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June 26, 2017, 09:15:01 PM
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Florida Sheriff: 'Get a Concealed Firearms License and Carry It'





Another Florida sheriff is urging citizens to arm themselves and fight back if they should find themselves in an active shooter situation.

Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd told WFTS ABC News that while running and hiding can be a good option during some active shooter attacks, he hopes people will prepare if they should need to fight back themselves.

"If you're not afraid of a gun, get one," Judd said. "Become proficient. Get a concealed firearms license and carry it. And if you need to shoot somebody, shoot 'em a lot."

"The armed assailant doesn't plan on you fighting back," he said. "He plans on having a gun, doing all the shooting, and you're just the sitting duck. Well, the ducks need to shoot back."

Polk resident Mary Dailey disagrees with Sheriff Judd.

"That's ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous," Dailey said. "I'm all for your right to own a gun if you are a responsible person, but you should have to prove it."


Read more and click the links at https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/06/no_author/get-gun-fight-back/.


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June 27, 2017, 12:51:59 AM
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You simply get up and do it. Get your gun and defend yourself.

It is not that easy. Illegal guns are available easily, but if the authorities came to know about it, then they will arrest you. Normally people get 6-7 years behind bars for possession of illegal guns.

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June 27, 2017, 01:31:48 AM
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You simply get up and do it. Get your gun and defend yourself.

It is not that easy. Illegal guns are available easily, but if the authorities came to know about it, then they will arrest you. Normally people get 6-7 years behind bars for possession of illegal guns.

Remember the rest of my post, the part you deleted? My response was regarding defending yourself. Waving your illegal gun around in the faces of the authorities isn't defending yourself. Then what is? Doing whatever it takes to defend yourself.

Your defense is already partially lost if you live where you can't have guns. And it isn't a gun thing. It is a property thing. If they can dictate to you what property you can have and what you can't, then you are their property.

Remember. It's about defending yourself. You will need to figure out what to do that works.

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June 27, 2017, 08:38:58 AM
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In my country, to own a gun, you need:

- a membership from a shooting range
- you need to be active in the shooting range (at least a dozen times a year)
- you need to take an exam every 5 years
- you need to pay extra tax every 5 years
- your doctor needs to sign a weaver that you are capable of owning a gun
- you need a special cage to store your gun
- you need a signature of every person over 18 years old, living in your house
- certain calibers are just illegal, no normal civillian can own them... Period (it's pretty hard to own a firearm other than caliber 6 and 9 mm)
- the amount of ammunition you can own is limited (i think you can have 10.000 cartridges as a private citizen)

So it's basically almost impossible to own a gun legally (many people own guns illegally tough). However, gun related deaths are pretty low.

EDIT: even after all these thing, the government can change gun controll laws whenever they want. If you stop complying to the new laws, you have to turn in your firearm with the police for free, even when you bought it legally... (this actually happened on  two occasions the last couple of years)


I personally dont like the idea of owning a gun illegaly unless if you could comply this law .Some of the reason why people buy gun because of security purposes which they are force to buy it.I think the government must provide security to its citizen of the society so that it will lessen owning illegal gun and less shooting incident would happen.

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June 28, 2017, 01:13:38 AM
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I personally dont like the idea of owning a gun illegaly unless if you could comply this law .Some of the reason why people buy gun because of security purposes which they are force to buy it.I think the government must provide security to its citizen of the society so that it will lessen owning illegal gun and less shooting incident would happen.

Achieving this is not currently practical economically or otherwise.

A quick peek at Google shows 7.7/1000 restraining orders alone (U.S.).  Usually restraining orders are taken out by a female when there are problems with a violent and unpredictable former male partner, and often enough the restrainee violates the order.  Considering the population (well North of 300,000,000 here) protecting these people alone with state provided physical security is completely out of the question.

