How will this change the world of mining?? GTX 1080 / 1070

[giagge]

I have order gtx 1070 , i hope to have Monday .

The best program and coin to mine with this ? .

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[onemd]

 Stock clocks, or overclocked?

 Efficiency on the Fury/Nano is very good from everything I've seen, but still not impressive that a card with a ton more memory bandwidth and almost twice the Stream units is so poor on hashrate compared to a 2 generation old card.

 Is that 32Mh at stock clocks, or overclocked?

Stock (30mh for me)

     Which model is at question and how many hashes overclocking?

For the R9 nano, there is no difference between the model/brands, they are all stock, only difference is the brand name.

[jimlite]

1070 mh/s with ethereum ? , work on windows 10 x64 ? .

Read up - 27mhs at 100w
Win 10 will be available with July update or Insider preview build next week...

that hash is only where, on linux? what about win 7?

Linux and Win 10
Dont know about win 7 - maybe they release the driver for that..

Very good! only 100w!!! Thanks!

And Gtx 1080 ? .

The GTX 1080 is slower than the 1070 in mining the Ethereum. There is no point in getting that for mining.

You are confused. There is no way the 1080 can be slower than the 1070. It is impossible, 1080 has more cores, faster memory, and wider memory bus. Don't be an idiot. If someone tested a 1080 as slower than a 1070, then there are software issues.

Do you mine? Have you used 1080 or 1070 to mine? If you have mined with those cards, you would not say that.

I don't need to mine with them to say that. The 1070 is just a 1080 with some of the cores disabled and slower memory and memory bus. There is no freaking way  a 1070 mines faster than a 1080, period. Unless their is some massive overclock on the 1070 and the correct software/drivers and the 1080 has shit software and drivers. Wake up dude, just cuz someone posts something doesn't mean it is true. There are a lot of variables in every mining rig but the bottom line is if you put a 1080 in the same exact rig it is going to mine faster than a 1070.

That is a nice position - but youll have to wait 1 week tops when some else will post the 1070 results
The reason 1080 is slower in eth right now (it might change in future, hopefully) is the gddr5x memory config - its different to gddr5 and in this case its slower than 1070 its also slower in neoscrypt - all the other compute algos are faster of course

That's the first logical response I have seen. Now my guess is that like going from DDR3 to DDR4, the latency goes up, and if bandwidth can't overcome that, well that is why good DDR3 2133 is faster than normal DDR4 2133. So my guess is that gddr5x runs faster but has higher latency than gddr5, but then it wouldn't make sense for Nvidia to do that as latency is very important as well as bandwidth. My guess is that windows or drivers are crippling the 1080 right now, that should change.

[restless]

That's the first logical response I have seen. Now my guess is that like going from DDR3 to DDR4, the latency goes up, and if bandwidth can't overcome that, well that is why good DDR3 2133 is faster than normal DDR4 2133. So my guess is that gddr5x runs faster but has higher latency than gddr5, but then it wouldn't make sense for Nvidia to do that as latency is very important as well as bandwidth. My guess is that windows or drivers are crippling the 1080 right now, that should change.

1080 is graphics card made for playing games. Usually latency is not such big issue there, because typical workload is working on tons of textures and running same shader code on lots and lots of pixels.
And there is always something else to shade while waiting for that data.
So for games GDDR5X is great.

[Marvell1]

 The AMD Nano/Fury line are all MUCH higher core count, faster clocks, faster memory, MUCH wider memory bus - and mine SLOWER than my 2-generation old R9 290s, which routinely see 30 MH and I've not pushed them as far as they CAN go (best figure I've seen for the Nano was 27).

 There appears to be more than just pure "memory bandwidth" involved in how fast Ethereum can be mined by a given model of GPU.

Fury-x can do around 32mh/s on ethereum + 1700mh/s on decred simultaneaously with claymore dual miner. Nano just a little bit less (for nano http://mininghwcomparison.com/list/index.php?brand=amd)

 Stock clocks, or overclocked?

 Efficiency on the Fury/Nano is very good from everything I've seen, but still not impressive that a card with a ton more memory bandwidth and almost twice the Stream units is so poor on hashrate compared to a 2 generation old card.

 Is that 32Mh at stock clocks, or overclocked?

So for the Fury/nano cards, is it better to dual mine so that the core processors can be utilised fullly?

I foudn that dual mining lowers the eth hashrate unless you are downlocked to 800 core to save power then it makes no difference.

right now i can only dual mine with the modded rom at 23.6 mhs eth and 1200 mhs of DCR for 135 or watts.

eth only is still 24 mhs at 80 watts

[greaterninja]

To date, I think pattanan is the only person who has posted decent evidence to support 1070 hash rates.


vaulter says 27mh/s on 1070 but does not post logs, specs, miner settings, etc.  The only thing he posted was a rig of 1080s and a screenshot of something unconfirmed.
His documentation skills have been quite poor.

Not to mention there is reported hashrates of similar or the same GPU hardware with significantly different hashrates.

I'll take this information given as a grain of salt.



In either case, the 1070 is going for $450 and up as of 6.10.16.
Even if it mined 27 mh/s, it would not be profitable @ current eth rate of $14/ether for at least 4.5 months.

