Health and Religion

[af_newbie]

Are you arguing that because slavery still exists today, it is ok?  If you do, your moral compass is seriously messed up.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-slavery/

The bible clearly sanctioned slavery.  You seem to be confused about both, the Bible and slavery.

There is nothing to argue about.  Just read that book for once.

No he is highlighting the fact that the Bible mitigates and restricts slavery in practice and simultaneously establishes the conditions where slavery can eventually be reduced or eliminated.

It was no coincidence that the abolitionist movement was led by Christians.

There is indeed nothing to argue about.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1566146.msg17342890#msg17342890

All I hear from you is "la-la-la, Christians good, slavery may be no good, Christians made it good, God is good, I can't hear you...."

You are both delusional.  Abolitionists went against the Christian churches in their fight to free slaves.

It is sad that you are so crazy and are willing to re-write the most painful parts of American history.

What is next, Christian Nazis were doing Jews a favor when they sent them to heaven and the Bible confirms it?

PS. The Roman Catholic church was supporting slavery until 1917 when they changed their canon law and made it a crime.  

[BADecker]

Are you arguing that because slavery still exists today, it is ok?  If you do, your moral compass is seriously messed up.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-slavery/

The bible clearly sanctioned slavery.  You seem to be confused about both, the Bible and slavery.

There is nothing to argue about.  Just read that book for once.

No he is highlighting the fact that the Bible mitigates and restricts slavery in practice and simultaneously establishes the conditions where slavery can eventually be reduced or eliminated.

It was no coincidence that the abolitionist movement was led by Christians.

There is indeed nothing to argue about.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1566146.msg17342890#msg17342890

All I hear from you is "la-la-la, Christians good, slavery may be no good, Christians made it good, God is good, I can't hear you...."

You are both delusional.  Abolitionists went against the Christian churches in their fight to free slaves.

It is sad that you are so crazy and are willing to re-write the most painful parts of American history.

What is next, Christian Nazis were doing Jews a favor when they sent them to heaven and the Bible confirms it?

PS. The Roman Catholic church was supporting slavery until 1917 when they changed their canon law and made it a crime.  

You claim to support science and agree with it. The thing that science does is it gets down to the tiny points, examines the evidence, watches how things react together, and draws conclusions from what is happening.

Why is it that you want to disregard the science of formal religion? Formal religion isn't something you can lump together and draw conclusions about without deep examination. What you are doing is akin to religion more than it is science. So...

You again show us all that you are a religious being. And that in this case, you would rather set yourself and your ideals up as god over scientific examination.

You need to find the best formal religion you can find, and adhere to it. If you don't, your duplicity will ultimately destroy you. Your choice.

[CoinCube]

All I hear from you is "la-la-la, Christians good, slavery may be no good, Christians made it good, God is good, I can't hear you...."

You are both delusional.  Abolitionists went against the Christian churches in their fight to free slaves.
...

If all you hear from me is la-la-la Christians good then you are not listening.

Christians are not good. No humans are good. We are all fallen. Humanity is a worming and struggling mass of the ignorant and foolish wallowing like swine in a mud-pit each of us covered from head to toe. Most of us spend our time looking for comfortable pits or fighting with each other for the best mud.

The Christian worldview opens ones eyes to the reality. It is the wiping away of at least a portion of the mud covering our eyes so we can see the reality of the world around us. However, Christianity is far more than just a realization of our fallen state. It is also the assertion that underneath the inches of hardened mud their exists a core of infinite value something worthy of forgiveness and life. It is a calling to clean the mud off of ourselves to the best of our ability and then help others do the same.  

The only solution to the inherent flaw in humanity is to forsake all for a selfless existence. But this is extremely difficult for a human to even approximate. We are bound in our evolutionary fragment of the universe which make it impossible for us to be truly superrational of our own accord. Our biological and human limitations ensure this at least in this world and in this form.

The process is in my opinion what C.S. Lewis was referring to in his man vs rabbit essay when he said we cannot reach the top of the mountain on our own and even if we could we would perish because we currently lack what is necessary at those heights.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X9fR1vSxNEQ

The symmetry of our common human situation is what is notable. Some of us may be slightly higher up the mountain then others and further along in our climb. But we are all still among among the bottom slopes of the mountain and incapable of completing the journey on our own. Our weakness and ignorance guarantee our eventual death no matter how high we climb. Thus our desperate need for a savior.  

Christians follow Jesus but our role can only be that of a sheep following a shepherd. Wayward, foolish and prone to stray regardless of our intent.

Why does God call us sheep?
https://inhonoroftheking.blogspot.com/2011/04/why-does-god-call-us-sheep.html?m=1

[af_newbie]

Are you arguing that because slavery still exists today, it is ok?  If you do, your moral compass is seriously messed up.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-slavery/

The bible clearly sanctioned slavery.  You seem to be confused about both, the Bible and slavery.

