Health and Religion

[af_newbie]

Are you sure you understand the “big” words?  Maybe you should stick with comic books and other fairy tales you are so fond of.

Your constant blabbing about nothing is nauseating.

So reason and rational argumentation nauseate you? This sounds more like an emotional response then a logical one.
Perhaps it is related to your view of religion as a cult?

You realize that the majority of Atheists in North America come from your cult, don't you?

Indoctrinating children into your cult is child abuse.

I saw this article today. Figured you would approve.

China: Schoolchildren taught to 'hate God,' Christianity an 'evil cult'
https://www.christianpost.com/news/china-schoolchildren-taught-to-hate-god-christianity-an-evil-cult.html

Christian parents in China have shared how their schoolchildren are being taught that Christianity is an “evil cult” and encouraged to “hate God” as the officially atheist country continues to tighten its grip on religion.

According to Chinese persecution watchdog Bitter Winter, since the Regulations on Religious Affairs legislation was implemented last year, schools around China have adopted “unprecedented measures” to keep students away from Christianity. Schools in China are government-controlled, and therefore Communist in ideology.

The policy has resulted in difficult situations for families as children are encouraged to question the beliefs of family members and report those closest to them to authorities.

Several Christian parents shared their stories with Bitter Winter, revealing the magnitude of China’s animosity toward Christianity.

“My teacher says that Christianity is an evil cult,” one boy explained to his mother. “[That] if you believe in it, you will leave home and not take care of me. You might set yourself on fire, too.”

Another mother shared how, after discovering an anti-Christian school textbook in her son’s backpack, she hid many of the items that identified her as a believer to help her son with his anxiety.

A month later, when her son found another religious leaflet in his mother’s bag by chance, he “angrily took a fruit knife from the kitchen and fiercely poked several holes in it,” according to the outlet.

He then threatened his mother to give up her faith because “Christianity is an evil cult” and she “mustn’t believe in it.”

“Before starting school, I told my child about God’s creation, and he believed it,” the woman explained. “But after being taught at school, my child is like a different person. In atheistic China, these pure and innocent children have been taught to hate God.”

Kindergarten and primary schools are also teaching children how to oppose religion. In late April, a primary school in Xinzheng city in the central province of Henan encouraged young children to refrain from believing in any deity.

“If your mom goes to church and believes in God, she doesn’t want you as her child anymore,” one teacher said.

Another school screened a propaganda video in which Jesus followers were depicted as big scary monsters. After the presentation was complete, a teacher warned that Christian relatives might “cast spells” on the youngsters.

One of the parents at the school said that as a result, her son actively opposed her reading religious books in the family home. Another student was terrified that his mom was going to be led away by police.

Others students were advised to “supervise” their parents to ensure that they don’t practice their faith.

“It leads to a dead-end,” one young student said of his father's Christian faith. “If you attend gatherings, you will be arrested.”

China introduced revised regulations on religion in February, which included banning under-18s from attending church or receiving any religious education.

The new regulations have also forced primary schools in Henan to warn parents that they are not allowed to breach the country's laws on the practice of religion.

"No one may use religions to disrupt social order, harm citizens or impede the national education system," read a letter by the Ninth Primary School of Linzhou city of Anyang and the First Primary School of Chengguan town of Xingyang city of Chengzhou.

"It is an offense for any organizations or individuals to guide, support, permit and condone minors to believe in religions or participate in religious activities," it warned.

Officials have also reportedly claimed schools are places "for the state to foster students to build up socialist society," with parents told they have an obligation "to nurture children in accordance with national laws and social requirements."

China ranks as the 27th worst nation in the world when it comes to Christian persecution, according to Open Doors USA’s World Watch List. Open Doors has expressed concern that the religious affairs in China now “lies with the Communist Party.”

You have not presented any rational arguments.  First define God, then make your argument.

If you cannot define God, then the only rational position is to stop and say well, I don’t know, not jump to conjectures upon conjectures.

Christianity is a cult.  Human diversity we see today is not the result of incest in Noah’s family, 4000 years ago.  Who did sons of Adam and Eve marry? Angels, unicorns, dragons?

Fucking evil fairy tale dressed up as a religion designed to extract people’s wealth and molest their children.

