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February 07, 2017, 02:52:36 PM
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Good news because people keep their BTC instead of buying overpriced miners?
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February 07, 2017, 04:55:41 PM
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It is sad that they do this. they use us to bank roll their system
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February 07, 2017, 06:54:17 PM
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That would matter if they actually depended on us to survive. Like most business. But they self mine. You've seen their mega farm right?  They only added 1.5 exahash and climbing. So yea they can do what they want sadly. And what is more sad is we all facilitated this.

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Are you talking about the mythical 130mw datacenter there is only digital representations of? The one where they partnered with 5 other companies, only control 20% of the space, and dont actually have a million machines running because the facility isnt even completed?

Stop buying industrial miners, running them at home, and then complaining about the noise.
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February 07, 2017, 08:42:29 PM
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It is sad that they do this. they use us to bank roll their system

why is that sad? they make a product you want ....

OregonMines is expanding. Are you expanding with us?
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February 07, 2017, 09:22:33 PM
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It is sad that they do this. they use us to bank roll their system

why is that sad? they make a product you want ....

Almost every successful product based business grows this way.  If people did not buy Bitmain miners they would not have the money to innovate and bring out newer, faster, more efficient miners.  And you can replace the word miners with widgets and Bitmain with any company building cutting edge products.  Tesla has done the exact same thing as have 100's of brands we buy and use every day. 
Bitmain has a lot of faults, like there deplorable repair system.  But it's a well run business in most respects.
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February 07, 2017, 09:57:59 PM
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That would matter if they actually depended on us to survive. Like most business. But they self mine. You've seen their mega farm right?  They only added 1.5 exahash and climbing. So yea they can do what they want sadly. And what is more sad is we all facilitated this.

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Are you talking about the mythical 130mw datacenter there is only digital representations of? The one where they partnered with 5 other companies, only control 20% of the space, and dont actually have a million machines running because the facility isnt even completed?

yes . and if what you say is correct i hate to see diff when it powers on Shocked

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February 07, 2017, 10:29:22 PM
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Just out of curiosity. As Samsung's 10 nm process is already in mass production phase and TSMC's 12 nm will come soon as well. Is it planned in the near future to develop more efficient ASICs using these technologies?
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February 07, 2017, 10:44:28 PM
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Most likely, but as Bitmain has the most efficient hardware in the current generation and they are most likely in no hurry, I guess it is going to take time before we see smaller node Bitcoin ASIC chips.

Wild scenario would be that Bitfury, Canaan or BW.com for example would come first before Bitmain with a smaller node chip.

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February 07, 2017, 10:52:42 PM
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Just out of curiosity. As Samsung's 10 nm process is already in mass production phase and TSMC's 12 nm will come soon as well. Is it planned in the near future to develop more efficient ASICs using these technologies?

no not in the near future.   by this 20180 in the spring they may go to a 10nm/12nm  but frankly.  they made build a second 14/16nm chip that is better then the current chip.  they have done this before.  I believe they had 2 different 28nm chips.

the bm1384 chip in the s5 was 28nm
the bm1385 chip in the s7 was 28nm

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February 07, 2017, 10:54:56 PM
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Just out of curiosity. As Samsung's 10 nm process is already in mass production phase and TSMC's 12 nm will come soon as well. Is it planned in the near future to develop more efficient ASICs using these technologies?

Not sure about Samsung's capacity to manufacture for bitcoin mining companies. So far i think BW is the only one sourcing from them. the rest are all at TSMC. If Samsung does manage to take 10nm to the market, vendors like Qualcomm, Apple, etc with deep pockets would likely take priority to get orders. And TSMC's 12nm is actually a revised version from 16nm architecture, which is not a genuine 12nm.

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February 07, 2017, 10:57:45 PM
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Just out of curiosity. As Samsung's 10 nm process is already in mass production phase and TSMC's 12 nm will come soon as well. Is it planned in the near future to develop more efficient ASICs using these technologies?

Not sure about Samsung's capacity to manufacture for bitcoin mining companies. So far i think BW is the only one sourcing from them. the rest are all at TSMC. If Samsung does manage to take 10nm to the market, vendors like Qualcomm, Apple, etc with deep pockets would likely take priority to get orders. And TSMC's 12nm is actually a revised version from 16nm architecture, which is not a genuine 12nm.

yeah but read my post above  I would think  the next chip will be a reworked bm1387

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February 07, 2017, 11:04:19 PM
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Just out of curiosity. As Samsung's 10 nm process is already in mass production phase and TSMC's 12 nm will come soon as well. Is it planned in the near future to develop more efficient ASICs using these technologies?

Not sure about Samsung's capacity to manufacture for bitcoin mining companies. So far i think BW is the only one sourcing from them. the rest are all at TSMC. If Samsung does manage to take 10nm to the market, vendors like Qualcomm, Apple, etc with deep pockets would likely take priority to get orders. And TSMC's 12nm is actually a revised version from 16nm architecture, which is not a genuine 12nm.

yeah but read my post above  I would think  the next chip will be a reworked bm1387

In today's market, despite the pitiful defect rate, Bitmain's 16-nm S9 easily beats competitors by 20~30% in performance so I don't know if they are incentivized enough to throw big money into designing another new chip. I would think the competitors would be pushed more to upgrade first. Maybe with the revised "12-nm" architecture, they could eventually even out with Bitmain.

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February 08, 2017, 10:16:36 AM
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Not sure about Samsung's capacity to manufacture for bitcoin mining companies. So far i think BW is the only one sourcing from them. the rest are all at TSMC. If Samsung does manage to take 10nm to the market, vendors like Qualcomm, Apple, etc with deep pockets would likely take priority to get orders. And TSMC's 12nm is actually a revised version from 16nm architecture, which is not a genuine 12nm.