There is nothing to argue about.  Just read that book for once.

No he is highlighting the fact that the Bible mitigates and restricts slavery in practice and simultaneously establishes the conditions where slavery can eventually be reduced or eliminated.

It was no coincidence that the abolitionist movement was led by Christians.

There is indeed nothing to argue about.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1566146.msg17342890#msg17342890

All I hear from you is "la-la-la, Christians good, slavery may be no good, Christians made it good, God is good, I can't hear you...."

You are both delusional.  Abolitionists went against the Christian churches in their fight to free slaves.

It is sad that you are so crazy and are willing to re-write the most painful parts of American history.

What is next, Christian Nazis were doing Jews a favor when they sent them to heaven and the Bible confirms it?

PS. The Roman Catholic church was supporting slavery until 1917 when they changed their canon law and made it a crime.  

You claim to support science and agree with it. The thing that science does is it gets down to the tiny points, examines the evidence, watches how things react together, and draws conclusions from what is happening.

Why is it that you want to disregard the science of formal religion? Formal religion isn't something you can lump together and draw conclusions about without deep examination. What you are doing is akin to religion more than it is science. So...

You again show us all that you are a religious being. And that in this case, you would rather set yourself and your ideals up as god over scientific examination.

You need to find the best formal religion you can find, and adhere to it. If you don't, your duplicity will ultimately destroy you. Your choice.

I am religious about reading non-religious books, LOL.  

Not to worry, your threats (of my ultimate destruction) do not scare me.  I am sane and quite happy to be alive.

You and I will rot the same, however.  When your brain goes offline, you'll not feel or experience a thing, 'your idea, feeling of God' will die with you, of that I am certain.

So enjoy your life, your religion, your delusional worldview because when you die, well, you'll be gone forever.  And in two or three generations nobody, and I mean nobody, will know that you ever existed or mattered. Your Bible will be relocated to the mythology section of your local library, people will be establishing new colonies in this solar system and beyond.  And your precious Jesus or Yahweh will follow the footsteps of Zeus, Ra, Thor, Osiris, Mitra and all of the other mythological figures created by primitive, ancient civilizations.

Progress will be made despite Christian, Muslim or Jewish opposition.  Maybe even in your lifetime, we'll have an openly lesbian, black Pope.

[BADecker]

Are you arguing that because slavery still exists today, it is ok?  If you do, your moral compass is seriously messed up.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-slavery/

The bible clearly sanctioned slavery.  You seem to be confused about both, the Bible and slavery.

There is nothing to argue about.  Just read that book for once.

No he is highlighting the fact that the Bible mitigates and restricts slavery in practice and simultaneously establishes the conditions where slavery can eventually be reduced or eliminated.

It was no coincidence that the abolitionist movement was led by Christians.

There is indeed nothing to argue about.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1566146.msg17342890#msg17342890

All I hear from you is "la-la-la, Christians good, slavery may be no good, Christians made it good, God is good, I can't hear you...."

You are both delusional.  Abolitionists went against the Christian churches in their fight to free slaves.

It is sad that you are so crazy and are willing to re-write the most painful parts of American history.

What is next, Christian Nazis were doing Jews a favor when they sent them to heaven and the Bible confirms it?

PS. The Roman Catholic church was supporting slavery until 1917 when they changed their canon law and made it a crime.  

You claim to support science and agree with it. The thing that science does is it gets down to the tiny points, examines the evidence, watches how things react together, and draws conclusions from what is happening.

Why is it that you want to disregard the science of formal religion? Formal religion isn't something you can lump together and draw conclusions about without deep examination. What you are doing is akin to religion more than it is science. So...

You again show us all that you are a religious being. And that in this case, you would rather set yourself and your ideals up as god over scientific examination.

You need to find the best formal religion you can find, and adhere to it. If you don't, your duplicity will ultimately destroy you. Your choice.

I am religious about reading non-religious books, LOL.  

Not to worry, your threats (of my ultimate destruction) do not scare me.  I am sane and quite happy to be alive.

You and I will rot the same, however.  When your brain goes offline, you'll not feel or experience a thing, 'your idea, feeling of God' will die with you, of that I am certain.

So enjoy your life, your religion, your delusional worldview because when you die, well, you'll be gone forever.  And in two or three generations nobody, and I mean nobody, will know that you ever existed or mattered. Your Bible will be relocated to the mythology section of your local library, people will be establishing new colonies in this solar system and beyond.  And your precious Jesus or Yahweh will follow the footsteps of Zeus, Ra, Thor, Osiris, Mitra and all of the other mythological figures created by primitive, ancient civilizations.

Progress will be made despite Christian, Muslim or Jewish opposition.  Maybe even in your lifetime, we'll have an openly lesbian, black Pope.

It's about salvation. Science won't save you. So far science hasn't been able to extend the lives of people any more than Biblical hygiene does. Science doesn't even talk about salvation.

