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October 01, 2015, 10:39:58 PM
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When the healthcare is collectivist, then the government can issue new laws that interfere in your privacy/personal life, to save on healthcare costs.

When we think of the big picture, is there anything at all in TPTB agenda that did not aim for increased intrusion of people's life, and thus, control?

No.

That is their agenda, plain and simple. For this reason I suggest the "just say 'no' policy".

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October 02, 2015, 01:18:22 AM
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With this fake democracy at least the leaders can restrict some wishes of the irrational sheeple. If it were a real democracy then the wishes would be infinite, and hyperinflation would be imminent to pay down those wishes.

Why do the wishes of the 'irrational sheeple' need to be 'restricted'? Your healthcare example was about irrational needs (e.g. smoking) being restricted by leaders.
What makes you think those wishes will be 'payed down' in a real democracy.
Politicians get elected because they're granting 'wishes' they can't afford, like me paying 30 a month for full coverage health insurance. 'Hyperinflation' wont pay down for anything.

A vote will never matter much, it's how people live and act that matters.
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October 02, 2015, 02:47:02 AM
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I certainly agree there is a difference in attitude between US and Europe in so many regards, which I think in it's plainest sense ultimately stems from the ancestors of northern america striking out and leaving the old world. It takes some balls to do that. Reading some of the stories of what those people achieved is pretty humbling to me

Don't forget the removal effect as well. When the boldest and bravest people with the most initiative leave, who is left?

And that is an ongoing effect. There will be another max exodus of best people and ingress of migrants with radically differing culture, with the hardcore socialists and neo-nazis remaining to fight it out.



P.S. I posted today on ion.

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October 02, 2015, 03:01:59 AM
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Anyway, I think you are on the right track in taking lots of raw vegetable, occasionally some good quality fish and seafood, that's not so bad. I can't imagine how the saturated fat that found in animal products, even in dairy products could be beneficial for your MS condition but you know what you are doing. I wish the best with your recovery.  

Your view of healthy eating seems to be highly clouded by your extreme adverse reaction to any fat in your diet.

You completely discount the potential importance of enzymes. You assume the vegetables have all the cholesterol, enzymes, and other agents that might only be present in certain foods that are not vegetables.

Our ancestors were eating meat. They were not sedentary and not eating meat that wasn't wild (nor fed GMO, grains, antibiotics, and sedentary). I am not sedentary. I am running up to 4.5 kms per day now and that is very low for me historically. I need fat, cholesterol, creatine, etc..

Saturated fat is the best fat. It is not the polyunsaturated fats that comes from pressed seeds, the hydrogenated oils, the transfats, the GMO raised crap, sodium-nitrate laden bacon and sausages, etc..

I am not sure yet which foods I need, but I guarantee you that I would be a skeleton if I ate only vegetables. There is no way I could carry the muscle mass that enables me to be an athlete.

I think raw WILD (not farmed!) vegetables are very important for the micronutrients, the probiotics, and other aspects. But I doubt very much that cutting out all saturated fat is optimum healthy for an athlete. Bill Walton's career was plagued with bone injuries probably because he was 100% vegan.

You appear to be taking it too far into religion and no longer science.

Yesterday at the market I was about to buy a native chicken, but then I asked what it was fed and they said rice and grains. I said that is not native. And they replied, "oh you want the one from really in the mountain that eats only bugs". And I said yes!

In the Lisa Meats, I inquired from the guy who manages their farm and he said their cows are imported from Australia or New Zealand and eat corn mostly. I asked where can I get grass fed beef, and they said I need the native Brahman cow, but these were being phased out by most farmers because they bulk up less and the meat is very tough. I remembered eating that tough meat when I first arrived in the Philippines in the 1990s and I preferred it. I had a different very natural taste. And it was much cheaper too. I'll be on a mission later today to find Brahman cow meat.

The entire world is turning GMO and grains. It is really sad what is happening to the human race.

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October 02, 2015, 03:58:42 AM
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I certainly agree there is a difference in attitude between US and Europe in so many regards, which I think in it's plainest sense ultimately stems from the ancestors of northern america striking out and leaving the old world. It takes some balls to do that. Reading some of the stories of what those people achieved is pretty humbling to me

Don't forget the removal effect as well. When the boldest and bravest people with the most initiative leave, who is left?

