Nefario

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This sucks... i only had have sent between 7 and 10 bitcoins... i thought glbse was not a scammer site... this realy... realy... sucks...

I did not add my identification to my account... only my email... so i guess i'm pritty much fsck'ed when it comes to gettiny my bitcoins back

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[senor_coconut]

I've decided Nefario will get a scammer tag for this. Speculating on intents and motivations behind his actions is fun and all, but it doesn't really have any bearing on whether he broke his contract or not. Like I said in Goat's thread, my role is to decide if he deserves a scammer tag based on his actions. If Nefario can't or won't elaborate on why he took the actions he did, that's his problem and he should take it up with the appropriate people.

Even if he doesn't have control over his current actions (which I doubt), he did have control when he decided to start the business, and he did have control when he made the agreement and sold pieces of the company to the shareholders.

This was a pretty good analogy that made me look at it a different way.

You cant sue people for obeying the law. Which is basically what Nefario is doing,

That is absolutely not true. Otherwise, an unlicensed contractor could make a contract to do some work for you, take your money, and then say, "Sorry, I'm unlicensed. I can't legally do the work."

and you cant force the shareholders to do something illegal.

Of course, but it's always legal to pay damages. You're certainly right that you couldn't force the contractor in my example to do the work. But you can certainly get your money back alone with any other damages, including punitive damages.

If it goes well people will get their coins back, it sucks that AMl is involved but you gotta do what you gotta do.

That's pure speculation at this point, at least so far as I know. If the contractor in my example says, "Sorry, the contracting board says I'm not licensed to do the work. Bye.", do you just take his word for it and let him off the hook for any damages you suffered? Asset owners have suffered damages because they relied on GLBSE.

Good. Seems logical. Doing things like he has and on top keeping radio silence just deserves the tag.

Now... I'd like to get my coins back.
And if I don't, which I probably won't, I'd like to suggest creating an asset at another exchange to vent my anger: BHNEF, or "Bounty Hunting for Nefario", Reservoir Dogs styla... 

[JoelKatz]

who did he scam?

At the very least, every GBLSE customer who relied on him to protect their ownership interest in their assets. At the moment, we have no verifiable information explaining why GLBSE was shut down, but it does appear to have been done on Nefario's orders. GBLSE has the only ownership records for GLBSE-listed assets.

(It's entirely possible this was no scam and Nefario's actions were compelled by others. And it's possible he will make good to the extent possible and is really under duress. But it's also possible this was a huge scam all along and many of the assets were fake, owned by Nefario secretly, and Nefario orchestrated the whole thing to walk away with thousands of bitcoins. We don't know, and we shouldn't speculate. But we can't wait forever to act either.)

For the record, Nefario getting a scammer tag was *never* the result I wanted. That really doesn't help anybody. It's the sad result of Nefario's inability, chosen or compelled, to remain silent while others are relying on him to hold up his end of various bargains.

[jasinlee]

who did he scam?

At the very least, every GBLSE customer who relied on him to protect their ownership interest in their assets. At the moment, we have no verifiable information explaining why GLBSE was shut down, but it does appear to have been done on Nefario's orders. GBLSE has the only ownership records for GLBSE-listed assets.

(It's entirely possible this was no scam and Nefario's actions were compelled by others. And it's possible he will make good to the extent possible and is really under duress. But it's also possible this was a huge scam all along and many of the assets were fake, owned by Nefario secretly, and Nefario orchestrated the whole thing to walk away with thousands of bitcoins. We don't know, and we shouldn't speculate. But we can't wait forever to act either.)

For the record, Nefario getting a scammer tag was *never* the result I wanted. That really doesn't help anybody. It's the sad result of Nefario's inability, chosen or compelled, to remain silent while others are relying on him to hold up his end of various bargains.

And if we did wait to apply the tag, then he would have further opportunities to pull other confidence scams to drag in a few extra btc while he has the free roaming of the forums without being hindered. 

