What's your opinion of gun control?

[criptix]

If only the police and the bystanders had weapons dallas would never have happened  

This freaking no gun zones!!!!!!!1111111oneone

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[helloeverybody]

Gun control is stupid, criminals dont need firearms legally

You mean that gun's should be possible to buy in every bigger store?
this is stupid.I think gun control is good when authorized civil people can get armed with it,if they cannot it is just sick.

By far the great majority of people are peaceful. If each peaceful person had a thousand guns, and 10 million rounds of ammo, he/she would never harm anyone with it.

The violent, bad people will always be able to get guns and ammo, if they have to make it all themselves.

Peaceful people have the right to protect themselves. When they protect themselves by taking out the violent, bad people who are attacking them, they are doing everyone a service.

As soon as all the violent, bad people are gone, there will be almost no more shootings.

Obviously, law enforcement isn't taking out the violent, bad people. Somebody has to do it.

And what about those inbetweem?  Those with depression and mental illnesses?  Those with known criminal association with gangs etc.  These people can be stopped from having firearms and if they do decide to illegally aquire firearms then appropriate action could be taken.

Out of Curiosity where the firearms used to murder those police legally owned?

[kaitou.kidd]

For me it's all about freedom. The 2nd Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms. That right has been infringed upon enough. Gun control is a joke. How would you like to live in a society where only the police and criminals had guns ?

[helloeverybody]

For me it's all about freedom. The 2nd Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms. That right has been infringed upon enough. Gun control is a joke. How would you like to live in a society where only the police and criminals had guns ?

Nobody in this thread seems to understand though that gun control doesnt mean everyone get their guns taken away from them, It simply means tightening up restrictions on them so that people who are though to be a danger to themselves or others wouldn't be allowed guns. Why do you all want people who shouldn't be allowed access to guns the right to carry them about and commit atrocities.

I will say again, Gun control doesnt mean no guns. the uk has some of the strictest gun controls in the world yet civilians can still own guns, No they cant use them for personal defence and they cant carry them around town with them but this is the opposite extreme from America, a happy medium could easily be reached which in turn could save countless lives. It comes down to common sense and a gun free for all is bad news.

[TheButterZone]

For me it's all about freedom. The 2nd Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms. That right has been infringed upon enough. Gun control is a joke. How would you like to live in a society where only the police and criminals had guns ?

The human right to self-defense will never be infringed upon enough for those who tighten restrictions (like a noose) so tightly that everyone except violent criminals as always and forever, will have their guns taken from them as "a danger to themselves or others", solely determined by violent criminal safety advocates.

Violent criminals simply cannot coexist in a world where the human right to self-defense is uninfringed by their beloved "gun control" laws. See the per capita violent crime rate of the UK, 3.31001528944831x that of the US, in 2011.

One would think the US government, as it is controlled by violent criminal safety advocates, would have every reason to fudge its numbers even WORSE than the self-defenseless UK to do "whatever it takes to justify gun control", and the UK government, as it is also controlled by violent criminal safety advocates, would have every reason to fudge its numbers even BETTER than the US to shriek "OMG GUNS, this is proof their streets are rivers of blood and banning effective self-defense equals utopia!"

Yet both governments are simultaneously "lying" in exactly the WRONG directions to prove "gun control works exactly as intended"?  

[criptix]

For me it's all about freedom. The 2nd Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms. That right has been infringed upon enough. Gun control is a joke. How would you like to live in a society where only the police and criminals had guns ?

The human right to self-defense will never be infringed upon enough for those who tighten restrictions (like a noose) so tightly that everyone except violent criminals as always and forever, will have their guns taken from them as "a danger to themselves or others", solely determined by violent criminal safety advocates.

Violent criminals simply cannot coexist in a world where the human right to self-defense is uninfringed by their beloved "gun control" laws. See the per capita violent crime rate of the UK, 3.31001528944831x that of the US, in 2011.

