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on: February 17, 2019, 04:42:32 PM
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Where are they selling "live forever upgrades" these days? Cause I see the world's wealthiest still turn into fossils and die. You'd think they'd buy it if available ... Life extending technology will eventually be invented. But not for the next 100 years. I would consider looking up a digest of the progress on life extension at least every other year, starting now. There's a decent amount of buzz going on there, comparable to Bitcoin 10 years ago. The current "cutting edge" claims are a 50/50 chance for catching up to the aging escape velocity by 2040-50, and claims for minor rejuvenation (adding less years than you'd need to halt/reverse aging) by 2030ish. Cryopreservation is also becoming significantly cheaper, so that could be an option for people too old to make it to even 2050. Around the next rally a fraction of a Bitcoin could be enough for the cryopreservation part, and with a sensible portfolio you could "unfreeze" filthy rich whenever the technology is there. tl;dr We're virtually around the corner (relatively speaking). So anyone who feels like potentially being able to choose their point of death should do some digging. It is not physically possible to freeze humans and revive them at a later date. That is fantasy. What qualifications do you have to make such claim? I've found no evidence for it. Unless you'd like to revise your statement to "you can't currently revive frozen humans". Water turns into ice when it freezes. Yes that is all there is to be said on the topic. Don't even bother. Non-argument. Assumes that damage won't be repairable in the future based on incomplete knowledge of pretty much everything. The damage is too much. We are talking about irreparable "data-loss" damage here. You can't repair what is already gone. In the future, you could probably farm a genetical clone from the available DNA but the brain is fucked up. |
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: February 17, 2019, 04:39:37 PM
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Where are they selling "live forever upgrades" these days? Cause I see the world's wealthiest still turn into fossils and die. You'd think they'd buy it if available ... Life extending technology will eventually be invented. But not for the next 100 years. I would consider looking up a digest of the progress on life extension at least every other year, starting now. There's a decent amount of buzz going on there, comparable to Bitcoin 10 years ago. The current "cutting edge" claims are a 50/50 chance for catching up to the aging escape velocity by 2040-50, and claims for minor rejuvenation (adding less years than you'd need to halt/reverse aging) by 2030ish. Cryopreservation is also becoming significantly cheaper, so that could be an option for people too old to make it to even 2050. Around the next rally a fraction of a Bitcoin could be enough for the cryopreservation part, and with a sensible portfolio you could "unfreeze" filthy rich whenever the technology is there. tl;dr We're virtually around the corner (relatively speaking). So anyone who feels like potentially being able to choose their point of death should do some digging. Any new research about body transplants of genetical clones? THAT would be the way to go. Maybe something already achieved in animals/rats? There was a plan for the first ever human head transplant a year or so ago. But I don't think anything came from that, so I'm not sure if that actually happened or got delayed. There are a few different paths to this problem. One would be to continuously repair the effects of aging. And the other would be to stop aging entirely. The ways to achieve either of these include replacing the human body entirely (with a cloned biological body, artificial physical body, digital/mind upload), repairing the human body by reversing the effects of aging, or halting the effects of aging altogether. There is progress happening on all of these fronts. We have cloned organs, cloned animals. [Potential biological body replacements] Artificial limbs that can be mind controlled with actual sensorial feedback. [Artificial body replacements] Mind control of artificial and digital objects. [Mind upload] Different approaches with cells (senescent cells and senolytic drugs), genes (Crispr), blood shown to reverse some effects of aging in rats. [Reversing/halting the effects on a biological level] As time goes by these will become more sophisticated and probably result in multi-lateral approaches to dealing with aging. So far they're baby steps, but they're bound to compound exponentially over time. With more progress there comes more funding, with more funding more progress. Same old feedback loop. The problem with the full body transplant is mainly making the neural reconnections. Once that solved most the way ahead is clear. Nanotech, microsurgery, automation, etc... advances in those fields maybe could lead to that. But I thought maybe some "crude" experiment with moderate success could have already been made in animals. It seems not. Digital mind/upload is another way I don't think is viable as a life extending alternative. I mean, you could end with a similar person but it would just be a copy, not me, not my conscience of being me.... if it was even possible anyways. Reversing/halting the effects of aging also sound like sci-fi at this time. More so the reversing part of it. It's the full body transplant the only thing I could consider viable even if the tech to carry it is still way far. |
