Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence

[niko]

So, the summary I have so far:
Sonny Vleisides, the guy who was involved in the $25mil scam, is a high level executive, but without majority holding, and thus no control of the company.
Chris Vleisides, his stepfather, is the president of the company.
Andrew Vleisides, Sonny's cousin, registered the domain, and I guess likely runs the website.
Nasser Ghoseiri is the CEO of the company.
The company bought a defunct corporate name, and is incorporated in a different state (which are both understandable, since to register a new corp costs ~$150 instead of $50, and likely Missouri has shit corporate laws).
Most of the money sent to the company is converted to USD right away, and resides in a business checking account.
The corporation is using standard financial controls, including multiple signatures required on checks.

Did I get anything wrong?

That seems fine, with the caveat that some of the statements above are hear-say from the interview (no offense, enmaku). If Sonny and other BFL executives step out and answer at least some of the questions in the Town Hall thread, we can add "according to..." to some of the stuff above, and move on.

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[Phinnaeus Gage]

I posed this question on another thread, and now believe this is the better place to ask it again.

Has Josh ever published his last name on this forum or elsewhere? I'm not asking so that I can hunt via that information, but because I believe I found something and am ready to publish it, and what to make sure. I'm a tad tired now and don't want to post any misleading information and fuck up my recent track record. 

That said, I'm going to bed now, and in the morning I'll see if this question is answered. I'll review my findings after being rested and, if warranted, will post in this thread.

Hold off on your orders until you read what I've found, but restart ordering if my newly found info is bogus, then continue to order until I say stop again.

Night, all.

~Bruno~

[greyhawk]

So, the summary I have so far:
Sonny Vleisides, the guy who was involved in the $25mil scam, is a high level executive, but without majority holding, and thus no control of the company.
Chris Vleisides, his stepfather, is the president of the company.
Andrew Vleisides, Sonny's cousin, registered the domain, and I guess likely runs the website.
Nasser Ghoseiri is the CEO of the company.
The company bought a defunct corporate name, and is incorporated in a different state (which are both understandable, since to register a new corp costs ~$150 instead of $50, and likely Missouri has shit corporate laws).
Most of the money sent to the company is converted to USD right away, and resides in a business checking account.
The corporation is using standard financial controls, including multiple signatures required on checks.

Did I get anything wrong?

Nope, sounds good.

[guruvan]

Does sonny have access to millions that have not been recovered from the scam, and is he using bfl to launder the money?

I like this one though, I would seriously doubt using the company directly to launder it...but, running a company that makes washing machines could be a serious bonus for a guy who's held onto a bunch of dirty funds.

As far as taking over a defunct corporation: A lot of companies won't extend credit of any sort to newly registered companies - they want companies that have been in business for 2,3,5,10 yrs. This is a primary reason I tried to reacquire a company I sold years ago (and was defunct when I tried to reacquire it). I'd guess also that there's a calculated guess that vendors won't perform the same level of due diligence on an older corp than a new one, and thus not necessarily see the current owner's conviction for fraud. Save $100? LOLZ.

[Bitinvestor]

running a company that makes washing machines could be a serious bonus for a guy who's held onto a bunch of dirty funds.

Absolutely, good thinking.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I mentioned above that I'm going to pen a post about a guy named Josh and BFL of which I'm going to do now, but do feel it may not be a proper fit here given the title and theme of this thread. Likewise, the Town Hall thread doesn't seem right either. That said, I'm going to start a thread in Off-topic on what I've found, that way, if warranted, the information will migrate to its proper locale.

Remember, archive.org accepts bitcoins.

~Bruno~

[Phinnaeus Gage]

As promised, here's the new thread with the most recent information I've uncovered concerning Bitforce Consultancy LLC and some guy named Josh. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112832.0

~Bruno~

[Inaba]

Why are you being so irresponsible, that's my question?

[MrTeal]

Why are you being so irresponsible, that's my question?

It should be pretty obvious, I'd think.

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[RHA]

When a fool makes something not so foolish (like putting obvious BS at off-topic thread), you have to know it is only a mistake which he will correct gladly soon.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

When a fool makes something not so foolish (like putting obvious BS at off-topic thread), you have to know it is only a mistake which he will correct gladly soon.

I simply wanted the information out there for all to see and felt that Off-topic was the best place to present my findings so not to derail any ongoing threads. Was just trying to be considerate.

~Bruno~

[franky1]

So, the summary I have so far:
Sonny Vleisides, the guy who was involved in the $25mil scam, is a high level executive, but without majority holding, and thus no control of the company.
Chris Vleisides, his stepfather, is the president of the company.
Andrew Vleisides, Sonny's cousin, registered the domain, and I guess likely runs the website.
Nasser Ghoseiri is the CEO of the company.
The company bought a defunct corporate name, and is incorporated in a different state (which are both understandable, since to register a new corp costs ~$150 instead of $50, and likely Missouri has shit corporate laws).
Most of the money sent to the company is converted to USD right away, and resides in a business checking account.
The corporation is using standard financial controls, including multiple signatures required on checks.

