[$XVG] VERGE [POW][MultiAlgo][TOR/i2P][no premine/ico!]

[Anthony1985]

what's going on with XVG? I still got some from months ago, should I sell?

[audi55]

Why so much stupid FUD?...Always the scared weak hands that have so much crap to talk about...Ever see a scared bumbling idiot trying to talk?...Its pathetic....The only reason the price is going down is because of weak hands here....No other reason....The announcement hasn't even been made yet....You have no clue who the partnership is with....Price will sky rocket on the 17th....and weak hands who sold will be crying...

The way this has gone about is very unethical. You don't tease an announcement. This was done just to pump the price before the big dump on the 17th. If this was a stock held company in almost any country the devs would be in jail already.

So there is no announcement on the 17th you say???....What do you mean you dont tease an announcement?....Stocks have regulations...crypto doesnt....This teasing is nothing new in crypto and does NOT indicate a scam....More times than not FUD is FAKE...its ridiculous and really only speculation....Every top coin seems to have loads of it....

Just something in generally, you can read it if you want:

Normally a partnership is not related to payments. When payments have to be made normally, at least in the real world enterprises, you are either a sponsor or a client, but not a partner.

It is not all about FUD by the way. It's more than normal that holders, investors, even miners, are concerned on whats going on and that they ask for maximum transparancy and within that, ask questions to things that without proper explaination do not look right or strange or uncommon.

And NO, not every top coin is doing it like that. A real hard working dev team on a given top coin releases their partnerships AFTER a given contract is done, immediatly. There might be some expections of course, but i can not remember even one right now with such a teasing and hype, feel free to correct me here.

The whole crypto community by now has so often felt to scams that, absolutly normaly, many people have their guards on. This is nothing bad at all. A honest working Team with ease can answer every question profesionally an wave away any concerns (or FUD as you name it) away.

The problems here are a bit deeper here, just the last thing as an example:
- Funds, exactly 18.6 XVG have been moved from the Crowdfun Wallet. People watch it closely and immediatly ask why? On one side i guess maybe to find a track to the myterious partner, on the other hand to see what happens with it. People all over on all channels ask the Verge team whats going on with these funds. Now the problem:
- Verge team on all channels declare its for the Ledger Nano integration. Normally the story and concern should an end here, BUT the Ledger Nano CEO declines officially that they have whatever dealings or projects with XVG.
- Not even talking about the price for a Ledger Nano integration as its basic is free and only custom software has to be paid. And the paid version is in the range of max. 150k USD, but 1.8M USD funds have been moved.
- There wouldn't be any problem if 150k had been moved for Ledger Nano, if Ledger Nano did know about it and such integration had been planned with Ledger Nano. It would had been even a good sign for the project that way, but no, none of the mention was the case, hence concerns IF these funds are used exactly for that. These are real concerns that have to be adressed, not just FUD.

One other thing that made a lot of people concern yesterday is this (copy over from reddit)

The original crowdfunding tweet said that the donations will be used “to initiate a massive marketing campaign.”
The video on the donation page says that if the deal doesn’t go through the donations will be used to “fund other initiatives,” which are listed above, with the first one being Nano Ledger integration.
So since now the word is that donations will be used for Nano integration, does this mean there is no partnership?

- Again a valid concern as the XVG video states: No deal ==> Nano integration which yesterday was mentioned on all channels by the Verge Team. Of course one shouldn't exclude the other, but than this has to be adressed upfront correctly by the Verge team.

There is a huge list of little red flags if you look into it. Does it mean its a scam? No, but there are some really bad signs and flags that have to be adressed and its normally that someone is concerned. If there will be a big deal, perfect, whole Crypto community (not only Verge) will profit from it. If there is none or scam, the whole crypto community will suffer, one of the reasons non XVG holders are concerned as well.

My personal prediction? Let's say with all these warning signals this scenario posted on reddit is close to what i think:

I don't know of any contract or margin offer for Verge. But you can do a pyramid/hyip/ponzi and sell the invested XVG. When it crashes, re-buy it and return just what was invested. Make up some excuse for why there is no profit.

P.S.: The so called "hacked" ~35M XVG would perfectly fit into this scenario, as many claim it was an inside job.....

