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October 23, 2015, 02:27:08 AM
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By the way, Jesus said that God's Kingdom is WITHIN YOU, not "here, within Jesus"... Contrary to "popular belief", he never ONCE suggested that he was your "savior".

http://www.bible-researcher.com/luke17.21.html

I know. It is difficult for a liar to admit a truth that that he doesn't like to see. But here are a couple of sites that contain a couple of reasonably simple Bible passage sections that show that Jesus is your Savior, if you accept Him.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg12741055#msg12741055

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg12741055#msg12741055

These aren't, of course, the only ones. But if you can't get these simple ones into your head, how will any of the others make any sense to you?

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Also, Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

In all of that, I never once saw Jesus say "believe that I have come to save mankind" or anything like that. If I missed it, would you please quote one sentence that has Jesus saying he is your savior.

Also, JESUS SAID THAT GOD'S KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU, not "here, within Jesus".

YOU WANT TO QUOTE ACTS AND DENY THE WORDS OF JESUS?

What? You won't believe it unless it is expressed exactly the way you want it to be expressed? Well, it's your own destruction.

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October 23, 2015, 02:38:05 AM
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Your religion simply contradicts Bible religion.
What you mean to say is that "my beliefs" about what it means to "follow Jesus" contradict "your interpretation" of "the Bible"!
I have found those parts of the Bible that state the truth; you have determined that ALL of "the Bible" is the truth. Well, HERE IS SOME TRUTH FOR YOU:

JESUS SAID THAT GOD'S KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU, not "here, God's Kingdom is here in the flesh in me, Jesus" or "there", for God's Kingdom does not come with observation (of history or events). He is telling you to join him on a higher level of consciousness.

Those who preach the ONENESS OF GOD and the brotherhood/sisterhood of humanity, These ones are blessed and true "prophets", the Peacemakers--whose guidance you must seek in your spiritual quest. Never the person--always the WORD!
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October 23, 2015, 02:43:06 AM
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What? You won't believe it unless it is expressed exactly the way you want it to be expressed? Well, it's your own destruction.

I will simply not believe a false thing. If this doctrine of "savior or hell" is so important to you, there should be plenty of support for it, and it should USE THOSE WORDS BECAUSE THE MEANING OF WORDS IS A VERY IMPORTANT MATTER. You are wrong to say that I am deceiving others; I am attempting a reasoned discussion and I am not a false prophet by any definition. I perceive that you speak falsely. Why do you judge falsely and not take back what you have said?

Jesus says to follow his example, not to dump your wicked actions upon a man for that is pure selfishness and it is not "taking up your cross" at all. BELIEVE IT.
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October 23, 2015, 02:55:20 AM
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By the way, if your "faith" in "Jesus of the Bible" has "saved you", there is a very simple "test" that Jesus gives you in Matthew 21:21:

"If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done."

So I suggest that you do not hypocritically judge me for "not having faith" since Matt. 21:21 is the standard by which YOU will be judged!

You can read more about Jesus's miracles here in Phoenix Journal #12:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/j012/
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October 23, 2015, 02:59:51 AM
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What? You won't believe it unless it is expressed exactly the way you want it to be expressed? Well, it's your own destruction.

I will simply not believe a false thing. If this doctrine of "savior or hell" is so important to you, there should be plenty of support for it, and it should USE THOSE WORDS BECAUSE THE MEANING OF WORDS IS A VERY IMPORTANT MATTER. You are wrong to say that I am deceiving others; I am attempting a reasoned discussion and I am not a false prophet by any definition. I perceive that you speak falsely. Why do you judge falsely and not take back what you have said?

Jesus says to follow his example, not to dump your wicked actions upon a man for that is pure selfishness and it is not "taking up your cross" at all. BELIEVE IT.

Well, it seems that we have very different religions... at least in some ways. If you ever become a Bible believer, and post such in one of your posts, please say it right at the top, clearly, so that I don't accidentally pass the change by.

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October 23, 2015, 03:24:19 AM
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We sure do have different perspectives; let me summarize them:
I believe 1) "don't judge" and 2) "follow the example of Jesus".
You believe 1) "judge against those who doubt/deny that Jesus has 'saved' mankind since they will 'go to hell'" and 2) "follow the Bible and ignore the protests of reason".

