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April 21, 2016, 01:41:49 AM
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They don't want Andrew Jackson on the US $20s anymore...

Another sign that the USA is dead and will break apart.

From what I have read about Andrew Jackson I suspect he would not have want his image associated with today's $20

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They don't want Andrew Jackson on the US $20s anymore...

Another sign that the USA is dead and will break apart.

From what I have read about Andrew Jackson I suspect he would not have want his image associated with today's $20

yeah but my point is the liberals have taken over the conservative icons of our history. This represents an unacceptable slap in the face to the conservatives. They are nearing the point of mass revolt. The USA will split along liberal and conservative divides. The southern Bible belt will break away.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/cruz-losing-support-of-fellow-republicans/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/history/americas-economic-history/why-are-the-us-elections-so-important/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/history/americas-economic-history/cruz-defeats-trump-in-wisconsin-is-this-1828-1832-all-over-again/

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Andrew Jackson was a mean & tough old bastard.  He mistreated Indians, although that was frequent in those times (+/- early 1800s).

He also fought the Central Banksters nearly to death.  He really hated them, insulted them, and (word has it) was the almost-victim of an assassination (the assassin's gun did not fire) probably instigated by the Central Wankerz.

Rumor had it that Jackson was my ancestor on my mother's side, but we found no evidence of that when we employed a genealogist to do our family history.  Which is actually kind of a pity, I would have more of an excuse to play with guns were he an actual ancestor...
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I am skeptical about about claims that this is widely distributed in the food supply. To hard to hide and too much blow back if it became known. Also anything along these lines that worked would require multiple repeated exposures to be effective and permanent immunity does not exist. The body does not like to attack itself and has numerous safeties built in to prevent such attacks from occurring. They have tried to make an infertility vaccine by conjugating tetanus toxoid one of the most immune provoking substance known with Beta hCG (a molecule required to sustain pregnancy) and even in this target form it does not really work very well.

Some background medical information. The tetanus toxoid provokes a strong and immediate immune response in humans. It has historically been conjugated with other agents to make vaccines against those agents. For example Haemophilus influenza a leading cause of childhood meningitis does not produce much of a protective immune response when given to children by itself but when injected along with the tetanus toxoid it produces a powerful and protective immune response. Similarly it is possible to provoke an immune response to other things by attaching them to the tetanus toxoid.

Notably it is possible to make a pregnancy vaccine by coupling the tetanus toxoid to Beta hCG.
Beta hCG is the same molecule measured in over the counter urine pregnancy tests and is required to sustain early pregnancy. By coupling the tetanus toxoid with beta-hCG you can create antibodies to hCG that prevent pregnancy.

This "vaccine" was developed in 1997 and is called the HSD-hCG. As of 1997 this prevented pregnancy for 6 months but required booster shots every six months as the vaccine lost effect as the immune response died down.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9083611

In a world dependent on socialism reproduction must inevitably become a government granted privilege rather then a right. Once 'free stuff' becomes a natural right eventually there will come a time when there is not enough actual production to supply 'free stuff' for everybody. At this point the natural tendency is for both the producers and consumers is to support measures lowering the numbers of 'free stuff' claimants. Antifertility vaccines and foods could be rolled out openly in such an environment with government supplied freebies being conditioned on maintaining your 'vaccination' status or perhaps with the 'vaccine' being supplied in the 'free stuff' itself. 

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April 21, 2016, 03:28:12 AM
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yeah but my point is the liberals have taken over the conservative icons of our history. This represents an unacceptable slap in the face to the conservatives. They are nearing the point of mass revolt. The USA will split along liberal and conservative divides. The southern Bible belt will break away.

Nearing the point of disorder and social unrest yes but break away? I am skeptical that an overall population dependent on government will do this. The general public has no understanding of fundamental etiology and thus lack the ability to advocate for coherent solutions. They are simply angry. They will push for and support people with 'answers'.

In this election cycle both Trump and Sanders are trying to capitalize on this anger Trump via appeals to nationalism and Sanders by appeals to socialism and redistribution. Nationalism is dying but it may just be alive enough to win one last election cycle. Even if Trump wins, however, I believe it will change little maybe delay the inevitable for a few years if that. The near future for better or worse belongs to people like Sanders. This will be the case until the demographics fundamentally change and allow for something better which will take a long time.

