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[Cnut237]

Regarding the Bottas crash, does anyone think he brought it on himself a bit?

When I look at it, he definitely backed off going into the corner, under pressure from Verstappen and Hamilton. Three of them together, and one blinked. I think if it had been either Verstappen or Hamilton in Bottas's position, they wouldn't have given ground so easily, and so wouldn't have brought themselves close enough to Ricciardo for the crash to happen.

We've had Verstappen/Hamilton crashes that have been caused by drivers being overly aggressive. But I think this weekend it was example of the other side... a crash caused by a driver being too passive.

[Koal-84]

A great start from Verstappen, luck for Verstappen was certainly that Bottas gave him enough space to pass. Otherwise a perfect race from Verstappen, this race was certainly frustrating for Hamilton. Verstappen has extended his lead and RedBull has also come closer to Mercedes in the constructors classification, which will also be a very close decision.

[Jackl87]

Regarding the Bottas crash, does anyone think he brought it on himself a bit?

When I look at it, he definitely backed off going into the corner, under pressure from Verstappen and Hamilton. Three of them together, and one blinked. I think if it had been either Verstappen or Hamilton in Bottas's position, they wouldn't have given ground so easily, and so wouldn't have brought themselves close enough to Ricciardo for the crash to happen.

We've had Verstappen/Hamilton crashes that have been caused by drivers being overly aggressive. But I think this weekend it was example of the other side... a crash caused by a driver being too passive.

Well i would say in one way he definitely brought himself into that position himself because he just did not have a great start as he had just a slower reaction time compared to both hamilton and verstappen, but i am even not sure if it would have made that big of a difference if he reacted quicker because it is more than 1 km to the first turn so that everyone behind could probably still overtake him because of the slip-stream.
Regarding the spin itself i would say that was definitely not Bottas fault. Yes he backed down a little bit but he probably did that because he did not want to have a crash with Verstappen and Hamilton. Just imagine the reation of the media if he would have crashed into Verstappen in the first turn.

[tokeweed]

Regarding the Bottas crash, does anyone think he brought it on himself a bit?

Not really.  I mean sure he pressed on the break a tad early but the guy behind him had more of a responsibility to avoid crashing to Bottas since Bottas couldn’t see what’s behind him.

Anyway it looks like Perez could save RBR and have them win the constructor’s championship too.

[Spack17]

The Mexico GP was boring unfortunately. I didn't expect a this much boring race honestly. The only delightful part was the start of the race undoubtedly. Because just as I guessed, there was a huge competition between the first three drivers on the grid. And I really appreciated Verstappen's big start and having a clean race. It was also nice to see Perez being on the podium by ending at the third position. After this race, the gap between Verstappen and Hamilton has gone up to 19 points which is really critical considering there are only four races left.

[waelov]

One point difference, prefer Mercedes over Red Bull.
A faster lap point has become very important and may be decisive.
We saw how Mercedes introduced Valtteri to change his tires twice, more than their strategy to snatch a point from Max and Red Bull, which is what
Help them maintain the lead of the manufacturers' championship

[coinlocket$]

One point difference, prefer Mercedes over Red Bull.
A faster lap point has become very important and may be decisive.
We saw how Mercedes introduced Valtteri to change his tires twice, more than their strategy to snatch a point from Max and Red Bull, which is what
Help them maintain the lead of the manufacturers' championship

Yep, they did.
And Verstappen tried to sabotage Bottas too slowing down.

This was very unsportsmanlike behavior by him.

[sana54210]

Regarding the Bottas crash, does anyone think he brought it on himself a bit?

When I look at it, he definitely backed off going into the corner, under pressure from Verstappen and Hamilton. Three of them together, and one blinked. I think if it had been either Verstappen or Hamilton in Bottas's position, they wouldn't have given ground so easily, and so wouldn't have brought themselves close enough to Ricciardo for the crash to happen.

We've had Verstappen/Hamilton crashes that have been caused by drivers being overly aggressive. But I think this weekend it was example of the other side... a crash caused by a driver being too passive.

I wouldn't say he brought it himself, but I wouldn't say Ricciardo was at fault there neither. Bottas had a much tigther cut there, with Max on his left and Hamilton on his front because Hamilton actually took the lead for a second there, or at least was in front of Bottas if you check. So, what did Bottas had to do? Do a sharp cut so that he would close anyone coming in and be at the third place, if not hit from the behind there, dude would have been at least third or fourth.