And that is an ongoing effect. There will be another max exodus of best people and ingress of migrants with radically differing culture, with the hardcore socialists and neo-nazis remaining to fight it out.



P.S. I posted today on ion.


OK, but where will the best people go?  Some, maybe, to the USA (or will they flee from here too?)  None, as far as I can see, will go to Europe.

Singapore can hold a few, the rest look like they have to make deep compromises in their lifestyles to live in Asia or LatAm.

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Compromises sure beats being a prole  Cool
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October 02, 2015, 05:28:20 AM
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Venison is also a very tasty wild animal, better than beef and the flavour isn't as strong as kangaroo.

I have a really hard time finding grass fed beef here in Australia (without travelling great distance and paying an arm and a leg for it)
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Warning: low content

Was relaxing after the work week with a few beers and good music, and figured this might be sort of on-topic in this thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ3Lc0VovrQ
Ask yourself a question, are you a blank file?

Its relevance today is astonishing especially given the song was written in 1999.


And one more for anyone seeking motivation for getting up and going out for a run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mmm6DFvoJ0
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October 02, 2015, 10:43:28 PM
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Wow raw goat's milk fresh (warm) from the goat's nipple to my glass jar in the ice filled ice chest!

The instant I drank that I knew that is what I needed! So very creamy and delicious, and amazingly great feeling in my digestion system. I slept 10 hours and woke up with incredible energy and absolutely no pain in my digestive system.

Well I can't be sure if this result was only due to the goat's milk, because I also ate fresh from the farm grass fed goat and native chicken yesterday also. Also I ate several cups of raw wild grown leafy vegetables.

I did not get sleepy and exhausted until 9pm. And I immediately felt the fat go into my buttocks and I awoken my skin tone and face looks so much healthier.

It is amazing to me that most of humanity is drinking that pasteurized shit and Holstein (A1 casein) poison cow's milk, and has no idea what raw grass fed milk tastes and feels like.

The grass fed meat is so very delicious. The native chicken tastes like wild game, and the taste is so much stronger than regular chicken. But the chicken didn't make me feel as good as when I ate the goat. The goat meat was not as strong tasting as beef and the texture was perfect. I would love to eat that goat meat a few times per week.

I am urging all of you with health issues to get raw goat's milk. I am sure you will find it delicious. I couldn't stop drinking it.

(so great to be able to drive again. We were all over Davao del Sur for 8 hours yesterday but only spent $10 of diesel fuel. $22 to fill up my 40 liter tank)

The price of the raw goat's milk here is 60 pesos (about $1.25) per liter. The price for a female goat is the range of $200 - $250. Imagine an animal which was never injected with antibiotics, deworming, etc. The goats roam freely in a big open area in a barn that has a raised wooden floor with slits that the feces falls through. When they are ready to milk then, all the baby goats go into a small corral and they know to do it when they are given the signal. They feed the goats the native grasses. They wipe the goat's nipple with bleach before milking and they cover the jar with a cheese cloth, so only the milk strains through.

Governments all around the world are typically against us obtaining raw milk.

I have a really hard time finding grass fed beef here in Australia (without travelling great distance and paying an arm and a leg for it)

And is it thousand year old A2 casein or one of those imflammation causing A1 casein Frankenstein breeds from the past century?

I read that all goats are A2 casein. And goat's milk has no lactose apparently. To me as best as I can remember, it tastes better than any cow's milk I ever drank.

You probably can't also get wild grown green leafy vegetables (e.g. chilis that grow in my front yard without any pesticides nor fertilizers) in Australia any more. Also I eat the leaves from the camote (sweet potato) tops, which are purple color. I eat the leaves without cooking them. Past few days doing this and feeling good.

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October 02, 2015, 11:32:57 PM
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OK, but where will the best people go?

Austin, Texas.

Oregon.

Kansas City.

Santiago, Chile.

New Zealand.

Melbourne, Australia.

Vancouver, Canada.

Etc..


Not California!

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/37603

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Governor Edmund G. Brown Jr. of California has advocated raising taxes for climate change as if paying more taxes could somehow alter the universe. Brown has also been staunchly against parents who protest against forced vaccinations.

