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Author Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order  (Read 530832 times)
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December 27, 2016, 06:40:53 AM
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Hmm, thinking the main firmware on the hash board is fine, but it is the individual chain / chip firmware that's corrupted. Each individual ASIC chip looks like it has its own test ICSP connection. I think they get a copy of the app that is sent to each chip, that runs in its own memory space on its own hardware.

Not sure why they would all fail at the same time, or if it's the chain that failed somehow. Need to do a deeper analysis of the data on these ICSP connectors soon.

It's currently reading the main PIC, and it appears to be just fine. Then it tries to "restore" the 3200 block "app" package to the chains / ASICs, and that's where it fails. Then it goes on to trying to test the ASICs and reads nothing because their operating software is corrupt or badly written.

Chain[J4] has 0 asic
retry Chain[J4] has 0 asic
retry Chain[J4] has 0 asic
retry Chain[J4] has 0 asic
retry Chain[J4] has 0 asic
retry Chain[J4] has 0 asic
retry Chain[J4] has 0 asic
miner total rate=0GH/s fixed rate=0GH/s

I think that's the sign that the asic app software is corrupted / munged up.

It's another avenue of attack anyway, will post results when I have the time.

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December 27, 2016, 01:41:04 PM
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Another experience here regarding S9 repairs.

Out of five S9 units I have been through five hash board repairs and one IO / control board replacement.
I used bitmainwarranty for various reasons, but mainly because of the time involved. My longest repair took two weeks.
The pricing was $175 +$25 shipping three times, $132 including $25 shipping once, and $150 plus $25 shipping once.
I purchased the IO and control boards and did the replacement myself on that issue.

Odd thing is two of the S9 units I have purchased were from a great forum member who can mention his name if he wants and four of the hash board repairs were from those two units. All have been ran in the exact same environment and I know this forum member takes great care of his equipment. He provides a great deal of advice and reviews here. Simply luck of the draw for me.

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What I am getting at here is the 14/16 nm process. I expect to see Bitmain release new models, make improvements in various areas, etc, but I do not expect to see another die shrink anytime soon. If more effort is put into tweaking S9 performance we may be able to squeeze much longer life.

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The S9 failure rate is completely unacceptable and I have not purchased another one. I am selling and will continue to sell everything except the S9s, my PSUs, some spare parts and cables. I plan to keep mining and am looking for an opportunity to purchase a bulk order. I have been attempting to find something worth putting a significant amount of cash in for almost a year now. I wanted to purchase x00 S9s when they were released and thank everything good I was ignored by Bitmain. If I had ended up with the same failure rate % you all would be sick of reading my complaining by now. When I tried to discuss the purchase via e-mail,  no answer. The Avalons price per TH was too much but it is time I should revisit that price.

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Basically Bitmain have turned so many of their customer relationships into a vengeful type of "I buy from you because I do not have another choice." It has been and still is a long time coming but I can actually see the landscape changing. We will eventually have other choices. I was "first in line" to buy the S7 and S9. Unless I have another choice I will probably still purchase whatever next gen is released, but, I do it because it is what is available. Now, I do want to say my experience with bitmainwarranty in Colorado has been good. I have previously stated I firmly believe there are people working through that site who get it, but are controlled by policies put in place by the CEO in China and he cares about his existing largest accounts who are repeat customers.

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At least we are able to have the S9 hash boards "repaired." If I had known sidehack was repairing these I would have been discussing it with him. It isn't that bitmainwarranty in Colorado have sent me back unrepaired boards but for the price and the lack of details not to mention what sidehack does for this community I believe more of us should find ways to support his endeavours.

Good Luck to all of the home miners. Just since my short time of mining since 2014 so many people have departed. Hopefully many are still involved in various ways. The price of coin is nice and I hope it at least holds around $850 but I fear another drop as I recall the $190s and spent way too many coins around that price range. If I'd only held everything I made in 2015 rather than going all in on S7s  I would be at a much higher P/L ratio.


I sold most of my s9s off including 2 to sloopy.  And I think sloopy's 2 miners had a pair of replacement boards from bitmainwarranty.

