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April 03, 2016, 02:49:29 AM
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MA is also expecting the climate to drop rapidly which is why I suggest growing food indoors.

Here is some yummy bread deep fried in machine oil which the plebs ate during the seige of Leningrad, it may seem nuts to imagine this scenario but shit happens..



I`d rather eat the rats from the basement than to eat that crap Cheesy

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I would have to be very hungry to eat little rodents.  I had "Cui" (guinea pig) up in the Andes of Peru once, very greasy and once was enough.

Bread deep fried in machine oil?  That might be different!  Bearings just love machine oil.
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I would have to be very hungry to eat little rodents.  I had "Cui" (guinea pig) up in the Andes of Peru once, very greasy and once was enough.

Bread deep fried in machine oil?  That might be different!  Bearings just love machine oil.

That picture literally looks like dried out horse shit, one must be very crazy to eat that.

You can grow tomatoes easily in your house, grab some flour and make bread for it, it can be an emergency food in times of collapse, and it can also taste acceptable.

But even if a financial meltdown will happen, i dont think it will be fatal from food perspective.

Governments will introduce rationing, and will give everyone daily 1 bread, 1 butter, 1 small slice of pigmeat, and 1 cup of milk, just like in good old communism Cheesy

"Beware what you wish because it might come true"

Those spoiled people will taste how evil communism is.

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I would have to be very hungry to eat little rodents.  I had "Cui" (guinea pig) up in the Andes of Peru once, very greasy and once was enough.

Bread deep fried in machine oil?  That might be different!  Bearings just love machine oil.

That picture literally looks like dried out horse shit, one must be very crazy to eat that.

You can grow tomatoes easily in your house, grab some flour and make bread for it, it can be an emergency food in times of collapse, and it can also taste acceptable.

But even if a financial meltdown will happen, i dont think it will be fatal from food perspective.

Governments will introduce rationing, and will give everyone daily 1 bread, 1 butter, 1 small slice of pigmeat, and 1 cup of milk, just like in good old communism Cheesy
When you're hungry enough, you'll eat anything. During the siege of Leningrad, I would certainly expect people who were starving to eat that. As long as it has some semblance of food, you can eat it, right?
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April 03, 2016, 04:52:56 AM
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When you're hungry enough, you'll eat anything. During the siege of Leningrad, I would certainly expect people who were starving to eat that. As long as it has some semblance of food, you can eat it, right?

It's communism what did you expect, utopia? Cheesy

I`m trying to explain here, how evil the leftist regimes are, because they wreck the economy so much that they will make everyone starve.

So either in ww2 leningrad or soon in the future they will unfortunately experience it, a rationing economy is exactly a dirty communist agenda.

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When you're hungry enough, you'll eat anything. During the siege of Leningrad, I would certainly expect people who were starving to eat that. As long as it has some semblance of food, you can eat it, right?

It's communism what did you expect, utopia? Cheesy

I`m trying to explain here, how evil the leftist regimes are, because they wreck the economy so much that they will make everyone starve.

So either in ww2 leningrad or soon in the future they will unfortunately experience it, a rationing economy is exactly a dirty communist agenda.
Well, Bernie Sanders did say one time he liked seeing ration lines because it meant "the rich weren't getting all the food", so I think the rationing economy could be in the near future if Sanders gets elected.

I agree 100%, I despise leftist regimes, and I seriously hope that nothing happens in the states that would cause a leftist slip to occur. Being leftist on social issues is fine, IMO anyways, but severe socialist economies don't really work.
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April 03, 2016, 07:25:25 AM
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I thought your first priority is getting out of medical school debt, before worrying about preserving wealth you don't yet have

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Largest in numbers I think will be India. Largest in monetary value probably China. I understand it adds a skill, I just worry about the exclusionary emphasis. I ponder you may be top-down planning your children's interests too much. Why not learn Latin, Spanish, and Chinese. I was taught Latin and French in high school.

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Believing in what can't be falsified is a delusion. One can't make a rational assessment of what they can't measure.
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Yep getting out of debt is the higher priority but I do have a very modest position in Bitcoin the operative word being modest.

It's relatively effortless for young children to pick up a second language at a young age so it's logical to teach them one. Chinese is not the only choice. As you mentioned Spanish is also probably a good choice. My goal is to give my children the broadest and deepest set of tools I can. What they do with those tools will be their decision.

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All of metaphysics is essentially assumptions that cannot be falsified. To call metaphysics a delusion is very similar to calling all knowledge a delusion. Better to call such things a priori assumptions or non falsifiable theory.

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What is the relationship between science and metaphysics?