A reader submitted:

“On September 29, one day before the ECM turning point, what was to be a peaceful attempt to overturn California’s Mandatory Vaccine Law called sb277 was mysteriously “sabotaged.” Governor Brown signed sb277 into law in July this year removing the parental personal beliefs exemption or religious beliefs exemption to vaccines in order for their children to attend school. The law now requires that children be fully vaccinated in accordance with the CDC scheduled or must be forcibly removed from public or private school from preschool on up to college.

Just a few weeks after the bill became law grassroots efforts filed a referendum to overturn the law. The parents opposing sb277 had to obtain approximately 360,000 signatures for the referendum to go to a ballot in 2016. Just weeks before the deadline, which was around September 29, a twitter message went out saying that they had at least 300,000 and many more were coming in. Days before the deadline sb277 supporters were very excited saying they thought they had almost 500,000 signatures.

Suddenly on September 29, something happened. An announcement came from somewhere, news reports, saying that the state only received about 100,000 signatures, the facebook page to the sb277 referendum campaign disappeared on September 30, and the leaders are suddenly not responding. months of effort just vanished. This is beyond crazy.

This is total war here between parents and the vaccine manufacturers who have bought out the politicians and turned this state into a medical dictatorship, right here, in the U.S.”

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October 03, 2015, 12:50:05 AM
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You appear to be taking it too far into religion and no longer science.


I told you that I am enjoying nice tuna steaks, salmon, trout and all kind of seafood at least once a week so I am not a religious vegan at all. I have no issues with vegans who try to save animals, in the meantime I don't subscribe to their doctrine.
Which I thought was important to point out is that many studies, researches and my personal experience as well indicate that plant based/vegan diet is very beneficial and most of the cases substitute all medications for heart and diabetes cases (the biggest killers in the US and UK). Almost all those heart and diabetes patients who are disciplined and never eat meat experience with reversal, and even the less disciplined who eat fish like me have a very good result.


I am not sure yet which foods I need, but I guarantee you that I would be a skeleton if I ate only vegetables. There is no way I could carry the muscle mass that enables me to be an athlete.

I think raw WILD (not farmed!) vegetables are very important for the micronutrients, the probiotics, and other aspects. But I doubt very much that cutting out all saturated fat is optimum healthy for an athlete. Bill Walton's career was plagued with bone injuries probably because he was 100% vegan.


OK. I misunderstood you then. I thought you are having a very serious, potentially terminal health condition, multiple sclerosis, but it seems you are in fact aiming to continue be an athlete while having such serious condition. I am not sure how the MS condition and an athletic lifestyle can coexist, but I hope you can manage it.

That's great you feel well, try to stay healthy and active :-)))


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October 03, 2015, 01:50:15 AM
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I am so happy to note that today I had my first perfect looking feces in a long time (months?). Perfect consistency, not too soft not too hard, not mushy nor sticking to side of toilet bowl like tar as it had been!

Today marks the start of the 5th day of not experiencing any significant symptoms, 4th day of pooping in the morning regularly, and 5th day of somewhat, gradually improving energy level. When I say improving energy level, the energy level has been still far too low to do everything at the pace I am accustomed to, except today I feel I might have that former stores of bursts of energy lurking (heading to gym to find out). My entire life I had been the EveryReady Energizer Bunny up until this malaise hit me around 2008 or so (worsening significantly in 2012). But I am also having some lingering conflicting condition today (as has been the case past 5 days), where I felt every so often a slight tinge of pain in my gut and a slight adverse feeling at my head and a slight numbness below the knee. As well, I still have the lingering cough and phlegm.

P.S. I forgot to mention I have increased my sea salt intake considering over the past few days.

OK. I misunderstood you then. I thought you are having a very serious, potentially terminal health condition, multiple sclerosis, but it seems you are in fact aiming to continue be an athlete while having such serious condition. I am not sure how the MS condition and an athletic lifestyle can coexist, but I hope you can manage it.

I have had very serious condition that made it very difficult to find the energy to walk down the stairs or even put on or take off my shoes.

