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June 04, 2018, 07:20:43 PM
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See?

This is exactly what I've been talking about for so long now.

Peercoin believed that all they had to do was come up with great technology, keep it that way, and one day when they were ready, the floodgates would open, and people would come rushing in.

It isn't like that... Even coindesk admits it in this article:

https://www.coindesk.com/crypto-twitter-toxic-combination-troubling-future/4

Every time you see the word ARDOR or IGNIS just re-insert Peercoin into the article, and the same situation applies to our community as well.

If any of you think for a moment, that the press is going to take us into adoption or a better price "when the word gets out". It won't.

It would be wise to start building our marketing fund now, and keep building it. We're going to need it.
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June 04, 2018, 07:25:02 PM
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Ppc man is so right peercoin needs marketing devolpmemt war chest or the coin will continue  too slide on coin mkt cap from number 3  4 years ago too number 220 on coin mkt cap vertcoin delegated pct of mining rewards too devolpmemt and they are now well funded and coin sky rocketed instead of same people saying they don't want anything too change let's put it too a vote I'm sure majority of peercoin holders would rather devolpmemt and marketing be well funded leading most likely too be a top 25 coin again on coin mkt cap
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June 04, 2018, 08:56:03 PM
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Peercoin 2-0 as proposed from ppc man should be considered how far down coin market cap does it take till the community realizes changes need too be made peercoin never should have been allowed too fall as low as it did on coin market cap with out trying too make improvement too it
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June 04, 2018, 10:27:31 PM
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A percentage of the mined coins should go too devolpmemt and marketing that's what vertcoin did that helped send the coin skyrocketing it will benefit everyone the peercoin miners and holders vertcoin had the miners on board within a few days of it being proposed we should do the same thing here at peercoin
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June 05, 2018, 03:40:54 AM
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I posted something here with some rough math...

https://talk.peercoin.net/t/it-is-proposed-to-allocate-ten-percent-of-the-proceeds-from-the-mining-to-the-foundation/7872/71

The question for me is how this would impact mining participation at Peercoin. Would miners leave because they feel cheated by the tax or would they support it as you say they did at Vertcoin.
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June 05, 2018, 04:18:11 AM
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As long as the money is put too improving peercoin and increasing awareness of peercoin every one wins the miners have a higher price the peercoin stake holders have a higher price I think the real question should be is 10 pct the right number or would 5 pct get the job done as well when peercoin sky rockets in value because of the added devolpmemt and marketing 5 pct will be more then enough and everyone will be happy zcash takes 20 pct that's outrageously high but 5. To 10 pct would leave peercoin team with the resources too bring peercoin too the next level
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Re: Vertcoin - 1 | ASIC - 0 | Lyra2RE | Decentralised | GPU Mineable | Open Source
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Quote from: volyova on November 16, 2016, 03:47:40 PM
Quote from: griffen1102 on November 16, 2016, 01:58:36 PM
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If you do not believe in your project, and how other people are to believe ...

I'm a miner ... here I'll give you 10% of my coin ... does that worth something?


Yes. Anything helps

Helps to do what?
Hire someone who can do something?

No one wants to work for free . I'm donating 1 btc worth of vert once we get a plan . I wouldnt urge anyone to donate until we have a plan . I'm still learning here , if I had the skill set to take lead I would , but I don't .
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Re: Vertcoin - 1 | ASIC - 0 | Lyra2RE | Decentralised | GPU Mineable | Open Source
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June 05, 2018, 04:29:38 AM
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That from vertcoin bitcointalk November 2016 when the idea started too get discussed about having pct of miner rewards go too devolpmemt and they quickly implemented the miners were on board since they realized it would make everyone more money long term
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June 05, 2018, 05:07:24 AM
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As long as the miners are onboard I think this is an excellent idea is there a way too check with the miners see how they feel about this proposal ppc will go up in price the miners will be better off
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June 05, 2018, 05:59:07 AM
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As long as the miners are onboard I think this is an excellent idea is there a way too check with the miners see how they feel about this proposal ppc will go up in price the miners will be better off

Miners are not responsible for upgrading the network (only PoS minters) so I don't think so. As far as I know they can only voice their opinion on that forum thread. It's difficult to know how many are even aware the discussion is taking place.
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June 05, 2018, 07:15:27 AM
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Bitcoin air  air drop would be great for peercoin holders
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June 05, 2018, 07:26:31 AM
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It's great that bitcoin air wants too airdrop peercoin holders there new coin the devolpers want the peercoin community too let them know they want peercoin included in the air drop
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June 05, 2018, 07:29:09 AM
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Hello Peercoin Community!