Wow another guy going down the lying route.
What you posted is a totaly wrong comparison which goes into manipulation and outright lying, congratz:

https://www.quora.com/Does-the-United-Kingdom-have-a-violent-crime-rate-four-times-higher-than-the-United-States

[practicaldreamer]

The real problem isn't who is allowed to own guns - the real problem is, who is getting the short end of the stick by everyone being allowed to own guns ? White middle class America ?  

When you talk about gun control you are talking about it from a position of relative (albeit paranoid) safety.

No, its not you bitcoiners paying the price - its the likes of Diamond Reynolds getting the short end of the stick, from where I'm sat.

Lets hope they don't take the battle to your doors hey ? Is that what its going to take to bring it home ?

Whats the end game here ?

You are on the wrong track.

George Soros just donated 12 million dollars to "Black Lives Matter."  That is a shadowy group whose strings are being pulled by nobody knows who.  Days later this event in Dallas happens.

Not yet another conspiracy, surely ?

Maybe Soros just believes that black lives matter.

[BADecker]

For me it's all about freedom. The 2nd Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms. That right has been infringed upon enough. Gun control is a joke. How would you like to live in a society where only the police and criminals had guns ?

Nobody in this thread seems to understand though that gun control doesnt mean everyone get their guns taken away from them, It simply means tightening up restrictions on them so that people who are though to be a danger to themselves or others wouldn't be allowed guns. Why do you all want people who shouldn't be allowed access to guns the right to carry them about and commit atrocities.

I will say again, Gun control doesnt mean no guns. the uk has some of the strictest gun controls in the world yet civilians can still own guns, No they cant use them for personal defence and they cant carry them around town with them but this is the opposite extreme from America, a happy medium could easily be reached which in turn could save countless lives. It comes down to common sense and a gun free for all is bad news.

However, government has no authority to do gun control on your own property, in your own residence. And if you make a contract with your neighbors whose property hooks to yours, government doesn't have authority for any gun control over your group. And if your group works with groups all over the city, government has no authority for gun control over any of you.

The only place government has authority for any gun control is on public property, or property that is treated as public property, temporarily, for purposes of buying and selling.

[Betwrong]

I think that any adult who is mentally healthy should have the right to have a gun. When laws do not permit to people have guns we end up only criminals have them and that is not fair.

[helloeverybody]

I think that any adult who is mentally healthy should have the right to have a gun. When laws do not permit to people have guns we end up only criminals have them and that is not fair.

There's more to it than just mentally stable people having guns.  What about people who are on the terrororist suspect list?  You can't risk these people having guns.  Ec convicts that have Spent x amount of years in jail.  People who want guns but have emotionaly or mentally unstable siblings or family members.  Background checks should include checks on anyone living with you because these people are also potential risks.

[frankmb]

Guns aren't tools but guns!

Everyone's opinion changes once one of their kids found the gun from under their fathers bed and it doesn't end happy.

Here almost never anyone get killed with guns like in the USA, but then again USA can do whatever they want because i stay away from there.

[BADecker]

Guns aren't tools but guns!

Guns are gun-tools.

Everyone's opinion changes once one of their kids found the gun from under their fathers bed and it doesn't end happy.

Father who doesn't train his children in guns and gun usage is foolish, whether he has guns or not.

Here almost never anyone get killed with guns like in the USA, but then again USA can do whatever they want because i stay away from there.

The only reason there is freedom in the world at all is because there is gun freedom in America and Switzerland.

[btcnijuan]

The laws already cover youth, criminals and the mentally disabled so they don't need to be stricter. Those people can get a gun on the street. If they go to a legitimate store, they will not be able to buy one.

[hermanhs09]

The laws already cover youth, criminals and the mentally disabled so they don't need to be stricter. Those people can get a gun on the street. If they go to a legitimate store, they will not be able to buy one.