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April 21, 2016, 07:24:55 AM
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yeah but my point is the liberals have taken over the conservative icons of our history. This represents an unacceptable slap in the face to the conservatives. They are nearing the point of mass revolt. The USA will split along liberal and conservative divides. The southern Bible belt will break away.

Nearing the point of disorder and social unrest yes but break away? I am skeptical that an overall population dependent on government will do this. The general public has no understanding of fundamental etiology and thus lack the ability to advocate for coherent solutions. They are simply angry. They will push for and support people with 'answers'.

In this election cycle both Trump and Sanders are trying to capitalize on this anger Trump via appeals to nationalism and Sanders by appeals to socialism and redistribution. Nationalism is dying but it may just be alive enough to win one last election cycle. Even if Trump wins, however, I believe it will change little maybe delay the inevitable for a few years if that. The near future for better or worse belongs to people like Sanders. This will be the case until the demographics fundamentally change and allow for something better which will take a long time.

Not all Americans are dependent on the government. And these conservatives are pissed off. They will not tolerate being forced to pay taxes to support the rest. And this will grow as taxes increase.

The liberals will stay with the government and will bankrupt it, as the conservatives will refuse to pay for it, and break (defect en mass organized) away.

Armstrong's model will not be incorrect.

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Not all Americans are dependent on the government. And these conservatives are pissed off. They will not tolerate being forced to pay taxes to support the rest. And this will grow as taxes increase.

The liberals will stay with the government and will bankrupt it, as the conservatives will refuse to pay for it, and break (defect en mass organized) away.

Armstrong's model will not be incorrect.

Maybe, but from what I have seen most of the south is very much dependent on centralized government handouts.

Lets look at the states with the most food stamp recipients.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2015/01/17/cheat-sheet-states-with-most-food-stamps/21877399/

#1. Washington DC: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 21.97%
#2. Mississippi: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 21.74%
#3. New Mexico: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 21.5%
#4. West Virginia: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 19.96%
#6. Tennessee: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 19.58%
#7. Louisiana: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 18.67%

Now lets look at the states that are most dependent on federal spending overall
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

#1 Mississippi
#2 New Mexico   
#3 Alabama
#4 Louisiana
#5 Tennessee

So you have 20% of the population dependent on the government just for food aid. That does not include dependence due to health care and retirement benefits or everything else.  Most Americans are now dependent on the government financially and this is true of the south as well.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2014/07/02/weve-crossed-the-tipping-point-most-americans-now-receive-government-benefits/#1b67102c6233

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perhaps 52 percent of U.S. households—more than half—now receive benefits from the government

This dependency is true of red states also. Breaking away would disrupt the supply of 'free stuff' so I am very skeptical it will ever happen.

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April 21, 2016, 08:05:12 PM
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Not all Americans are dependent on the government. And these conservatives are pissed off. They will not tolerate being forced to pay taxes to support the rest. And this will grow as taxes increase.

The liberals will stay with the government and will bankrupt it, as the conservatives will refuse to pay for it, and break (defect en mass organized) away.

Armstrong's model will not be incorrect.

Maybe, but from what I have seen most of the south is very much dependent on centralized government handouts.

Lets look at the states with the most food stamp recipients.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2015/01/17/cheat-sheet-states-with-most-food-stamps/21877399/

#1. Washington DC: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 21.97%
#2. Mississippi: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 21.74%
#3. New Mexico: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 21.5%
#4. West Virginia: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 19.96%
#6. Tennessee: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 19.58%
#7. Louisiana: Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 18.67%

Now lets look at the states that are most dependent on federal spending overall
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

#1 Mississippi
#2 New Mexico   
#3 Alabama
#4 Louisiana
#5 Tennessee

So you have 20% of the population dependent on the government just for food aid. That does not include dependence due to health care and retirement benefits or everything else.  Most Americans are now dependent on the government financially and this is true of the south as well.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2014/07/02/weve-crossed-the-tipping-point-most-americans-now-receive-government-benefits/#1b67102c6233

Quote from: forbes
perhaps 52 percent of U.S. households—more than half—now receive benefits from the government

This dependency is true of red states also. Breaking away would disrupt the supply of 'free stuff' so I am very skeptical it will ever happen.