My name is Anthony and I am the Lead Developer and currently overseeing operations for Bitcoin Air. We are a transparent, none-ICO/none-VC, community focused development building a new coin fork on top of the Peercoin Core. What we are trying to tackle is a stable coin for the small business market and we are currently catching a good amount of traction. I was hoping to gauge a bit of interest from the community on regards to us airdropping you all our coin upon our development finalizing and us completing our main net for the fork. I am totally leaving this up to community choice and I do not want to step on any toes here during my fork process so I feel the most important thing is to offer a vote to you guys/gals if you are interested in receiving the coin.

We are happy to be producing the first Haven Protocol-Bitcoin/Peercoin Bilateral Merge Fork. What this means is we are developing a dual chain Blockchain that can operate as both a payment and value system and a reserves system.

You can read more about our development at:

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Secure Payments as Light as Air! — Steemit

Important Links Website: Short Paper: Trello Board: Reddit: Twitter: Discord: Medium: Github:… by bitcoinair
This article contains all of our social links as well as our Telegram chat if interested. We are dearly hoping for the communities support on this fork and understand that it should be a community decision to support and receive an airdrop.

The process would be done via UTXO addition to our core and it would require you to hold Peercoin through the fork snapshot. To receive the airdrop, you would transfer ALL of your funds OUT of your wallet address (the one you held in through the snapshot) to a safe separate wallet address. You would then take the empty Peercoin wallet Private Key and conduct a "sweep" in our wallet to receive your Bitcoin Air. Please remember to NEVER conduct a sweep for a airdrop with an amount inside of your wallet private key that you are importing. Always send the entire balance to a new address after a snapshot is completed if you plan to receive the airdrop.

Thank you guys for your time in reading about our development at Bitcoin Air and we can't thank the Peercoin Development team enough for their hard work in developing their awesome blockchain. We hope to only build on it and give back to you guys in the end.

So what do you guys say? Would you like to receive the airdrop?

 Yes, I am okay with the fork and would like to receive the airdrop.
 No, I am not okay with the fork and would prefer not to receive the airdrop.
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June 05, 2018, 07:56:37 AM
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What will the ratio of bitcoin air too peercoin that peercoin holders will receive ?
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June 05, 2018, 11:07:22 AM
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What will the ratio of bitcoin air too peercoin that peercoin holders will receive ?

Ask them in their thread and I’m sure they will answer...

https://talk.peercoin.net/t/airdrop-bitcoin-air-official-announcement-secure-payments-as-light-as-air/7937
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June 05, 2018, 02:43:13 PM
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Freed dividend for PPC holders, nice, thanks. Just let me know when and where to reedeem it and then sell it for more PPC. Cheers  Grin

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June 06, 2018, 02:10:36 AM
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I agree. We need to know how to use these funds.I hope this money should be used in peercoin development and marketing, rather than on other related projects
It would be used on all of the above. Read what I said here. Peercoin core development is vital, but so is development of our 2nd layer protocols like PeerAssets. They work to increase the tools and use cases associated with the Peercoin blockchain and those tools can be used to market Peercoin.

So the Foundation is concerned not just with core development, but with the entire ecosystem. Funds would not be given to a project like Indicium because that is a for-profit business that needs to survive based on its own merits. However the protocol that Indicium runs on (PeerAssets) would be supported because it provides a way to draw more projects to run on top of Peercoin, increasing the value of the main chain in the process.