The gear was never overclocked and temps were not allowed over 100c

I have 2 and ⅓ miners left
Buysolar has 2 miners 1 new and 1 old

They still work.

If you add the 4 dead boards from the 2 I sold to sloopy this brings my gear  fail rate from 7 of 28 to 11 of 28.

Last I spoke with sloopy  he had 1 dead board from the gear I sold him. So I guess 3 more failed.

I sold him a full s9 and a ⅔ s9   for 2k  so add back say 700 in repairs and he spent 2700 for 20th

the sad part is  2700 for 20th is cheaper then getting 3 new avalons  which will give you say 19th

at 3 x 888 = 2664 plus a controller for 60 = 2724 and of course shipping say 150 so net is 2874  and the gear does .16 watts per gh,  Bitmain is the king of asic 256  and truly owns "btc".

I am fine with that in every way but one China can decide to go after that company and poof  they are gone.
What happens to BTC if bitmain gets shut down?

Back to gear breaking.   It is obvious the s9  is designed to be unreliable. why is that?

the only way to beat a free or cheap power guy is sell him shit gear.  Most of us mining know we need cheap power and have managed to find it.  So if we buy gear we are certain to make money.  So bitmain keeps an edge against by sekking shit gear with a shit warranty.
   we still buy because in sloopys case 2000 for 20th  became 2700 for 20th and that still crushes avalon 721.

an aside  to sloopy  I can not get those 2 fans to work not sure why but they are delta and I had some other deltas like them with cockeyed wiring will still play with them some more.

I missed saying merry christmas to you but Happy New year ( I am early for that    Grin )

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December 27, 2016, 03:24:01 PM
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Hey phil  I just read you got stuck $78 in customs?

WTF?
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December 27, 2016, 03:25:58 PM
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Hey phil  I just read you got stuck $78 in customs?

WTF?

Yeah  My r4 and s9  were inside the same week   Dec 7th and Dec 12th

so they combined the value and taxed me. Embarrassed



read quote below


I just got 2 customs bills from Fedex


$35.68 for 1 R4 Which was delivered to me on Dec 7


$43.13 for 1 S9 Which was delivered to me on Dec 12


Since each item was well under 2500 in value

 I should have paid $0

I contacted fedex

here is their explantion

the r4 is 1,147.49 declared value
the s9 is 1,489.17 declared value

total is  2,636.66   since they arrived within 1 week they are considered 1 shipment.

My translation = Fuck you pay the money bitch.   


 So I now must add $78.81 to my cost

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December 27, 2016, 03:43:32 PM
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Hey phil  I just read you got stuck $78 in customs?

WTF?

Yeah  My r4 and s9  were inside the same week   Dec 7th and Dec 12th

so they combined the value and taxed me. Embarrassed



read quote below


I just got 2 customs bills from Fedex


$35.68 for 1 R4 Which was delivered to me on Dec 7


$43.13 for 1 S9 Which was delivered to me on Dec 12


Since each item was well under 2500 in value

 I should have paid $0

I contacted fedex

here is their explantion

the r4 is 1,147.49 declared value
the s9 is 1,489.17 declared value

total is  2,636.66   since they arrived within 1 week they are considered 1 shipment.

My translation = Fuck you pay the money bitch.   


 So I now must add $78.81 to my cost
That really sucks.

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December 27, 2016, 07:32:05 PM
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Has Bitmain given any hints as to when they will have S9's available?
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December 27, 2016, 09:47:55 PM
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Has Bitmain given any hints as to when they will have S9's available?

I honestly hope they pull the plug on sales. Its the only way to keep the diff from going crazy with these prices. It would be nice to have a 6 month window with no new gear at all like when the S5 ended and nobody had anything for quite a while.

Honestly unless your brand new to mining I don't see how you can't have all your S9 miners yet with 22 batches out over the last 7 months.
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December 27, 2016, 10:07:38 PM
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Has Bitmain given any hints as to when they will have S9's available?

I honestly hope they pull the plug on sales. Its the only way to keep the diff from going crazy with these prices. It would be nice to have a 6 month window with no new gear at all like when the S5 ended and nobody had anything for quite a while.

