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March 24, 2023, 07:42:55 PM
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I think it is clear that this wasn't really about the results. I get that they are not leading the league right now but there were even worse times, the start of the season was so bad that we could have seen him be fired there as well and he wasn't.

I think this was more about the relationships he had in the team, both players and management saw him as someone who needs to go. He is a great "manager" level person, an executive, a great football director if given the chance, but when it comes to actual coaching and tactics, I feel like he was not there for personal relations and that is a big part of it, football is not just playing the game, it is also keeping everyone happy at the same time. If you get results but everyone hates you, you could still get fired.

If Julian Nagelsmann doesn't have good coaching and tactics, then why did Bayern Munich choose or recruit Julian Nagelsmann to be a coach. If Bayern Munich had realized this from the start, then of course Bayern Munich would not have recruited Julian Nagelsmann to become Bayern Munich coach.

Also, the reason Bayern Munich chose Julian Nagelsmann was because previously Julian Nagelsmann had managed to give Leipzig good results. After all, if Julian Nagelsmann didn't have a good history as a coach, then a team as big as Bayern Munich would not gamble by recruiting Julian Nagelsmann as head coach of Bayern Munich. So yes, I think this is a long-term anticipation, with Bayern Munich's declining performance, Bayern Munich chose a quick move to sack Julian Nagelsmann.
It is not clear what caused Nagelsmann to be sacked and that is surprising, because previously there was no bad news about his position as Bayern Munich coach. Maybe it was caused by internal problems within the club that weren't spread to the media, that could be it, right?
However, this news became a big shock towards the end of the season.

I agree with your argument, when Bayern Munich appointed Nagelsmann to be the coach they certainly have considered it completely, they must have judged how good and worthy he is to be the coach of this Bundesliga giant.






Sacking Nagelsmann was the right thing to do, because with the way Bayern Munich have be playing this season one will know the coach don't have the experience to lead the team, now that they have replaced him with Thomas Tuchel formal Chelsea coach, I think the team will be playing more better now. This just made things more difficult for the Manchester City in the Champions League quater final game, Manchester city have to be more prepared now. With the way Thomas Tuchel came into the Chelsea team who where playing badly then, he came and carried the champions League with them, I think he can still make that happen with the Bayern Munich team.
I don't know if this is a good or bad move for Bayern Munich by sacking Nagelsmann. Maybe it's true that they have experienced a slight decline, but I think the decline they have experienced is still within reasonable limits, which means they can still be said to be good and they also still have the chance to win titles in 2 competitions (Bundesliga and Champions League). But nevertheless this has been a decision that has been taken. I just hope this decision is not too hasty which will make them regret it later.

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March 24, 2023, 07:48:54 PM
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Yep, we cannot know the clear reason for Nagelsmann's dismissal because it is possible that there were some who were not raised to the public about internal matters but this is clearly shocking news amid their condition which is actually still quite good.
It's just that there are indeed a number of conditions where Bayern this season is slightly different from last season in terms of dominance and this possibility could also be one of the reasons why he left now.

Also, Nagelsmann's contract is still very long and Nagelsmann still has a contract until 2026. With this dismissal, it can be said that Nagelsmann coached Bayern Munich in only one and a half seasons. I think it's been a pretty short coaching career for a Bayern Munich coach because normally, Bayern Munich always have coaches for a long period of time but that wasn't the case for Nagelsmann.

I think one of the reasons for Nagelsmann's dismissal seems to be about Bayern Munich's dominance and or performance this season which is unsatisfactory. Because the board seems to really want Bayern Munich's dominance in the Bundesliga to be unbroken or maybe, Bayern Munich has a target of being able to beat Manchester City in the Champions League.
This is exactly what I meant. Their dominance in the Bundesliga has declined this season and that is evident by their performance which is not very good compared to previous seasons.
The challenge of being at a big club is sometimes difficult and in the end Nagelsmann did not go well in terms of coaching here even though he had won a trophy but when club officials were not comfortable with the club's current condition Nagelsmann also could not do much.

