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[MatTheCat]

Most recent Huobi trade is starting to piss me off.

Am going to exit it on the target of this small long scalp trade:

[zimmah]

I think that after chinese pushed the market last week, it's not the turn of western exchange, probably for the "same" reason (not a devaluation though, but weaknesse of the $)

Let me see if I get this: Chinese purportedly bought BTC due to yuan getting devalued rel. USD ($ too damn strong!)
now the westerners are gonna buy BTC because $ too damn weak?
You must'a been to some expensive universities....

CNY is being devalued on purpose, the Chinese government wants the yuan to be weak because it makes exports more attractive (china relies heavily on exports to make money). Good sold in CNY to countries who use stronger currencies will be cheaper, and therefore more people will import Chinese products, instead of products from for example eastern Europe.

Of course, rich Chinese aren't happy with a weakening CNY because their money will evaporate. They want to spend more (especially if they want to import luxurious goods, which will become more expensive as yuan devalues).

The dollar can still be weak compared to other currencies though, such as euro and swiss frank.

If you're going to ridicule someone for being stupid, at least make sure you know what you're talking about.

[zimmah]

I think that after chinese pushed the market last week, it's not the turn of western exchange, probably for the "same" reason (not a devaluation though, but weaknesse of the $)

Let me see if I get this: Chinese purportedly bought BTC due to yuan getting devalued rel. USD ($ too damn strong!)
now the westerners are gonna buy BTC because $ too damn weak?
You must'a been to some expensive universities....

Lazy to make you a chart, USD short term downtrend against some of its friends:

https://www.dailyfx.com/forex/technical/home/analysis/aud-usd/2016/05/31/dailyclassics_aud-usd.html
https://www.dailyfx.com/forex/technical/home/analysis/eur-usd/2016/05/30/dailyclassics_eur-usd.html
https://www.dailyfx.com/forex/technical/home/analysis/nzd-usd/2016/05/30/dailyclassics_nzd-usd.html

Not too lazy to grab a screencap. BTC short term downtrend against some of its friends:

From the ETH website:

Ethereum would never be possible without bitcoin—both the technology and the currency—and we see ourselves not as a competing currency but as complementary within the digital ecosystem. Ether is to be treated as "crypto-fuel", a token whose purpose is to pay for computation, and is not intended to be used as or considered a currency, asset, share or anything else.

Can you guys stop it with all the ETH propaganda already?

[pariahbit]

I think that after chinese pushed the market last week, it's not the turn of western exchange, probably for the "same" reason (not a devaluation though, but weaknesse of the $)

Let me see if I get this: Chinese purportedly bought BTC due to yuan getting devalued rel. USD ($ too damn strong!)
now the westerners are gonna buy BTC because $ too damn weak?
You must'a been to some expensive universities....

CNY is being devalued on purpose, the Chinese government wants the yuan to be weak because it makes exports more attractive (china relies heavily on exports to make money). Good sold in CNY to countries who use stronger currencies will be cheaper, and therefore more people will import Chinese products, instead of products from for example eastern Europe.

Of course, rich Chinese aren't happy with a weakening CNY because their money will evaporate. They want to spend more (especially if they want to import luxurious goods, which will become more expensive as yuan devalues).

That's why some might cash out into USD. Either directly, or via BTC. Zero reason to be stuck in BTC.
That said, "rich people" don't store their wealth in fiat money. Because it's stupid, that's not what money's for. Rich people who think that keeping their money in a mattress is smart become poor people, with or without 0.5% yuan depreciation.

The dollar can still be weak compared to other currencies though, such as euro and swiss frank.

Devaluation of yuan rel. USD & USD becoming weak rel. yuan are mutually exclusive.
Try logic.

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From the ETH website:

Ethereum would never be possible without bitcoin—both the technology and the currency—and we see ourselves not as a competing currency but as complementary within the digital ecosystem. Ether is to be treated as "crypto-fuel", a token whose purpose is to pay for computation, and is not intended to be used as or considered a currency, asset, share or anything else.

Can you guys stop it with all the ETH propaganda already?