Metaphysics and science try to explain what there is in the world. How are they related? Traditionally metaphysics is “a priory” whereas science is “a posteriori” i.e. metaphysics is non-empiric while science is empiric. Two modern views about the nature of metaphysics are:

i) Metaphysics is prior to science and to empiric knowledge (E.J. Lowe (1998)), i.e. metaphysics do not tells what there is but what is possible. It is science job to discover which one among all possibilities is the actual one. Science without the help of metaphysics cannot tell what is possible unless science become metaphysics.

ii) Metaphysics and science go together in search of knowledge. This position (Putnam (1992)) states that metaphysics is possible but only when understood as “a posteriori” activity, i.e. the division between science and metaphysics is not that one is empiric and the other “a priori”. Metaphysics goes side by side with science. While science deals with specific situations, metaphysics deals with general matters, e.g. While a scientist talk about “nature laws”, a metaphysicist will study what are the characteristics that make a statement to qualify as a law. In this way metaphysics is -like everything else- “a posteriori”, but with a peculiar abstract character.

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April 03, 2016, 07:32:23 AM
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When you're hungry enough, you'll eat anything. During the siege of Leningrad, I would certainly expect people who were starving to eat that. As long as it has some semblance of food, you can eat it, right?

Here is a short but interesting youtube video that shows the battle lines in Europe each day of WWII.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVEy1tC7nk

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April 03, 2016, 08:06:56 AM
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Yep getting out of debt is the higher priority but I do have a very modest position in Bitcoin the operative word being modest.

Having just $1000 in Bitcoin and making the right decision of which altcoin to trade for at the right time could potentially entirely erase your debt. This is what we call rational speculation. But you need to make sure you see the same sort of adoption and momentum that we saw developing for Bitcoin in 2012 and 2013. As you know, a level head and not a rash impulse is very important when speculating. And never speculating with more money than you can afford to lose.

So far, I haven't seen such an altcoin. No CC other than Bitcoin has been widely used as a currency.

Of course there have been unsustainable gains made in altcoins due to speculation but these are very hard to predict unless you buying low and just waiting for a manipulated pump by the insiders who control the float due to some ICO/premine/instamine scheme.

The US stock market would be at most a double (100% gain) from roughly mid-2016 to Fall 2017. So it isn't likely to erase your debt. Employing leverage increases risk of return of capital.

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April 03, 2016, 09:27:27 PM
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It's likely that "neither a debtor nor a lender be" needs some further
explanation, though I should point out that money was not the intended
focus of my earlier post.

If you are in business, borrowing and lending (extending credit) is
unavoidable. It goes with the territory. The advice really makes the
point that you should avoid placing your future in someone else's hands,
and most certainly to avoid borrowing in order to extend a loan
because bankers have that enterprise sewn up. 

Today, much of the stigma is gone from being in debt, and the linkage
between debt and prison is gone. While forms of slavery still exist
in the world today, to most of humanity, the idea of owning another
person is repugnant. This enlightenment is recent, less than 200 years,
and is perhaps the result of machines costing less than people. That
makes it the benign face of Capitalism.

Regarding the question of why the quantity of money must increase,
the time preference of consumers and others is the answer. See here :
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-01/path-final-crisis
"Market interest rates consist of the natural interest rate plus two
additional components: a price (or inflation) premium that reflects the
expected decline in money's purchasing power, and a risk premium or
entrepreneurial profit premium that reflects the perceptions of lenders
of a borrower's creditworthiness and generates an entrepreneurial profit
for those engaged in lending."

Maybe later I'll write something on the return of privilege (separate
legal status) for the Elite in Europe and elsewhere, to keep things on-topic. 
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Haha http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371861/NHS-director-dies-operation-cancelled-times-hospital.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickgleason/2016/04/03/vt-taxhikes/#1edc9aa66ff4

http://www.businessinsider.com/tepper-move-hurts-new-jersey-2016-4
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April 03, 2016, 10:01:46 PM
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It's likely that "neither a debtor nor a lender be" needs some further
explanation, though I should point out that money was not the intended
focus of my earlier post.

I think lending is unavoidable, but it must be considered as an investment, not as a boumerang of money.

The money might not come back, so the lender must be cautious.


If you are in business, borrowing and lending (extending credit) is
unavoidable. It goes with the territory. The advice really makes the
point that you should avoid placing your future in someone else's hands,
and most certainly to avoid borrowing in order to extend a loan
because bankers have that enterprise sewn up.

Thats the ponzi that the bankers play, they leverage themselves up, and never earn real profit.

And when they collapse ,the taxpayer comes to rescue.