But what may be difficult for you to grasp because you will not encounter many people like me unless you are around top athletes such as a Kobe Byrant or Lance Armstrong, is that even if I can't put my shoes on, somehow I will dig deep and force myself to go out and run 2 kms even though I feel as though I could collapse and pass out during the extremely arduous endeavor. Your average person wouldn't ever put themselves through such pain. You don't understand that what separates most athletes who play in the NBA from the superstars is not only talent, but more so that attitude that very few people have that they can endure massive amounts of pain and they subject themselves to intense gut wrenching effort to reach their goal.

Let me try to explain it to you this way. When I was a young boy up until my teenage years, I would relish pouring only scalding hot water (enough to burn my skin until it had cooled simply from the tub and my body absorbing much of the heat) in the bath tub and then counting how many seconds I could hold my breath completely submerged. I would only be able to get my toes in the water at first, because it burned so much, then slowly to my knee, then slowly until my entire body was in the water.

At age 5, I relished playing tackle football in my grass front yard every day striving to get as many bloody noses as I could.

In 10th grade, we did during the August tropical heat in New Orleans (32 degrees Celsius, 80 - 90% humidity) two 4 hour workouts a day. We were in full pads, helmet, and running and exerting non-stop for 8 hours daily in that intense sweltering heat and humidity. There were small flying bugs (gnats) flying all up in our helmets and we were tackling each other into the wet grass in the morning workout. I was literally so exhausted that I would not be able to move the entire lunch and night I would lay on a wooden floor and not move. I had to take salt tablets to deal with extreme cramping due to loss of sodium from perspiration.

So indeed, I have been fighting an absolutely debilitating condition. After I would exert myself, I'd collapse on the floor and I'd be lucky to raise my arm after an hour or so of laying there.

I told everyone my uncorrected vision declined from 20/40 to 20/70 from early August to late September. My condition was getting to the point where I was spending the vast majority of my days in bed. And I was losing function. So yes heading towards crippled or zombie and  pretty much that way already, except for me fighting it with all the effort I could muster in short bursts of teeth gritting, gut wrenching effort (crawl out of bed onto the concrete road and force the Go button, feeling like shit most of the entire run).

Also reflect on the theory which seems to have strong support in my case that M.S. is linked to gut bacterial dysbiosys, because we have more gut bacteria than human cells and we don't digest food without the correct diversity and balance of microflora and M.S. appears to be the disarray of dysfunctional synergy between metabolism and immune system. Thus correcting this condition appears to be about a synergy of diet, exercise, sleep, and probably also environmental inputs such as vitamin D3 from the sun and day light exposure of the eyes and skin to get the proper sleep cycle going.



But let's get back on topic. This week I began experiencing a toothache. Never in my life did I have cavities nor any problem with my teeth. Why? Because I drank milk until my 30s. I have very strong teeth.

Dairy is important for calcium also.

Indeed for those who have heart disease, I can see abstaining from any fats (of any source) as beneficial during the critical period of healing from that condition.

But what got you in that condition in the first place? It could be genetic predisposition, but it could also be about not getting enough exercise and about eating all those Frankenstein foods in our modern, industrialized world.

When I say you go too far and being a religion, I don't mean that you do it because of not wanting to hurt animals (frankly when we killed the 2 native chickens yesterday, I decided it didn't taste good enough to me or given me good enough feeling to justify seeing those chickens crying and facing their death...I'd rather eat tuna and maybe a goat who can provide a lot of meat for one death and also so much work to clean that chicken for so little meat). I mean that you assume that just because you put yourself into a very bad health state and needed a 100% vegan extremism to rectify that other extremism, it doesn't follow logically that extremism is the best balanced health ongoing. I would rather be scientific about it. I am not against the importance of raw leafy wild (unfarmed!) vegetables, but I am against unscientific extremism which doesn't mesh with indigenous experience. And I think unfarmed food sources may be a more important factor than extremism about avoiding diversity of food types.

Fact is that indigenous peoples are extremely healthy eating a balanced diet which includes some fats and animal products.

Rather it appears that the key distinction is they eat raw and naturally fed sources, no manufactured foods, and they get a good balance of probiotics naturally in their diet where it has been scientifically documented that they have 50% more diversity of gut microflora than we industrialized guinea pigs do. Also they are very physically active and exposed to the natural environment.