It is our duty as intelligent human beings to expose the bullshit all religions sell.  Utter nonsense.  All of them, no exceptions.

[BADecker]

You have not presented any rational arguments.  First define God, then make your argument.

If you cannot define God, then the only rational position is to stop and say well, I don’t know, not jump to conjectures upon conjectures.

Christianity is a cult.  Human diversity we see today is not the result of incest in Noah’s family, 4000 years ago.  Who did sons of Adam and Eve marry? Angels, unicorns, dragons?

Fucking evil fairy tale dressed up as a religion designed to extract people’s wealth and molest their children.

It is our duty as intelligent human beings to expose the bullshit all religions sell.  Utter nonsense.  All of them, no exceptions.

All you are doing is suggesting, and essentially proving, that God exists. How are you doing this? Simple. You are suggesting something that you can't possibly know... when you suggest that God doesn't exist. In the light of the machine nature of the universe, and the fact that all our machines that WE make come from the machine nature of the universe, God is being shouted throughout the universe as its Maker... all machines have makers.

Since you set yourself up as the authority that says that God doesn't exist, and you really don't have enough knowledge to know that He doesn't exist, and nature says that He does exist, you are setting yourself up as god above God. So, you are not an atheist after all, even if you are too ignorant to realize it.

This proves that you are a hypocrite, and that your atheism is simply a religion for you, and that this atheism religion of yours is approximately the stupidest religion around. Or can you prove that you are god above God, showing that you don't exist?

[af_newbie]

You have not presented any rational arguments.  First define God, then make your argument.

If you cannot define God, then the only rational position is to stop and say well, I don’t know, not jump to conjectures upon conjectures.

Christianity is a cult.  Human diversity we see today is not the result of incest in Noah’s family, 4000 years ago.  Who did sons of Adam and Eve marry? Angels, unicorns, dragons?

Fucking evil fairy tale dressed up as a religion designed to extract people’s wealth and molest their children.

It is our duty as intelligent human beings to expose the bullshit all religions sell.  Utter nonsense.  All of them, no exceptions.

All you are doing is suggesting, and essentially proving, that God exists. How are you doing this? Simple. You are suggesting something that you can't possibly know... when you suggest that God doesn't exist. In the light of the machine nature of the universe, and the fact that all our machines that WE make come from the machine nature of the universe, God is being shouted throughout the universe as its Maker... all machines have makers.

Since you set yourself up as the authority that says that God doesn't exist, and you really don't have enough knowledge to know that He doesn't exist, and nature says that He does exist, you are setting yourself up as god above God. So, you are not an atheist after all, even if you are too ignorant to realize it.

This proves that you are a hypocrite, and that your atheism is simply a religion for you, and that this atheism religion of yours is approximately the stupidest religion around. Or can you prove that you are god above God, showing that you don't exist?

Where in that post did I say that God does not exist? Jesus fucking Christ, learn how to read before you post nonsense.

You are just a less convoluted, more emotional version of CoinCube, but you are carved from the same block of wood.

[BADecker]

You have not presented any rational arguments.  First define God, then make your argument.

If you cannot define God, then the only rational position is to stop and say well, I don’t know, not jump to conjectures upon conjectures.

Christianity is a cult.  Human diversity we see today is not the result of incest in Noah’s family, 4000 years ago.  Who did sons of Adam and Eve marry? Angels, unicorns, dragons?

Fucking evil fairy tale dressed up as a religion designed to extract people’s wealth and molest their children.

It is our duty as intelligent human beings to expose the bullshit all religions sell.  Utter nonsense.  All of them, no exceptions.

All you are doing is suggesting, and essentially proving, that God exists. How are you doing this? Simple. You are suggesting something that you can't possibly know... when you suggest that God doesn't exist. In the light of the machine nature of the universe, and the fact that all our machines that WE make come from the machine nature of the universe, God is being shouted throughout the universe as its Maker... all machines have makers.

Since you set yourself up as the authority that says that God doesn't exist, and you really don't have enough knowledge to know that He doesn't exist, and nature says that He does exist, you are setting yourself up as god above God. So, you are not an atheist after all, even if you are too ignorant to realize it.