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March 24, 2023, 08:00:17 PM
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Sacking Nagelsmann was the right thing to do, because with the way Bayern Munich have be playing this season one will know the coach don't have the experience to lead the team, now that they have replaced him with Thomas Tuchel formal Chelsea coach, I think the team will be playing more better now. This just made things more difficult for the Manchester City in the Champions League quater final game, Manchester city have to be more prepared now. With the way Thomas Tuchel came into the Chelsea team who where playing badly then, he came and carried the champions League with them, I think he can still make that happen with the Bayern Munich team.

I like what Bayern's management do. They chose the right time to make the change, because the next match against Dortmund in the Bundesliga may be the most important one for them this season, as they are placed second in the standings table and any additional bad result would mean that Dortmund is probably the winner of the Bundesliga title this season. In addition, the new coach knows their next opponent in the ECL very well, as you stated. Manchester City won't forget Tuchel because he beat them the baddest way with Chelsea when everyone was nominating them to win that trophy. However, Manchester City is different this season with Haaland, so I think this match will be the most exciting match from this stage.

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March 24, 2023, 08:24:17 PM
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The firing of Julian Nagelsmann remains surprising me because, in contrast, Bayern Munich is in the UCL quarterfinals and is also in first place in their league. The board probably does not share Julian's long justifications for their dismal performance in the bundlesliga. By this stage, they had accumulated insufficient points, which would have either allowed them to win the league title with easy or put them in direct rivalry with other elite teams, which is a disastrous outcome for the Bavarians. The addition of Thomas Tuchel is encouraging for the former Chelsea manager as he prepares to face Manchester City in the UCL.
Indeed, no one expected the dismissal of Julian Nagelsmann to take place suddenly and even Julian Nagelsmann did not know about this dismissal because he was on holiday skiing in Tyrol. The rest was probably due to internal problems that were difficult to solve, so Bayern Munich's management made this decision. I think Bayern Munich should be able to face the rest of this season with a replacement coach Thomas Tuchel who now has responsibility in competitions that are still active, such as the Bundesliga and Champions League.

Source: https://news.trenddetail.com/today/375865.html

I think it was a hasty and panicked decision. Maybe one side of Bayern Munich's management assesses the opportunity to qualify for the Champions League semifinals with pessimism if Nagelsmann is still in charge of the team. The management is nervous about Manchester City having an experienced coach like Pep Guardiola. Then the defeat of Bayern Leverkusen was also the reason for the dismissal. However, by appointing Tuchel as a replacement for Nagelsmann, will Bayern be able to succeed in the two competitions that are their target?
I think Thomas Tuchel is still capable of managing these two competitions because he is one of the good coaches who has a lot of experience and often wins trophies in many competitions. Maybe the problem here is time to adapt to the players, maybe there will be a change in strategy and line up because we know that every coach has his own playing style. Moreover, it is possible that there will be additional conflicts from players who do not agree with their names suddenly being put on the bench later. I hope it won't create an uproar in the Bayern Munich locker room in the future.
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March 24, 2023, 08:32:50 PM
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It is a really unexpected and awkward decision at the same time. I mean why would you make a decision like this while you are still having a good season?

Tuchel has officially taken the job now. It is really difficult to understand because they are in a critical time period right now. They are in a title race not only in the Bundesliga but also in the Champions League. I don't know how quickly Tuchel can adapt to the team and develop the right strategies for their goals in this season. Of course he is very familiar with the Bundesliga but still he is managing this team for the first time. He is a solid manager so maybe it wouldn't take him a long time to do so.

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March 24, 2023, 08:37:50 PM
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I think Thomas Tuchel is still capable of managing these two competitions because he is one of the good coaches who has a lot of experience and often wins trophies in many competitions. Maybe the problem here is time to adapt to the players, maybe there will be a change in strategy and line up because we know that every coach has his own playing style. Moreover, it is possible that there will be additional conflicts from players who do not agree with their names suddenly being put on the bench later. I hope it won't create an uproar in the Bayern Munich locker room in the future.
The current conditions are clearly favorable for Tuchel, regardless of whatever and the problems he faced at Chelsea he is still very capable of managing a big club, coupled with the squad that Bayern currently has is clearly something that can be said to be a superpower. Of course now I'm really waiting for how the performance will be, especially with Dortmund in Tuchel's debut and of course there is Manchester City in the Champions League which they have to face.