 

Today, much of the stigma is gone from being in debt, and the linkage
between debt and prison is gone. While forms of slavery still exist
in the world today, to most of humanity, the idea of owning another
person is repugnant. This enlightenment is recent, less than 200 years,
and is perhaps the result of machines costing less than people. That
makes it the benign face of Capitalism.

I think debt is not evil, and in my view it should only be done with collateral.

If you need a loan for a house, your mortgage some asset + say 20% of your salary for 10 years.

However the non-collateral loans are the slavery. You need quick cash, you get it, and then you must repay it "or we put you in debt prison where you must work for free to repay it and take your kidney". Now that is slavery and one of the evils of the corporate world.


Those payday loans, shark loans, and other scammers should go away, because they only put gasoline on the fire.

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April 03, 2016, 10:11:07 PM
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you have to understand the internet wont be around forever just cherish the magic of internet economics while its still possible for you to make free unregulated money because some day you might face true totalitarianism then you wont have this to take for granted anymore my friend
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April 04, 2016, 07:35:41 AM
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Come on now boys. If you are so sure this is not a scam, then make your sworn disclosures about your involvement in it. Are you afraid of future SEC and FinCEN actions and thus afraid to disclosure. Hmmm.

Stop obfuscating with off topic diversionary tactics.

I am trying to rescue you idiots. But you are determined to dig own pathway to jail.

Wake up and see the light pronto for your own sake.

Thank you for your interest, if genuine. However, to quote Hillary Clinton (since you mentioned the Clintons a lot in some of your posts):

"It’s a stark fact that the United States has less than five percent of the world’s population, yet we have almost 25 percent of the world’s total prison population."

I'm in the 95%+ of the global population (=non US citizen). I'm also unaffected by the prison-mania of the USA, FinCEN, SEC etc. Not that if I were affected I would have something to worry about.

Come-from-Beyond (who is in Belarus) make a similar line of argument to me.

It seems to me that those who grew up in these (former?) Communist states developed a culture of theft, because that was the only way to game the totalitarian system. We all know that Communism is a philosophy of stealing from each other.

And now they blame that on the Americans who worked more diligently and with attention to quality and pride in one's work, than any other nation except perhaps Japan. Globalist leaders insinuate it is okay for your to steal to take back from the evil Americans who took more than their fair share. They urge you to continue the Communist paradigm of ganging up on your neighbor.

I call on American software developers to take the high ground and show the world our cultural heritage and values. Let's teach these Eastern Europeans why America kicks ass with productivity and trying to do the right thing.

Now I will surely agree with you that so many Americans have become dysfunctional Socialists and are milking the reserve currency status. And I will agree with you that American leaders have abused other nations, and in fact Antony Sutton researched and concluded that the banksters from America and Europe installed the Bolshevik revolution. I haven't studied your history enough, so I don't want to make any claim.

I will just try to urge you to please lose that Communist attitude and please work to make the world a better place. We need to not end up in an unethical clusterfuck Dark Age. And take back your right to own a gun because without that, you are nothing against totalitarianism.

The USA is fucked up and it will need to break up into separate regions where those who have shared values can congregate. There are big changes coming to world accelerating as of 2018.

I urge you to look past the tip of your nose and be part of the better future. Let's go make it. I am 51. My time to be highly productive at the top level has peaked; and I am on the tail end of my career. You are young. You make this world. Please think about what you are doing.

Edit: and Evan is an American and thus all the more I demand he not insult the reputation of American developers by operating perhaps the most scammy altcoin by market cap (although some might argue that is Ripple).

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April 04, 2016, 09:08:36 AM
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CoinCube, a post I made about God in 2014:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=365141.msg9873921#msg9873921

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/4d7joq/wha_are_people_from_us_so_obsessed_with_laws/

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Unfortunately the person who wrote that doesn't have the knowledge to understand. Let me explain.

I'd prefer to have no securities regulation law.  In order to not end up with such laws, then we must be able to police our own community. If we can't do that, the public will demand laws.

Laws exist because of a power vacuum. That means that the collective is powerless to stop the hurtful activity, thus someone must step into the vacuum and take control. Thus voila! Government. Laws.

We do it to ourselves because we have criminal mindsets amongst us who prefer to hurt others to get what they want, than to help others to get what they want.

You mean to say people from US are enlightened with the wisdom, the rest of the world are dumb? Read his post again.

That is not what I wrote. Try again to understand the point about power vacuums.

As to the point about useless laws or conflating law with morality, I will share with you a debate I am having with another Communist criminal mind:

Come on now boys. If you are so sure this is not a scam, then make your sworn disclosures about your involvement in it. Are you afraid of future SEC and FinCEN actions and thus afraid to disclosure. Hmmm.

Stop obfuscating with off topic diversionary tactics.