This proves that you are a hypocrite, and that your atheism is simply a religion for you, and that this atheism religion of yours is approximately the stupidest religion around. Or can you prove that you are god above God, showing that you don't exist?

Where in that post did I say that God does not exist? Jesus fucking Christ, learn how to read before you post nonsense.

You are just a less convoluted, more emotional version of CoinCube, but you are carved from the same block of wood.

LOL! You simply can't answer, so you act like you are all heated up about something irrelevant.

[CoinCube]

You have not presented any rational arguments. First define God, then make your argument.

I have presented many rational arguments in this thread. Here are a small selection of them.

I have highlighted how we can mathematically deduce The incompleteness of the universe and logically conclude that whatever is outside the universe must be boundless, immaterial, indivisible and an uncaused cause.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg23796852#msg23796852

I have also highlighted how religious thought specifically monotheism conceptualizes God and how this conceptualization is consistent with what we can mathematically deduce.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg24187846#msg24187846

I have demonstrated how traditional Biblical writings on the timeline of creation and origins of mankind can in fact be reconciled with modern scientific thought.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg24374030#msg24374030

I have discussed the importance of truly drilling down to the foundations of ones metaphysical assumptions and how failure to do so was ceding control of ones actions, beliefs and thoughts to external forces.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg24418501#msg24418501

I have argued that maximizing cooperation is the greatest challenge that must be overcome to maximize progress.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg16982834#msg16982834

I have highlighted how superrationality breaks people free of prisoner's dilemmas allowing the achievement of optimal cooperative outcomes despite a Nash equilibrium of defection and betrayal and thus maximizes cooperation.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg21680790#msg21680790

I have argued that the laws needed to extend superrationality across the cosmos must lead to the creation of a universe wide not human specific morality and basic acceptance of superrational reality. These requirements manifest logically if we choose to love God with all our heart and with all our soul and with all our mind and love our neighbors as ourselves.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg51893391#msg51893391

Finally I tied much of this together in a single post in my argument for God.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg36246134#msg36246134

Fucking evil fairy tale dressed up as a religion designed to extract people’s wealth and molest their children.

This seem to be your real problem. You have arbitrarily and illogically defined the worship of God as evil based on human corruption and abuse that has infiltrated some houses of worship. This seems to have led to a progressive inability to process rational arguments that indicate you are incorrect and that the worship of God is the very opposite of evil.

Human corruption is endemic and everywhere omnipresent in all institutions. God is necessary to limit and eventually overcome that corruption.  

[af_newbie]

You have not presented any rational arguments. First define God, then make your argument.

I have presented many rational arguments in this thread. Here are a small selection of them.

I have highlighted how we can mathematically deduce The incompleteness of the universe and logically conclude that whatever is outside the universe must be boundless, immaterial, indivisible and an uncaused cause.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg23796852#msg23796852

I have also highlighted how religious thought specifically monotheism conceptualizes God and how this conceptualization is consistent with what we can mathematically deduce.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg24187846#msg24187846

I have demonstrated how traditional Biblical writings on the timeline of creation and origins of mankind can in fact be reconciled with modern scientific thought.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg24374030#msg24374030

I have discussed the importance of truly drilling down to the foundations of ones metaphysical assumptions and how failure to do so was ceding control of ones actions, beliefs and thoughts to external forces.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg24418501#msg24418501

I have argued that maximizing cooperation is the greatest challenge that must be overcome to maximize progress.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg16982834#msg16982834

I have highlighted how superrationality breaks people free of prisoner's dilemmas allowing the achievement of optimal cooperative outcomes despite a Nash equilibrium of defection and betrayal and thus maximizes cooperation.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg21680790#msg21680790

I have argued that the laws needed to extend superrationality across the cosmos must lead to the creation of a universe wide not human specific morality and basic acceptance of superrational reality. These requirements manifest logically if we choose to love God with all our heart and with all our soul and with all our mind and love our neighbors as ourselves.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg51893391#msg51893391

Finally I tied much of this together in a single post in my argument for God.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg36246134#msg36246134

Fucking evil fairy tale dressed up as a religion designed to extract people’s wealth and molest their children.