You claim to "follow Jesus" and to have genuine faith? Then tell us how many mountains you have moved. Let this be your lesson in non-judgment, BADecker for Matt. 21:21 is the "nail in your coffin". Take a look within before you hypocritically judge another; ask What Would Jesus DO? Would he submit to a worldly authority? Would he submit his reason to any authority that is not Heavenly Father? Would he idly discard a teaching before reading it? Or would he use the mind given by God to judge a teacher based on the FRUITS? God requires spiritual FRUIT, NOT religious nuts; YOU HAVE ALREADY JUDGED YOURSELF BY ATTEMPTING TO JUDGE ME WHEN YOU HAVE NOT "PASSED THE TEST" YOURSELF; LET'S SEE YOU MOVE A MOUNTAIN BEFORE YOU TRY AND TELL US THAT YOU HAVE GENUINE FAITH.
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October 23, 2015, 03:34:02 AM
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We sure do have different perspectives; let me summarize them:
I believe 1) "don't judge" and 2) "follow the example of Jesus".
You believe 1) "judge against those who doubt/deny that Jesus has 'saved' mankind since they will 'go to hell'" and 2) "follow the Bible and ignore the protests of reason".

You claim to "follow Jesus" and to have genuine faith? Then tell us how many mountains you have moved. Let this be your lesson in non-judgment, BADecker for Matt. 21:21 is the "nail in your coffin". Take a look within before you hypocritically judge another; ask What Would Jesus DO? Would he submit to a worldly authority? Would he submit his reason to any authority that is not Heavenly Father? Would he idly discard a teaching before reading it? Or would he use the mind given by God to judge a teacher based on the FRUITS? God requires spiritual FRUIT, NOT religious nuts; YOU HAVE ALREADY JUDGED YOURSELF BY ATTEMPTING TO JUDGE ME WHEN YOU HAVE NOT "PASSED THE TEST" YOURSELF; LET'S SEE YOU MOVE A MOUNTAIN BEFORE YOU TRY AND TELL US THAT YOU HAVE GENUINE FAITH.

I think I understand what you have written about your teaching. This is why I discard it. If you are wrong about what you express about your teaching, please let me know so that I have opportunity to further discard your teaching.

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October 23, 2015, 04:54:21 AM
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Problem is you are using a few quotes from the bible that say what you want. And ignoring the ones that contradict it. Or trying to minimize it by saying it only applies to killing and torturing people. When in reality that exception doesn't exist:

Matthew 19
Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments."
"Which ones?" he inquired. Jesus replied, "'You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Loving your neighbor isn't more or less than the others. All those count. If you aren't a christian for breaking one according to you it's the same for the others. And the love of life you talk about comes from love of money too for example as jesus says later:

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.
24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

So rich people aren't christian either right? And everyone that doesn't sell their possessions to follow jesus.

You miss the point. The point isn't the idea of "keeping" the commandments once or twice or three times. The point is to keep them without fail all the time.

Lots of people never murder, even once in their life. Lots of people never commit adultery, even once in their life. Then it starts getting difficult.

Most people steal something now and again, even if it is only something little. Most people say something false about somebody else once in a while. Most people dishonor their parents once in a while, even if it is very slight. And nobody loves all his neighbors all the time.

Since everybody fails in some of these things, there is nobody who will be saved for eternal life, right?

Ah, but there is Somebody who kept all these commandments perfectly. It is Jesus. Then Jesus took all the punishment that God would have dealt out to all the people for all the wrong things that they had done. Jesus took it when He died on the cross. Then He arose from death, because He didn't even do anything wrong in His dying to deserve death.

Now, Jesus offers eternal life to all who believe in Him. Why do they have to believe in Him? Because God is entirely truthful. And the only way for you, a sinner, to obey the commandments perfectly is to obey them through Jesus, by believing in Him and His offer of eternal life.

Does this make sense to us? Somewhat, but not entirely. We simply don't think along these lines deeply enough to understand it easily. The thing that we CAN understand and do, is to believe in Jesus for salvation.

When the people asked Jesus what they needed to do to do the works of God, Jesus answered that the work of God was this... to believe on the One that God sent... namely Himself.

