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February 21, 2018, 11:24:38 AM
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So much information and discussion is so vivid and interesting.Religion has always been a subject of controversy and controversy,and even more so than that of science.Very interesting arguments in my opinion.
I was quite surprised when I came across this topic for discussion.Religion is a really controversial especially when it is as it fits in with science, I totally agree with you.It will be interesting to read the opinions of other users
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February 21, 2018, 03:01:22 PM
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Some religious beliefs and practices have negative influences on our health.  Example is blood donation. Certain religious groups believe that it's a sin to donate, or receive blood from someone. Hence critically ill people are left to die whilst there's an alternative that could have saved their lives. 
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February 21, 2018, 03:25:36 PM
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These studies are very interesting. I think it depends a lot on emotions. In different religions a different degree of comfort. Judging by the data it is better to be a mormon

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February 21, 2018, 06:05:47 PM
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Smart people have a lesser propensity for conformism and therefore are less likely to accept religious dogmas. The cause-and-effect relationship of the intellect with conformism itself, of course, requires a separate study.

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February 21, 2018, 06:35:28 PM
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I believe that if you have the brains then you know what's above us, and if you are to smart you start to ignore it.

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February 21, 2018, 08:35:15 PM
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I'm living without religion and feel myself healthy enough. I don't believe in this supernatural stuff and God in general so just working out and it's fine.

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February 21, 2018, 08:36:49 PM
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Attending Religious Services May Increase Lifespan
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320581.php
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A recent study published in the journal PLOS One has revealed that regularly attending religious ceremonies, may lead to greater health and increased longevity in middle-aged people and seniors.

The paper's first author is Ellen L. Idler, Ph.D., a joint-appointed professor in epidemiology from the Emory Rollins School of Public Health and Samuel Candler Dobbs professor of sociology.

Death risk cut by 40 percent

Prof. Idler and her collegues focused on the data gathered between 2004 and 2014 on more than 18,000 participants. The scientists applied Cox proportional hazards models to calculate the link between religious attendance and all-cause mortality during the decade studied.

"After adjustment for confounders, attendance at religious services had a dose-response relationship with mortality, such that respondents who attended frequently [i.e., at least once a week] had a 40 percent lower hazard of mortality compared with those who never attended."

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God sacrificed himself to himself to forgive us. Another nonsense from the bible right there. It makes absolutely no sense and we are not even saved, we are still here, aren't we? Why did an omniscient and all powerful god need to sacrifice his ''son'' to forgive humanity? Why not just forgive us? What is there to forgive anyways, he already knew everything that would happen.

This is a complex question Astargath. To start with we must understand what the Bible means when it talks of sacrifice. That in itself is a very deep topic. I believe Jordan Peterson articulates it far better then I could so I have linked to his discussion of Biblical sacrifice below.


Biblical Series V: Cain and Abel: The Hostile Brothers


Once we understand the purpose and meaning of sacrifice we can move on to the second part of your question why might tremendous sacrifice from heaven be necessary to save humanity?

To try to grasp this it is helpful to try and imagine what the world would be like without Christianity.

This is very difficult to do because Christianity is the foundation western culture was built upon so you have to return back to 100 AD or so and envision an alternative future world starting with a collapsing Roman Empire.

The power of Christianity in reshaping the world cannot be understated. We see this in the transformation of Russia as it returns to its orthodox roots. We see it in the rapid transformation of China where Christianity is currently spreading like wildfire laying the foundation of a post communistic future. It is perhaps most clearly displayed on the Korean Peninsula where a people with a shared culture, race, and average IQ is split into two halves with Christianity punished with death in one and widely embraced in the other.



The argument that Christianity and the sacrifice at its heart was necessary to save mankind is not a trivial one. Given the facts on the ground it could very well be true in more ways then we know.

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February 21, 2018, 11:17:32 PM
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There are at least 2 places in the Bible (one in Isaiah) that tell us that in the next life we will never remember any of this. It will never come to mind.

So, it is not that you don't believe in God. Rather, it is that you are angry with Him for not judging things according to the way you think.

Don't throw away eternity for yourself. Having the pleasure of some deep anger against God in this life (though I don't see where there is pleasure in anger), is not worth losing your salvation for eternity.

Rather, humble yourself, and ask God to comfort you and bring peace to your mind and soul.

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''Rather, it is that you are angry with Him for not judging things according to the way you think.'' Actually as you can clearly see from my example above, I'm not angry or happy, it simply makes no sense and it's not fair.