Step up to Christianity, and let God save you for eternal life in Heaven.

[af_newbie]

Are you arguing that because slavery still exists today, it is ok?  If you do, your moral compass is seriously messed up.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-slavery/

The bible clearly sanctioned slavery.  You seem to be confused about both, the Bible and slavery.

There is nothing to argue about.  Just read that book for once.

No he is highlighting the fact that the Bible mitigates and restricts slavery in practice and simultaneously establishes the conditions where slavery can eventually be reduced or eliminated.

It was no coincidence that the abolitionist movement was led by Christians.

There is indeed nothing to argue about.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1566146.msg17342890#msg17342890

All I hear from you is "la-la-la, Christians good, slavery may be no good, Christians made it good, God is good, I can't hear you...."

You are both delusional.  Abolitionists went against the Christian churches in their fight to free slaves.

It is sad that you are so crazy and are willing to re-write the most painful parts of American history.

What is next, Christian Nazis were doing Jews a favor when they sent them to heaven and the Bible confirms it?

PS. The Roman Catholic church was supporting slavery until 1917 when they changed their canon law and made it a crime.  

You claim to support science and agree with it. The thing that science does is it gets down to the tiny points, examines the evidence, watches how things react together, and draws conclusions from what is happening.

Why is it that you want to disregard the science of formal religion? Formal religion isn't something you can lump together and draw conclusions about without deep examination. What you are doing is akin to religion more than it is science. So...

You again show us all that you are a religious being. And that in this case, you would rather set yourself and your ideals up as god over scientific examination.

You need to find the best formal religion you can find, and adhere to it. If you don't, your duplicity will ultimately destroy you. Your choice.

I am religious about reading non-religious books, LOL.  

Not to worry, your threats (of my ultimate destruction) do not scare me.  I am sane and quite happy to be alive.

You and I will rot the same, however.  When your brain goes offline, you'll not feel or experience a thing, 'your idea, feeling of God' will die with you, of that I am certain.

So enjoy your life, your religion, your delusional worldview because when you die, well, you'll be gone forever.  And in two or three generations nobody, and I mean nobody, will know that you ever existed or mattered. Your Bible will be relocated to the mythology section of your local library, people will be establishing new colonies in this solar system and beyond.  And your precious Jesus or Yahweh will follow the footsteps of Zeus, Ra, Thor, Osiris, Mitra and all of the other mythological figures created by primitive, ancient civilizations.

Progress will be made despite Christian, Muslim or Jewish opposition.  Maybe even in your lifetime, we'll have an openly lesbian, black Pope.

It's about salvation. Science won't save you. So far science hasn't been able to extend the lives of people any more than Biblical hygiene does. Science doesn't even talk about salvation.

Step up to Christianity, and let God save you for eternal life in Heaven.

ROFL.  'Salvation' is part of your delusion, it will die with you. LOL.

[BADecker]

It's about salvation. Science won't save you. So far science hasn't been able to extend the lives of people any more than Biblical hygiene does. Science doesn't even talk about salvation.

Step up to Christianity, and let God save you for eternal life in Heaven.

ROFL.  'Salvation' is part of your delusion, it will die with you. LOL.

The wind swirls round and round. The pine needles are blown away in the swirling wind. Guess I better not cast my swirls before the pine.

[af_newbie]

All I hear from you is "la-la-la, Christians good, slavery may be no good, Christians made it good, God is good, I can't hear you...."

You are both delusional.  Abolitionists went against the Christian churches in their fight to free slaves.
...

If all you hear from me is la-la-la Christians good then you are not listening.

Christians are not good. No humans are good. We are all fallen. Humanity is a worming and struggling mass of the ignorant and foolish wallowing like swine in a mud-pit each of us covered from head to toe. Most of us spend our time looking for comfortable pits or fighting with each other for the best mud.

The Christian worldview opens ones eyes to the reality. It is the wiping away of at least a portion of the mud covering our eyes so we can see the reality of the world around us. However, Christianity is far more than just a realization of our fallen state. It is also the assertion that underneath the inches of hardened mud their exists a core of infinite value something worthy of forgiveness and life. It is a calling to clean the mud off of ourselves to the best of our ability and then help others do the same.  

The only solution to the inherent flaw in humanity is to forsake all for a selfless existence. But this is extremely difficult for a human to even approximate. We are bound in our evolutionary fragment of the universe which make it impossible for us to be truly superrational of our own accord. Our biological and human limitations ensure this at least in this world and in this form.

The process is in my opinion what C.S. Lewis was referring to in his man vs rabbit essay when he said we cannot reach the top of the mountain on our own and even if we could we would perish because we currently lack what is necessary at those heights.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X9fR1vSxNEQ

The symmetry of our common human situation is what is notable. Some of us may be slightly higher up the mountain then others and further along in our climb. But we are all still among among the bottom slopes of the mountain and incapable of completing the journey on our own. Our weakness and ignorance guarantee our eventual death no matter how high we climb. Thus our desperate need for a savior.  