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March 24, 2023, 08:40:17 PM
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I think as long as they are in the top position it's not too strange at all even if they are tight on points with Dortmund now, in fact this I think will be very good because it is precisely the entertainment that is worthy of the bundesliga when they are always without proper competition in it.
Although in the end it is still the same with Bayern becoming champions but at least with the points earned like now between Bayern and Dortmund it is quite good to watch.
Bayern Munich and Dortmund are currently fighting for their best position and today Bayern Munich will play Augsburg, Bayern Munich must win in this match to maintain its position in first place at the top of the standings.
If they lose this game then Dortmund will take first place, because then Dormtund will meet Schalke and I'm sure it will be easy to get a win.

Well, in this there are many things to rescue, both Bayern and Dortmund have the same points, it is curious how DORTMUND is a team that has put Bayern against a rock and a hard place, which had been doing a great campaign, where you could see I clearly stated that they were going to be the undisputed champions of the Bundesliga, something is happening here and that is that Dortmund did not sell players and decided to bet on a much more lucrative dream, which is to win the Bundesliga and the UCL, they can do it and they had worked for it , the circumstances were otherwise, but nevertheless I rescue all the intention they had and that is something worth admiring.

The firing of Julian Nagelsmann remains surprising me because, in contrast, Bayern Munich is in the UCL quarterfinals and is also in first place in their league. The board probably does not share Julian's long justifications for their dismal performance in the bundlesliga. By this stage, they had accumulated insufficient points, which would have either allowed them to win the league title with easy or put them in direct rivalry with other elite teams, which is a disastrous outcome for the Bavarians. The addition of Thomas Tuchel is encouraging for the former Chelsea manager as he prepares to face Manchester City in the UCL.
Looking at it from an encouraging point of view, what a leap Tuchel took, I really call it a great touch of luck that Tuchel has had, I don't see that I can compare him with someone for having such luck, this is something that I aelgra, because apart from Tuchel he is not a bad technical director, and he has a lot to give, also his experience and knowledge will help Bayern take him on the right track, also Bayern is not Chelsea, these Bayern boys are on another level without a doubt some, for me it is the best thing that has happened to Bayern and if he succeeds I think Tuchel can do it well.

Making sense of Bayern Munich’s decision to axe Julian Nagelsmann for Thomas Tuchel



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How did it come to this? Bayern Munich paid a record transfer fee to secure Julian Nagelsmann not two seasons ago, and talked a lot of talk about shaping an entire era with the tactically exciting young manager. Now, despite a fantastic string of Champions League results, Nagelsmann is gone — tearing it up and starting anew having been determined the best way to secure this year’s sporting goals.

When Bayern signed Nagelsmann, it marked a shift out of an era of manager churn, where coaches had only the job to wring results out of one of Europe’s most expensively-assembled rosters. A prudent nod to the emerging realities of the market, with fees rising every transfer window: Bayern had cash, but also discipline. If they could not out-muscle state-backed clubs like Manchester City, they would have to out-savvy them — smart, calculated signings, and what was hoped to be an era-defining coach.

Source: https://www.bavarianfootballworks.com/2023/3/24/23654252/bayern-munich-decision-fire-julian-nagelsmann-hire-thomas-tuchel-champions-league-psg-guardiola-city

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March 24, 2023, 08:51:09 PM
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It's bizarre that the trainer Nagelsmann has been fired. But it certainly won't be about the results. They can still become champions of Germany, trailing Dortmund by only 1 point. And in the CL they played good matches and won no less than 2 x against PSG. I think internally some things have been going on and things have stopped working between him and the players. Taking a new coach at this stage of the competition.. you can say or write anything about it but only practice will tell if it was the right decision. If Bayern does not become champion, more measures may be taken in the staff.

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March 24, 2023, 10:06:42 PM
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How possibility with Julian Nagelsmann less tactic and not effective for Bayern Munich manager but in other side he was success have 100% winning record in Champion League? on group stage have Inter Milan and Barcelona but Julian Nagelsmann success won between home or away matches.

