Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud)

[iCEBREAKER]

If at least Peter R could switch from his usual charting drivel and spherical cows..... I'm up for new challenges but he keeps repeating the same old bored ideas

Totally.  PR's absurdly reductionist considerations of spherical blockchains never passed my smell test.

Having a classically-trained nose finely tuned for bogon detection, I pegged that shitlord's "I've done The Math^TM; you haven't done The Math^TM so shut up and accept Gavinblocks" pseudo-academic browbeating right off the bat.



I'm surprised (and a bit galled) smooth, etc. took PR's agenda-based obscurantism seriously, and even gave him a platform at #ScalingBitcoin.  Classic example of the demarcation problem.   

[coalitionfor8mb]

Having a classically-trained nose finely tuned for bogon detection, I pegged that shitlord's "I've done The Math^TM; you haven't done The Math^TM so shut up and accept Gavinblocks" pseudo-academic browbeating right off the bat.

Awesome stuff! Liked this part the most:
"When the bogon encounters its antiparticle, the cluon, they mutually annihilate each other, releasing magic smoke!"

[sgbett]

...you Gavinistas actually believed you controlled more than ~0% of Bitcoin's socioeconomic consensus...

In your giddiness you've become so unsophisticated that you can't even manage to avoid projection?

What next "NO U?"?

[muyuu]

Hah just found out about this, I had missed the chat these days.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3n18en/mike_hearn_banned_from_bitcoindev_sept29/

[brg444]

Hah just found out about this, I had missed the chat these days.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3n18en/mike_hearn_banned_from_bitcoindev_sept29/

He done got phorked off 





Mike is losing it 

[tvbcof]

I do however hope that 'our group' doesn't count these people out prematurely.  They are not stupid and do not want for resources.  I can pretty much promise that they'll be back and will be constantly learning from their mistakes.

I'm counting on XT-type disloyal opposition to continue providing BTC with the adversity required to further develop its antifragility.

If nobody attacks BTC, the dodo bird "island effect" sets in and we grow too fat/lazy/stupid to fly.  

The lulz are great fun, but there are higher strategic purposes and hidden ideological agendas embedded within my "antics" (which BTW I am glad you enjoy).

Somehow your prose and demeanor remind me of one of my very favorite stories from childhood:

Nutkin became more and more impertinent—

   "Old Mr. B! Old Mr. B!
   Hickamore, Hackamore, on the King's kitchen door;
   All the King's horses, and all the King's men,
   Couldn't drive Hickamore, Hackamore,
   Off the King's kitchen door."

Nutkin danced up and down like a sunbeam; but still Old Brown said nothing at all.

That part that does not fit is that these dumb-asses are not as stoic as Old Brown.  Thankfully.

[iCEBREAKER]

...you Gavinistas actually believed you controlled more than ~0% of Bitcoin's socioeconomic consensus...

In your giddiness you've become so unsophisticated that you can't even manage to avoid projection?

What would it take to convince you Team XT are the baddies in this civil war?  Do they need to put skulls on their hats or what?

How about your Dear Leader going completely off the rails and claiming to have invented SPV?

If you aren't on Core's Clue Train at this point, you may be stuck at the station.

And BTW....

[tvbcof]

Hah just found out about this, I had missed the chat these days.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3n18en/mike_hearn_banned_from_bitcoindev_sept29/

He done got phorked off 





Mike is losing it 

There are several ways I can think of where Mike might be speaking the truth:

  1) Mike is Satoshi

  2) Mike helped Satoshi with the idea.

  3) Mike somehow 'updated' the whitepaper without it being noticed.

Believe it or not, I don't fully rule out any of these possibilities since I cannot (nor do I think they are very likely for a bunch of different reasons of course.)  It is true that I don't rule out the possibility that Bitcoin itself is some sort of a DARPA-like invention, and it would explain some of the defects and even some of the design criteria.  Again I don't think it is likely though.

When I first read the whitepaper I didn't really notice or comprehend the SPV aspect or the (purported) suggestion/expectation that it was to consolidate to a more centralized form.  I also was left with the impression that validating transfer nodes were to be rewarded rather than simply mining nodes.  I highly doubt that the whitepaper was edited and write off my misunderstandings to poor reading skills and to much skimming.  Whatever the case, it was a highly profitable mistake to have made since Bitcoin would not have been anywhere nearly as interesting to me had I understood these aspects more fully.

Thankfully there are plenty now of people who see the promise of Bitcoin and the dangers to it in a manner which is similar to the way I do.  And they are among the most skilled and influential people in the space.  This gives me enough hope for now.

[muyuu]

You're taking the piss now right? You cannot be serious.

[tvbcof]

You're taking the piss now right? You cannot be serious.

Presumably you are addressing the up-post...

Sure I'm serious.  I only rule things out completely when I have a VERY high degree of confidence that I can do so.  I was not involved in the design of Bitcoin and have no way of knowing the details of whoever might have been.

It is fairly common for me to 'know' something to, say, the 99% level but have the remaining 1% be a mish-mash of off-the wall possibilities.  It's my nature.  And it has served me well over the years.

[hdbuck]

hearn banned from#b-dev

http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/09/29

[Carlton Banks]

There are several ways I can think of where Mike might be speaking the truth:

  1) Mike is Satoshi

  2) Mike helped Satoshi with the idea.

  3) Mike somehow 'updated' the whitepaper without it being noticed.

+1

It depends on which Satoshi you're talking about of course, but if it's a case of identifying the particular Satoshi that coined the SPV expression, sure, no reason why Hearn could not have been behind that originally.