Chop off Houston and give it to Lousiana (or just make it inhospitable and they will migrate over to Louisiana), then Texas is ready to be its own country. And Texans view themselves more as Texans than they do as Americans. Have you been there? I lived there from 2001 - 2003.

They love their guns, God, and large pickup trucks.

The food stamps correlate with inner city mess and frankly with African Americans in the South (and the "cheap white trash" that has joined with them) whose work ethic was destroyed by the welfare system. Before welfare, the negros were hard working. After, they sat around the porch, got drunk, and the females produced entire absentee father(less) families (with numerous fathers per female).

This is not racist. This is a fact.

I was born in New Orleans and I attended those inner city public schools. I know first hand the situation. I've driven through Houston several times. Don't get me wrong, the majority of African Americans have elevated themselves with college education, etc.., and they will be welcome to migrate to the New Republic of Texas. I was so pleasantly shocked when I was at the UNO library in 1991 to see so many studious African American students.

So I see mass migration where conservatives move to majority conservative States that crack down and defect. And liberals migrating to the liberal States.

Yeah disintegration of the USA into regions.

Humans want self-determination. It is viewed as a fundamental right.

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April 21, 2016, 08:11:27 PM
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I was a Texas resident from 1974 - 1981.  Loved it there.  It's very true that Texas feels like its own country, Texas would be fine by itself, they could be self-sufficient if need be.  And they very much love their liberty.  Do not try to take their guns, pickups and Bibles away from them.

I would amend TPTB's suggestion: add Beaumont (etc.) and all land between Houston and the SW Louisiana border and cede it to LA.

Also, everyone in Texas knows who the losers and the lazy are...  But, they (generally) celebrate those who make it into the Middle Class and act like adults.
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Incorrect. It rarely ends that way. Only for entirely broken regimes. Sorry Armstrong has all the data. He invested $1 billion collecting it.

In another thread you predict USA will break into regions. Is this not the definition of an entirely broken regime?

Edit: let me give you a quick, incomplete hint. Read Armstrong for the many details and points. The failed regimes were due to dictatorship and/or a bankrupt ideology (e.g. communism in the Weimar Republic).  When the population remains very productive and the debt is actually quite small (e.g. the debt is only $19 trillion in the USA but the productive capacity of the people is that much or more per year), then the society is not failed. We are going to see transition to a world reserve currency. This is not about total failure of government, except Europe is trying hard to achieve that again. China, Russia, USA, Canada, Australia, etc are no where near failed societies.

There is nothing new in the concept of world reserve currency. It can have many components this time, this doesn't change anything in how individual countries manage their economies and their budgets. Individual countries are pretty bad. For bankrupt ideology we have the welfare state. The productive population is shrinking, the liabilities of the governments are growing, you even said this yourself up thread, and there comes a point where society fails unable to bear the weight of liabilities. Enter hyper inflation.

I have read quite a lot of Armstrong, I don't agree with everything.

What is happening is the productive people are breaking free from the unproductive. This is why we need a world reserve currency that no country can abuse.

The elite are doing creative destruction on the nation-state central  banks and currencies. But the productive sector will refuse to become socialists. My X gen is giving the middle finger to that.

Socialism is failing. Those with that ideology will fail. It is not an ideology held by everyone not like in Weimar Germany when everyone was tears and in love with the almighty Socalists and then Hitler. Those who disagreed, were unable to mount any defense nor defection.

I suggest you review this post about Texans and Texas:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1049048.msg14621869#msg14621869

trollercoaster had a similar post about rural Australians.

The Internet makes it possible for us to communicate to each other. Ideological, propaganda shit can't be hoisted on us who are awake. Trump is proving many people are awake. They read blogs.