The True? 2 days away ..... like the US tax deathline, both on 17th April  

The whole story in 1 comment.
Good value here my friend.
Thank you for presenting the facts as it is so everyone should be aware of.

The red flags you talk about are speculation on your part as well as other fudders....It seems that most crypto investors do not understand how businesses operate traditionally....You all have a holier than thou preconceived notion that all cryptocurrencies must be totally transparent...but this just cannot be in the "REAL" world of business and partnerships...I see this as the huge problem and reason there is always so much fud about even the top altcoins even including btc, & eth....And its not a cookie cutter process for "ALL" coins/tokens how they form and organize their business and partnerships....IF a coin has been around for a long time and has a solid dev team...This in it self would be clear that they are not trying to scam people...and exiting with all the investors money...And if you are foolish enough to think that these coins/tokens can operate without money...you got to be dumber than a door nail...It DOES take millions of dollars to operate....You think the partnerships are formed without money???.....LMAO....You think the dev team works for peanuts???....LMAO....Sorry to inform you that the world still lives on Fiat...Why do you think btc whales keep dumping their btc for usd after they have pumped it?...

[andrei1982]

is verge a scam or not ?

[Brilliantrocket]

Look like Verge subreddit is locked now. They are prepared to slow the spread of information for the upcominh exit scam on Tuesday.

[audi55]

Look like Verge subreddit is locked now. They are prepared to slow the spread of information for the upcominh exit scam on Tuesday.

Exit scam???....LMAO....Partnership announcement will be on the 17th...So hold your FUD...If indeed the partnership is as rumored "Paypal"....You will be eating your words....and will have FOMO big time as other weak hands that sold will....Paypal or other big partner will bring xvg price to Pluto on the 17th and after....The subreddit lock is to prevent fudders....

[sebastian787]

Just something in generally, you can read it if you want:

Normally a partnership is not related to payments. When payments have to be made normally, at least in the real world enterprises, you are either a sponsor or a client, but not a partner.

It is not all about FUD by the way. It's more than normal that holders, investors, even miners, are concerned on whats going on and that they ask for maximum transparancy and within that, ask questions to things that without proper explaination do not look right or strange or uncommon.

And NO, not every top coin is doing it like that. A real hard working dev team on a given top coin releases their partnerships AFTER a given contract is done, immediatly. There might be some expections of course, but i can not remember even one right now with such a teasing and hype, feel free to correct me here.

The whole crypto community by now has so often felt to scams that, absolutly normaly, many people have their guards on. This is nothing bad at all. A honest working Team with ease can answer every question profesionally an wave away any concerns (or FUD as you name it) away.

The problems here are a bit deeper here, just the last thing as an example:
- Funds, exactly 18.6 XVG have been moved from the Crowdfun Wallet. People watch it closely and immediatly ask why? On one side i guess maybe to find a track to the myterious partner, on the other hand to see what happens with it. People all over on all channels ask the Verge team whats going on with these funds. Now the problem:
- Verge team on all channels declare its for the Ledger Nano integration. Normally the story and concern should an end here, BUT the Ledger Nano CEO declines officially that they have whatever dealings or projects with XVG.
- Not even talking about the price for a Ledger Nano integration as its basic is free and only custom software has to be paid. And the paid version is in the range of max. 150k USD, but 1.8M USD funds have been moved.
- There wouldn't be any problem if 150k had been moved for Ledger Nano, if Ledger Nano did know about it and such integration had been planned with Ledger Nano. It would had been even a good sign for the project that way, but no, none of the mention was the case, hence concerns IF these funds are used exactly for that. These are real concerns that have to be adressed, not just FUD.

One other thing that made a lot of people concern yesterday is this (copy over from reddit)

The original crowdfunding tweet said that the donations will be used “to initiate a massive marketing campaign.”
The video on the donation page says that if the deal doesn’t go through the donations will be used to “fund other initiatives,” which are listed above, with the first one being Nano Ledger integration.
So since now the word is that donations will be used for Nano integration, does this mean there is no partnership?

- Again a valid concern as the XVG video states: No deal ==> Nano integration which yesterday was mentioned on all channels by the Verge Team. Of course one shouldn't exclude the other, but than this has to be adressed upfront correctly by the Verge team.