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You are making my point. Doesn't make sense to say they aren't christian because they commit sins. Everyone does. And there is no different sins you can and cannot do like he was saying. If they believe in jesus and the bible they are christians. With all the good and the bad that comes with it.
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October 23, 2015, 05:29:40 AM
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Your religion simply contradicts Bible religion.
What you mean to say is that "my beliefs" about what it means to "follow Jesus" contradict "your interpretation" of "the Bible"!
I have found those parts of the Bible that state the truth; you have determined that ALL of "the Bible" is the truth. Well, HERE IS SOME TRUTH FOR YOU:

JESUS SAID THAT GOD'S KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU, not "here, God's Kingdom is here in the flesh in me, Jesus" or "there", for God's Kingdom does not come with observation (of history or events). He is telling you to join him on a higher level of consciousness.

Those who preach the ONENESS OF GOD and the brotherhood/sisterhood of humanity, These ones are blessed and true "prophets", the Peacemakers--whose guidance you must seek in your spiritual quest. Never the person--always the WORD!


BADecker speaks for the corrupt churches when he denies reason and the teachings of his own book, he wants us to submit our minds to false stories and authority. He thinks he has a monopoly on truth and refuses to look at what jesus said, namely "god is within you, not here (in jesus) or there (in the bible)". Sorry brother, you have to be responsible for what you do in this world, that means that you use reason to realize that the Bible was written by men and that Jesus was also a man so if you worship and kneel before man, you do not honor god, god works through you and speaks to your heart, you have to get up off of your knees if you want to get somewhere worth going.
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October 23, 2015, 12:04:42 PM
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Problem is you are using a few quotes from the bible that say what you want. And ignoring the ones that contradict it. Or trying to minimize it by saying it only applies to killing and torturing people. When in reality that exception doesn't exist:

Matthew 19
Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments."
"Which ones?" he inquired. Jesus replied, "'You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'"

Loving your neighbor isn't more or less than the others. All those count. If you aren't a christian for breaking one according to you it's the same for the others. And the love of life you talk about comes from love of money too for example as jesus says later:

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.
24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

So rich people aren't christian either right? And everyone that doesn't sell their possessions to follow jesus.

You miss the point. The point isn't the idea of "keeping" the commandments once or twice or three times. The point is to keep them without fail all the time.

Lots of people never murder, even once in their life. Lots of people never commit adultery, even once in their life. Then it starts getting difficult.

Most people steal something now and again, even if it is only something little. Most people say something false about somebody else once in a while. Most people dishonor their parents once in a while, even if it is very slight. And nobody loves all his neighbors all the time.

Since everybody fails in some of these things, there is nobody who will be saved for eternal life, right?

Ah, but there is Somebody who kept all these commandments perfectly. It is Jesus. Then Jesus took all the punishment that God would have dealt out to all the people for all the wrong things that they had done. Jesus took it when He died on the cross. Then He arose from death, because He didn't even do anything wrong in His dying to deserve death.

Now, Jesus offers eternal life to all who believe in Him. Why do they have to believe in Him? Because God is entirely truthful. And the only way for you, a sinner, to obey the commandments perfectly is to obey them through Jesus, by believing in Him and His offer of eternal life.

Does this make sense to us? Somewhat, but not entirely. We simply don't think along these lines deeply enough to understand it easily. The thing that we CAN understand and do, is to believe in Jesus for salvation.

When the people asked Jesus what they needed to do to do the works of God, Jesus answered that the work of God was this... to believe on the One that God sent... namely Himself.

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You are making my point. Doesn't make sense to say they aren't christian because they commit sins. Everyone does. And there is no different sins you can and cannot do like he was saying. If they believe in jesus and the bible they are christians. With all the good and the bad that comes with it.

Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying. Certainly, if your point(s) is(are) the truth, then I agree with you.

People are true Christians if they believe in Jesus, the God-man, for salvation in such a way that they will be saved. Just because a person says he is a Christian, doesn't mean he is one in the way that will save him.

One sin is all it takes to need Jesus. All Jesus was saying is that it is difficult for people who focus on things other than Jesus salvation to be saved.

Rich people usually get rich because they focus on it. Most of the time riches don't simply jump out and grab a person. But when they do, like an inheritance, or a lottery winning, the focus often goes onto the riches, off Jesus salvation.