[irritant]

For the record, Nefario getting a scammer tag was *never* the result I wanted. That really doesn't help anybody. It's the sad result of Nefario's inability, chosen or compelled, to remain silent while others are relying on him to hold up his end of various bargains.

maybe he is hold in custody? that's why he is remaining silent?  I would like to know more information too .. 

[Shadow383]

For the record, Nefario getting a scammer tag was *never* the result I wanted. That really doesn't help anybody. It's the sad result of Nefario's inability, chosen or compelled, to remain silent while others are relying on him to hold up his end of various bargains.

maybe he is hold in custody? that's why he is remaining silent?  I would like to know more information too .. 

Likely as not he's been told by his lawyer to remain totally silent.

Didn't he say that he was having a meeting with his lawyer on Tuesday?

[chrisrico]

He's not in custody, he's logged in to the forum and has been responding to emails (and phone calls apparently).

[freeAgent]

who did he scam?

At the very least, every GBLSE customer who relied on him to protect their ownership interest in their assets. At the moment, we have no verifiable information explaining why GLBSE was shut down, but it does appear to have been done on Nefario's orders. GBLSE has the only ownership records for GLBSE-listed assets.

(It's entirely possible this was no scam and Nefario's actions were compelled by others. And it's possible he will make good to the extent possible and is really under duress. But it's also possible this was a huge scam all along and many of the assets were fake, owned by Nefario secretly, and Nefario orchestrated the whole thing to walk away with thousands of bitcoins. We don't know, and we shouldn't speculate. But we can't wait forever to act either.)

For the record, Nefario getting a scammer tag was *never* the result I wanted. That really doesn't help anybody. It's the sad result of Nefario's inability, chosen or compelled, to remain silent while others are relying on him to hold up his end of various bargains.

I agree on pretty much all points.  Nefario needs to at the very least provide the records of ownership in GLBSE-listed securities to the issuers of said securities.  The site now reads:

Update:we will begin processing account closures and returning bitcoin later today.

I had a tiny amount in the exchange itself, but my ownership of securities previously listed there is more important.  We still have no idea what Nefario plans to do about that.

[conspirosphere.tk]

maybe he is hold in custody? that's why he is remaining silent? 

I kinda would like that very much. For a long time.

[k3t3r]

who did he scam?

At the very least, every GBLSE customer who relied on him to protect their ownership interest in their assets.

Has he not done this. I have not been told that my assets are no longer mine. I am just waiting for the instructions to be able to provide details to my issuers. These issuers have also been contacted and are waiting for me to provide them with my proof of ownership. I dont trust anybody else to have access to that database until this has taken place.

At the moment, we have no verifiable information explaining why GLBSE was shut down, but it does appear to have been done on Nefario's orders. GBLSE has the only ownership records for GLBSE-listed assets.

yes, and you can understand why other people would want that taken out of Nefario's hands. the more people that have access to that database the harder it is to protect ownership of those assets.

(It's entirely possible this was no scam and Nefario's actions were compelled by others. And it's possible he will make good to the extent possible and is really under duress. But it's also possible this was a huge scam all along and many of the assets were fake, owned by Nefario secretly, and Nefario orchestrated the whole thing to walk away with thousands of bitcoins. We don't know, and we shouldn't speculate. But we can't wait forever to act either.)

both of these are a possibility and neither have been proven. but the MO here seems to be guilty until proven innocent.

[HorseRider]

ok. neferio had said to garr that after like  two hours later, he is going to pay back. i am drunk now, but i remember his words.

[Come-from-Beyond]

Haven't been here for a few days. Please could anyone sum up the situation for me?
I'm getting my popcorn ready 

Drama again.

[Smoovious]

I agree on pretty much all points.  Nefario needs to at the very least provide the records of ownership in GLBSE-listed securities to the issuers of said securities.  The site now reads:

Update:we will begin processing account closures and returning bitcoin later today.

I had a tiny amount in the exchange itself, but my ownership of securities previously listed there is more important.  We still have no idea what Nefario plans to do about that.

I, for one, am very interested to find out, just where they plan on returning the bitcoin to, and how they are determining which address they plan to use to return them to...

