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September 07, 2016, 05:06:39 PM
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All I know is that JL777 is an honest, highly capable and hardworking guy, that I already made tons of money by investing in his projects and that start-ups sometimes need to sell shares to get funding to make the remaining shares multiples of magnitudes more valuable than their initial percentage in the company. I am in Smiley
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September 07, 2016, 05:14:15 PM
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All I know is that JL777 is an honest, highly capable and hardworking guy, that I already made tons of money by investing in his projects and that start-ups sometimes need to sell shares to get funding to make the remaining shares multiples of magnitudes more valuable than their initial percentage in the company. I am in Smiley
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September 07, 2016, 05:16:36 PM
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Do i need to reserve a spot? something I'm a little confused about the below comment from https://steemit.com/komodo/@komodoplatform/komodo-ico-questions-and-answers

How was the BTC/BTCD exchange rate calculated?

This exchange rate was determined by adding a 50% bonus to the daily closing price average of August. That is the previously mentioned 0.00532074 BTC per BTCD.

However, because of the way ICO is structured,it would be profitable to sell your BTCD at the 0.0053 rate in o[/b
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The following was calculated based on the BTC bonus:

Oct. 15 - 25% bonus = 0.00425 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 16-22 - 20% bonus = 0.00443 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 23-29 - 15% bonus = 0.00462 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 30-Nov 5 - 10% bonus = 0.00483 BTC/BTCD
Nov 6-12 - 5% bonus = 0.00506 BTC/BTCD
Nov 13-20 - 0% bonus = 0.00532 BTC/BTCD
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how can you sell early at that rate? you can't unless market dictates. so for BTCD holders, best to hold until after the ICO. then convert BTCD to .00532 BTC then to komodo correct?


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September 07, 2016, 06:04:17 PM
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This exchange rate was determined by adding a 50% bonus to the daily closing price average of August. That is the previously mentioned 0.00532074 BTC per BTCD.

Is the BTCD exchange rate fix, even when the Bitcoin price rises strongly (like at the moment)? If so, then it would be a good deal to buy more BTCD before the exchange begins if BitcoinDark price is not rising equally to the BTC price.

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September 07, 2016, 06:12:57 PM
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Can you explain the dPoW fees? For example, you say money is needed for that.

Aren't you talking about Bitcoin tx fees here which current optimum is 70 sat per byte or about 17,920sat per tx which is currently about $.10USD.

thanks


Good question! This is a topic we haven't really touched on yet. More information will be in the coming whitepaper and in the articles we will write.

The notary nodes will have to create a large multi-signature transaction, which will cost 0.001 - 0.01 BTC depending on the transaction fees. These transactions have to be regularly done, so there will be an unbroken record of the Komodo PoS blockchain in the Bitcoin blockchain.

How do these notary nodes pay all these tx fees? At first they will get paid from the capital we raise in the ICO. Ultimately, the system will become self-sustaining as more and more projects will be using Komodo dPoW or the blockchain in general.

The initial cost is estimated to be 500 BTC per year for the high end scenarios. So 500 BTC would be paid to 64 notary nodes who would support the dPoW system. In a high end scenario this amount would represent around 2 % of our capital.

If we don't raise enough funds then there are numerous ways to bring down the costs of dPoW. For example, the number of notary nodes could be decreased or the parameters changed.

We are currently working on the whitepaper, which will explain this in more detail.





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September 07, 2016, 06:28:25 PM
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Can you explain the dPoW fees? For example, you say money is needed for that.

Aren't you talking about Bitcoin tx fees here which current optimum is 70 sat per byte or about 17,920sat per tx which is currently about $.10USD.

thanks


Good question! This is a topic we haven't really touched on yet. More information will be in the coming whitepaper and in the articles we will write.

The notary nodes will have to create a large multi-signature transaction, which will cost 0.001 - 0.01 BTC depending on the transaction fees. These transactions have to be regularly done, so there will be an unbroken record of the Komodo PoS blockchain in the Bitcoin blockchain.

How do these notary nodes pay all these tx fees? At first they will get paid from the capital we raise in the ICO. Ultimately, the system will become self-sustaining as more and more projects will be using Komodo dPoW or the blockchain in general.

The initial cost is estimated to be 500 BTC per year for the high end scenarios. So 500 BTC would be paid to 64 notary nodes who would support the dPoW system. In a high end scenario this amount would represent around 2 % of our capital.

If we don't raise enough funds then there are numerous ways to bring down the costs of dPoW. For example, the number of notary nodes could be decreased or the parameters changed.

We are currently working on the whitepaper, which will explain this in more detail.

I think you are overestimating the tx fee be a factor of 10... I would expect fees to be .0001 - .001. and using .001 as an example 500BTC would cover 500,000 txs which is more than the entire BTC height right now. Is a node going to generate more than 1 tx per BTC block? I don't see how that would be needed.

I look forward to a white paper, because those sound like crazy high fees.
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Do i need to reserve a spot? something I'm a little confused about the below comment from https://steemit.com/komodo/@komodoplatform/komodo-ico-questions-and-answers

How was the BTC/BTCD exchange rate calculated?