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Chop off Houston and give it to Lousiana (or just make it inhospitable and they will migrate over to Louisiana), then Texas is ready to be its own country. And Texans view themselves more as Texans than they do as Americans. Have you been there? I lived there from 2001 - 2003.

They love their guns, God, and large pickup trucks.

The food stamps correlate with inner city mess and frankly with African Americans in the South (and the "cheap white trash" that has joined with them) whose work ethic was destroyed by the welfare system. Before welfare, the negros were hard working. After, they sat around the porch, got drunk, and the females produced entire absentee father(less) families (with numerous fathers per female).

This is not racist. This is a fact.

I was born in New Orleans and I attended those inner city public schools. I know first hand the situation. I've driven through Houston several times. Don't get me wrong, the majority of African Americans have elevated themselves with college education, etc.., and they will be welcome to migrate to the New Republic of Texas. I was so pleasantly shocked when I was at the UNO library in 1991 to see so many studious African American students.

So I see mass migration where conservatives move to majority conservative States that crack down and defect. And liberals migrating to the liberal States.

Yeah disintegration of the USA into regions.

Humans want self-determination. It is viewed as a fundamental right.

I live two hours from Dallas.  While what you say about Texas was defiantly true 10 to 15 years ago and still is to some extent it's rapidly changing.  Due to the high price of housing & taxes in California a LOT of people & businesses have migrated to Dallas.  People are coming in droves and buying houses with cash.  Of course their west coast liberalism with them.  If you go to south Texas far enough (Laredo) Spanish is more common than English.  Austin has become ground zero for the new hipster capitol of the world.

What you say is still true - but less so and will continue to shrink over the next decade.  I did make a trip down the i35 corridor to Austin a several weeks ago & the road construction and growth is absolutely insane.  There was a big music concert and apparently Obama showed up to try to explain to all the hipsters why it was necessary for Apple to build the FBI a program to decrypt the iphone.  Hipsters were astonished and felt terrible that Obama was uninformed ... they were sure he didn't understand what he was asking for.
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Chop off Houston and give it to Lousiana (or just make it inhospitable and they will migrate over to Louisiana), then Texas is ready to be its own country. And Texans view themselves more as Texans than they do as Americans. Have you been there? I lived there from 2001 - 2003.

They love their guns, God, and large pickup trucks.

The food stamps correlate with inner city mess and frankly with African Americans in the South (and the "cheap white trash" that has joined with them) whose work ethic was destroyed by the welfare system. Before welfare, the negros were hard working. After, they sat around the porch, got drunk, and the females produced entire absentee father(less) families (with numerous fathers per female).

This is not racist. This is a fact.

I was born in New Orleans and I attended those inner city public schools. I know first hand the situation. I've driven through Houston several times. Don't get me wrong, the majority of African Americans have elevated themselves with college education, etc.., and they will be welcome to migrate to the New Republic of Texas. I was so pleasantly shocked when I was at the UNO library in 1991 to see so many studious African American students.

So I see mass migration where conservatives move to majority conservative States that crack down and defect. And liberals migrating to the liberal States.

Yeah disintegration of the USA into regions.

Humans want self-determination. It is viewed as a fundamental right.

I live two hours from Dallas.  While what you say about Texas was defiantly true 10 to 15 years ago and still is to some extent it's rapidly changing.  Due to the high price of housing & taxes in California a LOT of people & businesses have migrated to Dallas.  People are coming in droves and buying houses with cash.  Of course their west coast liberalism with them.  If you go to south Texas far enough (Laredo) Spanish is more common than English.  Austin has become ground zero for the new hipster capitol of the world.

What you say is still true - but less so and will continue to shrink over the next decade.  I did make a trip down the i35 corridor to Austin a few several weeks ago & the road construction and growth is absolutely insane.  There was a big music concert and apparently Obama showed up to try to explain to all the hipsters why it was necessary for Apple to build the FBI a program to decrypt the iphone.  Hipsters were astonished and felt terrible that Obama was uninformed ... they were sure he didn't understand what he was asking for.


A pity that (all the hipsters and FSA moving in), to lose the one seriously large state that is independent minded.  They flee California, Illinois, New York..., yet they instantly want to Californicate the place, to make it "just like home".  My best friend still lives in Houston, he is beginning to hate it now...