This seem to be your real problem. You have arbitrarily and illogically defined the worship of God as evil based on human corruption and abuse that has infiltrated some houses of worship. This seems to have led to a progressive inability to process rational arguments that indicate you are incorrect and that the worship of God is the very opposite of evil.

Human corruption is endemic and everywhere omnipresent in all institutions. God is necessary to limit and eventually overcome that corruption.  

Why don’t you get off your high horse and tell me who did the sons of Adam and Eve marry?

[netherfikk]

That is why there's so many jewish on wolfstreet

[CoinCube]

Why don’t you get off your high horse and tell me who did the sons of Adam and Eve marry?

I have discussed this earlier.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg25115058#msg25115058

I don't include it in my list of arguments above, however, because I don't have enough information. The best I can offer is my opinion.

Up until now (several pages of) answers and replies to you have been simple logic and deduction essentially IF -> THEN statements. However, I am not wise enough to answer these last questions in the same definitive manner. The best I can do is share my opinions on these issues. Perhaps that will be helpful.

On the question of Adam and Eve I believe the Bible/Torah is best understood as a functional document. It's intent and purpose is to redeem and rectify humanity.

For this to occur biblical wisdom must be conveyed in a manner that is both simplified enough to be understandable by primitive man while simultaneously accurately reflecting a truth which can be better understood as our wisdom grows. The best way to meet these two needs is via parable and metaphor.

(The reasoning below represents my opinions and speculations on these issues. I make no claims beyond that)

Adam and Eve in the garden can be looked at literally as a man and a woman walking through a garden and considering the fruit of various trees.

Or Adam and Eve can be looked at as a metaphor for our biological species progenitors. All choices were potentially open to our remotest ancestors but a singular choice namely the development of an intellect capable of understanding good and evil was "forbidden" as that choice is probably incompatible with long term sustained biological existence.

Many "punishments" outlined in the Bible are not necessarily outside intervention at all but simple cause and effect the inevitable consequences we bring upon ourselves from sin.

Let's look at the "punishment" women received as a result of eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge.

Genesis 3:16
"Unto the woman He said: 'I will greatly multiply thy pain and thy travail; in pain thou shalt bring forth children"

Why is childbearing in humans so painful? A religious man would have told you 1000 years ago that it was because Eve ate from the tree of knowledge. It has taken science a very long time to catch up to this very simplified but according to our current theories essentially accurate description.

Current science theory states that the reason human birth and labor is so painful and dangerous is due to the physiological consequences of our large brains specifically some combination of the physical limitations of pelvic size when walking upright and the extreme metabolic demands a large infant brain places on a mother.

See:
Why Is Human Childbirth So Painful?
https://www.americanscientist.org/article/why-is-human-childbirth-so-painful

For the most part God doesn't punish us we punish ourselves with our choices. Sometimes these "choices" were made long before our time but the consequences nevertheless impact us.

Now unlike my prior posts which were simple logical deduction the arguments in this reply are opinion. They are one possible interpretation. I have not proven this opinion is fact and am not in a position to do so currently. I share them as a potential answer to your questions but the question is a spiritual ones and must ultimately be answered on a personal and individual level.

As for who the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve married I suspect it was other prehumans nearby. With their pairing they passed on the cultural and genetic mix that pushed us over the edge allowing them and later us to have knowledge of good and evil.

See: Speciation: The Origin of New Species
https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/speciation-the-origin-of-new-species-26230527

[af_newbie]

Why don’t you get off your high horse and tell me who did the sons of Adam and Eve marry?

I have discussed this earlier.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1373864.msg25115058#msg25115058

I don't include it in my list of arguments above, however, because I don't have enough information. The best I can offer is my opinion.

Up until now (several pages of) answers and replies to you have been simple logic and deduction essentially IF -> THEN statements. However, I am not wise enough to answer these last questions in the same definitive manner. The best I can do is share my opinions on these issues. Perhaps that will be helpful.

On the question of Adam and Eve I believe the Bible/Torah is best understood as a functional document. It's intent and purpose is to redeem and rectify humanity.

For this to occur biblical wisdom must be conveyed in a manner that is both simplified enough to be understandable by primitive man while simultaneously accurately reflecting a truth which can be better understood as our wisdom grows. The best way to meet these two needs is via parable and metaphor.