I am trying to rescue you idiots. But you are determined to dig own pathway to jail.

Wake up and see the light pronto for your own sake.

Thank you for your interest, if genuine. However, to quote Hillary Clinton (since you mentioned the Clintons a lot in some of your posts):

"It’s a stark fact that the United States has less than five percent of the world’s population, yet we have almost 25 percent of the world’s total prison population."

I'm in the 95%+ of the global population (=non US citizen). I'm also unaffected by the prison-mania of the USA, FinCEN, SEC etc. Not that if I were affected I would have something to worry about.

Come-from-Beyond (who is in Belarus) make a similar line of argument to me.

It seems to me that those who grew up in these (former?) Communist states developed a culture of theft, because that was the only way to game the totalitarian system. We all know that Communism is a philosophy of stealing from each other.

And now they blame that on the Americans who worked more diligently and with attention to quality and pride in one's work, than any other nation except perhaps Japan. Globalist leaders insinuate it is okay for your to steal to take back from the evil Americans who took more than their fair share. They urge you to continue the Communist paradigm of ganging up on your neighbor.

I call on American software developers to take the high ground and show the world our cultural heritage and values. Let's teach these Eastern Europeans why America kicks ass with productivity and trying to do the right thing.

Now I will surely agree with you that so many Americans have become dysfunctional Socialists and are milking the reserve currency status. And I will agree with you that American leaders have abused other nations, and in fact Antony Sutton researched and concluded that the banksters from America and Europe installed the Bolshevik revolution. I haven't studied your history enough, so I don't want to make any claim.

I will just try to urge you to please lose that Communist attitude and please work to make the world a better place. We need to not end up in an unethical clusterfuck Dark Age. And take back your right to own a gun because without that, you are nothing against totalitarianism.

The USA is fucked up and it will need to break up into separate regions where those who have shared values can congregate. There are big changes coming to world accelerating as of 2018.

I urge you to look past the tip of your nose and be part of the better future. Let's go make it. I am 51. My time to be highly productive at the top level has peaked; and I am on the tail end of my career. You are young. You make this world. Please think about what you are doing.

Edit: and Evan is an American and thus all the more I demand he not insult the reputation of American developers by operating perhaps the most scammy altcoin by market cap (although some might argue that is Ripple).



As I warned you, the countries will be pushed towards cooperating against financial crime:

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-panama-papers

The globalists are destroying the nation-states on purpose and inciting the masses to clamor for a global discipline on malfeasance. I've known for a long time this would be coming. One thing you will learn about me by observing me over time is my ability to predict the future. For example was my 2011 prediction that the nations would not exit the EU and instead would double-down for more sloppy seconds.

For a person with such a breadth of understanding regarding global expansion of totalitarianism, why would you insist on others publicly disclosing stuff like their cryptoholdings, when, tomorrow for example, crypto could be illegal and all such posts might be admissions of possession and thus grounds for confiscation? Roll Eyes

Cripes man, did this point completely fly over your head that you are the one who is demanding that everyone disclose everything so we can count and prove all the victims.

I am arguing it should be sufficient to just declare Evan a sleazy scammer who rips off people by designing a scam to control the float and manipulate the price and volume, as well printing press coins out of thin air masternode scheme, handing them to insiders, and dumping them on the market.

Could I ask that you please don't waste my entire day on this redundant shit.

Do you even have any cryptocurrency?

Yes Bitcoin.

Ethics are highly subjective.

That is what someone with no ethics says. Ethics are quite objective. But I don't have time to go off on that tangent with you which you can begin by unconflating morality and ethics. For example, pursuing zero-sum games (where you must take from others in order to gain) is objectively unethical when a non-zero-sum alternative(s) exist. This is why Communism is objectively unethical.

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TPTB_need_war, you expect small fish to comply with what they think are immoral laws? The elites don't respect their own laws. Small fish copy the elites actions.

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TPTB_need_war, you expect small fish to comply with what they think are immoral laws? The elites don't respect their own laws. Small fish copy the elites actions.

My point is that we don't build a society by stealing from each other, regardless of that the big fish are stealing from us.

Two wrongs don't make it right.

We see the big fish stealing, so we copy them and steal too, then we wonder why 600 year Dark Ages come about.

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TPTB_need_war, you expect small fish to comply with what they think are immoral laws? The elites don't respect their own laws. Small fish copy the elites actions.

My point is that we don't build a society by stealing from each other, regardless of that the big fish are stealing from us.

Two wrongs don't make it right.

We see the big fish stealing, so we copy them and steal too, then we wonder why 600 year Dark Ages come about.

Right. Good solution should be to kill the big Fish and share what he stole.

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