I would NOT have guessed that the young hipsters know so little about what liberty and freedom are really all about.  Such naivete voting for 0bama.

Guess we're screwed.  <=== Hey, that's why I started this thread!
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Chop off Houston and give it to Lousiana (or just make it inhospitable and they will migrate over to Louisiana), then Texas is ready to be its own country. And Texans view themselves more as Texans than they do as Americans. Have you been there? I lived there from 2001 - 2003.

They love their guns, God, and large pickup trucks.

The food stamps correlate with inner city mess and frankly with African Americans in the South (and the "cheap white trash" that has joined with them) whose work ethic was destroyed by the welfare system. Before welfare, the negros were hard working. After, they sat around the porch, got drunk, and the females produced entire absentee father(less) families (with numerous fathers per female).

This is not racist. This is a fact.

I was born in New Orleans and I attended those inner city public schools. I know first hand the situation. I've driven through Houston several times. Don't get me wrong, the majority of African Americans have elevated themselves with college education, etc.., and they will be welcome to migrate to the New Republic of Texas. I was so pleasantly shocked when I was at the UNO library in 1991 to see so many studious African American students.

So I see mass migration where conservatives move to majority conservative States that crack down and defect. And liberals migrating to the liberal States.

Yeah disintegration of the USA into regions.

Humans want self-determination. It is viewed as a fundamental right.

I live two hours from Dallas.  While what you say about Texas was defiantly true 10 to 15 years ago and still is to some extent it's rapidly changing.  Due to the high price of housing & taxes in California a LOT of people & businesses have migrated to Dallas.  People are coming in droves and buying houses with cash.  Of course their west coast liberalism with them.  If you go to south Texas far enough (Laredo) Spanish is more common than English.  Austin has become ground zero for the new hipster capitol of the world.

What you say is still true - but less so and will continue to shrink over the next decade.  I did make a trip down the i35 corridor to Austin a few several weeks ago & the road construction and growth is absolutely insane.  There was a big music concert and apparently Obama showed up to try to explain to all the hipsters why it was necessary for Apple to build the FBI a program to decrypt the iphone.  Hipsters were astonished and felt terrible that Obama was uninformed ... they were sure he didn't understand what he was asking for.

A pity that (all the hipsters and FSA moving in), to lose the one seriously large state that is independent minded.  They flee California, Illinois, New York..., yet they instantly want to Californicate the place, to make it "just like home".  My best friend still lives in Houston, he is beginning to hate it now...

I would NOT have guessed that the young hipsters know so little about what liberty and freedom are really all about.  Such naivete voting for 0bama.

Guess we're screwed.  <=== Hey, that's why I started this thread!

Yeah I made a post recently about how the subprime lending is back in the suburbs around Austin, as there are lower-income, no-down loans for new suburbs springing up like wild flowers with good schools.

But these people apparently have jobs. Thus they are the working class, not the food stamps class.

When the interest rates head up, they lose their house and their jobs in the global economic contagion, many of them are not going to vote to raise their own State taxes. Texas has no income tax.

Latinos are hard working and many of them are not into the food stamp class.

I think we will find that Texas will roll up its sleeves and get to work, and not agree to tax themselves to death. I think Texas will choose to offer incentives for hi-tech firms to relocate there and lower taxes, instead of raising them. I think they will perhaps declare Obamacare null and void within Texas, so companies will relocate there.

It is going to be interesting to observe what happens.

I think the people who left California understand California is broken. These people are proactive enough and don't just sit in California and leech the system. Who would leave the wonderful climate of California for that inferno of Texas if not because they realize California is horribly broken.

The boomer hippies moved from California to Oregon and Washington State. These are the diehard socialists, but they also have a work ethic which may be their saving grace if they loose their bleeding heart for supporting the food stamp class nationwide.

The X gens (and Millennials) are moving to Texas. This is my generation. We are much more pragmatic.

My X generation is going to make its mark finally by saying "enough!" to the boomers being in control. We've always had to be independent because the boomers abandoned us.