Of course ETH would never be possible without Bitcoin, just like a Ferrari would not be possible without Grog inventing the wheel. Thanks, Gorg.

[r0ach]

$535 floor too strong.  It's going to jump back into this channel again:

[pariahbit]

^
*$534

[r0ach]

CNY is being devalued on purpose

The world economy will collapse without world-wide, extreme, coordinated devaluation of fiat toiletry.  If every country doesn't do enormous fiat devaluation, everything goes down in a black swan event and Bitcoin and gold goes to the moon.  If they do the devaluations, Bitcoin and gold still go to the moon from the fiat values tanking.

[StraightAArdvark]

CNY is being devalued on purpose

The world economy will collapse without world-wide, extreme, coordinated devaluation of fiat toiletry.  If every country doesn't do enormous fiat devaluation, everything goes down in a black swan event and Bitcoin and gold goes to the moon toilet.  If they do the devaluations, Bitcoin and gold still go to the moon from the fiat values tanking.

Fiat is antifragile, ignorant insect. It needs nothing but air to be plentiful and multiply. Sorta like c0ck r0aches

[MatTheCat]

$535 floor too strong.  It's going to jump back into this channel again:

The Bitcoin Cowboys are just fucking with the market r0ach, wiping out the longs, then going after the shorts, but in the end, this thing has to go down a peg or two. I liked a tag of the 38.2% at least on Huobi, we might still see it, but it is still a bit of a counter trend trade to be taking and I was certainly feeling the weight of the market sitting in that long, from which I bailed in the end with only 25% of my target.

[r0ach]

The Bitcoin Cowboys are just fucking with the market r0ach, wiping out the longs, then going after the shorts, but in the end, this thing has to go down a peg or two.

This is why you suck at trading, you spend all your time FANTASIZING about where you *want* to buy at instead of figuring out where the market is actually going to go.  There's now been full consolidation in both China and the west post-rise in a sideways channel.  China is moving at that 3600 yuan average, then it will eventually converge and pop up.

[MatTheCat]

This is why you suck at trading, you spend all your time FANTASIZING about where you *want* to buy at instead of figuring out where the market is actually going to go.  There's now been full consolidation in both China and the west post-rise in a sideways channel.  China is moving at that 3600 yuan average, then it will eventually converge and pop up.

Don't lecture me on trading. You are using charts from bitcoinwisdom.


I kind of liked the trade up to around the 3700 CNY mark, to fill int he notch shown up there, and Bitcoin still might get there, but it would be a counter trend trade. There is so much space below, that it isn't funny. Bitcoin will have to do a lot of consolidating somewhere to convince the market that a new 'fair value' range has been established, before 'they' can pump her up further still.

[r0ach]

Don't lecture me on trading. You are using charts from bitcoinwisdom.

Because the chart is cleaner and I don't need any useless indicators on trading view that don't even work that you're using.  For instance, if you were a good trader, you would have realized the China have been following MACD crossover religiously, while all of your more exotic indicators are completely useless.  Fib levels have also been 100% useless on this, but the single entity that controls Ethereum follows fib levels almost always.  If the market maker doesn't subscribe to your voodoo, your voodoo doesn't work.

However, they will follow many bear/bull macd in a row, then their play is to pull a counter trend on a bear macd and force everyone to buy back in at a huge loss on a full screen green candle.  This is why TA is mostly useless in non-aggregate markets.  You will scalp some small percent here and there, then lose it all and then some on the counter play.

[sandiman]

That's why some might cash out into USD. Either directly, or via BTC. Zero reason to be stuck in BTC.
That said, "rich people" don't store their wealth in fiat money. Because it's stupid, that's not what money's for. Rich people who think that keeping their money in a mattress is smart become poor people, with or without 0.5% yuan depreciation.

Sometimes keeping your usd in a mattress is a wiser choice that risking it in some risky investment. If your goal is to store your money and not increase your saving, just use fucking saving account, which are like mattress.

Devaluation of yuan rel. USD & USD becoming weak rel. yuan are mutually exclusive.
Try logic.