What do you think?

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October 23, 2015, 12:12:18 PM
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Your religion simply contradicts Bible religion.
What you mean to say is that "my beliefs" about what it means to "follow Jesus" contradict "your interpretation" of "the Bible"!
I have found those parts of the Bible that state the truth; you have determined that ALL of "the Bible" is the truth. Well, HERE IS SOME TRUTH FOR YOU:

JESUS SAID THAT GOD'S KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU, not "here, God's Kingdom is here in the flesh in me, Jesus" or "there", for God's Kingdom does not come with observation (of history or events). He is telling you to join him on a higher level of consciousness.

Those who preach the ONENESS OF GOD and the brotherhood/sisterhood of humanity, These ones are blessed and true "prophets", the Peacemakers--whose guidance you must seek in your spiritual quest. Never the person--always the WORD!


BADecker speaks for the corrupt churches when he denies reason and the teachings of his own book, he wants us to submit our minds to false stories and authority. He thinks he has a monopoly on truth and refuses to look at what jesus said, namely "god is within you, not here (in jesus) or there (in the bible)". Sorry brother, you have to be responsible for what you do in this world, that means that you use reason to realize that the Bible was written by men and that Jesus was also a man so if you worship and kneel before man, you do not honor god, god works through you and speaks to your heart, you have to get up off of your knees if you want to get somewhere worth going.

Don't you remember that Jesus paraphrased the place in the Old Testament where it says that we are gods if the Word of God comes to us?

If you think that Jesus was talking about the words of the Phoenix Journals as being the Word of God, He never spoke of it. Yet He frequently quoted or paraphrased the Old Testament.

If a person doesn't accept Jesus salvation, he will be dissolved in the Lake of Fire along with the devil and his angels. There isn't any Godness in that.

This means that there is only Godness in those who are alive with Jesus and the Father, having the Holy Spirit in themselves so that they DO have Godness. And if a person has the Holy Spirit in himself so that he believes in Jesus salvation already, he is a god, even in this life.

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October 23, 2015, 03:38:25 PM
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I am an atheist but i dont hate religion. I dont like the people who use religion to further their destructive and/or manipulative agendas and to combat them i feel a need to debunk religion.

one of my favorite quotes is "If I was the Devil I would come to Earth and make the Christian Church exactly what it is today"
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October 24, 2015, 06:01:45 AM
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Your religion simply contradicts Bible religion.
What you mean to say is that "my beliefs" about what it means to "follow Jesus" contradict "your interpretation" of "the Bible"!
I have found those parts of the Bible that state the truth; you have determined that ALL of "the Bible" is the truth. Well, HERE IS SOME TRUTH FOR YOU:

JESUS SAID THAT GOD'S KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU, not "here, God's Kingdom is here in the flesh in me, Jesus" or "there", for God's Kingdom does not come with observation (of history or events). He is telling you to join him on a higher level of consciousness.

Those who preach the ONENESS OF GOD and the brotherhood/sisterhood of humanity, These ones are blessed and true "prophets", the Peacemakers--whose guidance you must seek in your spiritual quest. Never the person--always the WORD!


BADecker speaks for the corrupt churches when he denies reason and the teachings of his own book, he wants us to submit our minds to false stories and authority. He thinks he has a monopoly on truth and refuses to look at what jesus said, namely "god is within you, not here (in jesus) or there (in the bible)". Sorry brother, you have to be responsible for what you do in this world, that means that you use reason to realize that the Bible was written by men and that Jesus was also a man so if you worship and kneel before man, you do not honor god, god works through you and speaks to your heart, you have to get up off of your knees if you want to get somewhere worth going.
No need to respond to my arguments above, BADecker, just go on your merry judgmental way posting more garbage; I really tire of it and that is why you are on my ignore list, but I have a few minutes to reply to you right now...

Don't you remember that Jesus paraphrased the place in the Old Testament where it says that we are gods if the Word of God comes to us?

If you think that Jesus was talking about the words of the Phoenix Journals as being the Word of God, He never spoke of it. Yet He frequently quoted or paraphrased the Old Testament.
Oh, so now you claim that GOD did not send more messengers? You say that only the OT and NT prophets are legitimate? That Jesus has no more lessons to give us besides the tampered writings now in existence? How would you KNOW that? By NOT READING??