What the state can do, or at least will soon be able to do, would be to fit all citizens with biometric tracking devices.  These devices could be configured to detect behavior which constitutes a security risk and modifies such behavior in real time.  I've no doubt that many people in leadership positions would welcome such a thing (for all but themselves), and I would guess that many people would consider that so outfiting all citizens (including themselves) in the interest of security would be worth the theoretical problems which could crop up.

Of course, in some situations (like mine) threats from wild animals and other rural duties are the primary reason I 'keep and bear arms' so even if the threat from my fellow humans (especially those with a weakness for methamphetamines) were non-existent I would still have need for firearms.


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June 28, 2017, 05:06:12 AM
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In my country, to own a gun, you need:

- a membership from a shooting range
- you need to be active in the shooting range (at least a dozen times a year)
- you need to take an exam every 5 years
- you need to pay extra tax every 5 years
- your doctor needs to sign a weaver that you are capable of owning a gun
- you need a special cage to store your gun
- you need a signature of every person over 18 years old, living in your house
- certain calibers are just illegal, no normal civillian can own them... Period (it's pretty hard to own a firearm other than caliber 6 and 9 mm)
- the amount of ammunition you can own is limited (i think you can have 10.000 cartridges as a private citizen)

So it's basically almost impossible to own a gun legally (many people own guns illegally tough). However, gun related deaths are pretty low.

EDIT: even after all these thing, the government can change gun controll laws whenever they want. If you stop complying to the new laws, you have to turn in your firearm with the police for free, even when you bought it legally... (this actually happened on  two occasions the last couple of years)


Gun should only be given to those people who can comply this law.
So that we can avoid incidents on gun fire.
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June 28, 2017, 11:27:23 AM
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In my country, to own a gun, you need:

- a membership from a shooting range
- you need to be active in the shooting range (at least a dozen times a year)
- you need to take an exam every 5 years
- you need to pay extra tax every 5 years
- your doctor needs to sign a weaver that you are capable of owning a gun
- you need a special cage to store your gun
- you need a signature of every person over 18 years old, living in your house
- certain calibers are just illegal, no normal civillian can own them... Period (it's pretty hard to own a firearm other than caliber 6 and 9 mm)
- the amount of ammunition you can own is limited (i think you can have 10.000 cartridges as a private citizen)

So it's basically almost impossible to own a gun legally (many people own guns illegally tough). However, gun related deaths are pretty low.

EDIT: even after all these thing, the government can change gun controll laws whenever they want. If you stop complying to the new laws, you have to turn in your firearm with the police for free, even when you bought it legally... (this actually happened on  two occasions the last couple of years)


Gun should only be given to those people who can comply this law.
So that we can avoid incidents on gun fire.

Uh, huh, because terrorists dont get guns, if its illegal.

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Agent Mulham said, “Well, a quality pistol like a Glock might go for double or triple retail. Lower-quality guns, however, are often worth only $100 or $200 more than retail.”

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June 28, 2017, 02:00:10 PM
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I hate guns and think it only cause troubles. Especialy when every psycho can have it. And I don't bel self defense is an excuse. Violence only leads to violence.
So I'm for full gun control and I wouldn't support that people could be given guns easily. And just think how many children gets hurt because of all kind of weapons that were available to them.

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I hate guns and think it only cause troubles. Especialy when every psycho can have it. And I don't bel self defense is an excuse. Violence only leads to violence.
So I'm for full gun control and I wouldn't support that people could be given guns easily. And just think how many children gets hurt because of all kind of weapons that were available to them.

Think of how many children 'gets hurt' because skateboards and bicycles are available to them.

Both numbers are dwarfed by the number who get life-long debilitating medical conditions because they are forced by the state to have harmful immune system compromising substances mainlined into their circulatory system.  But at least the pharmaceutical industry is making a ton of money when half of the kids are on some prescription meds for conditions that, for some reason, nobody can figure out the reasons for.

The 'think of the children' line of bullshit is as old as the hills.  Fewer and fewer people are falling for it.  But still way to many.