(The reasoning below represents my opinions and speculations on these issues. I make no claims beyond that)

Adam and Eve in the garden can be looked at literally as a man and a woman walking through a garden and considering the fruit of various trees.

Or Adam and Eve can be looked at as a metaphor for our biological species progenitors. All choices were potentially open to our remotest ancestors but a singular choice namely the development of an intellect capable of understanding good and evil was "forbidden" as that choice is probably incompatible with long term sustained biological existence.

Many "punishments" outlined in the Bible are not necessarily outside intervention at all but simple cause and effect the inevitable consequences we bring upon ourselves from sin.

Let's look at the "punishment" women received as a result of eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge.

Genesis 3:16
"Unto the woman He said: 'I will greatly multiply thy pain and thy travail; in pain thou shalt bring forth children"

Why is childbearing in humans so painful? A religious man would have told you 1000 years ago that it was because Eve ate from the tree of knowledge. It has taken science a very long time to catch up to this very simplified but according to our current theories essentially accurate description.

Current science theory states that the reason human birth and labor is so painful and dangerous is due to the physiological consequences of our large brains specifically some combination of the physical limitations of pelvic size when walking upright and the extreme metabolic demands a large infant brain places on a mother.

See:
Why Is Human Childbirth So Painful?
https://www.americanscientist.org/article/why-is-human-childbirth-so-painful

For the most part God doesn't punish us we punish ourselves with our choices. Sometimes these "choices" were made long before our time but the consequences nevertheless impact us.

Now unlike my prior posts which were simple logical deduction the arguments in this reply are opinion. They are one possible interpretation. I have not proven this opinion is fact and am not in a position to do so currently. I share them as a potential answer to your questions but the question is a spiritual ones and must ultimately be answered on a personal and individual level.

As for who the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve married I suspect it was other prehumans nearby. With their pairing they passed on the cultural and genetic mix that pushed us over the edge allowing them and later us to have knowledge of good and evil.

See: Speciation: The Origin of New Species
https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/speciation-the-origin-of-new-species-26230527

Where these prehumans came from?  If they were not humans, breeding with Adam’s sons would not work.lol

Didn’t your God create Adam to be the first man, wait for it, from the fucking dirt?

You are a hapless chap. You cling to your Christian cult no matter the obvious holes in its dogma.

Just admit that you will believe in your God no matter the evidence to the contrary.  Don’t pretend you are a rational person when you are clearly way in the Christian la-la land.

[Flagship11]

I dont wish to speak my honest opinion, but thanks for the great comments of conversation

[CoinCube]

Where these prehumans came from?  If they were not humans, breeding with Adam’s sons would not work.lol

Didn’t your God create Adam to be the first man, wait for it, from fucking dirt?

You are a hapless chap. You cling to your Christian cult no matter the obvious holes in its dogma.

Just admit that you will believe in your God no matter the evidence to the contrary.  Don’t pretend you are a rational person when you are clearly way in the Christian la-la land.

God created life from dirt.

Was the Bible RIGHT about the origins of life? Scientists believe that we may have had our beginnings in CLAY
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2488467/Scientists-believe-beginnings-CLAY.html

God created man from life over time. So yes God created Adam from dirt. It probably took a long time for that dirt to go through various shapes and forms until it became Adam.

You should read up on how new species are thought to form. They probably initially exists as subsets within a larger population before branching off so yes the very first of what we would call human beings would presumably have existed among a larger planet wide population of prehumans they could breed with. Read the article on speciation I linked upthread.

At some point prehumans who did not have knowledge of good and evil obtained it and became the fallen creatures we refer to today as humans. The first two prehumans to "eat from the tree of knowledge" and the beginnings of our species are referred to as Adam and Eve.

Anyways that's my opinion on the matter. Other interpretations are out there and people should think about the issue for themselves.

There cannot be evidence against God. That is impossible as I highlighted above. One can make the case that there is evidence against the Bible. Its a very weak case. The more one dives into that text the more depth and complexity one finds. Like layers of an onion,

[af_newbie]

Where these prehumans came from?  If they were not humans, breeding with Adam’s sons would not work.lol

Didn’t your God create Adam to be the first man, wait for it, from fucking dirt?