Honestly unless your brand new to mining I don't see how you can't have all your S9 miners yet with 22 batches out over the last 7 months.

they will definitely sell more R4s; S9-who knows?
My prediction is that they might do S9-LN (with two boards) instead at some point.
Not sure with or without PSU.
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December 27, 2016, 11:09:53 PM
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total is  2,636.66   since they arrived within 1 week they are considered 1 shipment.

That is so much bullshit ...
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December 27, 2016, 11:43:07 PM
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Phil, check what fedex has it labeled as. Mine was labeled scrap iron/steel. A quick call to them to let them know it was computer hardware and they zeroed the bill.
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December 28, 2016, 12:06:50 AM
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I was looking at the beginning of this ANN for the S9 and it appears that they announced the S9 at the end of May with shipping in the middle of June. 

Did we have any other clues that they were about to release a new miner at that point?  I am trying to understand the amount of lead time we might get before they announce the next generation of miner.  Obviously the more lead time allows us to move the existing gear out to make room for new miners. 

So I was wondering what your experience has been with this.  If you had a S7's did you have any issues getting them sold once the S9 was out?  Or did you sell them before the S9 was released?
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December 28, 2016, 12:08:22 AM
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Phil, check what fedex has it labeled as. Mine was labeled scrap iron/steel. A quick call to them to let them know it was computer hardware and they zeroed the bill.

thanks I saw the word aluminum let me check.

it reads bitcoin miner model:s9 the material aluminum electronic components etc use for get bitcoin by operate

the other one reads

bitcoin miner model :r4 the material aluminum cn


maybe I can get some relief.





@ longsnowsm

there simply won't be a new piece of gear from them.

they are head and shoulders above any other company  take a look at hashnest  they sell cloud s7's  that still earn a good profit  never mind the s9's they sell
  they have zero need for an s10 or an s11 at the moment.

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December 28, 2016, 12:34:46 AM
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I was looking at the beginning of this ANN for the S9 and it appears that they announced the S9 at the end of May with shipping in the middle of June. 

Did we have any other clues that they were about to release a new miner at that point?  I am trying to understand the amount of lead time we might get before they announce the next generation of miner.  Obviously the more lead time allows us to move the existing gear out to make room for new miners. 

So I was wondering what your experience has been with this.  If you had a S7's did you have any issues getting them sold once the S9 was out?  Or did you sell them before the S9 was released?

There is always a market for older generation gear. S5 sold for the same price in December 2015 as it did in January 2015 after btc prices shot up and the s7 was hard to get a hold of

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December 28, 2016, 12:40:56 AM
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Phil, check what fedex has it labeled as. Mine was labeled scrap iron/steel. A quick call to them to let them know it was computer hardware and they zeroed the bill.

thanks I saw the word aluminum let me check.

it reads bitcoin miner model:s9 the material aluminum electronic components etc use for get bitcoin by operate

the other one reads

bitcoin miner model :r4 the material aluminum cn


maybe I can get some relief.





@ longsnowsm

there simply won't be a new piece of gear from them.

they are head and shoulders above any other company  take a look at hashnest  they sell cloud s7's  that still earn a good profit  never mind the s9's they sell
  they have zero need for an s10 or an s11 at the moment.

Check box #30... mine says "ARTICLES OF IRON/STEEL" with a charge of $43.18 per S9. Some fedex employee probably saw aluminum & miner in the description and assumed it was raw earth mining materials.


Edit: and if anyone from Bitmain reads this, just put "Computer Hardware" or "Computer Peripheral" as the description when shipping via Fedex to the USA.
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December 28, 2016, 01:24:09 AM
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Hmm, thinking the main firmware on the hash board is fine, but it is the individual chain / chip firmware that's corrupted. Each individual ASIC chip looks like it has its own test ICSP connection. I think they get a copy of the app that is sent to each chip, that runs in its own memory space on its own hardware.

Not sure why they would all fail at the same time, or if it's the chain that failed somehow. Need to do a deeper analysis of the data on these ICSP connectors soon.