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on: February 17, 2019, 04:26:59 PM
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Where are they selling "live forever upgrades" these days? Cause I see the world's wealthiest still turn into fossils and die. You'd think they'd buy it if available ... Life extending technology will eventually be invented. But not for the next 100 years. I would consider looking up a digest of the progress on life extension at least every other year, starting now. There's a decent amount of buzz going on there, comparable to Bitcoin 10 years ago. The current "cutting edge" claims are a 50/50 chance for catching up to the aging escape velocity by 2040-50, and claims for minor rejuvenation (adding less years than you'd need to halt/reverse aging) by 2030ish. Cryopreservation is also becoming significantly cheaper, so that could be an option for people too old to make it to even 2050. Around the next rally a fraction of a Bitcoin could be enough for the cryopreservation part, and with a sensible portfolio you could "unfreeze" filthy rich whenever the technology is there. tl;dr We're virtually around the corner (relatively speaking). So anyone who feels like potentially being able to choose their point of death should do some digging. It is not physically possible to freeze humans and revive them at a later date. That is fantasy. Agreed. That's NOT the way to go. Sorry Hal. |
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on: February 17, 2019, 04:15:50 PM
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Where are they selling "live forever upgrades" these days? Cause I see the world's wealthiest still turn into fossils and die. You'd think they'd buy it if available ... Life extending technology will eventually be invented. But not for the next 100 years. I would consider looking up a digest of the progress on life extension at least every other year, starting now. There's a decent amount of buzz going on there, comparable to Bitcoin 10 years ago. The current "cutting edge" claims are a 50/50 chance for catching up to the aging escape velocity by 2040-50, and claims for minor rejuvenation (adding less years than you'd need to halt/reverse aging) by 2030ish. Cryopreservation is also becoming significantly cheaper, so that could be an option for people too old to make it to even 2050. Around the next rally a fraction of a Bitcoin could be enough for the cryopreservation part, and with a sensible portfolio you could "unfreeze" filthy rich whenever the technology is there. tl;dr We're virtually around the corner (relatively speaking). So anyone who feels like potentially being able to choose their point of death should do some digging. Any new research about body transplants of "farmed" genetical clones? THAT would be the way to go. Maybe something already achieved in animals/rats? |
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on: February 16, 2019, 11:34:50 AM
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Thank you all for commenting on the age, I wanted to know if at the party of the 100k I would be only in the luxury geriatric.  Nahh... Let's be real... considering current average ages and adding a (very) conservative time period for reaching $100K. I would think the $100K will probably look something like this:  And the girls?   |
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on: February 16, 2019, 11:07:43 AM
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Thank you all for commenting on the age, I wanted to know if at the party of the 100k I would be only in the luxury geriatric. Nahh... Let's be real... considering current average ages and adding a (very) conservative time period for reaching $100K. I would think the $100K will probably look something like this: |
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on: February 16, 2019, 08:33:45 AM
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I do not know the average age of WO. I am over 50 years old and my dental health is perfect, thanks.
I'm very recent in WO, where is the age rank? 25/60
Infofront ran an age poll sometime in the past. IIRC, combined with the public claims of many WO's... I would say most people are over 40. There are some in the 30's and very few in the twenties. Of course that is just from the people that have claimed it, we do not know much about the silent readers. I am in my forties. |
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on: February 15, 2019, 03:13:53 PM
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Grrr.. that market sell/dump was not nice.. whose retirement plan was it??  Full-Disclosure: my next liquidation level is $1M USD @ ~$11k USD/BTC (depending on momentum). If I could liquidate $1M at any reasonable price while still leaving me with a good stash I would also do it. Thanks god gave me patience  P.S.: And also gave me the wise to never put all my eggs in the same basket. |
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on: February 14, 2019, 04:09:54 AM
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^ Good, now you are opening. But I am not trying to "outsmart" you, unless by that you mean that I am trying to obtain an honest reply from you for a yet undisclosed (but not particularly evil or malicious) purpose... which is something so blatantly obvious that couldn't be considered anywhere near a manipulation attempt.