Mexico is one of the strongest economies going forward. I think we can see Texas and Mexico in economic synergies. Texas is well set up to be the most economically buoyant area of the United States. i think they will realize as the shit hits the fan, they don't want the rest of the USA parasiting on Texas.

I think when Hellary steals the election, that will be the wake up call.

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In his book, Fast Future, author David Burstein describes Millennials' approach to social change as "pragmatic idealism," a deep desire to make the world a better place combined with an understanding that doing so requires building new institutions while working inside and outside existing institutions.

A 2014 poll for the libertarian Reason magazine suggested that US Millennials were social liberals and fiscal centrists more often than their global peers. The magazine predicted that millennials would become more conservative on fiscal issues once they started paying taxes.

Don't mistake the social issues liberalism of Millennials with their fiscal conservatism. They chose Texas instead of the NorthWet because they want to do it differently than their boomer parents who have taken control over the NorthWet (Oregon and WA State).

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If you want self reliance - the state you're looking for is Alaska.

I love the people of Alaska (Montana is good too).  Think Texas isn't going to live up to your expectations.

BTW ... I went to New Orleans with my GF and her flaming gay bff (worst mistake ever).  Don't envy anyone who had to grow up in that shithole.


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Na .... I'm talking about all the Bernie lovers I meet. 
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If you want self reliance - the state you're looking for is Alaska.

Tried that already (Philippines) and you can see how well it worked out for me.  Undecided

I love the people of Alaska (Montana is good too).  Think Texas isn't going to live up to your expectations.

I am talking about how the society will segregate into those who can't agree with each other. I am pointing out to not conflate social liberalism with fiscal liberalism.

BTW ... I went to New Orleans with my GF and her flaming gay bff (worst mistake ever).  Don't envy anyone who had to grow up in that shithole.

Hahaha. Yeah but there was time when the Jazz and culture was really raw and real, but it is mostly just a shithole now with the redeeming qualities (the remaining creole culture) not at the commercialized junctures that you would see if just passing through.

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Don't mistake the social issues liberalism of Millennials with their fiscal conservatism. They chose Texas instead of the NorthWet because they want to do it differently than their boomer parents who have taken control over the NorthWet (Oregon and WA State).

Na .... I'm talking about all the Bernie lovers I meet.  

That is precisely my point. Bernie is the social liberal version of Trump. They are both attacking the bankers and both are making unrealistic fiscal promises.

The Millennials have always been immature for their age. They've got the part down now about the bankers fucking us over, but they haven't yet learned the reality of not balancing the budget. When they lose their social security entirely and the economy goes belly up in 2018, they will start to grow up real fast and then we will see. I don't think they will support piling on more socialism to try to solve the problem. If they are that incapable of learning, then maybe the entire USA will get sucked down.

But there is this little problem. There are a lot of conservative Americans with guns. And they are not going to let the government rape them. When the shit hits the fan, they will take control. Stoic guns versus giggling faggots and I think you know who will be the boss.

I don't know yet for sure where the conservatives are going to congregate to make their stand. Maybe you are correct they will all migrate to Montana, but I doubt it. And I have no doubt whatsoever that they are not going to lay over and let the socialism run all over them.

The government can't kill millions of armed Americans. The elite will be forced into a stalemate same as at Bundy Ranch. The armed Americans will simply refuse to recognize the authority of the government. Bundy Ranch is a small example of what is coming on a much larger scale.

The conversatives have been waiting for this for a long time. They are hoping the confrontation comes soon as possible (because we ain't gettin' any youngeryonder).

https://www.google.com/search?q=Millennials+are+selfish

https://www.google.com/search?q=millennials+fiscally+conservative

There is another possibility which is that States like Texas become more prosperous and don't need any additional socialism. The Federal government may try to force prosperous States to pay for failing States such as Illinois. So we might have the Millennials saying "hell yeah, I don't want to pay for those in Illinois". So it could be the Millennials are more self-centered than their boomer parents and less idealistic about sharing. The boomers went through Vietnam and they believed in the power of government to reshape society, e.g. feminism to uplift women and anti-discrimination to liberate minorities. Me thinks the Millenials only care about themselves because they were spoiled like fuck by their rich boomer parents who suddenly had second batch of children at an older age and tried to correct their mistakes for abandoning us X gen which they gave birth too when they were young and being hippies. We X gen were the flower children (you know sexual liberation). The Y gens were the "we've matured now, let's try again" children.