What makes it unfair is the unfairness of mankind toward God. God gave His all in Jesus death on the cross. He did it to save mankind. But here you are, not only accepting the imperfection of being sinful in the first place, but extending your imperfection to the rejecting of the great sacrifice Jesus did to save you. You ain't fair. Certainly not to God.

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God sacrificed himself to himself to forgive us. Another nonsense from the bible right there. It makes absolutely no sense and we are not even saved, we are still here, aren't we? Why did an omniscient and all powerful god need to sacrifice his ''son'' to forgive humanity? Why not just forgive us? What is there to forgive anyways, he already knew everything that would happen.

Perfection requires justice. God couldn't just forgive without destroying His Own perfection. The sacrifice of Jesus included the punishment for mankind that would maintain the perfection of God.

The perfection of mankind needed to be maintained, because God had judged mankind so extremely good at the time of the creation, that God placed His spirit within mankind. In order to maintain the perfection of His own judgment about mankind, He needed to maintain the perfection of mankind. The perfection having been maintained in the sacrifice of Jesus, mankind is now free to be his own agent... to accept God's perfection for himself, or to reject it.

Since God is love, He truly wishes mankind to accept the perfection of Godness or God-likeness. And since God is love and just, He realizes that He must not coerce any man in the judgment that each person makes.

There is no way to adequately and properly explain the things that are involved in the salvation of man. Suffice it to say that God is holding the salvation choice open for each person as long as that person lives. And since Jesus was God as well as man, mankind is being brought into God-likeness. Maintaining health is simply man using the strength of God that God has placed in each and every one of us.

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February 22, 2018, 01:54:28 AM
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We all know that health affect when we doing our work. But for me there are 2 kind of health. First one is our health body that can be treated by medicnes or operations. The second one is our spiritual health as i mentioned even though we did not see but our spiritual health can be affect when we're not usually go to churh, pray. And bebelie in god.we easily depressed and go down by over thinking. But if you have healthy both body and spiritual you can overcome all of those things.
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February 22, 2018, 02:52:03 AM
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The ways someone thinks is because of his/her IQ. If you really think about it, science and religion are two different things. If a person starts to compare, one of the two will end up believing that the other one is not making any sense. What I am telling to my child is that there are things that even science can't explain and there are miracles that  can only happen if you are believing with God. Although there are only few, there are stories that a serious disease was gone without taking any medicine, just faith in God.

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The ways someone thinks is because of his/her IQ. If you really think about it, science and religion are two different things. If a person starts to compare, one of the two will end up believing that the other one is not making any sense. What I am telling to my child is that there are things that even science can't explain and there are miracles that  can only happen if you are believing with God. Although there are only few, there are stories that a serious disease was gone without taking any medicine, just faith in God.

That's why this is a Health and Religion thread. Religion affects health. But so does science... for a different thread that could be called Health and Science. In other words, health is part of what connects science and religion.

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February 22, 2018, 03:08:07 AM
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the creation of its socialization with the foundation of ideas even not infrequently also to each other express opinions either individually or groups in society, but the notion of not far from the religious base to maintain the atmosphere of mutual respect when expressing opinions. in the present day each individual often acts only with a selfish sense rather than the basis of ethical norms even religion.
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the creation of its socialization with the foundation of ideas even not infrequently also to each other express opinions either individually or groups in society, but the notion of not far from the religious base to maintain the atmosphere of mutual respect when expressing opinions. in the present day each individual often acts only with a selfish sense rather than the basis of ethical norms even religion.

Right! It's not healthy to beat each other up over religion. It's not healthy to have religious wars. Health and Religion.

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There are at least 2 places in the Bible (one in Isaiah) that tell us that in the next life we will never remember any of this. It will never come to mind.

So, it is not that you don't believe in God. Rather, it is that you are angry with Him for not judging things according to the way you think.

Don't throw away eternity for yourself. Having the pleasure of some deep anger against God in this life (though I don't see where there is pleasure in anger), is not worth losing your salvation for eternity.

Rather, humble yourself, and ask God to comfort you and bring peace to your mind and soul.

Cool

''Rather, it is that you are angry with Him for not judging things according to the way you think.'' Actually as you can clearly see from my example above, I'm not angry or happy, it simply makes no sense and it's not fair.

What makes it unfair is the unfairness of mankind toward God. God gave His all in Jesus death on the cross. He did it to save mankind. But here you are, not only accepting the imperfection of being sinful in the first place, but extending your imperfection to the rejecting of the great sacrifice Jesus did to save you. You ain't fair. Certainly not to God.