There is a huge list of little red flags if you look into it. Does it mean its a scam? No, but there are some really bad signs and flags that have to be adressed and its normally that someone is concerned. If there will be a big deal, perfect, whole Crypto community (not only Verge) will profit from it. If there is none or scam, the whole crypto community will suffer, one of the reasons non XVG holders are concerned as well.

My personal prediction? Let's say with all these warning signals this scenario posted on reddit is close to what i think:

I don't know of any contract or margin offer for Verge. But you can do a pyramid/hyip/ponzi and sell the invested XVG. When it crashes, re-buy it and return just what was invested. Make up some excuse for why there is no profit.

P.S.: The so called "hacked" ~35M XVG would perfectly fit into this scenario, as many claim it was an inside job.....

The True? 2 days away ..... like the US tax deathline, both on 17th April  

The whole story in 1 comment.
Good value here my friend.
Thank you for presenting the facts as it is so everyone should be aware of.

The red flags you talk about are speculation on your part as well as other fudders....It seems that most crypto investors do not understand how businesses operate traditionally....You all have a holier than thou preconceived notion that all cryptocurrencies must be totally transparent...but this just cannot be in the "REAL" world of business and partnerships...I see this as the huge problem and reason there is always so much fud about even the top altcoins even including btc, & eth....And its not a cookie cutter process for "ALL" coins/tokens how they form and organize their business and partnerships....IF a coin has been around for a long time and has a solid dev team...This in it self would be clear that they are not trying to scam people...and exiting with all the investors money...And if you are foolish enough to think that these coins/tokens can operate without money...you got to be dumber than a door nail...It DOES take millions of dollars to operate....You think the partnerships are formed without money???.....LMAO....You think the dev team works for peanuts???....LMAO....Sorry to inform you that the world still lives on Fiat...Why do you think btc whales keep dumping their btc for usd after they have pumped it?...

So your suggestion is that every coin should ask for donations about an IMAGINARY partner and fool investors by taking these funds on their own?
Are you serious or what?
Of course transparency is the solution for a healthy environment for the industry for every investor.
Only scams and the parasites of this industry have a benefit from a toxic environment like the one you explain above.

[sebastian787]

what's going on with XVG? I still got some from months ago, should I sell?

Check all the information that is given and decide if there is value on this coin or not.
The are plenty of red flags that you should take under consideration.

[sebastian787]

Look like Verge subreddit is locked now. They are prepared to slow the spread of information for the upcominh exit scam on Tuesday.

They are deleting comments that are presenting the facts everywhere.

[Vivaldisto]

I managed to buy a coin, while there was a fall and I'm very happy about it. Tell me, what are your forecasts, what will happen to the coin next?

[boxalex]

I managed to buy a coin, while there was a fall and I'm very happy about it. Tell me, what are your forecasts, what will happen to the coin next?

1?  

strong investement. I suggest you put that 1XVG on a cold wallet best 

[boxalex]

Look like Verge subreddit is locked now. They are prepared to slow the spread of information for the upcominh exit scam on Tuesday.

Exit scam???....LMAO....Partnership announcement will be on the 17th...So hold your FUD...If indeed the partnership is as rumored "Paypal"....You will be eating your words....and will have FOMO big time as other weak hands that sold will....Paypal or other big partner will bring xvg price to Pluto on the 17th and after....The subreddit lock is to prevent fudders....

It won't be an exit scam, that's what i believe as well. It will be smarter, there just won't be a partner on 17th. It gets either delayed further back and later denied or it will get denied on 17th.
Paypal? While i personally hoped as well for paypal the first days after announcement, reality, thx god, came back. Impossible its Paypal for about 128 reasons.....
The very best case would be indeed pornhub, seriously.
If it was paypal the price would be allready 5000+ satoshis, all bought by close to verge team members, staff, holders, just everybody with insider information would have bought millions and millions allready making the price at very least 5000 satoshi by now.... Makes sense? I guess not, fantatic desperate fan bois never use logic other than wish-thinking.

[audi55]

Just something in generally, you can read it if you want:

Normally a partnership is not related to payments. When payments have to be made normally, at least in the real world enterprises, you are either a sponsor or a client, but not a partner.