Christians follow Jesus but our role can only be that of a sheep following a shepherd. Wayward, foolish and prone to stray regardless of our intent.

Why does God call us sheep?
https://inhonoroftheking.blogspot.com/2011/04/why-does-god-call-us-sheep.html?m=1

Who told you such nonsense?  Was it a gypsy fortune teller?  They like to say that before they ask for money to lift the curse that prevents you from being 'good'.

There are good and bad people out there, regardless of what they believe or not believe.

"No humans are good". LOL.  You are cracking me up.

I guess they first have to tell you that you are sick (not well) before they will offer you their solution/treatment/salvation etc.  
Otherwise, you will not swallow their bait.

Religion poisons one's mind.  It is a virus passed on from parents/grandparents to their children/grandchildren.

The only way to cure yourself from it is to go cold turkey and face the people who infected you.

Life is worth living for, death is not.  That is what you are doing.  Engaging in a death cult.

If you are an MD like you say you are, you KNOW for sure that cell death is an irreversible process.  When someone dies, he/she actually dies
and nothing will bring them back to life.  Why would you believe in this death/resurrection cult is beyond me?

Someone really messed you up.  I hope that you will recover from it someday.  I really do.

[CoinCube]

...
"No humans are good". LOL.  You are cracking me up.

I guess they first have to tell you that you are sick (not well) before they will offer you their solution/treatment/salvation etc. 
Otherwise, you will not swallow their bait.

Religion poisons one's mind.  It is a virus passed on from parents/grandparents to their children/grandchildren.

The only way to cure yourself from it is to go cold turkey and face the people who infected you.

Life is worth living for, death is not.  That is what you are doing.  Engaging in a death cult.
...

That is a difference between us. You think you are a good person. I know I am a flawed sinner in need of grace.

In the end, it does not matter if what you believed was true or not, you'll rot and decompose the same, atoms in your body will be used to form something else.

You and I will rot the same

when you die, well, you'll be gone forever.  And in two or three generations nobody, and I mean nobody, will know that you ever existed or mattered.

I must politely disagree on which of the two of us are engaging in a death cult.

[af_newbie]

...
"No humans are good". LOL.  You are cracking me up.

I guess they first have to tell you that you are sick (not well) before they will offer you their solution/treatment/salvation etc.  
Otherwise, you will not swallow their bait.

Religion poisons one's mind.  It is a virus passed on from parents/grandparents to their children/grandchildren.

The only way to cure yourself from it is to go cold turkey and face the people who infected you.

Life is worth living for, death is not.  That is what you are doing.  Engaging in a death cult.
...

That is a difference between us. You think you are a good person. I know I am a flawed sinner in need of grace.

In the end, it does not matter if what you believed was true or not, you'll rot and decompose the same, atoms in your body will be used to form something else.

You and I will rot the same

when you die, well, you'll be gone forever.  And in two or three generations nobody, and I mean nobody, will know that you ever existed or mattered.

I must politely disagree on which of the two of us are engaging in a death cult.

By the divine power vested in me, I now give you an infinite grace.  

From now on, you are a good person, not a sinner.  

The deed is done.  

You are free to go, my child.

[CoinCube]

That is a difference between us. You think you are a good person. I know I am a flawed sinner in need of grace.

By the divine power vested in me, I now give you an infinite grace.  

From now on, you are a good person, not a sinner.  

The deed is done.  

You are free to go, my child.

That made me laugh I will give you that.

No offense intended but my skepticism over your divine providence exceeds even your disregard of my beliefs.

Though your post was clearly in jest you should consider the degree to which your belief structure leads you to a very similar pronunciation of self-righteousness and self-justification.

When we reject God something else will inevitably fill that void. The most common modern path of the irreligious is to declare themselves their own god perhaps not explicitly as you did in jest above but in a functionally identical way via their choices and actions.

[af_newbie]

That is a difference between us. You think you are a good person. I know I am a flawed sinner in need of grace.

By the divine power vested in me, I now give you an infinite grace.  

From now on, you are a good person, not a sinner.  

The deed is done.  

You are free to go, my child.

That made me laugh I will give you that.

No offense intended but my skepticism over your divine providence exceeds even your disregard of my beliefs.

Though your post was clearly in jest you should consider the degree to which your belief structure leads you to a very similar pronunciation of self-righteous.

When we reject God something else will inevitably fill that void. The most common modern path of the nons is to declare themselves their own god perhaps not explicitly as you did in jest above but in a functionally identical way via their choices and actions.

The void is filled with reason and logic.  That is the only way to stay sane, make rational and moral decisions.