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June 28, 2017, 03:35:25 PM
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I hate guns and think it only cause troubles. Especialy when every psycho can have it. And I don't bel self defense is an excuse. Violence only leads to violence.
So I'm for full gun control and I wouldn't support that people could be given guns easily. And just think how many children gets hurt because of all kind of weapons that were available to them.

You dont hate tools, you hate other human beings and freedoms they have. Those bans dont affect those tools, but men, who wield them according to law and common sense.

Criminals dont abide by laws, thats why they are criminals. And guns are not magical items with their own free will. They are merely tools. Sometimes quite primitive tools, that Ahmed or Ivan can make in a garage during slow afternoon.

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June 29, 2017, 09:52:28 PM
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Law-Abiding Citizens Have More Than 600 Million Firearms in America





We've all seen this meme around the interwebs, right?

"Legal gun owners have over 200 million guns… and 12 trillion rounds of ammo. Seriously, people… if we were a problem, you'd know it!"

I've also seen one that claims we have over 400 million guns and 24 trillion rounds of ammunition. The fact is, while there is no definitive way to tally all the firearms in the United States, it is commonly accepted and reported that there are roughly 300 million firearms in the hands of law-abiding Americans.

But has anyone else noticed that number hasn't moved in years, even in the 8 years Obama sparked an increase in gun sales, the gun run during Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, and after the NICS background checks system set new records for 15 straight months?

So what if that "300 million" estimate is wrong?

According to Weapons Man, it is:

We believe that the correct number is much higher — somewhere between 412 and 660 million.  You may wonder how we came to that number, so buckle up (and cringe, if you're a math-phobe, although it never gets too theoretical): unlike most of the academics and reporters we linked above, we're going to use publicly available data, and show our work.

What if we told you that one ATF computer system logged, by serial number, 252,000,000 unique firearms, and represented only those firearms manufactured, imported or sold by a relatively small number of the nation's tens of thousands of Federal Firearms Licensees?


Read more at https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/06/no_author/guess-many-firearms/.


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June 29, 2017, 09:55:02 PM
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National Concealed Reciprocity Bill Picks up 200th Supporter in House





Legislation to treat concealed carry permits like drivers' licenses nationwide is gaining steam in Congress while opponents dig in.

Introduced by U.S. Rep. Richard Hudson, R-NC, on the first day of session in the new House, the bill now enjoys the support of Hudson and 199 co-sponsors from 42 states. The bill is largely Republican, with three Democrats crossing the aisle, and is currently one of the top 10 most-viewed bills in Congress.

"Your driver's license works in every state, so why doesn't your concealed carry permit?" says a backgrounder on the bill circulated by Hudson's office. "Just like your privilege to drive, your Second Amendment right does not disappear when you cross state lines. However, conflicting state codes have created a confusing patchwork of reciprocity agreements for concealed carry permit holders."

Hudson's bill would amend federal law to allow those eligible to possess a firearm to have a concealed handgun in any state that allows individuals to carry a pistol or revolver. Those who do so would have to carry a valid permit with them as well as a photo ID. The bill also applies to nonresident permit holders.

A companion measure, U.S. Sen. John Cornyn's S.446, has 37 co-sponsors, all Republican.

While Second Amendment groups large and small support the legislation, gun control advocates have drawn a line in the sand to stop the bill, with former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg's Everytown organization pledging as much as $25 million to derail the campaign.


Read more and click the links at https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/06/no_author/concealed-carry-everywhere/.


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Czechs Writing Own Second Amendment to Combat Islamic Terror





Czech Republic expected to recognize gun rights. The Czech Republic is on track to re-enact constitutional gun rights in response to recent terror attacks and the migrant crisis in Europe.

The Czech lower chamber approved a bill on Wednesday to strengthen gun ownership not long after the Eastern European country strengthened its border security to repel an influx of Muslim migrants.