I tried eating all vegetables as I was ending my fasting. Granted these were lighted sauteed, not entire raw. And included some farmed vegetables. But I could not gain back my energy, muscle mass, sleep long enough, nor feel satiated for long enough time. I was also eating way too much fiber. I simply wasn't being cured and my health condition appeared to be getting worse in other ways (vision, teeth, exercise got worse, etc) although the headaches might have been slightly less (probably because there was less soluble food to leak from my apparently leaky gut).

I am willing to return to test an all raw wild vegan diet if the current experiment fails.

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October 03, 2015, 04:10:09 AM
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No stats on ginger? I try to eat a few ounces a day. Cheap and my body loves it   Grin

Ginger is awesome.. grated ginger, corriander, tuna, avocado, cucumber and chilli, chop & stir them together makes a wicked poor mans meal  Cool

Yes (TPTB) you're right about there being no wild leafy things to eat here & most of the native shrubs are also poison..

Black berries were my favourite when I was a kid, now they're too risky due to being doused with poison wherever they pop up.

Unpasteurized milk is also outlawed, the "health food" aisle at the supermarket is all puffed grains & frankenstein spliced shit.

Food totalitarianism is really being shoved down everyones throats.
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October 03, 2015, 04:42:51 AM
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With this fake democracy at least the leaders can restrict some wishes of the irrational sheeple. If it were a real democracy then the wishes would be infinite, and hyperinflation would be imminent to pay down those wishes.

Why do the wishes of the 'irrational sheeple' need to be 'restricted'? Your healthcare example was about irrational needs (e.g. smoking) being restricted by leaders.
What makes you think those wishes will be 'payed down' in a real democracy.
Politicians get elected because they're granting 'wishes' they can't afford, like me paying 30 a month for full coverage health insurance. 'Hyperinflation' wont pay down for anything.

A vote will never matter much, it's how people live and act that matters.

Because freedom is more valuable than the "common good". We are adults here, and we should be responsible for our own choices.

If one guy gets lungh cancer from smoking irresponsible all his life like a 5 year old, nor am I not responsible for that, nor shall I not pay for that. It's his fault, he should pay for it. If he ask me nicely, I might donate to him, but he has no right to steal that money from me though forced healthcare.

So, yes smoking is bad, but we should neither ban it, nor encourage it, nor create a ponzi scheme collectivist healthcare just so that then we should have the justification to ban it later.

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But what may be difficult for you to grasp because you will not encounter many people like me unless you are around top athletes such as a Kobe Byrant or Lance Armstrong, is that even if I can't put my shoes on, somehow I will dig deep and force myself to go out and run 2 kms even though I feel as though I could collapse and pass out during the extremely arduous endeavor. Your average person wouldn't ever put themselves through such pain. You don't understand that what separates most athletes who play in the NBA from the superstars is not only talent, but more so that attitude that very few people have that they can endure massive amounts of pain and they subject themselves to intense gut wrenching effort to reach their goal.


Actually, I believe, I do understand the mindset of top athletes, but yes, you are correct, I didn't assume that you are in the league of those top athletes.  
A very close friend of mine is an Olympic champion, two times world champion and 6 times European champion and I do understand what mental strength is required to get that result. Knowing his carrier, it is unreal what those top athletes can do to get the result. Apart from Christmas Day (his only day off from training in a year), he trained usually twice a day from age 8 to age 30, but again, the mentality of those athletes what is quite exceptional. It was thrown a lot of unfair problems to him on both personal and professional level (media, agents, sponsors, etc.), but nothing could detour him from training because he had one goal: to be a champion. He avoided any disagreements to be in the position to be able to train next day in order to become a champion. In the meantime, I was very good at football (still play a lot), but I said to my coaches/managers that fuck-off man, that's a bullshit when I didn't like something - no wonder that my carrier was limited to run around with arrogant fuckers like myself in league 4.



But let's get back on topic. This week I began experiencing a toothache. Never in my life did I have cavities nor any problem with my teeth. Why? Because I drank milk until my 30s. I have very strong teeth.

Dairy is important for calcium also.


You are probably the smartest person by far here, you obviously know a lot, but this is the second time I have to correct you on a popular misconception about foods (the beneficial effects of olive oil was the first).