If a person doesn't accept Jesus salvation, he will be dissolved in the Lake of Fire along with the devil and his angels. There isn't any Godness in that.
You are wrong about that; educated Christians disagree with you; by all means post your rebuttal here:
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15353/did-jesus-actually-ever-say-if-you-dont-believe-in-me-you-go-to-hell

This means that there is only Godness in those who are alive with Jesus and the Father, having the Holy Spirit in themselves so that they DO have Godness. And if a person has the Holy Spirit in himself so that he believes in Jesus salvation already, he is a god, even in this life.
YOU ARE A GOD? THEN TELL US HOW MANY MOUNTAINS YOU HAVE MOVED.
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October 24, 2015, 06:15:34 AM
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One sin is all it takes to need Jesus. All Jesus was saying is that it is difficult for people who focus on things other than Jesus salvation to be saved.

Jesus said "repent" and "follow my example", he never said "dump your wicked actions upon me; Jesus gives you salvation".

What in the world is meant by "Jesus salvation"? "Just believe and be saved"?? This doctrine is not Biblical and here is the PROOF:

JESUS SAID THAT GOD'S KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU, not "here, God's Kingdom is here in the flesh in me, Jesus" or "there (where Jesus is going)", for God's Kingdom does not come with observation (of history or events). He is telling you to join him on a higher level of consciousness.
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October 24, 2015, 08:26:53 AM
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I am an atheist but i dont hate religion. I dont like the people who use religion to further their destructive and/or manipulative agendas and to combat them i feel a need to debunk religion.

I am an atheist, and I hate organized religions (such as Wahhabi Islam, Evangelical and Catholic Christianity) which behave like cabals or mafias. Rather than blaming the people who use religion for their own advantage, we should blame the people who created this stupidity in the first place. A world without organized religion will be more peaceful and calm.

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October 24, 2015, 07:25:44 PM
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Why do atheists not believe in God?

They have not searched for the truth with all of their heart. Many of them think the truth can be found from scientists, but some scientists have joined the scientism religion which means they will cling to their beliefs in the face of new data that shows it's wrong.

There are plenty of examples of this, such theories about there being no aether, the axis of evil that seems to conclude we're the center of the universe, not randomly placed here, etc.

So, if scientists will cling to their theories when the evidence doesn't show it to be true, that seems like a religion, to me. Not all scientists do this of course, only those who do should be labeled a part of scientism.

They believe in humans, over experiences. They will trust a scientist and believe they weren't lied to, over the their own experiences or their own trials/experiments, over their own theories.

People go along with authority and place these scientists and science books and science channels above themselves. They are ok with taking in what they hear without ever questioning it. They believe they can learn all the basics from them without questioning the data.

There was a study once done on children and sexuality from Dr. Alfred C. Kinsey, there's even the Kinsey Institute today named after him.

"...Kinsey is widely regarded as the first major figure in American sexology; his research is cited as having paved the way for a deeper exploration into sexuality among sexologists and the general public, and as having liberated female sexuality.[21][22] For example, Kinsey's work disputed the notions that women generally are not sexual and that female orgasms experienced vaginally are superior to clitoral orgasms...." (wiki)

He was pretty famous, made the cover of Time, etc. His works paved the way for the porn industry, and our sex ed classes.

But he used prostitutes for his general womens sexuality, and prison inmates and asking them on their homosexual relations, as if that was a good sampling of men in the general public, and of course he paid pedophiles to rape young children for his studies on children's sexuality. There's an excellent video on it here:  Alfred Kinsey - Sexual revolution

So I think it's safe to say we shouldn't always take researchers words on the way studies are done or how important the findings are if it's not a good sampling. Of course our culture is now based on his ideas.

Most men and women do not know who they are. Our society has brainwashed us with ideas like the hyper sexuality of today is natural.

Since people are brainwashed as they grow up into thinking some sins that they want to do are normal, and what people are born to do, they think there's nothing wrong with it.

People these days grow up thinking there's nothing wrong with sin, society says so, and they know religions may tell you not to do it, because it's "wrong", but they want to sin, so they believe society and the scientists and stars of hollywood or reality shows, who all say it's totally natural, do what you feel like (which is actually the only rule for satanism).

