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You wanna make money? Do what I did, move all your financial assets from Lisk to something like ICONOMI that offers the promise of a financial return much greater than " under 1% from pool payouts".
Malreynolds being his usual thorough self, so I'll TL;DR it for you If you vote for liskpool_com_1 with 100 000 lisk you will get less than 60 Lisk reward per month. That's about 9.5 usd. And I'm willing to bet most of the pool enthusiasts here are voting with a lot less than 100k. |
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sidharta
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January 03, 2017, 01:42:12 PM |
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Guys, just think:
do you want that 101 persons earn Lisks and dont share anything which is btw the worst thing for Lisk ecosystem, or do you want that the income of them is shared among all the Lisk holders who are voting?
Dont vote for delegates who are not sharing their income!!
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January 03, 2017, 01:44:49 PM |
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Guys, just think:
do you want that 101 persons earn Lisks and dont share anything which is btw the worst thing for Lisk ecosystem, or do you want that the income of them is shared among all the Lisk holders who are voting?
Dont vote for delegates who are not sharing their income!!
Seriously after getting the hard numbers you come out with that? 100k lisk earns you 9.5 usd a month, being generous. $120 a year. I'd rather leave them in a wallet and do nothing with them. |
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January 03, 2017, 01:58:53 PM |
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I don't want to be a delegate. I want to Lisk has become an attractive investment. Than be patient. Quite a lot has been accomplished so far: offices, mainnet, foundation etc... now that LiskHQ has full access to the funds, the development side of things will grow rapidly. |
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vlom
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January 03, 2017, 01:59:20 PM |
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You wanna make money? Do what I did, move all your financial assets from Lisk to something like ICONOMI that offers the promise of a financial return much greater than " under 1% from pool payouts".
Malreynolds being his usual thorough self, so I'll TL;DR it for you If you vote for liskpool_com_1 with 100 000 lisk you will get less than 60 Lisk reward per month. That's about 9.5 usd. And I'm willing to bet most of the pool enthusiasts here are voting with a lot less than 100k. so what. it is more than nothing. and why should 101 delegates get everything. that is the point of the pools. |
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sidharta
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January 03, 2017, 02:25:50 PM |
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Guys, just think:
do you want that 101 persons earn Lisks and dont share anything which is btw the worst thing for Lisk ecosystem, or do you want that the income of them is shared among all the Lisk holders who are voting?
Dont vote for delegates who are not sharing their income!!
Seriously after getting the hard numbers you come out with that? 100k lisk earns you 9.5 usd a month, being generous. $120 a year. I'd rather leave them in a wallet and do nothing with them. Seriously , this is the price for right now. who knows the price in 2 years. maybe this 9.5 usd a month, is then 90.5 usd or even more if i holded it and did not sell.. |
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January 03, 2017, 02:34:42 PM |
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January 03, 2017, 02:48:45 PM
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A delegate is too important for lisk ecosystem. It does not matter if he is a pool or not. The most important is that he has a good productivity and is really active in the community and is in touch with the other delegates and with the dev team, and quickly update his node when new releases are out or emergency situations need a coordinated work among all delegates and dev team.
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sidharta
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January 03, 2017, 02:59:03 PM |
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A delegate is too important for lisk ecosystem. It does not matter if he is a pool or not. The most important is that he has a good productivity and is really active in the community and is in touch with the other delegates and with the dev team, and quickly update his node when new releases are out or emergency situations need a coordinated work among all delegates.
Sure! but i dont understand why he has to earn fucking: 12'000 LISK Per month  this is a huge amount!! why are there still people out there who thinks that LISK will grow if only 101 delegates earn new LISK, this is just stupid  |
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corsaro
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January 03, 2017, 03:08:52 PM |
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A delegate is too important for lisk ecosystem. It does not matter if he is a pool or not. The most important is that he has a good productivity and is really active in the community and is in touch with the other delegates and with the dev team, and quickly update his node when new releases are out or emergency situations need a coordinated work among all delegates.