It is not all about FUD by the way. It's more than normal that holders, investors, even miners, are concerned on whats going on and that they ask for maximum transparancy and within that, ask questions to things that without proper explaination do not look right or strange or uncommon.

And NO, not every top coin is doing it like that. A real hard working dev team on a given top coin releases their partnerships AFTER a given contract is done, immediatly. There might be some expections of course, but i can not remember even one right now with such a teasing and hype, feel free to correct me here.

The whole crypto community by now has so often felt to scams that, absolutly normaly, many people have their guards on. This is nothing bad at all. A honest working Team with ease can answer every question profesionally an wave away any concerns (or FUD as you name it) away.

The problems here are a bit deeper here, just the last thing as an example:
- Funds, exactly 18.6 XVG have been moved from the Crowdfun Wallet. People watch it closely and immediatly ask why? On one side i guess maybe to find a track to the myterious partner, on the other hand to see what happens with it. People all over on all channels ask the Verge team whats going on with these funds. Now the problem:
- Verge team on all channels declare its for the Ledger Nano integration. Normally the story and concern should an end here, BUT the Ledger Nano CEO declines officially that they have whatever dealings or projects with XVG.
- Not even talking about the price for a Ledger Nano integration as its basic is free and only custom software has to be paid. And the paid version is in the range of max. 150k USD, but 1.8M USD funds have been moved.
- There wouldn't be any problem if 150k had been moved for Ledger Nano, if Ledger Nano did know about it and such integration had been planned with Ledger Nano. It would had been even a good sign for the project that way, but no, none of the mention was the case, hence concerns IF these funds are used exactly for that. These are real concerns that have to be adressed, not just FUD.

One other thing that made a lot of people concern yesterday is this (copy over from reddit)

The original crowdfunding tweet said that the donations will be used “to initiate a massive marketing campaign.”
The video on the donation page says that if the deal doesn’t go through the donations will be used to “fund other initiatives,” which are listed above, with the first one being Nano Ledger integration.
So since now the word is that donations will be used for Nano integration, does this mean there is no partnership?

- Again a valid concern as the XVG video states: No deal ==> Nano integration which yesterday was mentioned on all channels by the Verge Team. Of course one shouldn't exclude the other, but than this has to be adressed upfront correctly by the Verge team.

There is a huge list of little red flags if you look into it. Does it mean its a scam? No, but there are some really bad signs and flags that have to be adressed and its normally that someone is concerned. If there will be a big deal, perfect, whole Crypto community (not only Verge) will profit from it. If there is none or scam, the whole crypto community will suffer, one of the reasons non XVG holders are concerned as well.

My personal prediction? Let's say with all these warning signals this scenario posted on reddit is close to what i think:

I don't know of any contract or margin offer for Verge. But you can do a pyramid/hyip/ponzi and sell the invested XVG. When it crashes, re-buy it and return just what was invested. Make up some excuse for why there is no profit.

P.S.: The so called "hacked" ~35M XVG would perfectly fit into this scenario, as many claim it was an inside job.....

The True? 2 days away ..... like the US tax deathline, both on 17th April 

The whole story in 1 comment.
Good value here my friend.
Thank you for presenting the facts as it is so everyone should be aware of.

The red flags you talk about are speculation on your part as well as other fudders....It seems that most crypto investors do not understand how businesses operate traditionally....You all have a holier than thou preconceived notion that all cryptocurrencies must be totally transparent...but this just cannot be in the "REAL" world of business and partnerships...I see this as the huge problem and reason there is always so much fud about even the top altcoins even including btc, & eth....And its not a cookie cutter process for "ALL" coins/tokens how they form and organize their business and partnerships....IF a coin has been around for a long time and has a solid dev team...This in it self would be clear that they are not trying to scam people...and exiting with all the investors money...And if you are foolish enough to think that these coins/tokens can operate without money...you got to be dumber than a door nail...It DOES take millions of dollars to operate....You think the partnerships are formed without money???.....LMAO....You think the dev team works for peanuts???....LMAO....Sorry to inform you that the world still lives on Fiat...Why do you think btc whales keep dumping their btc for usd after they have pumped it?...