This exchange rate was determined by adding a 50% bonus to the daily closing price average of August. That is the previously mentioned 0.00532074 BTC per BTCD.

However, because of the way ICO is structured,it would be profitable to sell your BTCD at the 0.0053 rate in o[/b
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The following was calculated based on the BTC bonus:

Oct. 15 - 25% bonus = 0.00425 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 16-22 - 20% bonus = 0.00443 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 23-29 - 15% bonus = 0.00462 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 30-Nov 5 - 10% bonus = 0.00483 BTC/BTCD
Nov 6-12 - 5% bonus = 0.00506 BTC/BTCD
Nov 13-20 - 0% bonus = 0.00532 BTC/BTCD
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how can you sell early at that rate? you can't unless market dictates. so for BTCD holders, best to hold until after the ICO. then convert BTCD to .00532 BTC then to komodo correct?

Yes, the market will set the price, which should be close to those prices.

Let's take a simple example: mr Jon is a Komodo enthusiast who is looking to put 1 BTC into the Komodo ICO. He wants to get the biggest bonus he can to get as much KMD as he can! Jon has two choices: 1) buy on Oct 15th with 25% bonus, which would get him 1.25 BTC worth of KMD at the end, or 2) buy BTCD at the current market price, and then swap it to KMD. Thus Jon eagerly goes to coinmarketcap.com and searches for BTCD price. He finds the BTCD price is only 0.003853 BTC/BTCD !

Jon quickly calculates that with 1 BTC he can buy 260 BTCD's! Then he remembers that the Komodo team had fixed the rate to 0.00532 BTC/BTCD. Thus he gets 260BTCD * 0.00532 BTC/BTCD = 1.38 BTC worth of KMD

Buy with BTC on Oct. 15: you get 1.25 BTC worth of KMD
Buy BTCD today and swap: you get 1.38 BTC worth of KMD

Of course you would have to factor in the extra time: if you don't buy BTCD today, you could use your capital elsewhere and make a profit. On the other hand, if you buy BTCD today you will also get the extra revenue asset!

It's a free market and when people realize this the price should be near 0.00425 BTC/BTCD on Oct 15... or even today...?  Smiley

 





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Really interesting project. I'm waiting for ICO start. Good luck devs!

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Another question.
What does BTCD has to do with ICO?
If someone who does not have any BTCD and wishes to buy KMD during ICO, will he have to buy BTCD and swap it for KMD?


When we take into account the bonuses during ICO, we get:

Oct. 15 -           25% bonus  = 0.00425 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 16-22 -      20% bonus  = 0.00443 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 23-29 -      15% bonus  = 0.00462 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 30-Nov 5 - 10% bonus = 0.00483 BTC/BTCD
Nov 6-12 -         5% bonus   = 0.00506 BTC/BTCD
Nov 13-20 -       0% bonus   = 0.00532 BTC/BTCD
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Another question.
What does BTCD has to do with ICO?
If someone who does not have any BTCD and wishes to buy KMD during ICO, will he have to buy BTCD and swap it for KMD?


When we take into account the bonuses during ICO, we get:

Oct. 15 -           25% bonus  = 0.00425 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 16-22 -      20% bonus  = 0.00443 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 23-29 -      15% bonus  = 0.00462 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 30-Nov 5 - 10% bonus = 0.00483 BTC/BTCD
Nov 6-12 -         5% bonus   = 0.00506 BTC/BTCD
Nov 13-20 -       0% bonus   = 0.00532 BTC/BTCD


you can participate with BTCD or BTC






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Another question.
What does BTCD has to do with ICO?
If someone who does not have any BTCD and wishes to buy KMD during ICO, will he have to buy BTCD and swap it for KMD?


When we take into account the bonuses during ICO, we get:

Oct. 15 -           25% bonus  = 0.00425 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 16-22 -      20% bonus  = 0.00443 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 23-29 -      15% bonus  = 0.00462 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 30-Nov 5 - 10% bonus = 0.00483 BTC/BTCD
Nov 6-12 -         5% bonus   = 0.00506 BTC/BTCD
Nov 13-20 -       0% bonus   = 0.00532 BTC/BTCD


Komodo is basically BTCD 2.0 and it is created by the same team (jl777). BTCD has a role to play in Iguana (a SuperNET technology), but in the future Komodo will take over that role. Everything will be moving to Komodo.

You can invest with BTC if you want to, but we also offer a fixed rate of 0.00532 BTC/BTCD for the BTCD holders.

We tried to include all ICO info in detail here: https://steemit.com/komodo/@komodoplatform/komodo-ico-questions-and-answers






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September 07, 2016, 07:53:54 PM
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Another question.
What does BTCD has to do with ICO?
If someone who does not have any BTCD and wishes to buy KMD during ICO, will he have to buy BTCD and swap it for KMD?