Milk actually reduces calcium in your bones. Similarly to all animal proteins, milk acidifies the body pH level, which then triggers a biological correction. Calcium is an excellent acid neutraliser and since the biggest storage of calcium in the body your bones, then the very same calcium in your bones is utilized to neutralize the acidic effect of milk. Once calcium is pulled out of the bones, it leaves the body via the urine, and the net result is an actual calcium deficit. No wonder why statistics indicate that countries with the lowest consumption of dairy products also have the lowest fracture incidence in their population, while Denmark is on the top of the hip and other fracture statistics. A recent Swedish study published not long ago in the British Medical Journal points out that drinking three glasses of milk per day results in increased incidence of osteoporosis, bone fractures, and earlier mortality. These are independent university researches. On the other hand, as far as I know all researches/studies that suggest the benefits of milk (mainly the calcium myth) are funded by the diary industry.

Plant based sources of calcium such as leafy greens, nuts, dried basil are both healthier and more easily absorbed. One cup serving of soybean sprouts provides 46 per cent of daily calcium requirements which is the equivalent of a glass and a half of milk, except the soybean provides you with only 30 calories, which reduced calories intake is obviously better (for the vast majority of population). I fully understand by now that it is not applicable to you as you need an incredible amount of extreme calories for your top athlete regime, but 99.999% of the population is not in the league of Kobe Bryant and yourself, and therefore I think they should know that diary product is not good for human body (which I have been banging-on in the last few pages).

There are a few very good documentaries that summarizes how the diary industry and their sockpuppets in the FDA mislead the population about the benefit of milks.

I am sure you are having strong teeth despite of milk, and not because of milk. Your strong teeth most likely because of your genetics.

This link is interesting.
http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/


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There are a few very good documentaries that summarizes how the diary industry and their sockpuppets in the FDA mislead the population about the benefit of milks.

This link is interesting as well.
http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

Do you happen to know the names of these documentaries off hand altcoinUK? I'm sure many of us would be interested to watch.




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October 03, 2015, 12:50:29 PM
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There are a few very good documentaries that summarizes how the diary industry and their sockpuppets in the FDA mislead the population about the benefit of milks.

This link is interesting as well.
http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

Do you happen to know the names of these documentaries off hand altcoinUK? I'm sure many of us would be interested to watch.

"Milk?". I believe I watched this on Netflix. Please watch that, quite shocking.

However, in the context of this Totalitarianism thread the most interesting is "Food, Inc." available on Netflix. It reveals how large food corporation poison the mass population with  and by controlling FDA.
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There are a few very good documentaries that summarizes how the diary industry and their sockpuppets in the FDA mislead the population about the benefit of milks.

This link is interesting as well.
http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

Do you happen to know the names of these documentaries off hand altcoinUK? I'm sure many of us would be interested to watch.

"Milk?". I believe I watched this on Netflix. Please watch that, quite shocking.

However, in the context of this Totalitarianism thread the most interesting is "Food, Inc." available on Netflix. It reveals how large food corporation poison the mass population with  and by controlling FDA.

Thanks! I watched Food Inc a few years back. I think a rewatch is in order. But perhaps I'll watch Milk? this evening.




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There are a few very good documentaries that summarizes how the diary industry and their sockpuppets in the FDA mislead the population about the benefit of milks.

This link is interesting as well.
http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/

Do you happen to know the names of these documentaries off hand altcoinUK? I'm sure many of us would be interested to watch.

"Milk?". I believe I watched this on Netflix. Please watch that, quite shocking.

However, in the context of this Totalitarianism thread the most interesting is "Food, Inc." available on Netflix. It reveals how large food corporation poison the mass population with  and by controlling FDA.

Thanks! I watched Food Inc a few years back. I think a rewatch is in order. But perhaps I'll watch Milk? this evening.

You will see in the Milk? documentary Campbell, the scientist who produced the China Study which I have been quoting in the last few pages. The work of these remarkable scientists slowly but surely is getting to the mainstream media. Still, doctors learn very little about nutrition science during their university studies, which is quite shocking. Majority of the research programmes of those universities are funded by large pharmaceutical companies, no wonder doctors are trained to push the expensive medicines to the masses instead of trying to educate the patients about the source of the problem. After all, cholesterol, heart and diabetes medicines are a +$100 billion dollar business and the health services will pick up the bill (NHS in the UK). This is a gold mine for large pharmaceutical companies. Their comrades, the large food corporations cause the problem in the first place by poisoning the masses with sugar, trans fats and hydrogenated oils. In the meantime, the FDA is full of former executives from large food corporations. A perfect cycle: poisons that require expensive medicines. Doctors are happy, shareholders of large pharmaceutical companies are happy, politicians whom campaign supported by large pharmaceutical companies are happy, what could go wrong with this perfect system except that there are 10th of millions people suffer from completely avoidable heart and diabetes diseases.