People don't want to be labeled as ignorant, stupid, backwards thinking, or crazy, like they believe people who believe in a God are.

So they never ask, with the innocence of a child who hasn't been brainwashed, what is really going on here? What's life all about, is their a God?

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. 14 'I will be found by you,' declares the LORD, 'and I will restore your fortunes and will gather you from all the nations and from all the places where I have driven you,' declares the LORD, 'and I will bring you back to the place from where I sent you into exile.'

Those who do not look, will never find. You don't know yourself (you see your sin and temptations as you, but they're not who you are), you don't know the Lord (because you haven't looked for Him with your whole heart), so you hate and despise the Lord but love yourself. (because you give in to sin and believe the lie that it's the way you were meant to be).

Jesus didn't come to judge the world, our sin already judges us. He came to save us from our sin.

John 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." 33 They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, 'You will become free '?" 34 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. 35 "The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. 36 "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
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October 24, 2015, 07:43:33 PM
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Atheists were just jealous on Priests that can touch those underage boys and girls.


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October 24, 2015, 07:47:22 PM
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I am an atheist but i dont hate religion. I dont like the people who use religion to further their destructive and/or manipulative agendas and to combat them i feel a need to debunk religion.

I am an atheist, and I hate organized religions (such as Wahhabi Islam, Evangelical and Catholic Christianity) which behave like cabals or mafias. Rather than blaming the people who use religion for their own advantage, we should blame the people who created this stupidity in the first place. A world without organized religion will be more peaceful and calm.

Well, I guess that adults that have imaginary friends must be stupid. There seems no way around that.

Organized religion is basically a protection racket. You play ball (which of course includes money, it´s always very much about money) or go to hell. In our time they can´t use coercion such as torture and murder anymore so of course it´s a dying scam.

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October 24, 2015, 07:50:45 PM
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Why do atheists not believe in God?

They have not searched for the truth with all of their heart. Many of them think the truth can be found from scientists, but some scientists have joined the scientism religion which means they will cling to their beliefs in the face of new data that shows it's wrong.

There are plenty of examples of this, such theories about there being no aether, the axis of evil that seems to conclude we're the center of the universe, not randomly placed here, etc.

So, if scientists will cling to their theories when the evidence doesn't show it to be true, that seems like a religion, to me. Not all scientists do this of course, only those who do should be labeled a part of scientism.

They believe in humans, over experiences. They will trust a scientist and believe they weren't lied to, over the their own experiences or their own trials/experiments, over their own theories.

People go along with authority and place these scientists and science books and science channels above themselves. They are ok with taking in what they hear without ever questioning it. They believe they can learn all the basics from them without questioning the data.

There was a study once done on children and sexuality from Dr. Alfred C. Kinsey, there's even the Kinsey Institute today named after him.

"...Kinsey is widely regarded as the first major figure in American sexology; his research is cited as having paved the way for a deeper exploration into sexuality among sexologists and the general public, and as having liberated female sexuality.[21][22] For example, Kinsey's work disputed the notions that women generally are not sexual and that female orgasms experienced vaginally are superior to clitoral orgasms...." (wiki)

He was pretty famous, made the cover of Time, etc. His works paved the way for the porn industry, and our sex ed classes.

But he used prostitutes for his general womens sexuality, and prison inmates and asking them on their homosexual relations, as if that was a good sampling of men in the general public, and of course he paid pedophiles to rape young children for his studies on children's sexuality. There's an excellent video on it here:  Alfred Kinsey - Sexual revolution

So I think it's safe to say we shouldn't always take researchers words on the way studies are done or how important the findings are if it's not a good sampling. Of course our culture is now based on his ideas.

Most men and women do not know who they are. Our society has brainwashed us with ideas like the hyper sexuality of today is natural.

Since people are brainwashed as they grow up into thinking some sins that they want to do are normal, and what people are born to do, they think there's nothing wrong with it.

People these days grow up thinking there's nothing wrong with sin, society says so, and they know religions may tell you not to do it, because it's "wrong", but they want to sin, so they believe society and the scientists and stars of hollywood or reality shows, who all say it's totally natural, do what you feel like (which is actually the only rule for satanism).