-- Smoov

[johnlu]

I agree on pretty much all points.  Nefario needs to at the very least provide the records of ownership in GLBSE-listed securities to the issuers of said securities.  The site now reads:

Update:we will begin processing account closures and returning bitcoin later today.

I had a tiny amount in the exchange itself, but my ownership of securities previously listed there is more important.  We still have no idea what Nefario plans to do about that.

Does anybody knows how will they returning bitcoins? Are they going to send an email message to every account in GLBSE?

[oldschool]

I agree on pretty much all points.  Nefario needs to at the very least provide the records of ownership in GLBSE-listed securities to the issuers of said securities.  The site now reads:

Update:we will begin processing account closures and returning bitcoin later today.

I had a tiny amount in the exchange itself, but my ownership of securities previously listed there is more important.  We still have no idea what Nefario plans to do about that.

I, for one, am very interested to find out, just where they plan on returning the bitcoin to, and how they are determining which address they plan to use to return them to...

-- Smoov

i'm sure they will let you give them a BTC address once you send them your passport and other AML docs   

I wonder how much someone could make from running a scam where they setup a business, then freeze all clients funds and only return them after receiving massive amounts of personal information and documentation citing AML for the reason.  What kind of percentage of people wouldn't want to lose their privacy and how many bitcoins do you think you could get from running a scam like that?

[k3t3r]

i'm sure they will let you give them a BTC address once you send them your passport and other AML docs  

Did you eventually get your BTC returned Goat?

[oldschool]

I agree on pretty much all points.  Nefario needs to at the very least provide the records of ownership in GLBSE-listed securities to the issuers of said securities.  The site now reads:

Update:we will begin processing account closures and returning bitcoin later today.

I had a tiny amount in the exchange itself, but my ownership of securities previously listed there is more important.  We still have no idea what Nefario plans to do about that.

I, for one, am very interested to find out, just where they plan on returning the bitcoin to, and how they are determining which address they plan to use to return them to...

-- Smoov

i'm sure they will let you give them a BTC address once you send them your passport and other AML docs   

Did you eventually get your BTC returned Goat?

You realize that you are defending someone who has a scammer tag right?  At the very least he is a scammer, verified by the board.  Are you a part of this scam?  What connection do you have with this that you are so over the top defensive of a known scammer?

[k3t3r]

I agree on pretty much all points.  Nefario needs to at the very least provide the records of ownership in GLBSE-listed securities to the issuers of said securities.  The site now reads:

Update:we will begin processing account closures and returning bitcoin later today.

I had a tiny amount in the exchange itself, but my ownership of securities previously listed there is more important.  We still have no idea what Nefario plans to do about that.

I, for one, am very interested to find out, just where they plan on returning the bitcoin to, and how they are determining which address they plan to use to return them to...

-- Smoov

i'm sure they will let you give them a BTC address once you send them your passport and other AML docs  

Did you eventually get your BTC returned Goat?

You realize that you are defending someone who has a scammer tag right?  At the very least he is a scammer, verified by the board.  Are you a part of this scam?  What connection do you have with this that you are so over the top defensive of a known scammer?

I am not defending anyone I am trying to establish the truth. If you can point out where I have been Over The Top defensive, I might be able to explain why that was. The only connection I have with GLBSE is my 30 btc account balance and my assets.

Edit: I questioned why he was labeled a scammer by asking who he has scammed, because i have yet to see evidence that he has scammed anyone.

[k3t3r]

i'm sure they will let you give them a BTC address once you send them your passport and other AML docs  

Did you eventually get your BTC returned Goat?

Some of the BTC but no assets.

Assets you issued or assets you bought?

[k3t3r]

i'm sure they will let you give them a BTC address once you send them your passport and other AML docs  

Did you eventually get your BTC returned Goat?

Some of the BTC but no assets.

Assets you issued or assets you bought?

Assets I bought. My account was closed and I have no access to my assets. This was true before the GLBSE shut down.

Still waiting for the rest of the BTC too...

Right, sorry I have not been following your scam accusation thread, so I dont know where you are upto with that. Have you been given a reason, explanation for this or request for further actions on your part?