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September 02, 2016, 05:12:10 PM
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ring signatures way better than zcash, just saying. so people, please don't buy  into this ICO as zcash security is backed by NSA. BTCD should have gone the NXT way with Komodo, making snap shots over the period of next 10 weeks.
you do realize NXT price pumped 4x due to the snapshots. While short term thinking BTCD peoples might applaud that, it only helps the existing whales to do that. Note that I am an existing BTCD whale and I chose not to do a preannounced long term pump snapshot

I guess since you think ring sigs with 3 to 10 signers, usually on the low end is better than zcash, well that is comparing a very small anon set with up to 2^28. Not sure what universe 3 to 10 is better than up to 2^28, i guess the one where size doesnt matter?

where is your proof that zcash is backed by the NSA? people can easily claim cryptonote is backed by the NSA, it did after all have a very strange appearance with a 2 year history when it was still a few months old. So you can go into the zcash forum and prove to them how they are NSA controlled and then plz post your findings here.

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September 02, 2016, 05:13:43 PM
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Long time reader, subscriber and hodler here.

James the stuff that comes from your head is amazing. And the direction you wish to take crypto is inspiring.

A couple of due diligence questions though, and please note these are not meant to sound harsh, you have my utmost respect.

1. Has Supernet generated any revenues? (Props to you for keeping the price at near beginning level)
- yes there have been some assets, but those didn't really give any revenues
- the funds supernet has, have been used for trading, have any of those profits been given back to the hodlers?


2. What role will Btcd play in iguana?
-Before it was needed as the grease for iguana transactions? Now what is the grease for iguana, komodo?


3. You said that you will never build on a platform you have no control on (ie: nxt) but is not btc and zcash outof your control
-what happens if btc transaction fees become large
-or btc changes in a way that is disasterous to your project

-or z cash fails to deliver a working product, or zcash delays their launch, or zcash who can read this thread sees you as a competitor and seeks to throw a monkey wrench in your launch somehow.

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September 02, 2016, 05:15:02 PM
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The reality is this is finally jl777's "Jump the Shark" moment, after an endless string of serial asset and coin creations, Icarus has finally flown to close to the sun.

30k btc to clone zcash? LOL

It was nice knowing you jl777, now we know why you kept yourself anon for years, eventually the game ends, good night sweet Prince.
komodo is actually my first coin ICO. can you remind me what other coin I even created, ICO or no ICO?

max amount is a max, what other recent ICO had max cap? usually what comes in is less than the maximum. That is because the maximum is the biggest it can be and anything else is less than the maximum.

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September 02, 2016, 05:31:40 PM
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size doesnt matter

Size only matters when you're full grown, baby!

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September 02, 2016, 05:42:16 PM
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Our first Steemit article!


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September 02, 2016, 05:43:17 PM
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HODL, HODL, HODL!I suspect that when his alliance dumped most coins, he dilutes 200x to raise more money again.
Jl777 is doing  many very long term projects and all profits will pour into your ... ILLUSION.
Show your codes with other devs who can understand potential profits, pay them with SuperNET money and assests, do the rest as promises. Why don't you do this way?
Another cycle will be this: no real product, just git, clone & run because he can't do GUI, do not blame him...
Because NXT devs kicked him out, SuperNET and other assets are nearly homeless.
CryptoCard is dead in silence. Teleport, Telepathy: too longterm ideas that ZCASH makes them obsolute and James wants to depend on that technology to further delay his project if anything happens with Zcash relationship.
InstantDEX will be EasyDEX for a show case after 2 years gambling with SuperNET money and no real product.
After BTCD dilutting, SuperNET and other assets manipulating projects is the next?

By the way, up until now, Jl777's API is like this:



Jl777's commitment is as following:



Poor all BTCD bagholders!



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I'm not going to lie...but I did laugh out loud at this Grin
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Do not buy into this ICO! jl777 is an evil reptilian. It doesn't take a genius to see this, using names such as Iguana and now Komodo exposes their draconian agenda. Unlike mammals they have no sense of empathy. Did jl777 think of BTCDholders feelings when launching a new coin? Hell no! Only a lizardman would not have empathy for their investors like that. But what really grinds my gears is the fact that jl777 hides their identity while asking for such a large amount of new capital. Neither Ethereum nor Waves ICO were launched by an anonymous person and they both got 30k BTC investments. Now jl777 also wants 30k but does not want to tell us their real name.