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Excellent comments TPTB.  I even "borrowed" (copied) some of the above to send to 57 people on my mass-email list (see your PM).

I have yet to convince my wife that New Orleans is a dangerous dump, one of my "Virtual Friends" was robbed at gunpoint a year or so ago (he and his wife were there as tourists, they were robbed in the French Quarter one evening).

Indeed, there does not seem to be a Libertarian Paradise waiting for us...
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The Millennials have always been immature for their age. They've got the part down now about the bankers fucking us over, but they haven't yet learned the reality of not balancing the budget. When they lose their social security entirely and the economy goes belly up in 2018, they will start to grow up real fast and then we will see. I don't think they will support piling on more socialism to try to solve the problem. If they are that incapable of learning, then maybe the entire USA will get sucked down.

But there is this little problem. There are a lot of conservative Americans with guns. And they are not going to let the government rape them. When the shit hits the fan, they will take control. Stoic guns versus giggling faggots and I think you know who will be the boss.

I don't know yet for sure where the conservatives are going to congregate to make their stand. Maybe you are correct they will all migrate to Montana, but I doubt it. And I have no doubt whatsoever that they are not going to lay over and let the socialism run all over them.

The government can't kill millions of armed Americans. The elite will be forced into a stalemate same as at Bundy Ranch. The armed Americans will simply refuse to recognize the authority of the government. Bundy Ranch is a small example of what is coming on a much larger scale.

The conversatives have been waiting for this for a long time. They are hoping the confrontation comes soon as possible (because we ain't gettin' any youngeryonder).
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I would counter this argument with another argument made by iamback some time ago  Wink

Correcting false (strawman) dichotomies

CoinCube, my point from the outset of the recent discussion with you et al, was that no one can fight socialism by trying to get the entire country (nor West) to reverse course. "Slowing socialism down" is another collectivized ideal, thus antithetical to the truth. Precisely the problem with collectivism is that there can be only one direction (no degrees-of-freedom).

Rather decentralized self-sufficiency actions (e.g. finding gainful vocation in the Knowledge Age in a way that prevents the State from expropriating your earnings) that better you and yours do in fact slow socialism down, but not because that collective goal was your motivation. As soon as a person bases their actions around a collective goal at nation-state scope (e.g. we must politically stop the expropriation), they are no longer prioritizing decentralized maximum-division-of-labor knowledge formation and have become a socialist.

I am just telling everyone to give up on that patriotic crap, because it can't be orthogonal to collectivism. Instead view yourself as a citizen of your own sovereign world, not of a country of your compatriot slaves. Why be a slave to a country?

Instead be clever about maximizing your and yours situation.

There is no fundamental difference between fighting to "slow socialism down" by trying to get the entire country (or West) to reverse course. And fighting to "slowing socialism down" by getting a portion of a country ie Texas to reverse course. The arguments above by iamback apply just as much to the state as they do to the nation.

In what way are these mutually exclusive? Provided one does not neglect personal decentralized self-sufficiency why shouldn't a rational actor in our current environment also participate in the local collective and attempt to restrain said collective. To do otherwise is to yield the floor to those who will make decentralized self-sufficiency more difficult to achieve.

Because you will waste time and effort that could have been used to actually achieve it without being slave (dependent) on what the State does. And you will not stop the State from spiraling into the abyss, because the majority is going to demand expropriation. You can't suddenly change the situation of the majority. The majority has no other option and all the (political or even violent) fighting you do can't give them another option.

The economic reality and trajectory was written into stone decades ago. It can't be altered. The economic reality is what it is.

My advice to everyone is pay off all your debt because in a deflationary collapse that is underway (see oil under $50 today!) the government can take your assets and leave you with debt to pay but no assets to pay with. And debtor's prisons are returning. Even though I was reduced to near pauper, I prioritized paying off my credit card debts in 2014 and did pay $20,000 of it off for less than $10,000 by accepting best offers for negotiated settlement. I only have about $2000 of debt remaining (except that my ex took out a $25,000 student loan recently and I don't know if the USA will try to pin that on me).