People don't want to be labeled as ignorant, stupid, backwards thinking, or crazy, like they believe people who believe in a God are.

So they never ask, with the innocence of a child who hasn't been brainwashed, what is really going on here? What's life all about, is their a God?

Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. 14 'I will be found by you,' declares the LORD, 'and I will restore your fortunes and will gather you from all the nations and from all the places where I have driven you,' declares the LORD, 'and I will bring you back to the place from where I sent you into exile.'

Those who do not look, will never find. You don't know yourself (you see your sin and temptations as you, but they're not who you are), you don't know the Lord (because you haven't looked for Him with your whole heart), so you hate and despise the Lord but love yourself. (because you give in to sin and believe the lie that it's the way you were meant to be).

Jesus didn't come to judge the world, our sin already judges us. He came to save us from our sin.

John 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free." 33 They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, 'You will become free '?" 34 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin. 35 "The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. 36 "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.

That's OT.


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October 24, 2015, 07:53:45 PM
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Your religion simply contradicts Bible religion.
What you mean to say is that "my beliefs" about what it means to "follow Jesus" contradict "your interpretation" of "the Bible"!
I have found those parts of the Bible that state the truth; you have determined that ALL of "the Bible" is the truth. Well, HERE IS SOME TRUTH FOR YOU:

JESUS SAID THAT GOD'S KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU, not "here, God's Kingdom is here in the flesh in me, Jesus" or "there", for God's Kingdom does not come with observation (of history or events). He is telling you to join him on a higher level of consciousness.

Those who preach the ONENESS OF GOD and the brotherhood/sisterhood of humanity, These ones are blessed and true "prophets", the Peacemakers--whose guidance you must seek in your spiritual quest. Never the person--always the WORD!


BADecker speaks for the corrupt churches when he denies reason and the teachings of his own book, he wants us to submit our minds to false stories and authority. He thinks he has a monopoly on truth and refuses to look at what jesus said, namely "god is within you, not here (in jesus) or there (in the bible)". Sorry brother, you have to be responsible for what you do in this world, that means that you use reason to realize that the Bible was written by men and that Jesus was also a man so if you worship and kneel before man, you do not honor god, god works through you and speaks to your heart, you have to get up off of your knees if you want to get somewhere worth going.
No need to respond to my arguments above, BADecker, just go on your merry judgmental way posting more garbage; I really tire of it and that is why you are on my ignore list, but I have a few minutes to reply to you right now...

Don't you remember that Jesus paraphrased the place in the Old Testament where it says that we are gods if the Word of God comes to us?

If you think that Jesus was talking about the words of the Phoenix Journals as being the Word of God, He never spoke of it. Yet He frequently quoted or paraphrased the Old Testament.
Oh, so now you claim that GOD did not send more messengers? You say that only the OT and NT prophets are legitimate? That Jesus has no more lessons to give us besides the tampered writings now in existence? How would you KNOW that? By NOT READING??

If a person doesn't accept Jesus salvation, he will be dissolved in the Lake of Fire along with the devil and his angels. There isn't any Godness in that.
You are wrong about that; educated Christians disagree with you; by all means post your rebuttal here:
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15353/did-jesus-actually-ever-say-if-you-dont-believe-in-me-you-go-to-hell

This means that there is only Godness in those who are alive with Jesus and the Father, having the Holy Spirit in themselves so that they DO have Godness. And if a person has the Holy Spirit in himself so that he believes in Jesus salvation already, he is a god, even in this life.
YOU ARE A GOD? THEN TELL US HOW MANY MOUNTAINS YOU HAVE MOVED.

Having troubles, aren't you. By your own teaching, if I follow the new commandment, to love my neighbor as myself, then I have the strength to be like a god. Then, if I as a god, attribute my godness to Jesus salvation, Jesus has been lifted higher than other people by me. And since there are millions of God fearing, right acting, new commandment loving, Christians who attribute their salvation to Jesus, then they along with me lift Jesus higher than all others. Thus, even by your own law, Jesus is the Savior, because by your law we have made Him the Savior.    Cheesy

The point? Bible teaching stands above all else. Even your own teaching suggests this by the above logic. Jesus is God. Jesus is Lord. Jesus is Savior.

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