BTW, there is nothing to reject.  The 'God' proposition does not justify serious consideration.  There is no definition of it.
There is absolutely no evidence to consider.

Every single religious myth (yours included) is based on the cultural beliefs of the people who created it.

Belief in magic and danger was an evolutionary survival mechanism.  
It was better to make a type 1 than type 2 error and die because you were wrong.

Think about this, we both have rejected 3000+ Gods.  I just rejected on more cultural myth than you.

Why did you reject Zeus or Quetzalcoatl?

Every religious person was very lucky to be born into the right religion and believe in the right God, LOL.  Think about it.

PS. How could you consider me a God, my body is fragile, about 60% water, my skin is penetrable, I will live another 30 or 40 years, 50 if I am super lucky.  I am a descendant of an African ape, my maternal haplogroup is L, paternal Haplogroup is A, less than 4% of my DNA is of Neanderthal origin (got 288 out of 2872 tested variants).  Hardly a supernatural being. LOL.

[CoinCube]

The void is filled with reason and logic.  That is the only way to stay sane, make rational and moral decisions.

BTW, there is nothing to reject.  The 'God' proposition does not even justify serious consideration.  There is no definition of it.
There is absolutely no evidence to consider.

Every single religious myth (yours included) is based on the cultural beliefs of the people who created it.
...

Reason and logic are process not purpose. They are tools used to acquire and retain power. Power over the world power and power over ourselves. The pursuit of power is not an ends it is a means.

You imply we should reject God in favor of accumulating as much individual knowledge and thus power as possible but to what end?

The Christian goal is moral improvement forgiveness of and eventual freedom from sin, and oneness and harmony with God in the world to come. You have chosen to reject that and have replaced it with...

That’s just it you haven’t replaced it with anything you’ve just created a void. It’s that void that drives many to suicide and others to insane ideologies and depression. You can try to fill it with something artificial. You can create some purpose maybe sex, money or perhaps scientific know how. Whatever you choose, however, will forever be an artificial construct something you purposely constructed and something that can be torn down and discarded whenever the mood shifts.

You feel the ‘God' proposition does not justify serious consideration. I respectfully but profoundly disagree.

[af_newbie]

The void is filled with reason and logic.  That is the only way to stay sane, make rational and moral decisions.

BTW, there is nothing to reject.  The 'God' proposition does not even justify serious consideration.  There is no definition of it.
There is absolutely no evidence to consider.

Every single religious myth (yours included) is based on the cultural beliefs of the people who created it.
...

Reason and logic are process not purpose. They are tools used to acquire and retain power. Power over the world power and power over ourselves. The pursuit of power is not an ends it is a means.

You imply we should reject God in favor of accumulating as much individual knowledge and thus power as possible but to what end?

The Christian goal is moral improvement forgiveness of and eventual freedom from sin, and oneness and harmony with God in the world to come. You have chosen to reject that and have replaced it with...

That’s just it you haven’t replaced it with anything you’ve just created a void. It’s that void that drives many to suicide and others to insane ideologies and depression. You can try to fill it with something artificial. You can create some purpose maybe sex, money or perhaps scientific know how. Whatever you choose, however, will forever be an artificial construct something you purposely constructed and something that can be torn down and discarded whenever the mood shifts.

You feel the ‘God' proposition does not justify serious consideration. I respectfully but profoundly disagree.

Your purpose in life is Christianity?  Jesus fucking Christ, you are wasting your life.  I thought you asked what fills the void when one does not have faith in the supernatural and the afterlife, how one explains the unknowns of this world?  The answer is still reason and logic.

As for the purpose of life, for me, the purpose of MY life is to be happy, love people close to me, have kids, and help them become independent thinkers who can survive in our very complicated and competitive world.  I love to learn new stuff, I am always 'a fucking newbie', aka af_newbie in any new field, I start to explore.  That is why I am here in this world.  To learn and help others in my life.

There is no void, I am whole, LOL.

BTW, you cannot have moral improvement with Christianity without changing (or ignoring) the moral rules specified in the Bible.  The same goes for all other religions.  That is why they have to go through revisions or 'transformations', LOL.  Basically, ignore what 'God said'.
The only idiots who think chopping heads, stoning and burning people alive is STILL a good idea are the Muslims.  Christians stopped doing that about two centuries ago.  I think the last burning alive was in Germany in 1835.

I wish people would be honest with themselves, admit they were conned, see what religions really are, a way to control people and extract money from them.

Instead, some people lock themselves into this religious thought prison and cannot admit they have made a mistake; that their God fucked up on more than one occasion.

Banning slavery should have been in the 10 commandments.   Some, weak-ass God you have there.  A 5-year-old child knows that slavery is wrong.  He supposed to be God for fuck's sake.  

But the reality is that God was just some guy in Judea who wrote what he thought was a good idea at that time.  Well, it was never a good idea.  It was wrong back then, and it is wrong now.  