Cool

God sacrificed himself to himself to forgive us. Another nonsense from the bible right there. It makes absolutely no sense and we are not even saved, we are still here, aren't we? Why did an omniscient and all powerful god need to sacrifice his ''son'' to forgive humanity? Why not just forgive us? What is there to forgive anyways, he already knew everything that would happen.

Perfection requires justice. God couldn't just forgive without destroying His Own perfection. The sacrifice of Jesus included the punishment for mankind that would maintain the perfection of God.

The perfection of mankind needed to be maintained, because God had judged mankind so extremely good at the time of the creation, that God placed His spirit within mankind. In order to maintain the perfection of His own judgment about mankind, He needed to maintain the perfection of mankind. The perfection having been maintained in the sacrifice of Jesus, mankind is now free to be his own agent... to accept God's perfection for himself, or to reject it.

Since God is love, He truly wishes mankind to accept the perfection of Godness or God-likeness. And since God is love and just, He realizes that He must not coerce any man in the judgment that each person makes.

There is no way to adequately and properly explain the things that are involved in the salvation of man. Suffice it to say that God is holding the salvation choice open for each person as long as that person lives. And since Jesus was God as well as man, mankind is being brought into God-likeness. Maintaining health is simply man using the strength of God that God has placed in each and every one of us.

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What the fuck? Imagine I'm God and I know everything that's going to happen. It makes no sense for me to get mad at people I created for things they are going to do if I knew about it beforehand. There is no need to forgive anyone because I already know what's going to happen. If I didn't want that to happen then I wouldn't have created it, no?

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February 22, 2018, 10:33:40 AM
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There are at least 2 places in the Bible (one in Isaiah) that tell us that in the next life we will never remember any of this. It will never come to mind.

So, it is not that you don't believe in God. Rather, it is that you are angry with Him for not judging things according to the way you think.

Don't throw away eternity for yourself. Having the pleasure of some deep anger against God in this life (though I don't see where there is pleasure in anger), is not worth losing your salvation for eternity.

Rather, humble yourself, and ask God to comfort you and bring peace to your mind and soul.

Cool

''Rather, it is that you are angry with Him for not judging things according to the way you think.'' Actually as you can clearly see from my example above, I'm not angry or happy, it simply makes no sense and it's not fair.

What makes it unfair is the unfairness of mankind toward God. God gave His all in Jesus death on the cross. He did it to save mankind. But here you are, not only accepting the imperfection of being sinful in the first place, but extending your imperfection to the rejecting of the great sacrifice Jesus did to save you. You ain't fair. Certainly not to God.

Cool

God sacrificed himself to himself to forgive us. Another nonsense from the bible right there. It makes absolutely no sense and we are not even saved, we are still here, aren't we? Why did an omniscient and all powerful god need to sacrifice his ''son'' to forgive humanity? Why not just forgive us? What is there to forgive anyways, he already knew everything that would happen.

Perfection requires justice. God couldn't just forgive without destroying His Own perfection. The sacrifice of Jesus included the punishment for mankind that would maintain the perfection of God.

The perfection of mankind needed to be maintained, because God had judged mankind so extremely good at the time of the creation, that God placed His spirit within mankind. In order to maintain the perfection of His own judgment about mankind, He needed to maintain the perfection of mankind. The perfection having been maintained in the sacrifice of Jesus, mankind is now free to be his own agent... to accept God's perfection for himself, or to reject it.

Since God is love, He truly wishes mankind to accept the perfection of Godness or God-likeness. And since God is love and just, He realizes that He must not coerce any man in the judgment that each person makes.

There is no way to adequately and properly explain the things that are involved in the salvation of man. Suffice it to say that God is holding the salvation choice open for each person as long as that person lives. And since Jesus was God as well as man, mankind is being brought into God-likeness. Maintaining health is simply man using the strength of God that God has placed in each and every one of us.

Cool

What the fuck? Imagine I'm God and I know everything that's going to happen. It makes no sense for me to get mad at people I created for things they are going to do if I knew about it beforehand. There is no need to forgive anyone because I already know what's going to happen. If I didn't want that to happen then I wouldn't have created it, no?

What you say is a major example of one of the major points. Nobody can imagine how God thinks.

Since you don't know everything that's going to happen like God does, and since you don't know how things all work together, why would you even think your logic about creating or not creating is valid?