It's currently reading the main PIC, and it appears to be just fine. Then it tries to "restore" the 3200 block "app" package to the chains / ASICs, and that's where it fails. Then it goes on to trying to test the ASICs and reads nothing because their operating software is corrupt or badly written.

Chain[J4] has 0 asic
retry Chain[J4] has 0 asic
retry Chain[J4] has 0 asic
retry Chain[J4] has 0 asic
retry Chain[J4] has 0 asic
retry Chain[J4] has 0 asic
retry Chain[J4] has 0 asic
miner total rate=0GH/s fixed rate=0GH/s

I think that's the sign that the asic app software is corrupted / munged up.

It's another avenue of attack anyway, will post results when I have the time.

 Grin

I have a center hash board that is failing in the same exact manner.. log is able to connect to the hashboard reading pic firmware 0x02 but says chain has 0 asic. The board never lights up red and fails to show up in miner status.  This all happened a few days after updating to the new auto-tune firmware as well...

All the components seem fine on the hash board, voltage is not seen past the inductor like on my working hash boards.. I believe the software in the PIC controller has become corrupted or a safety mechanism detects a short circuit in the asic chain and prevents it from powering them up.

I've also ordered a pickit 3 to try to restore the PIC firmware, should know by the end of the week if it works out or not.  Please keep me updated on your situation as well!
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December 28, 2016, 03:09:48 AM
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I was looking at the beginning of this ANN for the S9 and it appears that they announced the S9 at the end of May with shipping in the middle of June. 

Did we have any other clues that they were about to release a new miner at that point?  I am trying to understand the amount of lead time we might get before they announce the next generation of miner.  Obviously the more lead time allows us to move the existing gear out to make room for new miners. 

So I was wondering what your experience has been with this.  If you had a S7's did you have any issues getting them sold once the S9 was out?  Or did you sell them before the S9 was released?

Bitmain has always come out of left field when it comes to announcing new miners. You usually get about 2-3 weeks notice. Lately they have only been giving about 12-24 hours notice before a new batch of S9s are released. They then sell out right away and are sold out for a few weeks.

Its an interesting way of doing things but I'm positive that they have put a lot of thought into how they release batches and I'm sure they maximize their profits this way. Lets just pray they only release R4 miners from now on to keep the diff low for the next 6 months. Its about time mining was profitable again, even if only for a short while.
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December 28, 2016, 04:10:51 AM
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Has Bitmain given any hints as to when they will have S9's available?

I honestly hope they pull the plug on sales. Its the only way to keep the diff from going crazy with these prices. It would be nice to have a 6 month window with no new gear at all like when the S5 ended and nobody had anything for quite a while.

Honestly unless your brand new to mining I don't see how you can't have all your S9 miners yet with 22 batches out over the last 7 months.

Nahhhh, the last thing I want is to lose access to upgrading my gear. It would be bad for the community and bitcoin security if access is limited. It would be bad business on Bitmains part.

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Has Bitmain given any hints as to when they will have S9's available?

I honestly hope they pull the plug on sales. Its the only way to keep the diff from going crazy with these prices. It would be nice to have a 6 month window with no new gear at all like when the S5 ended and nobody had anything for quite a while.

Honestly unless your brand new to mining I don't see how you can't have all your S9 miners yet with 22 batches out over the last 7 months.

Not new, in case you couldn't tell.  I have added to my modest farm over time when it makes sense.  But it's been a while and don't frequent this thread as often as I used to. 
After 22 batches it will be interesting to see what happens.  I assume they are still committed to decentralization.  At least in their own minute way.
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December 28, 2016, 04:32:25 AM
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Has Bitmain given any hints as to when they will have S9's available?

I honestly hope they pull the plug on sales. Its the only way to keep the diff from going crazy with these prices. It would be nice to have a 6 month window with no new gear at all like when the S5 ended and nobody had anything for quite a while.

Honestly unless your brand new to mining I don't see how you can't have all your S9 miners yet with 22 batches out over the last 7 months.

Nahhhh, the last thing I want is to lose access to upgrading my gear. It would be bad for the community and bitcoin security if access is limited. It would be bad business on Bitmains part.

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December 28, 2016, 09:21:59 AM
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they answered on facebook from a week

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