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July 14, 2011, 07:57:09 PM
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These restrictions seem reasonable
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July 14, 2011, 08:46:04 PM
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I seldom post on forums if at all, usually I spend most of the time just reading. This system doesn't work too well for me, to actually rack up 5 posts might take me fair bit of time.

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July 14, 2011, 09:58:22 PM
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+1 to be online 3 hours 14 mins now took me >2 days  Shocked

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July 15, 2011, 08:01:00 AM
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These restrictions seem reasonable

Yes, indeed.

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July 15, 2011, 03:31:54 PM
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I think it might be good if the tech support subforum didn't have such a restriction.

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July 15, 2011, 05:14:31 PM
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Restrictions are really helpful, but if you visit the forum mainly for reading, and only once - two per day to write a message, then it can go into the problem: (
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July 15, 2011, 05:46:19 PM
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If that rises quality of content, lets be it. Quality over quantity.
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July 15, 2011, 06:32:57 PM
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Kinda annoying not to be able to ask questions early on but I suppose rules are there for a reason, and at least it will stop spamming all over the forum from members saying "Post 1", "Post 2, 3 to go" lol
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July 15, 2011, 09:25:51 PM
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The site says: Due to spam, non-established users can only post in the "newbies" section."

I would like to argue that this is a blatant lie. If we go by spam defined as defined by wikipedia, that is, paraphrased, "unsolicited bulk messages sent indiscriminately", then a quick peek at the reasons given for not whitelisting new users will show that something is amiss: A common reply is "try to resolve your issues in the newbie section". This reply directly admits that the message appears to be a legitimate issue. Otherwise, why would it be responded to at all? Thusly, people are being acknowledged as not spam while still being denied normal usage of the forum.

Maybe the restrictions are in place to prevent trolls and random clowns from making stupid posts, but again, what do we have beyond a "try to charm the moderators" game. I've seen 1 line 'take my word for it' posts whitelisted, so surely the trolls can get in if they wish.

All we got here are power hungry mods (yeah, that's a  new one for an internet forum, I know), an unfriendly and cumbersome greeting for new users (and even year long lurkers, such as myself) and a chaotic newbie section swamped with all sorts of random messages.

Surely this can be done better, and in the interest of the good of bitcoin it really should be.
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July 15, 2011, 09:33:31 PM
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I would think some kind of human test would do better at stopping spambots. The current restrictions as it is would just make things difficult for newbies. Not all of them would realize there is a restriction in place and might just think the forum's screwed up, and indirectly inferring that so is bitcoin. It wouldn't stop a real spammer/troll from registering a couple of accounts, post a few nonsensical posts, then leave his machine (or go troll/spam elsewhere first), with a couple of browsers and auto refresh plugins to chalk up the 4 hours before firing away.

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July 15, 2011, 09:35:27 PM
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I have to somewhat agree and can't believe how exceptionally difficult it is to post.Many of the the issues with the programs usually say to come here if you have an issue with said programs but it is very difficult to do if you can't reply.

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July 15, 2011, 09:38:07 PM
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The site says: Due to spam, non-established users can only post in the "newbies" section."

I would like to argue that this is a blatant lie. If we go by spam defined as defined by wikipedia, that is, paraphrased, "unsolicited bulk messages sent indiscriminately", then a quick peek at the reasons given for not whitelisting new users will show that something is amiss: A common reply is "try to resolve your issues in the newbie section". This reply directly admits that the message appears to be a legitimate issue. Otherwise, why would it be responded to at all? Thusly, people are being acknowledged as not spam while still being denied normal usage of the forum.

Maybe the restrictions are in place to prevent trolls and random clowns from making stupid posts
This. Spam, in this case, is the more general case of a bunch of people always asking the same questions, or trolling.

but again, what do we have beyond a "try to charm the moderators" game. I've seen 1 line 'take my word for it' posts whitelisted, so surely the trolls can get in if they wish.
More goes on behind the scenes than you realize. In a whitelist review, every post the user has ever made is checked. Their post requesting whitelisting is only a small part of it.

All we got here are power hungry mods (yeah, that's a  new one for an internet forum, I know)
We take every whitelist request seriously...

(and even year long lurkers, such as myself)
...but we can't read your mind. Nowhere in your request did you say that.

Surely this can be done better, and in the interest of the good of bitcoin it really should be.
We agree. However, this is the best we can do for now.

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July 15, 2011, 10:06:40 PM
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We take every whitelist request seriously...
I am glad to hear this. Hard working moderators always have my respect and appreciation.

(and even year long lurkers, such as myself)
...but we can't read your mind. Nowhere in your request did you say that.

Why should it make a difference if someone claims to be a lurker? Anyone can do that. And no, you couldn't check my ip or anything, because I mostly browsed this site with Tor before needing to register.


Anyway, I know big forums have troubles with newbies. But a forced newbie section is quite extreme. FAQs and closing repeatedly asked questions by a sizable number of lower ranked moderators is the norm for a reason. It's much more friendly and doesn't create a giant hurdle that probably offends and deters intelligent new users more than your average joe.
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July 15, 2011, 10:07:53 PM
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SMF forums has some nice  modifications, that changes things bit harder for spambots!
I personally use 1 and 3 for my fps game clan forum and we have zero spam status Smiley
Akismet could make it surely more secured but i hate to reg in anywhere to get some
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July 15, 2011, 11:04:10 PM
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Due to a mass of trolling, only established posters are able to post in non-newbie sections. You are considered "established" if you have spent 4 hours online and have made 5 posts.


So basically I need to spam the newbie section 5 times and wait 4 hours so I can post on the form for the pool that I am in?
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July 15, 2011, 11:08:36 PM
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(and even year long lurkers, such as myself)
...but we can't read your mind. Nowhere in your request did you say that.

Why should it make a difference if someone claims to be a lurker? Anyone can do that. And no, you couldn't check my ip or anything, because I mostly browsed this site with Tor before needing to register.
It allows us to look for more subtle hints in the post to see if what they are saying is true. It's usually not something we look for, since it's usually not the case for most people.

Anyway, I know big forums have troubles with newbies. But a forced newbie section is quite extreme. FAQs and closing repeatedly asked questions by a sizable number of lower ranked moderators is the norm for a reason. It's much more friendly and doesn't create a giant hurdle that probably offends and deters intelligent new users more than your average joe.
Yeah, but we don't have, nor do we want, such a big moderator staff that we can do that. Hell, most of our moderators have their own projects they do outside of the forum. We're really understaffed, but we don't want to risk the possibility of a moderator becoming corrupt, as that's much worse. We don't even have the power to ban people.

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July 15, 2011, 11:21:55 PM
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Much more reasonable then a 50 post rule, at this way they can weed out most of the crap and not lose their minds over it, either.

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July 16, 2011, 12:01:38 AM
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This is a good idea.
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July 16, 2011, 01:25:06 PM
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I think the rules are okay I know of a lot of forums where they require a lot more hours and posts.

Personally I have spent easily over 10 hours each week over the past 2 months, but I finally joined today as a user so I can buy / sell stuff for bitcoins and realized I can't post until I go through these trials.
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July 16, 2011, 02:36:28 PM
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Well, I think they're a bit annoying. Four content-free posts in the Newbie section aren't that difficult.

Why don't you allow enabling an account with a Bitcoin transfer? I'd consider 1 Bitcent to be reasonable for purposes of spam blocking.

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