My daily rant is over, have a nice day :-))))
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Milk actually reduces calcium in your bones. Similarly to all animal proteins, milk acidifies the body pH level, which then triggers a biological correction. Calcium is an excellent acid neutraliser and since the biggest storage of calcium in the body your bones, then the very same calcium in your bones is utilized to neutralize the acidic effect of milk. Once calcium is pulled out of the bones, it leaves the body via the urine, and the net result is an actual calcium deficit. No wonder why statistics indicate that countries with the lowest consumption of dairy products also have the lowest fracture incidence in their population, while Denmark is on the top of the hip and other fracture statistics. A recent Swedish study published not long ago in the British Medical Journal points out that drinking three glasses of milk per day results in increased incidence of osteoporosis, bone fractures, and earlier mortality. These are independent university researches. On the other hand, as far as I know all researches/studies that suggest the benefits of milk (mainly the calcium myth) are funded by the diary industry.

Plant based sources of calcium such as leafy greens, nuts, dried basil are both healthier and more easily absorbed. One cup serving of soybean sprouts provides 46 per cent of daily calcium requirements which is the equivalent of a glass and a half of milk, except the soybean provides you with only 30 calories, which reduced calories intake is obviously better (for the vast majority of population). I fully understand by now that it is not applicable to you as you need an incredible amount of extreme calories for your top athlete regime, but 99.999% of the population is not in the league of Kobe Bryant and yourself, and therefore I think they should know that diary product is not good for human body (which I have been banging-on in the last few pages).

There are a few very good documentaries that summarizes how the diary industry and their sockpuppets in the FDA mislead the population about the benefit of milks.

I am sure you are having strong teeth despite of milk, and not because of milk. Your strong teeth most likely because of your genetics.

This link is interesting.
http://saveourbones.com/osteoporosis-milk-myth/




additional info from "Nutritional and physical degeneration" by DR. Weston A. Price
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   Several incidents of special interest occurred. Two different
teachers came to me to inquire what had been done to make a particular
child change from one of the poorest in the class in capacity to learn
to one of the best. Dental caries is only one of the many expressions
of our modern deficient nutritions.

   I have referred to the importance of a high vitamin butter for
providing the fat-soluble activators to make possible the utilization
of the minerals in the foods. In this connection, it is of interest
that butter constitutes the principal source of these essential factors
for many primitive groups throughout the world. In the high mountain
and plateau district in northern India, and in Tibet, the inhabitants
depend largely upon butter made from the milk of the musk ox and the
sheep for these activators. The butter is eaten mixed with roasted
cereals, is used in tea, and in a porridge made of tea, butter and
roasted grains. In Sudan Egypt, I found considerable traffic in high
vitamin butter which came from the higher lands a few miles from the
Nile Basin. This was being exchanged for and used with varieties of
millet grown in other districts. This butter, at the temperature of
that area, which ranged from 90° to 110° Fahrenheit, was, of
course, always in liquid form. Its brilliant orange color testified to
the splendid pasture of the dairy animals. The people in Sudan,
including the Arabs, had exceptionally fine teeth with exceedingly
little tooth decay (Chapter 9). The most physically perfect people in
northern India are probably the Pathans who live on dairy products
largely in the form of soured curd, together with wheat and vegetables.
The people are very tall and are free of tooth decay.

   Probably every housewife is familiar with the low melting quality
of the butter produced in early summer when the cows have been put on
the green pastures. This is particularly true of butter that has the
grassy flavor and the deep yellow to orange color. This butter is
usually several times as high in fat-soluble activators including
vitamins A and D as butter produced from stall fed cattle or cattle on
poorer pasturage. In Chapter 15, I have explained why this butter is
not favorable for shipping and why dairymen so frequently give the cows
a ration that will produce less of these qualities. One of the
principal foods used for accomplishing this is made of cotton seed meal
and cereals.