At $350 or $450 per card, the 1070 just does not seem to be a good candidate for ethereum mining unless power and cooling issues are a factor.

[Masha Sha]

vaulter says 27mh/s on 1070 but does not post logs, specs, miner settings, etc.  The only thing he posted was a rig of 1080s and a screenshot of something unconfirmed.
His documentation skills have been quite poor.

That would be an understatement 

[Amph]

To date, I think pattanan is the only person who has posted decent evidence to support 1070 hash rates.


vaulter says 27mh/s on 1070 but does not post logs, specs, miner settings, etc.  The only thing he posted was a rig of 1080s and a screenshot of something unconfirmed.
His documentation skills have been quite poor.

Not to mention there is reported hashrates of similar or the same GPU hardware with significantly different hashrates.

I'll take this information given as a grain of salt.



In either case, the 1070 is going for $450 and up as of 6.10.16.
Even if it mined 27 mh/s, it would not be profitable @ current eth rate of $14/ether for at least 4.5 months.

At $350 or $450 per card, the 1070 just does not seem to be a good candidate for ethereum mining unless power and cooling issues are a factor.

it does not work like, that the card is immediately profitable from the moment you plug and play, because it give you more money than consumption, much more

reaching roi has nothing to do with this,  because you can always sell your card at any point and have 100% refund basically, since those gpu are still new, they will hold their value for many months if not years

[greaterninja]

To date, I think pattanan is the only person who has posted decent evidence to support 1070 hash rates.


vaulter says 27mh/s on 1070 but does not post logs, specs, miner settings, etc.  The only thing he posted was a rig of 1080s and a screenshot of something unconfirmed.
His documentation skills have been quite poor.

Not to mention there is reported hashrates of similar or the same GPU hardware with significantly different hashrates.

I'll take this information given as a grain of salt.



In either case, the 1070 is going for $450 and up as of 6.10.16.
Even if it mined 27 mh/s, it would not be profitable @ current eth rate of $14/ether for at least 4.5 months.

At $350 or $450 per card, the 1070 just does not seem to be a good candidate for ethereum mining unless power and cooling issues are a factor.

it does not work like, that the card is immediately profitable from the moment you plug and play, because it give you more money than consumption, much more

reaching roi has nothing to do with this,  because you can always sell your card at any point and have 100% refund basically, since those gpu are still new, they will hold their value for many months if not years

It’s not immediately profitable.  You have a cost of $350 to $450 per card + whatever cost of tax and shipping is incurred.  You also incur business cost of $/kwh.
That’s essentially business cost.

Yes, mining ethereum will currently return more monetary value than the cost of electricity, but it’s still not profit until its monetary value exceeds your infrastructure and operating costs.  Until then what you mine is not profit, its just revenue.  Even then you have to account for exchange fees of 0.25% to 1% in most cases + ~4.5 to 17 cents transfer fees of ethereum and bitcoin systems.

ROI has plenty to do with purchasing and investing in things like this.  Anyone with a good strategy would factor this in ahead of time.    And to think you will get 100% of the GPU purchase price via resale is very unlikely in most cases.

[Amph]

To date, I think pattanan is the only person who has posted decent evidence to support 1070 hash rates.


vaulter says 27mh/s on 1070 but does not post logs, specs, miner settings, etc.  The only thing he posted was a rig of 1080s and a screenshot of something unconfirmed.
His documentation skills have been quite poor.

Not to mention there is reported hashrates of similar or the same GPU hardware with significantly different hashrates.

I'll take this information given as a grain of salt.



In either case, the 1070 is going for $450 and up as of 6.10.16.
Even if it mined 27 mh/s, it would not be profitable @ current eth rate of $14/ether for at least 4.5 months.

At $350 or $450 per card, the 1070 just does not seem to be a good candidate for ethereum mining unless power and cooling issues are a factor.

it does not work like, that the card is immediately profitable from the moment you plug and play, because it give you more money than consumption, much more

reaching roi has nothing to do with this,  because you can always sell your card at any point and have 100% refund basically, since those gpu are still new, they will hold their value for many months if not years

It’s not immediately profitable.  You have a cost of $350 to $450 per card + whatever cost of tax and shipping is incurred.  You also incur business cost of $/kwh.
That’s essentially business cost.

Yes, mining ethereum will currently return more monetary value than the cost of electricity, but it’s still not profit until its monetary value exceeds your infrastructure and operating costs.  Until then what you mine is not profit, its just revenue.  Even then you have to account for exchange fees of 0.25% to 1% in most cases + ~4.5 to 17 cents transfer fees of ethereum and bitcoin systems.

ROI has plenty to do with purchasing and investing in things like this.  Anyone with a good strategy would factor this in ahead of time.    And to think you will get 100% of the GPU purchase price via resale is very unlikely in most cases.

it can be true with old gpu, but not with new gpu, with new gpu there are high chance to sell them again for almost 100% of their original value

[Next BillG]

To date, I think pattanan is the only person who has posted decent evidence to support 1070 hash rates.


vaulter says 27mh/s on 1070 but does not post logs, specs, miner settings, etc.  The only thing he posted was a rig of 1080s and a screenshot of something unconfirmed.
His documentation skills have been quite poor.