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Do not buy into this ICO! jl777 is ................
Plz stop troll!!  Grin

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September 02, 2016, 06:22:43 PM
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Do not buy into this ICO! jl777 is an evil reptilian. It doesn't take a genius to see this, using names such as Iguana and now Komodo exposes their draconian agenda.

There are even more lizards! Be aware!  Grin

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Thank you for useful questions!

1. Has Supernet generated any revenues? (Props to you for keeping the price at near beginning level)
- yes there have been some assets, but those didn't really give any revenues
- the funds supernet has, have been used for trading, have any of those profits been given back to the hodlers?
Unfortunately, other than trading gains, which arent revenues, there hasnt been anything that generates positive cashflow. Now there is no way I can responsibly even think about dividending out the trading gains while we are below the original NAV. Things got pretty bad for a while, but I seem to have made up almost 2000 BTC worth this year. However past performance cannot be guaranteed to confirm and I did hit a good run of picks.

As komodo is the anchor piece that gets a stable set of notary nodes, they will not only perform notary duties, I will use them for other useful tasks in the ecosystem where a set of high availability services are needed. mostly just simple directory and "bulletin board" low bandwidth services, but still very useful for things like a list of all active coins in the networks, current active peers, DEX trading pairs, etc.

Getting the DEX fully stocked LP (liquidity provider) nodes is one of the charter's for komodo funds (after the blockchain critical things are paid for)

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2. What role will Btcd play in iguana?
-Before it was needed as the grease for iguana transactions? Now what is the grease for iguana, komodo?
where it makes sense what would have been btcd fees will be komodo fees, as komodo is btcd 2.0. However, maybe there is a miscommunication, even before komodo if an iguana node is performing say LTC services for a basilisk, it would have charged LTC. Ah, ok I think I understand. For the multicurrency fees coming in to the revenue streams, they will be converted to the komodo and act like a pool that is converting the various mined currencies to the destination currency. But, the coin fees an iguana node would get from a basilisk node wont be autoconverted, that would be something that the one running the node would have to do

So grease is not the right analogy... I dont want there to be any needless barriers to adoption, so whenever possible it will be denominated in the most appropriate currency, whatever that is. The reinforcement effect will come from the required conversion into komodo

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3. You said that you will never build on a platform you have no control on (ie: nxt) but is not btc and zcash outof your control
-what happens if btc transaction fees become large
-or btc changes in a way that is disasterous to your project
The bitcoin protocol is documented and not anything that can just be changed by one dev declaring it changed, like happened in NXT. The often contentious BTC world has the advantage that change is much slower.

Fee increases are factored in and why this ICO, but even at the lower end of funds raised, I can reduce the costs by increasing the delay. There is a parameter of "Delay Minutes", which determines how long after a new BTC block comes in that the notary transaction is submitted. The smaller this, is the more frequently we get notarized, which reduces the delay for BTC protection, but increases the cost.

So the fallback plan is to increase Delay Minutes to fit within the budgeted amount.

Now if some blackswan event makes bitcoin go insane and unusable, well, there is always other very strong chains, so I would find the most stable and secure one and use it for the notarization recording.

As far as zcash goes, it is a large open source project with a lot of very good devs. Having interacted with them during the alpha stage I dont see them making changes other than what is required for security reasons and if that is the case, komodo is well served to adopt it.

Another point to note is that iguana now works with over a dozen coins. natively, doing parallel sync with them. zcash is one of these and it is a key component for komodo, but iguana is still the platform. So the dPoW layer will be built on top of iguana API (custom extensions I will create) and the iguana will interface with the bitcoin and zcashd components.

I know from the outside it is really hard to discern these type of things, so I am glad you are asking such good questions
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-or z cash fails to deliver a working product, or zcash delays their launch, or zcash who can read this thread sees you as a competitor and seeks to throw a monkey wrench in your launch somehow.
zcash already has a working product! Granted it is being security reviewed for flaws, but it is working. Of course for the GUI purists it is totally unfinished as it wont have a GUI for a while, but I speak of the zkp (zero knowledge proof) logic and having it mapped to the bitcoin transaction model. Quite an achievement already. Of course a delay is possible, but I dont expect there to be any prolonged delay.

Now I certainly hope zcash doesnt view komodo as a competitor. It is an open source project and we will be doing a GUI that I hope the zcash team can use. Also, ZEC is a mined coin, komodo is dPoW so I really dont see how there is much overlap between the two from a non-technical point. I estimate the market price for ZEC to be very high compared to komodo, so it will be similar to LTC's silver to BTC's gold situation. komodo price will be in sub-dollar range. ZEC price I have to imagine will be $10 to $100+, especially at first.