Well yeah, TSMC's 12 nm is just a shrink of the existing 16 nm but they are preparing a 10 nm node as well. So that's why I tought it might be a possible solution as the big companies would obviously go with the 10 nm process, so the 12 nm could be more affordable (and availible) for the smaller ASIC industry.
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February 08, 2017, 02:09:46 PM
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10nm is also half node. And TSMC alredy told it will be short lived process. Both GlFo and TSMC will do 7nm as full node. Then can expect new Miners from Bitmain. No point from them to waste money on 10/12nm chip if they have massive efficency lead.
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February 08, 2017, 02:30:27 PM
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Got an email from hashnest.  Thanks Bitmain. That's a step in the right direction.

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Hi: d57heinz

HashNest dropped down the electricity fee for both AntS7 and AntS9 again.

Electricity fees dropped from $0.075/KWH to $0.07/KWH

Electricity fee for AntS7 dropped from $0.445/THS/Day to $0.41/THS/Day 

Electricity fee for AntS9 dropped from $0.21/THS/Day to $0.19/THS/Day

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February 08, 2017, 06:31:41 PM
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10nm is also half node. And TSMC alredy told it will be short lived process. Both GlFo and TSMC will do 7nm as full node. Then can expect new Miners from Bitmain. No point from them to waste money on 10/12nm chip if they have massive efficency lead.

Well OK, I've got your point Smiley
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February 09, 2017, 12:33:38 AM
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It is sad that they do this. they use us to bank roll their system

why is that sad? they make a product you want ....

Almost every successful product based business grows this way.  If people did not buy Bitmain miners they would not have the money to innovate and bring out newer, faster, more efficient miners.  And you can replace the word miners with widgets and Bitmain with any company building cutting edge products.  Tesla has done the exact same thing as have 100's of brands we buy and use every day. 
Bitmain has a lot of faults, like there deplorable repair system.  But it's a well run business in most respects.

It's sad that they sell junk and don't warranty it worth a damn.
And we don't payf or them to invent, I'm fairly certain they keep a miner for every one or two they sell which is dumped into their farms. have you seen how big they are? we bank roll their mining.
Which would be okay if the hardware they were releasing was worthy and reliable.
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February 09, 2017, 12:53:10 AM
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It is sad that they do this. they use us to bank roll their system

why is that sad? they make a product you want ....

Almost every successful product based business grows this way.  If people did not buy Bitmain miners they would not have the money to innovate and bring out newer, faster, more efficient miners.  And you can replace the word miners with widgets and Bitmain with any company building cutting edge products.  Tesla has done the exact same thing as have 100's of brands we buy and use every day. 
Bitmain has a lot of faults, like there deplorable repair system.  But it's a well run business in most respects.

It's sad that they sell junk and don't warranty it worth a damn.
And we don't payf or them to invent, I'm fairly certain they keep a miner for every one or two they sell which is dumped into their farms. have you seen how big they are? we bank roll their mining.
Which would be okay if the hardware they were releasing was worthy and reliable.

Hashnest and the gear never breaks.  pay 7 cents for power and use of their psu.

To compete against this  you need 5 cent power with no breakdowns.  or 3 cent power with breakdowns.

really not much choice to go past mining at hashnest.

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February 09, 2017, 01:56:01 AM
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It is sad that they do this. they use us to bank roll their system

why is that sad? they make a product you want ....

Almost every successful product based business grows this way.  If people did not buy Bitmain miners they would not have the money to innovate and bring out newer, faster, more efficient miners.  And you can replace the word miners with widgets and Bitmain with any company building cutting edge products.  Tesla has done the exact same thing as have 100's of brands we buy and use every day. 
Bitmain has a lot of faults, like there deplorable repair system.  But it's a well run business in most respects.

It's sad that they sell junk and don't warranty it worth a damn.
And we don't payf or them to invent, I'm fairly certain they keep a miner for every one or two they sell which is dumped into their farms. have you seen how big they are? we bank roll their mining.
Which would be okay if the hardware they were releasing was worthy and reliable.

Hashnest and the gear never breaks.  pay 7 cents for power and use of their psu.

To compete against this  you need 5 cent power with no breakdowns.  or 3 cent power with breakdowns.

really not much choice to go past mining at hashnest.

I think they just haven't squeezed all of the juice out of hashnest S7's so they are lowering the fees. Otherwise they would face huge amount of S7's being redeemed. As long as S7's are in their hands, they earn transaction and maintenance fees.
Or an even worse suspicion: they simply don't have that many S7's to back up the amount represented on hashnest. it could be hashrate created from nowhere, or from S9's.

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Well this is good news and also bad news,.  Good news we can start to combat the endless trove of thieves that btc seems to harbor.  Bad news we prolly only seen the beginning of price to tank.  Be interesting if it tanks far enough and people have to withdrawal their s7.. what will happen .. Anyone guess.  Somehow I think Bitmain may have some trouble producing enough s7.  time will tell. Lets hope this is only opportunity to buy lower.  http://www.coindesk.com/two-chinas-biggest-exchanges-stop-bitcoin-withdrawals/

http://www.bitcoinforecast.com/kraken.usd

Lets hope you took the advice and didn't invest more than you can afford to lose.. Lord knows i sure lost my hat with all this BS.  Time to dump everything for me.  Ive flat out had enough


Good luck to all in your future endeavors.  Took me long enough.. But this crap just isn't my forte

With Best Regards and well wishes.

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