Have inconsistent performance in domestic league after Bayern Munich position taken by Dortmund and right now left 2 points, but still not close yet with Julian Nagelsmann bring Bayern for winning Bundesliga tittle, I am waiting with Thomas Tuchel success or not extended 100% winning record for Bayern Munich in Champion League. I think have choose quick decision for sacking Julian Nagelsmann from Bayern Munich's manager position.
I think there were some problems going on behind the scenes between Nagelsmann and Bayern Munich management because Bayern Munich suddenly took a stance to fire Nagelsmann where his performance with Bayern Munich was quite good in the previous season.

In the world of football, there are always surprising decisions and also the pressure that must be achieved by the coach to make the team stronger in Europe and in the domestic league.  for nagelsmann hopefully he can get another job soon because i like his coaching style.

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March 24, 2023, 10:16:53 PM
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Yep, we cannot know the clear reason for Nagelsmann's dismissal because it is possible that there were some who were not raised to the public about internal matters but this is clearly shocking news amid their condition which is actually still quite good.
It's just that there are indeed a number of conditions where Bayern this season is slightly different from last season in terms of dominance and this possibility could also be one of the reasons why he left now.

Also, Nagelsmann's contract is still very long and Nagelsmann still has a contract until 2026. With this dismissal, it can be said that Nagelsmann coached Bayern Munich in only one and a half seasons. I think it's been a pretty short coaching career for a Bayern Munich coach because normally, Bayern Munich always have coaches for a long period of time but that wasn't the case for Nagelsmann.

I think one of the reasons for Nagelsmann's dismissal seems to be about Bayern Munich's dominance and or performance this season which is unsatisfactory. Because the board seems to really want Bayern Munich's dominance in the Bundesliga to be unbroken or maybe, Bayern Munich has a target of being able to beat Manchester City in the Champions League.
This is exactly what I meant. Their dominance in the Bundesliga has declined this season and that is evident by their performance which is not very good compared to previous seasons.
The challenge of being at a big club is sometimes difficult and in the end Nagelsmann did not go well in terms of coaching here even though he had won a trophy but when club officials were not comfortable with the club's current condition Nagelsmann also could not do much.
But nothing has really changed internally. It is still the same squared for baryen Munich last season who were extremely indomitable.  I just see it that bayern Munich are eager to win this season UEFA champion league
 But the little problem here is that the club are ignorant of the fact that Germany Bundesliga has entered another level and that the winning they are expecting will not come like it used to be. Many clubs in Germany have improved,  Bayern has to adapt to it.

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March 24, 2023, 10:20:28 PM
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How possibility with Julian Nagelsmann less tactic and not effective for Bayern Munich manager but in other side he was success have 100% winning record in Champion League? on group stage have Inter Milan and Barcelona but Julian Nagelsmann success won between home or away matches.

Have inconsistent performance in domestic league after Bayern Munich position taken by Dortmund and right now left 2 points, but still not close yet with Julian Nagelsmann bring Bayern for winning Bundesliga tittle, I am waiting with Thomas Tuchel success or not extended 100% winning record for Bayern Munich in Champion League. I think have choose quick decision for sacking Julian Nagelsmann from Bayern Munich's manager position.
I think there were some problems going on behind the scenes between Nagelsmann and Bayern Munich management because Bayern Munich suddenly took a stance to fire Nagelsmann where his performance with Bayern Munich was quite good in the previous season.

In the world of football, there are always surprising decisions and also the pressure that must be achieved by the coach to make the team stronger in Europe and in the domestic league.  for nagelsmann hopefully he can get another job soon because i like his coaching style.

It is not the first time that Bayern Munich fires a coach even though they were performing quite well. Two examples that come to my mind was Magath who won the Bundesliga title and the DFb Pokal two times in a row and yet had to go and I think with Carlo Ancelotti it was a similar case. But there has been some trouble behind the scenes I think with the goalie coach Tapalovic who is a friend of Manuel Neuer and Nagelsmann didn't like him and actually got rid of him. I don't know if that has anything to do with this decision now, but there have been some things going on that led to different opinions.

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March 24, 2023, 10:59:49 PM
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Bayer Leverkusen are in a really nice form these days. They have been winning for three weeks straight and this has made them close up with the 6th-placed team a lot. The gap is only three points now I mean. They were under the danger of relegation before but now they are in a very different position. All of this is thanks to Xabi Alonso's management style of course.