Idk if you are not understanding his words on purpose, but is is written USD rel. Eur or franc swiss. American would be in a much better situation with a weak dollars vs euros regarding the huge amount of stuff that they export there...

[MatTheCat]

Because the chart is cleaner and I don't need any useless indicators on trading view that don't even work that you're using.  For instance, if you were a good trader, you would have realized the China have been following MACD crossover religiously, while all of your more exotic indicators are completely useless.  Fib levels have also been 100% useless on this, but the single entity that controls Ethereum follows fib levels almost always.  If the market maker doesn't subscribe to your voodoo, your voodoo doesn't work.

LOL!

[pariahbit]

That's why some might cash out into USD. Either directly, or via BTC. Zero reason to be stuck in BTC.
That said, "rich people" don't store their wealth in fiat money. Because it's stupid, that's not what money's for. Rich people who think that keeping their money in a mattress is smart become poor people, with or without 0.5% yuan depreciation.

Sometimes keeping your usd in a mattress is a wiser choice that risking it in some risky investment. If your goal is to store your money and not increase your saving, just use fucking saving account, which are like mattress.

My savings checking account pays me interest, not much, but better than my mattress. Bonus: If my bank catches on fire or gets burglarized, my money is insured by FDIC. FDIC doesn't extend the same courtesy to my mattress.

That, of course, isn't the point. The only money that's kept in my bank account is money that I plan to spend in the immediate future. The bulk of my wealth (lol) is invested in stuff -- house, investments, cars, toys, etc.

But we're not talking about stiffs like me either -- we're talking about "rich people," who can afford to manage their risks. If even index funds overstep their risk tolerance, bitcoin is the last fricking thing they'll toy with.

Devaluation of yuan rel. USD & USD becoming weak rel. yuan are mutually exclusive.
Try logic.

Idk if you are not understanding his words on purpose, but is is written USD rel. Eur or franc swiss. American would be in a much better situation with a weak dollars vs euros regarding the huge amount of stuff that they export there...

1. American being/not being "in a much better situation with a weak dollars vs euros regarding the huge amount of stuff that they export [to Europe]" is neither here nor there, we are talking about the 0.5% (zero point five percent, half a percent) devaluation of RMB vs. USD triggering capital flight. Are you suggesting that USD buying power has dropped as a result of RMB devaluation?
2. By devaluing the dollar, America would be "in a better position" re. exports, but only if "better" is  enumerated in (now devalued) dollars.

[MatTheCat]

Finex version of the same thing:

[r0ach]

Mat, I think all your trades fail because your charts are so cluttered with shit you can't even see the candles.  That and the fact you've posted 10 charts in a row claiming Bitcoin is going to crash to $1 and all it does is go up.

[damnek]

I would start trading a larger range, and I personally use an inverted profit/loss ratio. In my mind right now, in the face of the reward halving, it is very unlikely that we'll go under 450. However, it is much more likely that we'll hit 600 instead. Don't tap out when things look bad. Once you pick the trade, sit in it and don't give up. Also, I never trade with stops or leverage. Hope this will help

[r0ach]

I would start trading a larger range, and I personally use an inverted profit/loss ratio. In my mind right now, in the face of the reward halving, it is very unlikely that we'll go under 450. However, it is much more likely that we'll hit 600 instead. Don't tap out when things look bad. Once you pick the trade, sit in it and don't give up. Also, I never trade with stops or leverage. Hope this will help

Mat doesn't actually do TA, like I said, he only holds Bitcoin for 1 hour at a time; as soon as he's in $1 profit, he closes the trade then fantasizes about how he'd like to buy back at $8 a coin.  He makes no attempt to predict what the market will actually do, only tries to fabricate data to try and fit a buy in price he wants.  This is why his charts are wrong 90+% of the time. 

[MatTheCat]

Urghhhhh.....what a fucking penis!

Even when I am right.....




I shall conspire to get it wrong:





Perhaps the key to success in trading Bitcoin, isn't to do the opposite if what I actually think, but the opposite of what I actually do? And for that, I need to be someonebody else.