Also radically reduce the risk to unjust IRS audits and assessments, because these will become more common.

Also radically reduce the risk to lawsuits, because these will become more common as westerners get desperate.

Then the next priority is to align your vocation with the Knowledge Age and so you have income even during global economic collapse and your skills are transportable to any location you might choose to move to as the chaos takes form.

Gold can become an albatross around your neck, because you can't reliably and easily move it internationally. In fact, I lost much of my wealth because I couldn't physically carry my 18,000oz with me from USA to the Philippines, and so I had to trust others and that is one facet of where the losses accrued over time.

There is a third possibility to a breakup as envisioned above. That possibility is that the entire world is consumed by varying degrees of socialism with a few pockets here are there being less socialist than others. 

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CoinCube is going to get me stop working on coding, hehe. I love those discussions with him and hope I can engage him again not too long from now on the many new theories he has been writing about.

I don't retract those iamback quotes.

As usual, I have a more complex viewpoint which really requires me to take significant time to articulate, as I had one in those essays of mine that CoinCube had cited in the OP of the Economic Devastation. I haven't had time to write like that recently and I don't anticipate having that time over next months because I am so busy on trying to get JAMBOX rolling.

For now, I can only make a very superficial reply, which is to remind CoinCube of his post wherein he astutely pointed out that the new world order had to increase the entropy of mankind, not decrease it. The iamback quotes are referring to the death of the nation-state socialism models we have now. I would not waste my time fighting for Texas because my opportunity cost is too high. But for many Texans, that is all they have to fight for. They don't have my software engineering talent nor my mobility. So many more things I would like to say, but I don't have time to wrap my mind around fully and articulate. My brain is too deep in programming language theory, which is about as far up the computer science ladder you can get.

P.S. I think I will soon be announcing that I am cured from my 4 year chronic illness! Seriously! Having very, very excellent health signs. It seems the sublingual oregano oil was the cure. Am back to eating what ever I like again. Not getting sick from eating any foods as I had been for the past year (and to some extent I was always getting bad symptoms after eating for past 4 years).

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CoinCube is going to get me stop working on coding, hehe. I love those discussions with him and hope I can engage him again not too long from now on the many new theories he has been writing about.

I don't retract those iamback quotes.

As usual, I have a more complex viewpoint which really requires me to take significant time to articulate, as I had one in those essays of mine that CoinCube had cited in the OP of the Economic Devastation. I haven't had time to write like that recently and I don't anticipate having that time over next months because I am so busy on trying to get JAMBOX rolling.

For now, I can only make a very superficial reply, which is to remind CoinCube of his post wherein he astutely pointed out that the new world order had to increase the entropy of mankind, not decrease it. The iamback quotes are referring to the death of the nation-state socialism models we have now. I would not waste my time fighting for Texas because my opportunity cost is too high. But for many Texans, that is all they have to fight for. They don't have my software engineering talent nor my mobility. So many more things I would like to say, but I don't have time to wrap my mind around fully and articulate. My brain is too deep in programming language theory, which is about as far up the computer science ladder you can get.

P.S. I think I will soon be announcing that I am cured from my 4 year chronic illness! Seriously! Having very, very excellent health signs. It seems the sublingual oregano oil was the cure. Am back to eating what ever I like again. Not getting sick from eating any foods as I had been for the past year (and to some extent I was always getting bad symptoms after eating for past 4 years).


We ought to put you two on a stage, and have at it (intellectual discussion) with an auditorium full of Philosophy, Poli Sci and Law School professors...

We are all happy to hear that you are back to good health, TPTB.  Now don't go and ruin it by exercising too hard right away.  Take it easy (although I suppose your brain would still appreciate its normal high-level functioning).
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We ought to put you two on a stage, and have at it (intellectual discussion) with an auditorium full of Philosophy, Poli Sci and Law School professors...

Ha ha isn't that more or less where we are now?  Grin


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