However, when you do a sharp cut like that, which requires you to break a lot earlier, that leaves the door open for other cars coming from behind, he took a sharp turn while Ricciardo was there and he basically touched Ricciardos wings himself. This wasn't "his fault" because that was literally what he had to do, if he was just one meter ahead or if Ricciardo was 1 meter behind, that was a great move, and the move he had to do. Just unlucky positioning a that moment, that’s all.

[Davian144]

The race for the World title for MotoGP is over as well as Moto3 and the factory constructors, so all that's left now is the race for the world title for the Moto2 class where the candidates are both riders from the KTM team so it will be very interesting to look forward to the last race of the year in Valencia

[Juggy777]

Regarding the Bottas crash, does anyone think he brought it on himself a bit?

When I look at it, he definitely backed off going into the corner, under pressure from Verstappen and Hamilton. Three of them together, and one blinked. I think if it had been either Verstappen or Hamilton in Bottas's position, they wouldn't have given ground so easily, and so wouldn't have brought themselves close enough to Ricciardo for the crash to happen.

We've had Verstappen/Hamilton crashes that have been caused by drivers being overly aggressive. But I think this weekend it was example of the other side... a crash caused by a driver being too passive.

I wouldn't say he brought it himself, but I wouldn't say Ricciardo was at fault there neither. Bottas had a much tigther cut there, with Max on his left and Hamilton on his front because Hamilton actually took the lead for a second there, or at least was in front of Bottas if you check. So, what did Bottas had to do? Do a sharp cut so that he would close anyone coming in and be at the third place, if not hit from the behind there, dude would have been at least third or fourth.

However, when you do a sharp cut like that, which requires you to break a lot earlier, that leaves the door open for other cars coming from behind, he took a sharp turn while Ricciardo was there and he basically touched Ricciardos wings himself. This wasn't "his fault" because that was literally what he had to do, if he was just one meter ahead or if Ricciardo was 1 meter behind, that was a great move, and the move he had to do. Just unlucky positioning a that moment, that’s all.

I too agree that he did not bought it on himself, and as you’ll know that timing is very crucial when drivers need to take such turns and in his case it was just a matter of seconds which resulted in the crash, and hence one can’t blame him for being passive.

Also each crash is a lesson for the drivers to learn, and I’m sure that Bottas may have gained experience to avoid such crashes for future races.

[AakZaki]

The race for the World title for MotoGP is over as well as Moto3 and the factory constructors, so all that's left now is the race for the world title for the Moto2 class where the candidates are both riders from the KTM team so it will be very interesting to look forward to the last race of the year in Valencia

If I look at the moto2 class it looks like only 2 people have a chance to win Moto 2. There is Remy Gardner with 305 points, while in 2nd place there is Raul Fernandez with 282 points. You're right they are one team from Red Bull KTM AJO. As for the 3rd position there is Marco Bezzecchi with a fairly far margin because it only has 214 points. Wondering if they're going to take it seriously? Because they're one team.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/

[jaberwock]

It was a boring race for sure, and there wasn't much aside from Bottas trying to overtake Ricciardo and failing + Perez trying to overtake Hamillton on the last 10 laps and failing. Those were the only things that matter and both failed as well so there wasn't much to watch. However it is a long season and each race plays a role honestly, even if you are getting bored from the race like some Austria 2021 type of situation where it is clear from the start that who will win is right there, it is still a good thing to watch because it fills a hole in the whole season.

If you do not watch even one race, then you are going to end up with not knowing what happened in one of the races and you can't see the full picture. Bottas did had a very weird race, from being at pole to crashing to failing to take over a McLaren to trying to take fastest lap with 2 different sets, all of them were very weird but I guess it made it a bit more entertaining for him since he had a goal at least.

[coinlocket$]

According to rumors next week Alfa Romeo will say publicly the new driver of the car over Giovinazzi.

It's a shame IMHO, he is doing a good season and for sure he should deserve another year.

Do they really think Bottas will do better?

[diderdrogba]

It is good to have races three weeks in a row. We had the Mexico GP last weekend and we have the Brazil GP this weekend. And there is going to be another race next week too which is the Qatar GP. This is wonderful for us, the F1 lovers.    But it may not be very good mentally for the two drivers in the title race these days. Max Verstappen has opened the gap more now and it is 19 points. They both need to focus on every race remaining. We'll see if Hamilton will end in front of Verstappen this time. If he doesn't, his chance of winning the title will lessen and the chance of seeing a new champion will increase more.