Both actions are in defiance of the EU which is pressuring member-states to take in more migrants and tighten their gun control laws.

The bill recognizes the rights of citizens to use their privately-owned firearms to defend the security of the country, and the Czech Republic is already one of the most gun friendly countries in Europe.

"This constitutional bill is in reaction to the recent increase of security threats, especially the danger of violent acts such as isolated terrorist attacks… active attackers or other violent hybrid threats," the bill stated.

The bill now heads to the Czech upper chamber where, once approved, it will go to President Milos Zeman for his signature.

Zeman is expected to sign; the bill was his brainchild, as Infowars reported in August.

"Earlier I spoke often about limiting the ability to have large quantities of weapons. But after the terrorist attacks, I have changed the idea," he said at the time.


Read more and click the links at https://www.prisonplanet.com/czechs-writing-own-second-amendment-to-combat-islamic-terror.html.


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Guns are a dangerous thing for peaceful development of the country, so I think it should be forbidden. It is dangerous for the people.
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June 30, 2017, 06:17:57 AM
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First and foremost you don't have to own a gun if you don't have the authority. Guns are for those who implement peace and and order in your community to secure everyone's safety.
 
Gun control is mostly applicable in countries with high rate of gun related crimes.

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First and foremost you don't have to own a gun if you don't have the authority. Guns are for those who implement peace and and order in your community to secure everyone's safety.
 
Gun control is mostly applicable in countries with high rate of gun related crimes.
You have the wrong idea about who can own a gun. Why do you think that the owner should be the authority? The weapon must protect the life and health of the owner, the Authority is another. In addition you offer through the authority to create a caste of untouchables. It is not correct.
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June 30, 2017, 05:07:20 PM
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First and foremost you don't have to own a gun if you don't have the authority. Guns are for those who implement peace and and order in your community to secure everyone's safety.
 
Gun control is mostly applicable in countries with high rate of gun related crimes.
You have the wrong idea about who can own a gun. Why do you think that the owner should be the authority? The weapon must protect the life and health of the owner, the Authority is another. In addition you offer through the authority to create a caste of untouchables. It is not correct.

In my opinion, a man just wants to protect himself and his family from bandits. The weapon helps us to make it and feel completely safe.
But we must remember that weapons in bad hands can lead to bad consequences


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July 01, 2017, 05:44:04 AM
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If existing another weapon from guns, we must have a guns in homes. In this times with terrorism and evil... Im sad that in Poland we dont have a right to have a simple gun for selfdefense, im sad when Im looking in fb for my friends in UK or D in crowd of engry people who have only claims and ofen brute power Sad
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July 01, 2017, 11:04:46 AM
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First and foremost you don't have to own a gun if you don't have the authority. Guns are for those who implement peace and and order in your community to secure everyone's safety.
 
Gun control is mostly applicable in countries with high rate of gun related crimes.
You have the wrong idea about who can own a gun. Why do you think that the owner should be the authority? The weapon must protect the life and health of the owner, the Authority is another. In addition you offer through the authority to create a caste of untouchables. It is not correct.

In my opinion, a man just wants to protect himself and his family from bandits. The weapon helps us to make it and feel completely safe.
But we must remember that weapons in bad hands can lead to bad consequences
,Well i have heard so many issues and risks about having a weapon or a tool such as guns in possession. Most people also becomes arrogant when they already have a gun or a weapon because they depend on the thing, but I also believe pn what the OP says it depends upon the user, it could be beneficial, example like what you have said about self defense.
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July 01, 2017, 01:02:12 PM
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If existing another weapon from guns, we must have a guns in homes. In this times with terrorism and evil... Im sad that in Poland we dont have a right to have a simple gun for selfdefense, im sad when Im looking in fb for my friends in UK or D in crowd of engry people who have only claims and ofen brute power Sad
In England people are allowed to have weapons. They lost this right and now probably really regret it. I think this is a good example of the fact that the public should not trust government and to always defend their rights.
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