Sure! but i dont understand why he has to earn fucking: 12'000 LISK Per month this is a huge amount!! why are there still people out there who thinks that LISK will grow if only 101 delegates earn new LISK, this is just stupid You can enter lisk chat and read all the activity since feb/mar 2016 of all delegates and the hard work we did and are doing and all our contributions to the development of the community. Probably 12000 lisk each month are too much or too less, i do not know.. but the most important is that 101 delegates voted by the community are doing well the work to keep up this chain (pool or not). |
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January 03, 2017, 03:18:35 PM |
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Sure! but i dont understand why he has to earn fucking: 12'000 LISK Per month Because this creates a big competition, which is very good and very needed for the network stability and quality. Because only 101 can become forging delegate, those 12k LSK create a big incentive for delegates to provide top notch quality (powerful servers, good protection, well-thought monitoring tools, big amount of invested time). If a delegate would only earn a few bucks per month, nobody would care about becoming delegate and the network would be much more unstable and vulnerable. Additionally, the 12k LSK allows the delegates to spend parts of it for pushing app development and supporting the complete Lisk ecosystem. |
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Vega
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January 03, 2017, 03:18:44 PM |
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Sure! but i dont understand why he has to earn fucking: 12'000 LISK Per month this is a huge amount!! why are there still people out there who thinks that LISK will grow if only 101 delegates earn new LISK, this is just stupid Do you even know what you are arguing for? If the 101 would be full of pools it would just mean the well know system of the rich getting richter. The top100 accounts voting would get 80+ percent of the forging rewards, the top 200 would get 90+. The rest would get very little. On the other hand currently there is a lot of people forging now who would otherwise see nothing of these profits. And the majority of them doesnt sell it on exchanges, but hold it, donate it, promised it for various funds and planning to funds app development from portions of it. Additionally it creates a good enviroment of motivated delegates thus making the lisk network more functional and more secure. So please don't try to claim that the current system is some kind of injustice and the pools are the solution. I pretty sure you didn't do your research nor do you really care. You are only talking the way you do because this would be the only way for you to see some small amount of lisk. |
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January 03, 2017, 03:34:16 PM |
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Only pools must be in delegates. We don't need other delegates. We need a high-end professionals and best programmers, which will be paid from money collected in the ICO, and will implement the roadmap in full. Max must remove votes from delegates
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January 03, 2017, 03:43:43 PM |
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Max must remove votes from delegates
This just shows how little you know or care about the real delegate situation. Without max (and oliver) votes there would be less contributing community members would be forging and it would be fat wallet delegates replacing most of them. Only pools must be in delegates.
You are making a good argument... or you know just ignoring everything we are saying. However, here is the thing. I don't need to convince you. I just need to beat you. While you complain and make weak attempts to push your agenda I spent the last 8 months immersed in the lisk community. I ran nodes, created tools, made connections, talked to the community about various subjects, and the most important for this discussion, I spend an enarmous amount of time strategising and politicking, setting up the stage so I can forge, and I'll continue to do so. You may get your way, I'm not going to lie. Pools may dominate the 101 one day. But do you know what's the funny part is? I would make more money that way, doing nothing just a quick voting session, than I'm doing now, running a delegate, and about dozen other things that come with being part of a large delegate community. So maybe I'm secretly rooting for you, it would be totally great for me. Not so much for lisk, but what can you do... |
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January 03, 2017, 04:06:29 PM |
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Max must remove votes from delegates
This just shows how little you know or care about the real delegate situation. Without max (and oliver) votes there would be less contributing community members would be forging and it would be fat wallet delegates replacing most of them. Only pools must be in delegates.