You are a hapless chap. You cling to your Christian cult no matter the obvious holes in its dogma.

Just admit that you will believe in your God no matter the evidence to the contrary.  Don’t pretend you are a rational person when you are clearly way in the Christian la-la land.

God created life from dirt.

Was the Bible RIGHT about the origins of life? Scientists believe that we may have had our beginnings in CLAY
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2488467/Scientists-believe-beginnings-CLAY.html

God created man from life over time. So yes God created Adam from dirt. It probably took a long time for that dirt to go through various shapes and forms until it became Adam.

You should read up on how new species are thought to form. They probably initially exists as subsets within a larger population before branching off so yes the very first of what we would call human beings would presumably have existed among a larger planet wide population of prehumans they could breed with. Read the article on speciation I linked upthread.

At some point prehumans who did not have knowledge of good and evil obtained it and became the fallen creatures we refer to today as humans. The first two prehumans to "eat from the tree of knowledge" and the beginnings of our species are referred to as Adam and Eve.

Anyways that's my opinion on the matter. Other interpretations are out there and people should think about the issue for themselves.

There cannot be evidence against God. That is impossible as I highlighted above. One can make the case that there is evidence against the Bible. Its a very weak case. The more one dives into that text the more depth and complexity one finds. Like layers of an onion,

And we are back to more outlandish conjectures...You are seriously deluded.

Using your logic you will always be wrong about everything in your life.  You will make shit up as you go and explain to yourself that you are correct, lol.

[CoinCube]

And we are back to more outlandish conjectures...You are seriously deluded.

Using your logic you will always be wrong about everything in your life.  You will make shit up as you go and explain to yourself that you are correct, lol.

Yes this last bit is conjecture. Can't you read.

Up until now (several pages of) answers and replies to you have been simple logic and deduction essentially IF -> THEN statements. However, I am not wise enough to answer these last questions in the same definitive manner. The best I can do is share my opinions on these issues. Perhaps that will be helpful.

On the question of Adam and Eve...

Conjecture can be useful at times. It helps us explore and tests ideas. You asked for my thoughts on the question of Adam and Eve. You are clearly riled up by them but that is nothing new.

I freely admit that I could be entirely wrong in my thoughts on Adam and Eve. My opinion on the issue is certainly not a proof of any kind. It is as you said conjecture.

I would argue, however, that this particular conjecture is in harmony with both with our scientific understanding of how mankind came to be and with the Biblical account of our creation. Thus I present it as an interesting possibility.

[af_newbie]

And we are back to more outlandish conjectures...You are seriously deluded.

Using your logic you will always be wrong about everything in your life.  You will make shit up as you go and explain to yourself that you are correct, lol.

Yes this last bit is conjecture. Can't you read.

Up until now (several pages of) answers and replies to you have been simple logic and deduction essentially IF -> THEN statements. However, I am not wise enough to answer these last questions in the same definitive manner. The best I can do is share my opinions on these issues. Perhaps that will be helpful.

On the question of Adam and Eve...

Conjecture can be useful at times. It helps us explore and tests ideas. You asked for my thoughts on the question of Adam and Eve. You are clearly riled up by them but that is nothing new.

I freely admit that I could be entirely wrong in my thoughts on Adam and Eve. My opinion on the issue is certainly not a proof of any kind. It is as you said conjecture.

I would argue, however, that this particular conjecture is in harmony with both with our scientific understanding of how mankind came to be and with the Biblical account of our creation. Thus I present it as an interesting possibility.

You have been indoctrinated into your religious cult and are unable to free yourself from it.

You desperately cling onto this Bronze Age myth despite all the evidence that it is a man-made fiction.

If you truly believe in it, you might be a borderline schizophrenic.  No amount of evidence will change your mind because you live in a carefully constructed bubble and will protect it at all costs.

Talking to you feels like talking to notbatman.  At times you seem lucid, but then you revert into this comatose pseudoscientific state and you keep babbling about nonsense, proving nonsense with other nonsense.

[Astargath]

Where these prehumans came from?  If they were not humans, breeding with Adam’s sons would not work.lol

Didn’t your God create Adam to be the first man, wait for it, from fucking dirt?