Since you know that your logic is not strong enough to be valid, you are simply hoping it might be valid, and you have faith that it is valid. This is exactly what religious people do in their religions.

Keep on worshiping yourself in your religious logic if you want. But when the chips are so far down that you can't find a way out, remember God. He will accept you if you come to Him sincerely. Do it now, unless you have locked yourself so deeply into God unbelief that you have no chance of turning to Him.

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February 25, 2018, 12:28:50 AM
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There are at least 2 places in the Bible (one in Isaiah) that tell us that in the next life we will never remember any of this. It will never come to mind.

So, it is not that you don't believe in God. Rather, it is that you are angry with Him for not judging things according to the way you think.

Don't throw away eternity for yourself. Having the pleasure of some deep anger against God in this life (though I don't see where there is pleasure in anger), is not worth losing your salvation for eternity.

Rather, humble yourself, and ask God to comfort you and bring peace to your mind and soul.

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''Rather, it is that you are angry with Him for not judging things according to the way you think.'' Actually as you can clearly see from my example above, I'm not angry or happy, it simply makes no sense and it's not fair.

What makes it unfair is the unfairness of mankind toward God. God gave His all in Jesus death on the cross. He did it to save mankind. But here you are, not only accepting the imperfection of being sinful in the first place, but extending your imperfection to the rejecting of the great sacrifice Jesus did to save you. You ain't fair. Certainly not to God.

Cool

God sacrificed himself to himself to forgive us. Another nonsense from the bible right there. It makes absolutely no sense and we are not even saved, we are still here, aren't we? Why did an omniscient and all powerful god need to sacrifice his ''son'' to forgive humanity? Why not just forgive us? What is there to forgive anyways, he already knew everything that would happen.

Perfection requires justice. God couldn't just forgive without destroying His Own perfection. The sacrifice of Jesus included the punishment for mankind that would maintain the perfection of God.

The perfection of mankind needed to be maintained, because God had judged mankind so extremely good at the time of the creation, that God placed His spirit within mankind. In order to maintain the perfection of His own judgment about mankind, He needed to maintain the perfection of mankind. The perfection having been maintained in the sacrifice of Jesus, mankind is now free to be his own agent... to accept God's perfection for himself, or to reject it.

Since God is love, He truly wishes mankind to accept the perfection of Godness or God-likeness. And since God is love and just, He realizes that He must not coerce any man in the judgment that each person makes.

There is no way to adequately and properly explain the things that are involved in the salvation of man. Suffice it to say that God is holding the salvation choice open for each person as long as that person lives. And since Jesus was God as well as man, mankind is being brought into God-likeness. Maintaining health is simply man using the strength of God that God has placed in each and every one of us.

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What the fuck? Imagine I'm God and I know everything that's going to happen. It makes no sense for me to get mad at people I created for things they are going to do if I knew about it beforehand. There is no need to forgive anyone because I already know what's going to happen. If I didn't want that to happen then I wouldn't have created it, no?

What you say is a major example of one of the major points. Nobody can imagine how God thinks.

Since you don't know everything that's going to happen like God does, and since you don't know how things all work together, why would you even think your logic about creating or not creating is valid?

Since you know that your logic is not strong enough to be valid, you are simply hoping it might be valid, and you have faith that it is valid. This is exactly what religious people do in their religions.

Keep on worshiping yourself in your religious logic if you want. But when the chips are so far down that you can't find a way out, remember God. He will accept you if you come to Him sincerely. Do it now, unless you have locked yourself so deeply into God unbelief that you have no chance of turning to Him.

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So am I supposed to just believe in something that I will never understand? Even if I knew god existed how would I ever know that what he is doing is the right thing? Why would anyone worship god if we can't even understand if he is good or not? Sure the bible says he is but how would we ever know?

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February 25, 2018, 03:06:01 AM
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Are you seriously discussing this?What is just utter nonsense.Religion for me very distant field of course but I never thought she can have any relationship with the level of human intelligence

That's an interesting religion you have there.    Cool

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February 25, 2018, 03:07:30 AM
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Some religious beliefs and practices have negative influences on our health.  Example is blood donation. Certain religious groups believe that it's a sin to donate, or receive blood from someone. Hence critically ill people are left to die whilst there's an alternative that could have saved their lives. 

Would have died by 100 or so, anyway.    Cool

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February 25, 2018, 03:09:55 AM
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I'm living without religion and feel myself healthy enough. I don't believe in this supernatural stuff and God in general so just working out and it's fine.

You have a healthy religion for this life, but what about the afterlife?

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