You are making a good argument... or you know just ignoring everything we are saying. However, here is the thing. I don't need to convince you. I just need to beat you. While you complain and make weak attempts to push your agenda I spent the last 8 months immersed in the lisk community. I ran nodes, created tools, made connections, talked to the community about various subjects, and the most important for this discussion, I spend an enarmous amount of time strategising and politicking, setting up the stage so I can forge, and I'll continue to do so. You may get your way, I'm not going to lie. Pools may dominate the 101 one day. But do you know what's the funny part is? I would make more money that way, doing nothing just a quick voting session, than I'm doing now, running a delegate, and about dozen other things that come with being part of a large delegate community. So maybe I'm secretly rooting for you, it would be totally great for me. Not so much for lisk, but what can you do... I have bad English and it saves you from me... If you have made something really valuable for Lisk, then let Max will pay you, for your professionally done work. Understand you delegates, you aren't necessary to Lisk. Lisk needs the best programmers and professionals who will be paid for the done work, all. |
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MalReynolds
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January 03, 2017, 04:19:52 PM |
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Only pools must be in delegates. Imagine a Lisk future with 100% pool delegates. Soon a Lisk pool delegate has a problem with his node and his pool node goes down (which happens A LOT). Why should he feel any sense of urgency to fix that problem? There's 100 other pool forgers to keep the Lisk blockchain going, and he's not losing any Lisk out of his pocket - somebody else is. So there's no rush to fix that pool node problem. Then another Lisk node goes down. Why should THAT guy feel any urgency to fix HIS problem? There's 99 other....then 98 other...then 97 other...eventually 50 other....maybe 10 other...hey, who's keeping the Lisk blockchain going? And why? And how are they paying for their computers? You want 101 people to do their damn best to give Lisk forging nodes 100% uptime? Don't vote pool nodes, vote for people who are VERY STONGLY MOTIVATED to fret over Lisk nodes 24/7/365 for their own benefit. You get what you pay for. Understand you delegates, you aren't necessary to Lisk. These are the words of somebody who has never run a Lisk testnet node for months. |
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January 03, 2017, 04:23:27 PM |
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Max must remove votes from delegates
This just shows how little you know or care about the real delegate situation. Without max (and oliver) votes there would be less contributing community members would be forging and it would be fat wallet delegates replacing most of them. Only pools must be in delegates.
You are making a good argument... or you know just ignoring everything we are saying. However, here is the thing. I don't need to convince you. I just need to beat you. While you complain and make weak attempts to push your agenda I spent the last 8 months immersed in the lisk community. I ran nodes, created tools, made connections, talked to the community about various subjects, and the most important for this discussion, I spend an enarmous amount of time strategising and politicking, setting up the stage so I can forge, and I'll continue to do so. You may get your way, I'm not going to lie. Pools may dominate the 101 one day. But do you know what's the funny part is? I would make more money that way, doing nothing just a quick voting session, than I'm doing now, running a delegate, and about dozen other things that come with being part of a large delegate community. So maybe I'm secretly rooting for you, it would be totally great for me. Not so much for lisk, but what can you do... I have bad English and it saves you from me... If you have made something really valuable for Lisk, then let Max will pay you, for your professionally done work. Understand you delegates, you aren't necessary to Lisk. Lisk needs the best programmers and professionals who will be paid for the done work, all. Working for the lisk team and be a delegate are two different things. Everybody is free to be a delegate if give the community a reason to vote him, for contribution with lisk or skill in managing a node. Running a delegate is not only about earn lisk, but it's about make the lisk chain secure and functional. The fact that you can't forge because you're new doesn't mean that nobody have rights forge. It's like every coin pos or pow, not everybody have skill to mine a coin, and not everybody has a good amount of coin to gain a good stake with pos. DPOS works with 101 delegate now, but max said that the number could be enlarged. If you like it it's ok, if you don't like it, I can't do nothing to make you change your mind. Lisk is cheap now, buy it and wait for the development that will give lisk huge value. |
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January 03, 2017, 04:30:12 PM |
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Only pools must be in delegates. Imagine a Lisk future with 100% pool delegates. Soon a Lisk pool delegate has a problem with his node and his pool node goes down (which happens A LOT). Why should he feel any sense of urgency to fix that problem? There's 100 other pool forgers to keep the Lisk blockchain going, and he's not losing any Lisk out of his pocket - somebody else is. So there's no rush to fix that pool node problem. Then another Lisk node goes down. Why should THAT guy feel any urgency to fix HIS problem? There's 99 other....then 98 other...then 97 other...eventually 50 other....maybe 10 other...hey, who's keeping the Lisk blockchain going? And why? And how are they paying for their computers? You want 101 people to do their damn best to give Lisk forging nodes 100% uptime? Don't vote pool nodes, vote for people who are VERY STONGLY MOTIVATED to fret over Lisk nodes 24/7/365 for their own benefit. You get what you pay for. Why you are such stupid? If pool node goes down, he in urgent will recover it because he gets a percentage of the forging and its profit depends on it. |
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