You are a hapless chap. You cling to your Christian cult no matter the obvious holes in its dogma.

Just admit that you will believe in your God no matter the evidence to the contrary.  Don’t pretend you are a rational person when you are clearly way in the Christian la-la land.

God created life from dirt.

Was the Bible RIGHT about the origins of life? Scientists believe that we may have had our beginnings in CLAY
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2488467/Scientists-believe-beginnings-CLAY.html

God created man from life over time. So yes God created Adam from dirt. It probably took a long time for that dirt to go through various shapes and forms until it became Adam.

You should read up on how new species are thought to form. They probably initially exists as subsets within a larger population before branching off so yes the very first of what we would call human beings would presumably have existed among a larger planet wide population of prehumans they could breed with. Read the article on speciation I linked upthread.

At some point prehumans who did not have knowledge of good and evil obtained it and became the fallen creatures we refer to today as humans. The first two prehumans to "eat from the tree of knowledge" and the beginnings of our species are referred to as Adam and Eve.

Anyways that's my opinion on the matter. Other interpretations are out there and people should think about the issue for themselves.

There cannot be evidence against God. That is impossible as I highlighted above. One can make the case that there is evidence against the Bible. Its a very weak case. The more one dives into that text the more depth and complexity one finds. Like layers of an onion,

Do you think god is all powerful and knows everything? Because if you do, your logic is seriously fucked, like really fucked.

[CoinCube]

Do you think god is all powerful and knows everything? Because if you do, your logic is seriously fucked, like really fucked.

Please elaborate.

[CoinCube]

You have been indoctrinated into your religious cult and are unable to free yourself from it.

You desperately cling onto this Bronze Age myth despite all the evidence that it is a man-made fiction.

If you truly believe in it, you might be a borderline schizophrenic.  No amount of evidence will change your mind because you live in a carefully constructed bubble and will protect it at all costs.

Talking to you feels like talking to notbatman.  At times you seem lucid, but then you revert into this comatose pseudoscientific state and you keep babbling about nonsense, proving nonsense with other nonsense.

Your replies are getting a bit empty lately af_newbie. Everyone is almost exactly the same.

"Christianity is a cult"
"You are (random insult) a hapless chap, a borderline schizophrenic, comatose, delusional."
"Your arguments are not rational (but I can't be bothered to actually rebut them)"

Since you appear to have no actual interest in thinking about or discussing my posts here is a list of future insults you can substitute into your template for your next several replies. I would not want you to strain yourself.

75 Funny Insults which are Incredibly Brutal!
http://pun.me/pages/funny-insults.php

1) If laughter is the best medicine, your face must be curing the world.

2) You're so ugly, you scared the crap out of the toilet.

3) Your family tree must be a cactus because everybody on it is a prick.

4) No I'm not insulting you, I'm describing you.

5) It's better to let someone think you are an Idiot than to open your mouth and prove it.

6) If I had a face like yours, I'd sue my parents.

7) Your birth certificate is an apology letter from the condom factory.

8 )I guess you prove that even god makes mistakes sometimes.

9) The only way you'll ever get laid is if you crawl up a chicken's ass and wait.

10) You're so fake, Barbie is jealous.

11) I’m jealous of people that don’t know you!

12) My psychiatrist told me I was crazy and I said I want a second opinion. He said okay, you're ugly too.

13) You're so ugly, when your mom dropped you off at school she got a fine for littering.

14) If I wanted to kill myself I'd climb your ego and jump to your IQ.

15) You must have been born on a highway because that's where most accidents happen.

16) Brains aren't everything. In your case they're nothing.

17) I don't know what makes you so stupid, but it really works.

18) I can explain it to you, but I can’t understand it for you.

 

[BADecker]

Do you think god is all powerful and knows everything? Because if you do, your logic is seriously fucked, like really fucked.

Cause and effect, by which everything operates through the laws of physics, shows that God has to have all knowledge. You don't get intelligence and universe order, like the kind people and the universe have, after thousands of years without any input guidance, from a crap shoot at the beginning.

[af_newbie]

Do you think god is all powerful and knows everything? Because if you do, your logic is seriously fucked, like really fucked.