Since his arrival the team have been performing much better in the Bundesliga and Europa League both. This time they are playing against Schalke away in the league. They had better be careful if they want to maintain the winning streak. Because Schalke haven't been losing a single game for many weeks.

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Sacking Nagelsmann was the right thing to do, because with the way Bayern Munich have be playing this season one will know the coach don't have the experience to lead the team, now that they have replaced him with Thomas Tuchel formal Chelsea coach, I think the team will be playing more better now. This just made things more difficult for the Manchester City in the Champions League quater final game, Manchester city have to be more prepared now. With the way Thomas Tuchel came into the Chelsea team who where playing badly then, he came and carried the champions League with them, I think he can still make that happen with the Bayern Munich team.
I don't know if this is a good or bad move for Bayern Munich by sacking Nagelsmann. Maybe it's true that they have experienced a slight decline, but I think the decline they have experienced is still within reasonable limits, which means they can still be said to be good and they also still have the chance to win titles in 2 competitions (Bundesliga and Champions League). But nevertheless this has been a decision that has been taken. I just hope this decision is not too hasty which will make them regret it later.

Bayern Munich will have to give the new coach a little time to get settled with the team. Otherwise, it is not going to be any improvement. Bayern Munich is a very good team. So I believe the courts will not take too much time to get settled with the team. Don't know if it is going to be okay to actually expect it when against Manchester City. Because the coach just took up the job. For any coach to perform well, he needs to have a good amount of time to get settled. Now just because it is Bayern Munich, I believe the results will come sooner than later.

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If Julian Nagelsmann doesn't have good coaching and tactics, then why did Bayern Munich choose or recruit Julian Nagelsmann to be a coach. If Bayern Munich had realized this from the start, then of course Bayern Munich would not have recruited Julian Nagelsmann to become Bayern Munich coach.

Also, the reason Bayern Munich chose Julian Nagelsmann was because previously Julian Nagelsmann had managed to give Leipzig good results. After all, if Julian Nagelsmann didn't have a good history as a coach, then a team as big as Bayern Munich would not gamble by recruiting Julian Nagelsmann as head coach of Bayern Munich. So yes, I think this is a long-term anticipation, with Bayern Munich's declining performance, Bayern Munich chose a quick move to sack Julian Nagelsmann.

Off course Yes, he's a Goddamn good coach. I'd advice you disregard whoever says less bout Julian Nagelsmann, we all must have seen his tactics yes when it comes to the Champions League.

That said Yeah, Every good club has standards, and Bayern Munich are not so cool with how the performance of Bayern Munich has been, especially when you trace back to January when they had three straight draw in the league conceding every game poorly.
RB Leipzig, Koln and also Eintracht Frankfurt all drew against Bayern Munich which must have raised speculations and kept his job in a staggering position.

For Man, I think it's good timing for the club, they've really played lesser than we use to know them, Freiburg topped the league for two to three weeks, same goes Union Berlin, now Borrussia Dortmund top's currently, I'm keen to see how Thomas Tuchel faced his old employees Borrussia Dortmund in the German Bundesliga. Good Luck to whoever wins. Smiley

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March 25, 2023, 02:02:25 AM
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It is not the first time that Bayern Munich fires a coach even though they were performing quite well.
The pandemic Covid-19 and financial recession or something closely to recession impact a lot of entities in society including sports and football clubs. Bayern Munich actually have issues with their finance, balance sheet in the past three years and I believe that they smell pressure to go as farthest as possible in Champions League as well as unable to lose Bundesliga title.

In Champions League, from quarter finals to semi finals, final and being champion can bring significant income for the club and perhaps Bayern Munich want to go to semi final or final at least. Then they decided to sack Nagelsman and try luck with Tuchel who have had two Champions League finals with PSG and Chelsea and lifted the cup one time.

Bayern Munich will have to give the new coach a little time to get settled with the team. Otherwise, it is not going to be any improvement. Bayern Munich is a very good team.
When they fire a coach in middle of season especially in this case when the season is going to final matches in Champions League and about 10 matches in Bundesliga, the club owner actually want to gain success in rest of season. Time no longer stands with a new coach in this situation and Tuchel did experienced it in Chelsea. I think he will feel quite a bit comfortable with given tasks by Bayern Munich when he accepted to sign a contract with them.