Not to mention there is reported hashrates of similar or the same GPU hardware with significantly different hashrates.

I'll take this information given as a grain of salt.



In either case, the 1070 is going for $450 and up as of 6.10.16.
Even if it mined 27 mh/s, it would not be profitable @ current eth rate of $14/ether for at least 4.5 months.

At $350 or $450 per card, the 1070 just does not seem to be a good candidate for ethereum mining unless power and cooling issues are a factor.

it does not work like, that the card is immediately profitable from the moment you plug and play, because it give you more money than consumption, much more

reaching roi has nothing to do with this,  because you can always sell your card at any point and have 100% refund basically, since those gpu are still new, they will hold their value for many months if not years

It’s not immediately profitable.  You have a cost of $350 to $450 per card + whatever cost of tax and shipping is incurred.  You also incur business cost of $/kwh.
That’s essentially business cost.

Yes, mining ethereum will currently return more monetary value than the cost of electricity, but it’s still not profit until its monetary value exceeds your infrastructure and operating costs.  Until then what you mine is not profit, its just revenue.  Even then you have to account for exchange fees of 0.25% to 1% in most cases + ~4.5 to 17 cents transfer fees of ethereum and bitcoin systems.

ROI has plenty to do with purchasing and investing in things like this.  Anyone with a good strategy would factor this in ahead of time.    And to think you will get 100% of the GPU purchase price via resale is very unlikely in most cases.

it can be true with old gpu, but not with new gpu, with new gpu there are high chance to sell them again for almost 100% of their original value

I bought a few R9 390 a month ago, it was $378 each. I can buy the same model from the same shop for $280 each. If I sell now, it might be $200 each.

[Amph]

To date, I think pattanan is the only person who has posted decent evidence to support 1070 hash rates.


vaulter says 27mh/s on 1070 but does not post logs, specs, miner settings, etc.  The only thing he posted was a rig of 1080s and a screenshot of something unconfirmed.
His documentation skills have been quite poor.

Not to mention there is reported hashrates of similar or the same GPU hardware with significantly different hashrates.

I'll take this information given as a grain of salt.



In either case, the 1070 is going for $450 and up as of 6.10.16.
Even if it mined 27 mh/s, it would not be profitable @ current eth rate of $14/ether for at least 4.5 months.

At $350 or $450 per card, the 1070 just does not seem to be a good candidate for ethereum mining unless power and cooling issues are a factor.

it does not work like, that the card is immediately profitable from the moment you plug and play, because it give you more money than consumption, much more

reaching roi has nothing to do with this,  because you can always sell your card at any point and have 100% refund basically, since those gpu are still new, they will hold their value for many months if not years

It’s not immediately profitable.  You have a cost of $350 to $450 per card + whatever cost of tax and shipping is incurred.  You also incur business cost of $/kwh.
That’s essentially business cost.

Yes, mining ethereum will currently return more monetary value than the cost of electricity, but it’s still not profit until its monetary value exceeds your infrastructure and operating costs.  Until then what you mine is not profit, its just revenue.  Even then you have to account for exchange fees of 0.25% to 1% in most cases + ~4.5 to 17 cents transfer fees of ethereum and bitcoin systems.

ROI has plenty to do with purchasing and investing in things like this.  Anyone with a good strategy would factor this in ahead of time.    And to think you will get 100% of the GPU purchase price via resale is very unlikely in most cases.

it can be true with old gpu, but not with new gpu, with new gpu there are high chance to sell them again for almost 100% of their original value

I bought a few R9 390 a month ago, it was $378 each. I can buy the same model from the same shop for $280 each. If I sell now, it might be $200 each.

i would not buy old gpu ever for that reason, new gpu on the other hand can be bought and sol at the same price, because the demand for them is still and will be very high

[adaseb]

Unless you buy the GPUs used at a very good price, you might be able to sell them at 100% purchase cost.

If you buy brand new, you will never get 100% of your money back unless there is hugh demand and huge shortages which won't happen after about a month or two.

Why would someone buy a used GPU at 100% the price from retail. They wouldn't.

[Asnatin]

I noticed the new R9 390 price dropped about 20% in the last week. The shops are clearing stocks now.

[kahir]

any official hashing numbers on the 1080 are out yet ?? i see the the after market cooler cards are already swimming in markets 

[Subw]

Has this with me for 3 days so far.

see the performance then.

vaulter were you BSing us with 27Mh? Comments?

[Amph]

Has this with me for 3 days so far.

see the performance then.

vaulter were you BSing us with 27Mh? Comments?

you need to use linux, that appear to be windows 10

[pattanan]

Its windows 10  will do ubuntu tonight.....

[ps_jb]

I noticed the new R9 390 price dropped about 20% in the last week. The shops are clearing stocks now.

About zero change on Amazon

[reb0rn21]

Its windows 10  will do ubuntu tonight.....

Yes there is reported problem with NV and windows 10 with newer driver and ethereum, see genoil miner thread for updates, also there were talk modded driver is in work which can solve this problem...