about this environment? I'm very interested in having the same thing for my own app.

I'm very sure it's http://gitian.org/
1288  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: April 20, 2014, 01:16:29 PM
Great progress Ken.   Let's climb the leader board on Eligius and get to #1.  Heve we overtaken Bragraphics yet?  Grin

I believe Bargraphics has between 100TH/s and 150TH/s.
1289  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [VMC] Unofficial Virtual Mining Corporation Discussion on: April 20, 2014, 07:42:08 AM
So I'm at a loss as to what to do next to get my money back from VMC.

Ken's own deadline came and went with out any comment or any check for that matter.

Anyone care to help me out, given the shareholders have told me to "fuck off" and that I have no rights to free speach.

Would this constitute reasonable grounds to say categorically in a court of law that the money has in fact been stolen from people and myself?



Hey not all the shareholders have told you to get lost. I'm on your side in regards to the stolen funds.

How much are you owed if you don't mind me asking, Ken should just take it out of the mining address ASAP and send it to you.

$769

What the hell, Ken has been fucking you around for 1.538 bitcoin? What the hell is going on in his head?

How many other people are owed money right now?

I know of 2 others who I have been in contact with privately - both of whom are owed more vast sums of money than I am - into the thousands each. They are getting the exact same treatment as me. I'll leave it up to them to come forward. So they don't die of the shame of the public knowing they had dealings  with VMC.

I sent Ken a PM urging him to just pay you and the others off in Bitcoin to end this madness. Why doesn't the company understand this negative press is costing us our future.

1290  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [VMC] Unofficial Virtual Mining Corporation Discussion on: April 20, 2014, 07:35:42 AM
So I'm at a loss as to what to do next to get my money back from VMC.

Ken's own deadline came and went with out any comment or any check for that matter.

Anyone care to help me out, given the shareholders have told me to "fuck off" and that I have no rights to free speach.

Would this constitute reasonable grounds to say categorically in a court of law that the money has in fact been stolen from people and myself?



Hey not all the shareholders have told you to get lost. I'm on your side in regards to the stolen funds.

How much are you owed if you don't mind me asking, Ken should just take it out of the mining address ASAP and send it to you.

$769

What the hell, Ken has been fucking you around for 1.538 bitcoin? What the hell is going on in his head?

How many other people are owed money right now?

Does Ken know your bitcoin address?

Post it here and hopefully Ken will give up being stubborn and will just send the 1.528 to your address.
1291  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [VMC] Unofficial Virtual Mining Corporation Discussion on: April 20, 2014, 07:32:04 AM
So I'm at a loss as to what to do next to get my money back from VMC.

Ken's own deadline came and went with out any comment or any check for that matter.

Anyone care to help me out, given the shareholders have told me to "fuck off" and that I have no rights to free speach.

Would this constitute reasonable grounds to say categorically in a court of law that the money has in fact been stolen from people and myself?



Hey not all the shareholders have told you to get lost. I'm on your side in regards to the stolen funds.

How much are you owed if you don't mind me asking, Ken should just take it out of the mining address ASAP and send it to you.
1292  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should core bitcoin developers freeze stolen Mt.Gox bitcoins? on: April 20, 2014, 06:03:38 AM
Have they solved the problem with CoinJoin where the accumulator could leak who wanted what to go where?
1293  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Can I verify that the official binary was compiled from the open source code? on: April 20, 2014, 04:11:44 AM
Yes. The official binary is compiled in a special environment that can be exactly replicated so that the binary can be verified. It's a bit difficult to set up, though.

Is this is preferred process?

http://gitian.org/
1294  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should core bitcoin developers freeze stolen Mt.Gox bitcoins? on: April 20, 2014, 04:06:20 AM
OP, what you're suggesting isn't possible in Bitcoin by design. The blockchain can't just be altered by the dev team in the manner that this scenario would require.

The block which contains the MtGox transfers also contain numerous other legitimate transactions that occurred around the same time period before that block was solved.

The hash of a block is a long string of characters representing the entire hash of the previous block, a time stamp of when the current block was created, and all of the transaction data contained within the current block. If a single transaction is changed, the resulting block hash will be completely different. When a block is solved, a new block is instantly created and the cycle is repeated.

All of the blocks solved from then up until now rely on the hash of the block containing those MtGox transactions. Every block is dependent on the data contained within the previous block remaining concurrent. Changing something in a past block would cause a cascading failure event. The change would be rejected.

Each and every block uses the hash of the previous block in its algorithm. If you change the content of a block, the hash changes with it. If the hash of the next block does not check-out against the hash of the previous block it will be discarded. The blockchain from that moment forward and every transaction that occurred from that block onward would need to be reverted as if it never happened for such a change to be accepted...

The protocol will not allow the coins to be "frozen" since the act of freezing them would destroy the concurrency of a known good chain where the inputs and outputs are proven. The alteration would be discarded the same as a "double-spend" attempt.

Bitcoin can't do what you're asking it to do regardless of what the core devs think about the Gox situation... Bitcoin has no conventional "core" in that unilateral "source-code" alterations are not possible. If the community wishes to implement an improvement they must do it by consent. Community consent has limits in that it still doesn't mean they can change the content of a previous block. Improvements can only be implemented from an unsolved block onward. The only way to go back would be to discard all transactions that took place in the chain between the block in question and the current unsolved block.