So your suggestion is that every coin should ask for donations about an IMAGINARY partner and fool investors by taking these funds on their own?
Are you serious or what?
Of course transparency is the solution for a healthy environment for the industry for every investor.
Only scams and the parasites of this industry have a benefit from a toxic environment like the one you explain above.

Ok....sell all your coins....What's toxic is FUD....and its imaginary crap it creates...all unproven...just imagined and speculated by paranoid people...

[Goool]

Some people want to buy VERGE (XVG) at low price that's why all the shit talk !
Paypal and Verge might have a deal so better buy Verge... this is my personal view  

[boxalex]

Some people want to buy VERGE (XVG) at low price that's why all the shit talk !
Paypal and Verge might have a deal so better buy Verge... this is my personal view  

what low price dude? Do you think it matters with the price if some 100 XVG guys here on bitcointalk will sell their holdings of 1 - 10.000 XVG? price wouldn't even move 0.1 cent.

[audi55]

Look like Verge subreddit is locked now. They are prepared to slow the spread of information for the upcominh exit scam on Tuesday.

Exit scam???....LMAO....Partnership announcement will be on the 17th...So hold your FUD...If indeed the partnership is as rumored "Paypal"....You will be eating your words....and will have FOMO big time as other weak hands that sold will....Paypal or other big partner will bring xvg price to Pluto on the 17th and after....The subreddit lock is to prevent fudders....

It won't be an exit scam, that's what i believe as well. It will be smarter, there just won't be a partner on 17th. It gets either delayed further back and later denied or it will get denied on 17th.
Paypal? While i personally hoped as well for paypal the first days after announcement, reality, thx god, came back. Impossible its Paypal for about 128 reasons.....
The very best case would be indeed pornhub, seriously.
If it was paypal the price would be allready 5000+ satoshis, all bought by close to verge team members, staff, holders, just everybody with insider information would have bought millions and millions allready making the price at very least 5000 satoshi by now.... Makes sense? I guess not, fantatic desperate fan bois never use logic other than wish-thinking.

Wish-thinking???....All you have spoken about is fud....All nothing but negative speculation...Complete nonsense with ZERO proof....Verge has one of the largest Telegram communities consisting of almost 35k members...You are full of hogwash along with all the other dimwit fudders...You will all be shamed come the 17th...

[audi55]

Listen fudders...if Verge really were planning an exit scam....they would have done it in December when Verge price was up to $.30....There would have been no need for a big partnership announcement....You fudders never use any common sense...

[Highspeed123]

Listen fudders...if Verge really were planning an exit scam....they would have done it in December when Verge price was up to $.30....There would have been no need for a big partnership announcement....You fudders never use any common sense...

Lol, not to mention the age of the project and how well known the dev is, like he could get away with it if that was true . Too much nonsense in this thread,  some people just don't think.

[BtcMan2009]

What I see here in this topic a lot of messages with a negative character and admit it is very alarming. Well that this can be done in time for yourself on the project conclusions. But in this world, as we know, everything is possible and everyone knows that, so there's only time will tell.

[Kushedout]

I managed to buy a coin, while there was a fall and I'm very happy about it. Tell me, what are your forecasts, what will happen to the coin next?

keep holding,,, a lesson learned is what's next. 

[crypt0kid]

In my opinion, there is a real partnership. Of that I am certain. What I am concerned about is the legitimacy of this partner.

In other words:
1. Is the partner as big as Verge makes them out to be?
2. Will the community be as excited about this partner as Verge thinks they will be?
3. Did Verge make a mistake and oversell this partnership?

Those are my primary concerns. There is so much complaining about the crowdfund. Listen, of the 76 million Verge raised, TokenPay donated 66 million. It would be one thing if the entire 75 million coins were raise by the community. If that was the case, then I'd say that we should be concerned. The fact of the matter is that only 10 million Verge coins were raised by the community. The remaining 66 million were raised by their partner. Do  you really think that TokenPay would blindly put up all of that money without believing that this was a legitimated partner and investment worthy of donating to? Also, the partnership will also benefit TokenPay itself and they obviously see the value.

I was on the verge (pun intended) of selling out half of my portfolio before the announcement, but common sense tells me that it would be a mistake. I'm therefore holding all of my Verge and I'm strapped in for the upcoming rocket ship that will launch us into orbit.