Mr. God knew squat about psychology so to him if there was no blood there was no harm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ZLuRYp8gk

[BADecker]

The void is filled with reason and logic.  That is the only way to stay sane, make rational and moral decisions.

BTW, there is nothing to reject.  The 'God' proposition does not even justify serious consideration.  There is no definition of it.
There is absolutely no evidence to consider.

Every single religious myth (yours included) is based on the cultural beliefs of the people who created it.
...

Reason and logic are process not purpose. They are tools used to acquire and retain power. Power over the world power and power over ourselves. The pursuit of power is not an ends it is a means.

You imply we should reject God in favor of accumulating as much individual knowledge and thus power as possible but to what end?

The Christian goal is moral improvement forgiveness of and eventual freedom from sin, and oneness and harmony with God in the world to come. You have chosen to reject that and have replaced it with...

That’s just it you haven’t replaced it with anything you’ve just created a void. It’s that void that drives many to suicide and others to insane ideologies and depression. You can try to fill it with something artificial. You can create some purpose maybe sex, money or perhaps scientific know how. Whatever you choose, however, will forever be an artificial construct something you purposely constructed and something that can be torn down and discarded whenever the mood shifts.

You feel the ‘God' proposition does not justify serious consideration. I respectfully but profoundly disagree.

Your purpose in life is Christianity?  Jesus fucking Christ, you are wasting your life.  I thought you asked what fills the void when one does not have faith in the supernatural and the afterlife, how one explains the unknowns of this world?  The answer is still reason and logic.

As for the purpose of life, for me, the purpose of MY life is to be happy, love people close to me, have kids, and help them become independent thinkers who can survive in our very complicated and competitive world.  I love to learn new stuff, I am always 'a fucking newbie', aka af_newbie in any new field, I start to explore.  That is why I am here in this world.  To learn and help others in my life.

There is no void, I am whole, LOL.

BTW, you cannot have moral improvement with Christianity without changing (or ignoring) the moral rules specified in the Bible.  The same goes for all other religions.  That is why they have to go through revisions or 'transformations', LOL.  Basically, ignore what 'God said'.
The only idiots who think chopping heads, stoning and burning people alive is STILL a good idea are the Muslims.  Christians stopped doing that about two centuries ago.  I think the last burning alive was in Germany in 1835.

I wish people would be honest with themselves, admit they were conned, see what religions really are, a way to control people and extract money from them.

Instead, some people lock themselves into this religious thought prison and cannot admit they have made a mistake; that their God fucked up on more than one occasion.

Banning slavery should have been in the 10 commandments.   Some, weak-ass God you have there.  A 5-year-old child knows that slavery is wrong.  He supposed to be God for fuck's sake.  

But the reality is that God was just some guy in Judea who wrote what he thought was a good idea at that time.  Well, it was never a good idea.  It was wrong back then, and it is wrong now.  

Mr. God knew squat about psychology so to him if there was no blood there was no harm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5ZLuRYp8gk

Everything you have and are comes from God. Even your rebellion against God is allowed and upheld by God because he is giving you what you want. So, you are gifted by God. To make you really good, simply be thankful to Him.

[CryptocurencyKing]

Being too religious is like one with a blindfold on. Your completely blind to the other aspects of reality and stops you from asking certain conflicting questions about your faith. You see little or no truth in the facts outside your professed faith and tend to judge and segregate a lot.
Religion brings creates barrier by means of taboos in certain health practices which might be helpful and as a result, it becomes a step backwards on new helpful trends in modern day medicine.
Religion is a good emotional too depending on how you choose to view this in your locality. It can either brighten you up and make you all cheerful or depressed.

[BADecker]

Being too religious is like one with a blindfold on. Your completely blind to the other aspects of reality and stops you from asking certain conflicting questions about your faith. You see little or no truth in the facts outside your professed faith and tend to judge and segregate a lot.
Religion brings creates barrier by means of taboos in certain health practices which might be helpful and as a result, it becomes a step backwards on new helpful trends in modern day medicine.
Religion is a good emotional too depending on how you choose to view this in your locality. It can either brighten you up and make you all cheerful or depressed.

Except that being open-minded about other aspects of reality, especially when you can't see the dangers of that other reality, might mean you are not being religious enough.

[af_newbie]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2476751/Polish-girl-Maria-Kislo-12-hangs-missed-dead-father.html

That is what religious dogma can do to you.  It is as dangerous as heroin.

Just don't do it.  It can really mess you up.

[CoinCube]

As for the purpose of life, for me, the purpose of MY life is to be happy, love people close to me, have kids, and help them become independent thinkers who can survive in our very complicated and competitive world.  I love to learn new stuff, I am always 'a fucking newbie', aka af_newbie in any new field, I start to explore.  That is why I am here in this world.  To learn and help others in my life.