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Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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on: February 13, 2019, 09:04:25 AM
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Definition of cheap rate is very different in the context-time when someone bought his/her first Bitcoin. Ask those investors who got it during a bull run. they would love to grab some in the current scenario. its cheap for them.
I got in during China fud and the current price is almost the same as my monthly salary. not so cheap for me.
I would be very glad if my monthly salary were as much as 1 BTC. ... Yet I could buy half a BTC each month if I really wanted. You guys spend too much and/or save too little.I have bought BTC for as little as 50€/btc in 2013 and for as much as 3000€/btc in 2017(not counting trading, I of course had sells/buys on every possible price up to $19K but that is not "fresh" money for me). Regarding "You guys spend too much and/or save too little:" that seems a bit judgmental because we have to look at the whole package. I understand that there are some cultural variations, and even locations in which savings is emphasized more than consumption. I feel that I have led a pretty aggressive investment strategy that relates to a bit of a frugal life because I have always had a percentage of my salary go towards investing - usually 10% minimum, and surely sometimes higher than that. Of course, the amounts that are in the investment pool can add up, and become tempting in terms of how to allocate such funds and if there are perceptions of "investment opportunities" to get the money "working" or earning greater returns. I know young people who seemed to be living on a salary similar to mine, and they always had nice stuff, such as new cars. I did not want the payments or the depreciation, but I did break down and begin to buy new cars after my surplus investment funds begin to seem to be so large that I could not resist any longer. The many bells and whistles of the new car were surely nice, and I kind of felt that I had earned it after more than 20 years of working in various ways (gotta include college years in there too.. as a kind of ongoing working to advancement). Regarding "fresh money" invested into BTC: I find my system to be a bit confusing because I cashed out all the way to $19k, but I also used a vast majority of those generated funds to buy back BTC. At the same time, there is a kind of ongoing putting of my extra money into my BTC fund.. so at some point, differentiating between "fresh money" and money generated from trades has become a bit confusing to calculate... gotta "ballpark" the estimate, sometimes. Is that cheating? Yeah, in your case is hard to say what is fresh money or proceeds from previous higher price sales. As I have *never* "cashed out" I can just take into account the times I did deposits to the exchanges. Everything else is just "trading the same money over and over to increase my BTC stash". My last deposit was when I was able to finally fully cover a leveraged long I had opened a year before. That was right before the Bcash fork which I considered could be a bad time to be leveraged for the risk of extreme volatility (which didn't happen). About the "you guys spend too much"... yeah, I know it depends not only on the individual but also the country variations and many other circumstances. About the cars... I have always had great sporty cabrio cars... which I bought used for the price of a "regular boring" new car. Currently a Mercedes. No one ever noticed the difference and everyone thought it would have costed me WAY MORE than I really paid. My trick is not earning too much, but doing my best that every dollar spent is worth like double or triple -at the very least-. Of course that takes "research" time I could use instead to earn more and not having to care that much about my spending... So I can perfectly understand that if someone has his income well covered he can self indulge in his spending. This is something where you CAN'T have best of both worlds. Not sure which one I would prefer... If some day Bitcoin(or any of my other investments) makes me "rich enough"... maybe I will be able to tell you. Another thing is that I started saving as soon as when I was 11 years old even if it was "pennies". 2018 was the only year since then that my net worth got reduced in comparison to the previous year. I am sure you can guess why. P.S.: I forgot that I also got a net worth reduction on the dotcom implosion. |
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