Believe it or not, I don't fully rule out any of these possibilities since I cannot (nor do I think they are very likely for a bunch of different reasons of course.)  It is true that I don't rule out the possibility that Bitcoin itself is some sort of a DARPA-like invention, and it would explain some of the defects and even some of the design criteria.  Again I don't think it is likely though.

-1

I think it's the most likely explanation, but I also reject the implication that an organisation like DARPA would create/deploy/promote decentralised cryptocurrency with insidious/pernicious intent. I think they're taking a higher level view; that proliferation of decentralised technologies is inevitable anyway, and the best they can do is lead the charge, collecting whatever benefits and assuming whatever roles that need filling, and muddying the waters throughout the process as much as possible so as to maximise their position once the dust settles. A successful centralising change to the protocol is just a single example of that tactic; if I were the ostensible DARPA director, I would have people like Hearn agitating in that direction, but simultaneously have a Greg Maxwell type character formulating his "vengeful fightback cryptocurrency design". You must be in a position to influence or capitalise on either side of a conflict, it's basic Machiavellianism.

tl;dr - everyone seems to assume "adversary vs adversary" when Hegellian dialectic is the preference. These people don't want to lose, and so playing the role of a match-fixing referee is the only guaranteed way to always win.

Thankfully there are plenty now of people who see the promise of Bitcoin and the dangers to it in a manner which is similar to the way I do.  And they are among the most skilled and influential people in the space.  This gives me enough hope for now.

I'm more optimistic than that; the programmers you refer to (and other people altogether) will inspire so many more to work on this stuff both in the future and even right now. Knowledge is it's own reward, and this subject is one of the richest that human history has offered so far. We simply won't be able to stop the right people turning up and consolidating and innovating this concept further.

[DarkHyudrA]

Hope that Gavin don't get banned from bitcoin-dev aswell, he is a XT dev, but he made good things to core, he have a few commits and is one of the few devs that look this forum.

[hdbuck]

Hope that Gavin don't get banned from bitcoin-dev aswell, he is a XT dev, but he made good things to core, he have a few commits and is one of the few devs that look this forum.

gavin hasnt made a core commit in years. (probably too busy with XT)

so he is totally irrelevant, and his failed coup with his fraud of an acolyte hearn should be carved in everyone's head for posterity as well as prosperity.

altho we could thx him for making bitcoin stronger against the low social means, intellectual fallacies, approximations and shortcuts he shamelessly used, i'd say let's irc-rucify the statist sucker for the example too!


then he could always spend the rest of his life giving "blockchain technology 101" courses over at MIT. yeayy. ^^

[Carlton Banks]

then he could always spend the rest of his life giving "blockchain technology 101" courses over at MIT. yeayy. ^^

The "101" thing; I don't think that irony would ever be lost on the latest intake of students to Professor Andresen's class. Maybe it wouldn't work out so good lol  

[VeritasSapere]

Still spinning false narratives in here it seems, beware of anyone who frames the conversation in terms of “good guys vs bad guys” or “good vs evil”. Such a narrative is always incorrect and oversimplifies the reality of the situation.

[QuestionAuthority]

This thread is still chugging along, eh? I've been on vacation for a few weeks and fully expected to see this thread dead and buried. Is this going to be one of those threads like the BFL scammer thread where everything is said in the first 20 pages but it continues on for 1200 pages?

Why doesn't someone create a summary then end this?

Something like:

XT is dead.

It proved that Mike and Gavin are nothing more than profiteering scumbags.

Mike has delusions of grandeur, thinks he's Satoshi and invented the idea of SPV clients.

/thread

[VeritasSapere]

This thread is still chugging along, eh? I've been on vacation for a few weeks and fully expected to see this thread dead and buried. Is this going to be one of those threads like the BFL scammer thread where everything is said in the first 20 pages but it continues on for 1200 pages?

Why doesn't someone create a summary then end this?

Something like:

XT is dead.

It proved that Mike and Gavin are nothing more than profiteering scumbags.

Mike has delusions of grandeur, thinks he's Satoshi and invented the idea of SPV clients.

/thread

Because there is disagreement about this issue, and not everyone sees this from your perspective, myself included.

[QuestionAuthority]

This thread is still chugging along, eh? I've been on vacation for a few weeks and fully expected to see this thread dead and buried. Is this going to be one of those threads like the BFL scammer thread where everything is said in the first 20 pages but it continues on for 1200 pages?

Why doesn't someone create a summary then end this?

Something like:

XT is dead.

It proved that Mike and Gavin are nothing more than profiteering scumbags.

Mike has delusions of grandeur, thinks he's Satoshi and invented the idea of SPV clients.

/thread

Because there is disagreement about this issue, and not everyone sees this from your perspective, myself included.

Disagreement over what part? XT is dead? Mike and Gavin are self serving? Mike is insane?

[VeritasSapere]

This thread is still chugging along, eh? I've been on vacation for a few weeks and fully expected to see this thread dead and buried. Is this going to be one of those threads like the BFL scammer thread where everything is said in the first 20 pages but it continues on for 1200 pages?

Why doesn't someone create a summary then end this?

Something like:

XT is dead.

It proved that Mike and Gavin are nothing more than profiteering scumbags.

Mike has delusions of grandeur, thinks he's Satoshi and invented the idea of SPV clients.

/thread

Because there is disagreement about this issue, and not everyone sees this from your perspective, myself included.

Disagreement over what part? XT is dead? Mike and Gavin are self serving? Mike is insane?

Yes I disagree with all of these points.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1164464.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=946236.0