If a PoW tax like this was to be instated then the Foundation would need to provide higher levels of transparency. This would probably include opening a public Foundation board on this forum where the community can be vocal about different topics and even use it for grant requests for projects that would help Peercoin. For example @ppcman could develop a marketing plan and post it in this board requesting funds to carry out the plan. If the board agreed then they would fund it. If not, then it would be up to ppcman to convince them further.

We would also need to have a place where we detail what funds were spent on. A tax like this without transparency wouldn't work very well. The community would want a way to see what is going on and a way for them to be heard. Even then, it would ultimately be up to the board members to make decisions, but the community would at least have a way to influence and convince the board members.
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June 06, 2018, 02:11:33 AM
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I'm in favour of this plan we should move forward with it
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June 06, 2018, 02:38:03 AM
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I'm in favour of this plan we should move forward with it

I think it would be more effective if you make an account on the forum and post that in the thread. Nobody will see your post here except me.
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June 08, 2018, 12:36:59 PM
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Ok I think we've seen enough of this thread. I have been silent so far but I think it's time to draw the line.
If you are new to the thread and this is latest post, whatever was said above does not express opinion of the Peercoin Foundation and the project leadership.

Let me just make some things clear now:

1) Nobody on the "Peercoin team" and the Foundation board has expressed desire to be payed.
2) People who actively contribute to the project now as happy as volunteers.
3) Foundation was primarily setup to be a legal face of the project, secondary it's means to issue a real paychecks for when people do want to get hired. Or when we are in position to hire people.
4) Foundation has enough money for now, at least to handle the things we have to do and for which we have plans.
5) Funds we have now will mostly be used to finish up the legal matters about the project and do some other minor things like hosting couple of development servers and revamping the branding.
6) There are plans to hire a "core developer" as foundation employee but that is still being discussed, if this does come to fruition I do expect community to step up and just donate more.

In the near future (after legal matters are resolved and set) I'll present a new per-project funding system where people can present their project, define it's scope and mission and split it up in "milestones" and get funded step by step while their results are verified by the board which co-own the donated funds in multisig.
Projects will also have expiration date, so the tragedy of peer4commit does not happen again. Fundraisers will just have to finish before the pre-determined deadline unless they want board to issue paybacks to the community. The constant control by the board will also make sure quality standards are met and bugs are fixed. Overall I think this will be great for the community and the stakeholders.
I expect good results from this platform, we'll kick it off with iOS and Android native wallets and see how it goes.

Now, about taxing the miners, minters or other parties or changing the economics of the system.
This is something we are in no position to do, Foundation is merely a shepard of the project and it's mission is to protect the project legally.
Personally, as the project leader I can not allow that this project becomes shitcoin after six years of service. Taxing, motions, and other methods of raising funds from the project itself will drastically change the scope of this project and in my personal opinion will make it a shitcoin.
Peercoin is a drop-in replacement for the Bitcoin and it must be kept as that, it must be kept sane and sound. Controlled by no party but by it's minters. If minters and miners chose to support the foundation, the address for donations is public. Foundation will never force anyone to send any funds.

Futhermore, some people around here often bring up the relative position of Peercoin on the marketcap and use that to describe the status of the project. I will say this as industry insider and I have been advisor on dozen of ICO projects, and will likely be on dozens more.
Market cap is a marketing thing, it's made artificially and it's direct byproduct of "premine" and how aggressive is the market maker. The bigger the premine, easier it is to pump it high. Market making and whitewashing is also quite common and it's quite effective in drawing traders to the party.

This are methods which are disease of modern crypto, I do not think Peercoin needs to be compared by marketcap. I mean, if you want to compare it then please filter out ICOs and un-minable "projects" and then tell me how it looks.
Premine is a normal thing now in crypto, so is having CEOs and CFOs.
Let me just ask you, does Bitcoin have a marketing budget? Does Bitcoin have a CEO?

I agree that marketing is our pain point, it has always been. At the moment we are simply in no position to dedicate manpower to handle that. Do not just complain, do something about it.
Foundation will get to that after we resolve more important matters.
In the near future we can certainly use foundation to accumulate marketing funds and then hiring a professional PR agency or something
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