Did I get anything wrong?

on this note id like INABA to confirm nasser is the CEO and takes a active role in the BFL offices. and is not just a back seat passenger with a glossy name badge while sonny takes the reigns and does the driving?

no waffle please, no insults .. just one straight forward answer for once. take a sip of coffee before u reply INABA, stay relaxed and just answer the question in a diplomatic and mature way.

is nasser CEO .. and does he play an active role in the BFL offices and is not a back seat passenger while someone else is in the driving seat?

[Inaba]

I simply wanted the information out there for all to see and felt that Off-topic was the best place to present my findings so not to derail any ongoing threads. Was just trying to be considerate.

Considerate?  Really?  I'll let poor Josh Wepman know you were just trying to be "considerate."

Franky1: Please shut up.  Your inane babbling is almost as bad as Mem's ridiculously childish insults.  Are you related to him or something?  You do know he's declared mentally handicapped by Australian law, right?  You are striving to be equal to a mentally challenged person, please rise above that level at least.

[niko]

I simply wanted the information out there for all to see and felt that Off-topic was the best place to present my findings so not to derail any ongoing threads. Was just trying to be considerate.

Considerate?  Really?  I'll let poor Josh Wepman know you were just trying to be "considerate."

Franky1: Please shut up.  Your inane babbling is almost as bad as Mem's ridiculously childish insults.  Are you related to him or something?  You do know he's declared mentally handicapped by Australian law, right?  You are striving to be equal to a mentally challenged person, please rise above that level at least.

Inaba... Since you are apparently so superior in every way, can't you use your mental capacities to make this forum a better place?

[franky1]

I simply wanted the information out there for all to see and felt that Off-topic was the best place to present my findings so not to derail any ongoing threads. Was just trying to be considerate.

Considerate?  Really?  I'll let poor Josh Wepman know you were just trying to be "considerate."

Franky1: Please shut up.  Your inane babbling is almost as bad as Mem's ridiculously childish insults.  Are you related to him or something?  You do know he's declared mentally handicapped by Australian law, right?  You are striving to be equal to a mentally challenged person, please rise above that level at least.

answer one single question with actual maturity.. your waffles of insults are useless and makes you look like you are incompetent in your role of a corporate spokesperson,

so again 1 single straight answer

is nasser CEO .. and does he play an active role in the BFL offices and is not a back seat passenger while someone else is in the driving seat?

[Inaba]

Franky1, here is my single answer:  Please shut up.

If you want waffles, go to Waffle House (or Huddle House, depending on where you live.  Although I don't know if "The back woods of Arkansas" has Huddle Houses)

[franky1]

lol INABA i love your insults, and your lack of answers. as you know by answering it i already have the proof that opposes the answer..

although BFL has said nasser is CEO. he actually lives and works in france. for a bank. so nasser is just the glossy face to put onto the company paperwork as being the CEO, but does not do any day to day work in BFL US (kansas) offices.

if anything its most likely skype calls.

let me guess sonny does the day to day BFL stuff....

but i bet he only wants to be called officially.. a supervisor..

shadier then the dark side of the moon

[Inaba]

Franky, your tinfoil hat shit wore thin about three weeks ago.  I'm just tired of your constant haranguing.  If you were ever able to provide any facts that wern't fabricated, we'd have had very different conversations... but you proved yourself to be far to disconnected from reality to engage in any sort of serious manner.

[franky1]

Franky, your tinfoil hat shit wore thin about three weeks ago.  I'm just tired of your constant haranguing.  If you were ever able to provide any facts that wern't fabricated, we'd have had very different conversations... but you proved yourself to be far to disconnected from reality to engage in any sort of serious manner.

read your own comments from december 2011.. u even photographed the building.. so their your tin foil hat idea's..

so seriously about nasser... CEO - day to day running inside the BFL in the USA.. confirm or deny..

<waits for more waffle without straight answers...>

please once show some maturity and earn your wage being a spokesman for a shady company.. 1 straight answer..

does nasser do the day to day running of the company inhouse??

fact: http://www.facebook.com/nasser.ghoseiri nasser's facebook.

location paris.. and yes before u try to say thats not its the same nasser that works for BFL.. atleast look at the 'likes' page.. BFL FPGA..

[smoothie]

Franky, your tinfoil hat shit wore thin about three weeks ago.  I'm just tired of your constant haranguing.  If you were ever able to provide any facts that wern't fabricated, we'd have had very different conversations... but you proved yourself to be far to disconnected from reality to engage in any sort of serious manner.

If you would answer Franky1's question i'm, sure he would stop badgering you. What's the problem? What do you have to hide? If nothing, you would answer the damn question.