Very sad story about the little girl.  Any purpose can be twisted if isolated and misunderstood. I don't know the entirety of the circumstances that lead to the tragedy but I would agree that some religious groups focus on heaven with an intensity that places them at risk of neglecting the here and now. This is an area where many Christians can in my opinion learn something from Judaism.  

All moral precepts can if isolated and misunderstood be twisted into evil. Take the purposes you shared. They are all good things but each in isolation can also be twisted.

To be happy: If twisted to extremes can lead one to selfish pleasure seeking and hedonism prioritizing ones happiness over all else.

To desire kids who thrive amidst competition: Twisted this towards evil takes one to a tribalistic mindset and in extreme cases a desire for eugenic supremacy by whatever means necessary.

To help others: Is noble but it is also a cornerstone of many flawed ideals such as communism and the argument that the need to help others requires we take via force from those who possess abundance to fund the redistribution.

Even the desire to learn and invent new things: This desire most certainly advances human technology and power but it also requires a simultaneous increase in human wisdom to be healthy. Technological innovation alone bereft of wisdom simply simply opens the door to extreme and new forms of evil.
"Slaughterbots" | Presented by ALTER
New Robot Makes Soldiers Obsolete (Bosstown Dynamics)

Your stated purposes are all good ones but they are a floating list without a foundation or at least without a foundation you have shared. A solid foundation requires a rational criteria for choosing between them when they conflict as well as a structure that will keep these desires healthy and limit excess when opportunities for excess arise.  

In regards to your argument that you cannot have moral improvement with Christianity because the Bible is fixed and unchanging here is what C.S. Lewis wrote in response to this critique.

"Q: Doesn’t tying ourselves to an immutable (unchanging) moral code cut off all progress and acquiesce in stagnation?"

"A: Let us strip the question of the illegitimate emotional power it derives from the word 'stagnation' with its suggestion of puddles and mantled pools. If water stands too long it stinks. To infer thence that whatever stands long must be unwholesome is to be the victim of metaphor. Space does not stink because it has preserved its three dimensions from the beginning. The square on the hypotenuse has not gone moldy by continuing to equal the sum of the squares on the other two sides. Love is not dishonored by constancy, and when we wash our hands we are seeking stagnation and "putting the clock back," artificially restoring our hands to the status quo in which they began the day and resisting the natural trend of events which would increase their dirtiness steadily from our birth to our death.

For the emotive term 'stagnant' let us substitute the descriptive term 'permanent.' Does a permanent moral standard preclude progress? On the contrary, except on the supposition of a changeless standard, progress is impossible. If good is a fixed point, it is at least possible that we should get nearer and nearer to it; but if the terminus is as mobile as the train, how can the train progress towards it? Our ideas of the good may change, but they cannot change either for the better or the worse if there is no absolute and immutable good to which they can recede. We can go on getting a sum more and more nearly right only if the one perfectly right is "stagnant".

And yet it will be said, I have just admitted that our ideas of good may improve. How is this to be reconciled with the view that "traditional morality" is a depositum fidei [deposit of revelations] which cannot be deserted? The answer can be understood if we compare a real moral advance with a mere innovation. From the Stoic and Confucian, "Do not do to others what you would not like them to do to you"; to the Christian, "Do as you would be done by" is a real advance. The morality of Nietzsche is a mere innovation. The first is an advance because no one who did not admit the validity of the old maxim could see reason for accepting the new one, and anyone who accepted the old would at once recognize the new as an extension of the same principle. If he rejected it, he would have to reject it as a superfluity, something that went too far, not as something simply heterogeneous from his own ideas of value. But the Nietzschean ethic can be accepted only if we are ready to scrap traditional morals as a mere error and then to put ourselves in a position where we can find no ground for any value judgements at all. It is the difference between a man who says to us: "You like your vegetables moderately fresh; why not grow your own and have them perfectly fresh?" and a man who says, "Throw away that loaf and try eating bricks and centipedes instead." Real moral advances, in fine [=in conclusion], are made from within the existing moral tradition and in the spirit of that tradition and can be understood only in the light of that tradition. The outsider who has rejected the tradition cannot judge them. He has, as Aristotle said, no arche, no premises"

The lighthouse of Christianity shines because it is based on the reality of an objective & universal Moral Code that we know & have broken. It is this truth which makes Christianity's offer of forgiveness, & its gift of supernatural help towards keeping that Moral Code, so incredible.

On Ethics by C.S. Lewis

[af_newbie]

As for the purpose of life, for me, the purpose of MY life is to be happy, love people close to me, have kids, and help them become independent thinkers who can survive in our very complicated and competitive world.  I love to learn new stuff, I am always 'a fucking newbie', aka af_newbie in any new field, I start to explore.  That is why I am here in this world.  To learn and help others in my life.