Cause and effect, by which everything operates through the laws of physics, shows that God has to have all knowledge. You don't get intelligence and universe order, like the kind people and the universe have, after thousands of years without any input guidance, from a crap shoot at the beginning.

Let me guess, God is not part of everything and you know this because someone like CoinCube told you. Lol.

You guys are comedians. You make shit up as you go.

[CoinCube]

Let me guess, God is not part of everything and you know this because someone like CoinCube told you. Lol.

You guys are comedians. You make shit up as you go.

The reverse is true actually. I learned about most of these concepts because someone like BADecker told me. I rejected them for a very long time until I could no longer deny their inherent rationality and truth.

I don't make anything up. I make rational arguments and highlight the assumptions I make in those arguments. I may occasionally speculate but when I do I clearly identify the idea as speculation and advise the reader to think about the topic and reach their own conclusion not simply rely on my musings.

The concept of an infinite God's necessary distance to allow a finite creation to exist is actually a very deep one. However, you won't appreciate it because you don't believe in God. To be honest its not a topic I fully grasp. However for those interested in the topic here is an interesting article on it. A brief excerpt below full article at link.

Tzimtzum: A Kabbalistic Theory of Creation by Dr. Sanford Drob
http://thejewishreview.org/articles/?id=121

An article in a recent issue of U.S. News and World Report begins with what would seem at first to be a rather odd question for one of our nation's major news weeklies. How, the article asks, did the universe begin and it proceeds to provide the following by way of an answer:

"In the beginning, there was no time, no matter, not even space. Then in some unfathomable way, a universe emerged from a dimensionless point of pure energy (U.S. News and World Report, March 26, 1990)."

This, the article assures us, is as close to a description of 'the beginning' as science can currently provide, and it is to probe deeper into the questions of cosmic origins that the National Aeronautics and Space Administration plans, on April 12, 1990, to place the 1.5 billion dollar Hubble Space Telescope into earth orbit on the most sophisticated scientific satellite ever constructed.

As I pondered the news weekly's description of creation, I was struck by what appears to be at least a superficial similarity to the account of creation provided in the Kabbalah. Indeed, the description reads almost as if it were a translation from a passage in the opening pages of Chayim Vital's Sefer Etz Chayyim, the classic exposition of the Kabbalah of the Ari, Rabbi Isaac Luria. Rabbi Luria, starting from completely different assumptions and operating in a universe of discourse which is, to use an unusually precise metaphor, light years away from the Hubble telescope, arrived at the very same conclusion: that the universe emerged from a dimensionless point which gave rise to a world of matter, space, and time. Only, for the kabbalists, that dimensionless point is not so much an impenetrable beginning, but is rather the end result of a process occurring within God Himself. This process, known as tzimtzum (divine contraction or concealment) is, according to the Lurianic scheme, the very essence of creation; it is the means by which an infinite unified God "makes room," so to speak, for a finite, pluralistic world. Through an understanding of the doctrine of tzimtzum we may, without ever turning our gaze upon the astronomical heavens, gain some genuine insight into how a universe of matter, space and time could emerge from a single point in a metaphysical void.

The kabbalistic account of creation is, to the uninitiated, a very strange, difficult and perhaps even disturbing notion. However, it is a notion which gives expression to a series of paradoxical, but deeply profound ideas. Amongst them is the notion that the universe as we know it is the result of a cosmic negation. The world, according to Lurianic kabbalah, is not so much a something which has been created from nothing, but rather a genre of nothingness resulting from a contraction or concealment of the only true reality, which is God. A closely related notion is the idea that it is the very unfathomability and unknowability of God and His ways which is the sine qua non of creation itself. Creation, the doctrine of tzimtzum implies, is, in its very essence, "that which does not know."

One cannot be expected to understand or accept such notions without some significant and serious explanation. In this essay I offer a philosophical exposition, commentary, and in some respects, elaboration of the concept of tzimtzum as it appears in the kabbalistic system of Rabbi Isaac Luria (1534‑1572) and his disciples such as Rabbi Chayim Vital and later, Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Lyadi. In addition, I offer an idealist and rationalist philosophical context in which these ideas can, I believe, be best understood.