Bitcoin isn't about Anarchy, it's governed by the most absolutely infallible system of law on the planet; math... The problem with math is that it cares nothing for emotion. If you have unspent outputs and the private keys to control them; nobody can stop you from spending them. That's not Anarchy, that's equality and neutrality...

Not that I agree with the idea of the OP, but technically it is possible no?

The updated patch in the main client will have code that checks for the stolen addresses and does not verify any block that allows them to move after a certain date in the future (perhaps next week). This will force the miners to either fork or accept the patch and choose not to allow the funds to flow.

The code would simply not accept a block that has a transaction from the known stolen funds addresses after a certain date.

I don't agree with that, but it's still possible, no need to go back in time and fudge the chain up.
1295  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: April 19, 2014, 04:13:37 PM
I think the behaviour of ken and the incompetence of others that even make bitcoin projects turn scammy or bankrupt will be the reason no one will invest in bitcoin things anymore. I dont feel any urge to invest somewhere anymore. Its so very risky and when i see the latest projects it looks like practically none led to rich investors. Most even led to total loss.

Its really a pain at the moment. Its like the gold digging time is over and we are the poor guys trying to get some grain of gold in the rivers though having a higher chance of getting bankrupt.

Bit of a random quote but yeah you are right. The whole industry is high risk and many many people have lost out.

But look at ACtM - still trying and still trading. Atleast we have a CEO who doesn't give up. Sure he may be incompetent at times and completely lacking at other times ( Wink) but hey, he's a tryer. Sometimes that's all you need in business. The fact we are still going and making progress (it seems) says a lot about the CEO here that everyone here put their coins into. We might go down in a ball of flames (SEC/bankruptcy) but personally I wouldn't ever say Ken didn't try his best and you will never be able to say he took the easy route out and gave up at the first opportunity - (when eASIC gave us the elbow).

This is the good stuff I guess, we are still active whilst many other securities have failed.
1296  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: April 19, 2014, 03:24:34 PM
Could be yes. Whatever the figures all our money is probably going towards this third party 28nm and our own boards. We will be making a saving using our own fabbed boards, so we are not just using other peoples hardware to mine. We have lower hardware costs than off the shelf hashfast trade customers.

My calculations take into account that our costs are much lower than a normal hashfast customer.

I agree that it's unlikely we are buying 5,000 boards for $3,500,000 and also funding a custom 28nm at probably $2,000,000 with what money we have left.
1297  Economy / Securities / Re: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated] on: April 19, 2014, 03:00:06 PM
I might have said this before but I think these 5000 boards are all our money. If BTC continues to climb and they ROI then it was a good move and will make us stronger to continue with the 28nm (not 27) custom chip. If BTC stays where it is and we don't ROI we will be in a weaker position. In a fluid market place it was likely the best move if we didn't have enough is USD (with BTC at $400) to continue with the 28nm.

You can't blame Ken for BTC being $400 and that meaning we don't have enough to finish the 28nm project. If BTC was at 2k the 28nm would be full steam ahead. So my opinion is it was likely a decent move considering the weakness of BTC in Q1.

You mean they will be all of our money? 5,000 boards/chips will cost about 7,000 bitcoin so Ken is probably going to buy them bit by bit with mining dividends. Right now taking into account the 100TH/s we are meant to have bought, we probably have enough Bitcoin left for about 700 boards.
1298  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning on: April 19, 2014, 01:47:48 PM
from what ive experienced in tons of IPO participation, its better and safe to bid lower  Wink


The IPO is pre-set to 3,500 ether per bitcoin.

You could always wait until after IPO and hope the price drops.

How do you know this?

Hmm I can't find the 3,500 number right now. The white paper itself specifies between 1000 and 2000 per bitcoin.
1299  Economy / Securities / Re: [Active Mining] The UNofficial Active Mining Discussion Thread [UNmoderated] on: April 19, 2014, 12:46:12 PM
Buying HashFast boards is not a plan but an exit strategy.  The coup de grace to make Active Mining look like a honest failure instead of a scam.

@drawingthesun:  You were warned before you "invested," while you were "investing moar" on the way up, and sure, now it's too late.  The trick's listening to advice of your betters, instead of calling them trolls, shutting your eyes, and hoping for the best.

I only got involved heavily in the ActiveMining thread and read Crumbs warnings after I had amassed my large number of useless shares and then I was too scared to sell at a loss. (A loss being 200 bitcoin) Tongue

Yep, I know I'm an idiot. But I wasn't buying up tens of thousands of shares during the time I was talking to the critics of this company.
1300  Economy / Securities / Re: [Active Mining] The UNofficial Active Mining Discussion Thread [UNmoderated] on: April 19, 2014, 12:28:23 PM
So, where are the 5000 boards?

Question is when will shareholders gain what they invested almost one year ago...

We need to step up income by at least 20 times to have any chance of getting ROI.

I tried to warn you people for a long time, but everyone kept supporting ken. I don't think it will last much. He has no chip project going and he is using 3rd party chips/hardware while this wasn't the initial plan.

I feel like DeJa Vu with you. I'm sure we have had the conversation: "I warned you! --> I know, but I am already invested and the exchanges have been closed!"

I haven't been in a position to do anything for a very long time. I have been wanting out for six months but Ken has issued a trading block and there seems to be nothing we can do about it.
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