Very sad story about the little girl.  Any purpose can be twisted if isolated and misunderstood. I don't know the entirety of the circumstances that lead to the tragedy but I would agree that some religious groups focus on heaven with an intensity that places them at risk of neglecting the here and now. This is an area where many Christians can in my opinion learn something from Judaism.  

All moral precepts can if isolated and misunderstood be twisted into evil. Take the purposes you shared. They are all good things but each in isolation can also be twisted.

To be happy: If twisted to extremes can lead one to selfish pleasure seeking and hedonism prioritizing ones happiness over all else.

To desire kids who thrive amidst competition: Twisted this towards evil takes one to a tribalistic mindset and in extreme cases a desire for eugenic supremacy by whatever means necessary.

To help others: Is noble but it is also a cornerstone of many flawed ideals such as communism and the argument that the need to help others requires we take via force from those who possess abundance to fund the redistribution.

Even the desire to learn and invent new things: This desire most certainly advances human technology and power but it also requires a simultaneous increase in human wisdom to be healthy. Technological innovation alone bereft of wisdom simply simply opens the door to extreme and new forms of evil.
"Slaughterbots" | Presented by ALTER
New Robot Makes Soldiers Obsolete (Bosstown Dynamics)

Your stated purposes are all good ones but they are a floating list without a foundation or at least without a foundation you have shared. A solid foundation requires a rational criteria for choosing between them when they conflict as well as a structure that will keep these desires healthy and limit excess when opportunities for excess arise.  

In regards to your argument that you cannot have moral improvement with Christianity because the Bible is fixed and unchanging here is what C.S. Lewis wrote in response to this critique.

"Q: Doesn’t tying ourselves to an immutable (unchanging) moral code cut off all progress and acquiesce in stagnation?"

"A: Let us strip the question of the illegitimate emotional power it derives from the word 'stagnation' with its suggestion of puddles and mantled pools. If water stands too long it stinks. To infer thence that whatever stands long must be unwholesome is to be the victim of metaphor. Space does not stink because it has preserved its three dimensions from the beginning. The square on the hypotenuse has not gone moldy by continuing to equal the sum of the squares on the other two sides. Love is not dishonored by constancy, and when we wash our hands we are seeking stagnation and "putting the clock back," artificially restoring our hands to the status quo in which they began the day and resisting the natural trend of events which would increase their dirtiness steadily from our birth to our death.

For the emotive term 'stagnant' let us substitute the descriptive term 'permanent.' Does a permanent moral standard preclude progress? On the contrary, except on the supposition of a changeless standard, progress is impossible. If good is a fixed point, it is at least possible that we should get nearer and nearer to it; but if the terminus is as mobile as the train, how can the train progress towards it? Our ideas of the good may change, but they cannot change either for the better or the worse if there is no absolute and immutable good to which they can recede. We can go on getting a sum more and more nearly right only if the one perfectly right is "stagnant".

And yet it will be said, I have just admitted that our ideas of good may improve. How is this to be reconciled with the view that "traditional morality" is a depositum fidei [deposit of revelations] which cannot be deserted? The answer can be understood if we compare a real moral advance with a mere innovation. From the Stoic and Confucian, "Do not do to others what you would not like them to do to you"; to the Christian, "Do as you would be done by" is a real advance. The morality of Nietzsche is a mere innovation. The first is an advance because no one who did not admit the validity of the old maxim could see reason for accepting the new one, and anyone who accepted the old would at once recognize the new as an extension of the same principle. If he rejected it, he would have to reject it as a superfluity, something that went too far, not as something simply heterogeneous from his own ideas of value. But the Nietzschean ethic can be accepted only if we are ready to scrap traditional morals as a mere error and then to put ourselves in a position where we can find no ground for any value judgements at all. It is the difference between a man who says to us: "You like your vegetables moderately fresh; why not grow your own and have them perfectly fresh?" and a man who says, "Throw away that loaf and try eating bricks and centipedes instead." Real moral advances, in fine [=in conclusion], are made from within the existing moral tradition and in the spirit of that tradition and can be understood only in the light of that tradition. The outsider who has rejected the tradition cannot judge them. He has, as Aristotle said, no arche, no premises"

The lighthouse of Christianity shines because it is based on the reality of an objective & universal Moral Code that we know & have broken. It is this truth which makes Christianity's offer of forgiveness, & its gift of supernatural help towards keeping that Moral Code, so incredible.

On Ethics by C.S. Lewis

My foundation is based on my education, both formal and informal.  Reason and logic are my lighthouses.

It is wrong to teach children that they will see their loved ones in heaven after they die.

That is what these cults of the afterlife are all about, plus the fear of hell sprinkled here and there and you have your foundation and your "lighthouse".

It is highly immoral to scare children about hell.  Both hell and heaven do not exist.  We went where they supposed to be to check.
Nada, no hell and no heaven.

Your Christian foundation is built on a fantasy.  Hardly a solid foundation. LOL.