If komodo is a massive success that will give zcash a lot of exposure by necessity. I was also in discussions about donating the 5% staking by the zkp funds to the zcash devs, as I couldnt figure out a way how to get anymore than aggregate amounts in the zkp form, it is that strong a privacy. So if the zcash team would accept this, then we wouldnt just be a project that forked zcash, we would be contributing back GUI, publicity and also some komodo

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other proof of stake (PoS) cryptocurrencies [..] can secure their blockchain with Bitcoin’s mining power. The difference is that instead of dealing with Bitcoin directly – like Komodo does – they will instead send their information to the Komodo blockchain.

Question: what advantages other PoS coins have to use Komodo as a service rather than making their own dPoS system? If it's more convenient to piggyback on Komodo then it becomes even more interesting but it's not clear why that would be the case

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other proof of stake (PoS) cryptocurrencies [..] can secure their blockchain with Bitcoin’s mining power. The difference is that instead of dealing with Bitcoin directly – like Komodo does – they will instead send their information to the Komodo blockchain.

Question: what advantages other PoS coins have to use Komodo as a service rather than making their own dPoS system? If it's more convenient to piggyback on Komodo then it becomes even more interesting but it's not clear why that would be the case


Good question!

It costs a lot to make the constant transactions to the bitcoin blockchain. It is a lot cheaper to do those transactions to the Komodo blockchain, as Komodo is a PoS coin with a lot lower tx fees.

So it makes sense for all the other coins to use Komodo instead of directly using Bitcoin.

As Komodo is the first one to implement this it will become the standard gateway for dPoW! Other coins will start using Komodo to secure their own blockchain, then it will create a lot of transactions fees for Komodo. Those transaction fees will be used to pay for the bitcoin transaction fees, and the system becomes self-sustaining.

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other proof of stake (PoS) cryptocurrencies [..] can secure their blockchain with Bitcoin’s mining power. The difference is that instead of dealing with Bitcoin directly – like Komodo does – they will instead send their information to the Komodo blockchain.

Question: what advantages other PoS coins have to use Komodo as a service rather than making their own dPoS system? If it's more convenient to piggyback on Komodo then it becomes even more interesting but it's not clear why that would be the case

Remember the bitcoin fees?
It is expected that komodo price will be below 1BTC for a while, so that means komodo txfee will cost a lot less than bitcoin.

Additionally, for bitcoin compatible coins, iguana is able to directly be a peer, which means instead of the third party coin (PoS, PoW, PoAnything) just as to add handling for a "notarized" network message and a small change to their consensus reorg loop. Adding support for a new network message is one of the easier mods to a bitcoin protocol coin as it usually doesnt interact with anything else and you just need to make it do what it is supposed to.

In this case:

if ( message is "notarized" )
   remember notarizedhash

Then in the consensus code where it pops off blocks, a check is added to prevent going past block that has a stored notarizedhash

The komodo notary nodes do all the rest, including monitoring the chain for new blocks, creating a komodo tx that is group signed and record it, monitoring BTC chain (it already is doing this) and detecting a notarizedhash and sending the "notarized" message

So the advantage is not only are bitcoin fees not needed, just komodo fees, the communication is flowing just one direction, from komodo to the third party coin. It wont need to know about any other blockchain. For those familiar with all the edge cases doing cross chain operations, this simplification is a very significant thing. In the event the komodo notary message doesnt arrive, the bitcoin protection is just delayed a bit. the dPoW protection is enhancing whatever existing consensus method is used. So it is either the same if for whatever reason the notarized message doesnt arrive, or it arrives an the "write protect" flag is set for the notarized block

Some reasonable komodo fee paid to the notary nodes will be all that it takes to provide continuous notary services and it also gets a full node for that coin into the ecosystem, which in turn will enable basilisk lite node services. but that is for a different day

There would only be a limited number of coins that could be actively supported like this and once we get the first one integrated, it will be possible to make it a streamlined process for the next one. iguana compatibility is a requirement though.

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September 02, 2016, 07:09:05 PM
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Thanks, this another awesome feature that wasn't clear enough!

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September 02, 2016, 07:13:43 PM
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Thanks, this another awesome feature that wasn't clear enough!

I didnt have a chance to explain all the other iguana enabled features, but it is best I dont as if I do, then all the trolls will start screaming that I never get anything done. It seems they would be happier if I didnt work on more than one thing at a time and I should just wait while the testing, documentation, installers, etc are completed


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