[AndySt]

It was a boring race for sure, and there wasn't much aside from Bottas trying to overtake Ricciardo and failing + Perez trying to overtake Hamillton on the last 10 laps and failing. Those were the only things that matter and both failed as well so there wasn't much to watch. However it is a long season and each race plays a role honestly, even if you are getting bored from the race like some Austria 2021 type of situation where it is clear from the start that who will win is right there, it is still a good thing to watch because it fills a hole in the whole season.
If you do not watch even one race, then you are going to end up with not knowing what happened in one of the races and you can't see the full picture. Bottas did had a very weird race, from being at pole to crashing to failing to take over a McLaren to trying to take fastest lap with 2 different sets, all of them were very weird but I guess it made it a bit more entertaining for him since he had a goal at least.

Well, it was relatively fun in the beginning Indeed, the fundamental events for the race took place at the very start, when Bottas could not hold the lead and Verstappen still overtook Hamilton and broke into first place. Further, the main intrigue was only whether Perez would be able to get ahead of Hamilton at the end of the race, because Hamilton himself, judging by the condition of the car, could not impose a fight on Verstappen for first place. Team tactics also played a positive role here, when Mercedes sent Hamilton to change tires before the Red Bull drivers, which eventually allowed Perez to be left behind.

[LTU_btc]

According to rumors next week Alfa Romeo will say publicly the new driver of the car over Giovinazzi.

It's a shame IMHO, he is doing a good season and for sure he should deserve another year.

Do they really think Bottas will do better?

Don't agree about it. How you can say that Giovinazzi have good season when he have just 1 point, while Kimi already got 10. I'm sure that Bottas will perform better. Giovinazzi in all these years in F1 haven't done anything special, he was simply not great, not terrible.
If they will sign Zhou from F2, it's difficult to expect that he will have better results, but he will bring good money for Alfa Romeo.

[Davian144]

If I look at the moto2 class it looks like only 2 people have a chance to win Moto 2. There is Remy Gardner with 305 points, while in 2nd place there is Raul Fernandez with 282 points. You're right they are one team from Red Bull KTM AJO. As for the 3rd position there is Marco Bezzecchi with a fairly far margin because it only has 214 points. Wondering if they're going to take it seriously? Because they're one team.

Source: https://www.motogp.com/

Although a team whose name is a race is something that must be taken seriously because if it is drawn basically all the riders are friends outside the track, except for those who have personal problems, but they will all be hostile to each other when they are on the track because it is to prove themselves to be better.
I've been watching MotoGP for a very long time, bro, right in 2000 when Valentino Rossi had just upgraded from 250cc Gp to 500cc 2-stroke MotoGP.

[waelov]

According to rumors next week Alfa Romeo will say publicly the new driver of the car over Giovinazzi.

It's a shame IMHO, he is doing a good season and for sure he should deserve another year.

Do they really think Bottas will do better?

Giovinazzi have been performing well in Qualifications especially he most of the times qualifies better tge his teammate Raikonen but when Kimi finish above Gio he gets points which is going to overshadow the performance of Giovinazzi because it's it dose not matter where are you going to start the most important is where are going to finish.
It's still few races left and nothing is official but its still not looking good for his future for next season.

Brazil Gp starts tomorrow with 1 sessions free practice followed by Qualification sessions afterwards preparation for the Sprint Race the day after tomorrow and there is rumours that Hamilton could be facing  a grid penalty fir the Brazilian GP for changing parts in Power Unit this could affect his ability to catch up with Verstappen once more.

[coinlocket$]

Don't agree about it. How you can say that Giovinazzi have good season when he have just 1 point, while Kimi already got 10. I'm sure that Bottas will perform better. Giovinazzi in all these years in F1 haven't done anything special, he was simply not great, not terrible.
If they will sign Zhou from F2, it's difficult to expect that he will have better results, but he will bring good money for Alfa Romeo.

Have you seen what Alfa Romeo is doing with him?

He already accused them of sabotage, they made him lose so many points and the radio communication from last week was humiliating for a driver.

[LTU_btc]

Have you seen what Alfa Romeo is doing with him?

He already accused them of sabotage, they made him lose so many points and the radio communication from last week was humiliating for a driver.

No, I haven't saw it. Probably you as Italian know these things better. Yeah, his team probably screwed up him race in Mexico, but how exactly they made him to lose points in other occasions and what's the point of it for them?