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March 25, 2023, 03:45:41 AM
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It seems that Bayern Munich's decision to sacked Julian Nagelsmann seemed very hasty without technical considerations, he managed to achieve positive results in the Champions League with 8 wins from 8 matches and an extraordinary achievement for the Bayern Munich team, especially against big teams like Barcelona, ​​Inter and PSG at 16th round.

However, on the other hand, Bayern Munich's management was not very happy with Bayern's achievements in the Bundesliga after being 1 point left behind Dortmund on current standings. Maybe this was  strong reason for sacking of Julian Nagelsmann, which shocked the public because of his extraordinary achievements in the Champions League.

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March 25, 2023, 04:05:31 AM
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It seems that Bayern Munich's decision to sacked Julian Nagelsmann seemed very hasty without technical considerations, he managed to achieve positive results in the Champions League with 8 wins from 8 matches and an extraordinary achievement for the Bayern Munich team, especially against big teams like Barcelona, ​​Inter and PSG at 16th round.

However, on the other hand, Bayern Munich's management was not very happy with Bayern's achievements in the Bundesliga after being 1 point left behind Dortmund on current standings. Maybe this was  strong reason for sacking of Julian Nagelsmann, which shocked the public because of his extraordinary achievements in the Champions League.

I agree with you, they should be able to wait until the end of the season to evaluate Julian Nagelsmann's performance because so far Bayern Munich are still on a good track to win the treble this season. And finally they officially announced the signing of Thomas Tuchel, I don't know what the directors of Bayern Munich are thinking at the moment. It could be, this decision will be a suicide bomb for them, we'll see what Tuchel can do for Bayern Munich in the remaining matches this season.

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March 25, 2023, 04:07:35 AM
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However, on the other hand, Bayern Munich's management was not very happy with Bayern's achievements in the Bundesliga after being 1 point left behind Dortmund on current standings. Maybe this was  strong reason for sacking of Julian Nagelsmann, which shocked the public because of his extraordinary achievements in the Champions League.

I don't understand how logical the decision to fire Julian Nagelsmann is. Bayern Munich is not at the top of the points table in the Bundesliga. This can be attributed to the fact that teams like Dortmund and Union Berlin were able to continue to perform well this season. However, Munich was able to perform very well on the Champions League platform. And in the next match, they will play against Manchester City. In such circumstances, the decision to fire Julian Nagelsmann should not be taken. Its bad effect will be seen in the performance of the players. And I now think Munich will lose the first leg against Manchester City.

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March 25, 2023, 05:12:00 AM
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With the international break still ongoing and maybe some have forgotten they haven't checked the Bundesliga schedule for next week. Yes, we have a big game at the beginning of next month between Bayern Munich vs Dortmund. We all know how competitive these two teams are in the bundesliga and are only one point away in the standings, whoever wins this game will secure top spot for a while. But as we know, Thomas Tuchel had such a tough task in his initial debut as Bayern Munich coach because he had to face Edin Terzic's squad at the opening of the Bundesliga after the international break ended. What do you think, can Thomas Tuchel bring his first 3 points as Bayern Munich coach this season? Roll Eyes
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March 25, 2023, 05:44:02 AM
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It is a really unexpected and awkward decision at the same time. I mean why would you make a decision like this while you are still having a good season?

Tuchel has officially taken the job now. It is really difficult to understand because they are in a critical time period right now. They are in a title race not only in the Bundesliga but also in the Champions League. I don't know how quickly Tuchel can adapt to the team and develop the right strategies for their goals in this season. Of course he is very familiar with the Bundesliga but still he is managing this team for the first time. He is a solid manager so maybe it wouldn't take him a long time to do so.
Things looking really strange after this decision from the Bayern Munich management because he was doing good job even few results were not good but still they were in position to have better changes in coming days but now this uncertain decision can create feud in this team with new coach new strategy and less time with just after seven days we have big game against Borussia Dortmund and then two games against Manchester City which mean they have to do more than their limit for staying into hunt for these both games otherwise they can end without anything and this could be more than having something under old pal which was excellent in bad time and while they were badly suffering with few injuries which were bringing them down.
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