I like gun control law in texas actually.
If someone enter's into your house,you can just shoot him without any punishment,
because it is YOUR house,right? seems cool for me

[Snorek]

What I think would be a nice change for US Gun Control legislation is incorporate similar laws as Switzerland has. Especially these points:

1. In order to purchase most weapons, the purchaser must obtain a weapon acquisition permit.

2.  Swiss citizens and foreigners with a C permit over the age of 18 who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and who have a clean criminal record can request such a permit.

And especially this is important imo:

3. Foreigners with the following citizenship are explicitly excluded from the right to possess weapons: Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania.

I think introducing something like that would be beneficial for safety of everyone in US. Especially point 3; as Muslims (as general statistics show) are high risk group among owners of guns.

[WhalingWhales]

I think that in places like Texas where the trespassing is a common stuff, the people need a way to protect them self. But if you own a firearm you should keep it in a place where nobody can find it or reach it. In order not to happen many unwanted things

[tvbcof]

What I think would be a nice change for US Gun Control legislation is incorporate similar laws as Switzerland has. Especially these points:

1. In order to purchase most weapons, the purchaser must obtain a weapon acquisition permit.

2.  Swiss citizens and foreigners with a C permit over the age of 18 who are not psychiatrically disqualified nor identified as posing security problems, and who have a clean criminal record can request such a permit.

And especially this is important imo:

3. Foreigners with the following citizenship are explicitly excluded from the right to possess weapons: Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Albania.

I think introducing something like that would be beneficial for safety of everyone in US. Especially point 3; as Muslims (as general statistics show) are high risk group among owners of guns.

How long before being 'psychiatrically qualified' means that there are no signs that the subject harbors any distrust of the nation's current political leadership?  I suggest that it would happen within about 5 minutes.  Further, I suggest that the sieve would be designed to strongly err on the 'safe side' and further yet that it would be tuned to be miraculously pro-active.  That is to say, we would see disarmament of people who would distrust a future political leaderships and very possibly the arming of persons who are predictably likely to display the opposite proclivities.

[BADecker]

Look. When anybody in government orders you to turn in your guns, or anything else, do this, from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1542458.msg15549317#msg15549317.

Make some money. Whenever a government person tells you to do something, ask him if it is an order. If he says, No, then tell him, Have a nice day, and leave. If he says, Yes, then inform him (simply because you are being fair) that this kind of order will cost him a minimum of $250,000 plus court and other costs if there are any. Does he still want to give you his order? If he does, send him a bill. If he won't pay, take him to court as a man (not a government person) just like you would any other man who owed you money and didn't pay. You should be able to get it out of his bond if nowhere else.

After all, when you give orders to the waitress, she expects to get paid. So why shouldn't you get paid when you fill somebody else's orders?

http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/

[virtualx]

I think that in places like Texas where the trespassing is a common stuff, the people need a way to protect them self. But if you own a firearm you should keep it in a place where nobody can find it or reach it. In order not to happen many unwanted things

Similar to keeping cleaning materials far away from little kids. (sometimes they have a security lock).
Strangely enough there are a lot of gun incidents in the US, but much less so in other countries where owning guns is normal. (Swiss and others)

I think that any adult who is mentally healthy should have the right to have a gun. When laws do not permit to people have guns we end up only criminals have them and that is not fair.

How would you judge who is mentally healthy and who is not? Who will pay for these tests?

[Spendulus]

I think that in places like Texas where the trespassing is a common stuff, the people need a way to protect them self. But if you own a firearm you should keep it in a place where nobody can find it or reach it. In order not to happen many unwanted things

Similar to keeping cleaning materials far away from little kids. (sometimes they have a security lock).
Strangely enough there are a lot of gun incidents in the US, but much less so in other countries where owning guns is normal. (Swiss and others)

I think that any adult who is mentally healthy should have the right to have a gun. When laws do not permit to people have guns we end up only criminals have them and that is not fair.

How would you judge who is mentally healthy and who is not? Who will pay for these tests?

Why, the political party in power at the moment would adjudicate who is mentally healthy.  This is very easy.  For example, evidence of unstable mental character can be established by searching databases for who voted for the other party.