   There are many illustrations of the low efficiency of this type
of fodder for providing vitamins essential for dairy products. In one
of the recent severe droughts in the Mississippi Valley several
thousand cattle were shipped to Ohio for water and green pasture as a
means of saving their lives. They were fed enroute on concentrates said
to consist of cotton seed meal and grain. Professor Oscar Erf of the
Department of Dairying of Ohio State University has given me the
following detailed information:


   With reference to the cattle from the
south-western and central-northern states of the drought area which
were brought into Ohio in the fall of 1935 on a 600 acre farm north of
Delaware, will say that I had the privilege of viewing some of these
cattle previous to the time that they were brought to Ohio in 1935.
Because of the extreme drought period and the hot sun, it was rare to
see green grass on the prairies. The sedges were nearly all dried up.
The tumbleweed was about the only thing that was available for the
cattle in some instances. The corn was dried up and very little green
was in evidence. In the particular location that I was in we found the
cattle suffering terribly. Many had infected eyes.

   There were a good many deaths on the plains which
were literally dried up. Sometimes there was even a small amount of
decomposition after death. In the fall, those that survived on the
plains, were loaded up and driven to the corrals, loaded into cars and
sent east. Only the good ones were loaded and even a large number of
these passed out in transit.

   I was informed that the crop of grass the year
before was very scant. Consequently, a large number of calves were born
with weak eyes and these were the early ones to pass out on the plains.
The low vitality of the individuals which I considered was due to the
lack of vitamin A or the green grass factors was the cause of the
serious infection, however their being secondary to the primary
cause.

   The first train load of the twenty-eight hundred
cattle that were brought to this ranch were fed on green corn stalks.
There was a nine acre patch of corn in this area. The fences were taken
down one afternoon at 3 o'clock and by 9 o'clock there was no evidence
of stubbles or roots. This had all been eaten in a very short space of
time. We had quite a time getting hays and green stuff which we
demanded because of its carotin content and its green grass factor.
There was not enough grass available in the beginning so we had to buy
about 400 tons of hay a day to keep the animals fed. They got no grain
of any kind because it was a question of bringing the cattle to a more
or less normal condition with no intention of fattening the
animals.

   After they had made arrangements for feeding
operations and made feed racks in sufficient numbers, we went over the
herd to estimate the numbers that were blind and had sore eyes, which I
assume from past experience, was due to a vitamin A deficiency. As near
as we can estimate, nearly 8 12 animals were affected (29 per cent).
There were 157 calves born and approximately 50 per cent were deformed
and not normal. We did not get the complete figures but they probably
ranged a little higher than that. The worst infected cows were calves
and animals that were 18 to 20 months old. I could not get the story of
these individuals but they must have been in the area of dry grass for
2 years. There was a slight improvement in those that were not
seriously infected after they were fed here. They improved decidedly in
October and November and were practically all slaughtered before the
middle of December.



The milk of these vitamin deficient cows would not properly nourish
either their calves or human beings.

   Many children have tooth decay even while using whole milk, in
part because the milk is too low in vitamin content, due to the
inadequacy of the food given the cows.
The means for improving this
condition have been discussed in Chapter 15.

   Some of the current theories of the chemistry of tooth decay
place the responsibility on the local condition in the mouth as
affected by the contributing factors provided by sugars and starches
which enhance the growth of acid producing organisms. A phase of this
has been closely related to the slogan that a clean tooth cannot decay.
Among the difficulties in applying this interpretation is the physical
impossibility of keeping teeth bacteriologically clean in the
environment of the mouth. Another difficulty is the fact that many
primitive races have their teeth smeared with starchy foods almost
constantly and make no effort whatsoever to clean their teeth. In spite
of this they have no tooth decay. In many of the primitive groups that
I have studied the process of modernization includes teaching oral
hygiene and prophylaxis. Yet, even with the addition of this important
adjunct to health, they have in most cases lost their immunity to tooth
decay and dental caries has become active. This will be seen in many of
the illustrations of the primitive races in the preceding chapters. Of
course everyone should clean his teeth, even the primitives, in the
interest of and out of consideration for others.
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