When we take into account the bonuses during ICO, we get:

Oct. 15 -           25% bonus  = 0.00425 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 16-22 -      20% bonus  = 0.00443 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 23-29 -      15% bonus  = 0.00462 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 30-Nov 5 - 10% bonus = 0.00483 BTC/BTCD
Nov 6-12 -         5% bonus   = 0.00506 BTC/BTCD
Nov 13-20 -       0% bonus   = 0.00532 BTC/BTCD


Komodo is basically BTCD 2.0 and it is created by the same team (jl777). BTCD has a role to play in Iguana (a SuperNET technology), but in the future Komodo will take over that role. Everything will be moving to Komodo.

You can invest with BTC if you want to, but we also offer a fixed rate of 0.00532 BTC/BTCD for the BTCD holders.

We tried to include all ICO info in detail here: https://steemit.com/komodo/@komodoplatform/komodo-ico-questions-and-answers


I am sorry, I might have not been clear.
I didn't ask about what KDM is and not for people who already have BTCD and what to swap.

I have asked about the role of BTCD here
e.g. Oct. 15 -  25% bonus  = 0.00425 BTC/BTCD
As this is not for BTCD holders, it's for new buyers who want to buy KMD. What's the purpose of BTCD there?
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September 07, 2016, 08:07:03 PM
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Another question.
What does BTCD has to do with ICO?
If someone who does not have any BTCD and wishes to buy KMD during ICO, will he have to buy BTCD and swap it for KMD?


When we take into account the bonuses during ICO, we get:

Oct. 15 -           25% bonus  = 0.00425 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 16-22 -      20% bonus  = 0.00443 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 23-29 -      15% bonus  = 0.00462 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 30-Nov 5 - 10% bonus = 0.00483 BTC/BTCD
Nov 6-12 -         5% bonus   = 0.00506 BTC/BTCD
Nov 13-20 -       0% bonus   = 0.00532 BTC/BTCD


Komodo is basically BTCD 2.0 and it is created by the same team (jl777). BTCD has a role to play in Iguana (a SuperNET technology), but in the future Komodo will take over that role. Everything will be moving to Komodo.

You can invest with BTC if you want to, but we also offer a fixed rate of 0.00532 BTC/BTCD for the BTCD holders.

We tried to include all ICO info in detail here: https://steemit.com/komodo/@komodoplatform/komodo-ico-questions-and-answers


I am sorry, I might have not been clear.
I didn't ask about what KDM is and not for people who already have BTCD and what to swap.

I have asked about the role of BTCD here
e.g. Oct. 15 -  25% bonus  = 0.00425 BTC/BTCD
As this is not for BTCD holders, it's for new buyers who want to buy KMD. What's the purpose of BTCD there?

Is just a typo, It should be BTC/KMD on all those lines.
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September 07, 2016, 08:14:16 PM
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Another question.
What does BTCD has to do with ICO?
If someone who does not have any BTCD and wishes to buy KMD during ICO, will he have to buy BTCD and swap it for KMD?


When we take into account the bonuses during ICO, we get:

Oct. 15 -           25% bonus  = 0.00425 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 16-22 -      20% bonus  = 0.00443 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 23-29 -      15% bonus  = 0.00462 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 30-Nov 5 - 10% bonus = 0.00483 BTC/BTCD
Nov 6-12 -         5% bonus   = 0.00506 BTC/BTCD
Nov 13-20 -       0% bonus   = 0.00532 BTC/BTCD


Komodo is basically BTCD 2.0 and it is created by the same team (jl777). BTCD has a role to play in Iguana (a SuperNET technology), but in the future Komodo will take over that role. Everything will be moving to Komodo.

You can invest with BTC if you want to, but we also offer a fixed rate of 0.00532 BTC/BTCD for the BTCD holders.

We tried to include all ICO info in detail here: https://steemit.com/komodo/@komodoplatform/komodo-ico-questions-and-answers


I am sorry, I might have not been clear.
I didn't ask about what KDM is and not for people who already have BTCD and what to swap.

I have asked about the role of BTCD here
e.g. Oct. 15 -  25% bonus  = 0.00425 BTC/BTCD
As this is not for BTCD holders, it's for new buyers who want to buy KMD. What's the purpose of BTCD there?

Is just a typo, It should be BTC/KMD on all those lines.

No it is not a typo.

That table above shows you the BTCD price levels that you need to buy at to get the same amount of KMD as a person investing into the ICO with BTC that that day.

If you can buy the BTCD under that rate then you would be getting more bonus  Smiley





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September 07, 2016, 08:34:00 PM
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We see your point. We will try to make the ICO as transparent as possible, so everyone understands that BTCD holders can later swap for KMD. The fact that BTCD isn't swapped during ICO makes this thing a lot more complicated.

A little note on this. The true believers in BTCD (and most of them are from the beginning when price was high) don't participate in the % bonus you have in the ICO. That is the part i'm a little disappointing in with. I staked 2 years long to keep the network alive and it feels a little now that we have to stand back in the line and in front of us are the new believers. It doesn't feel right.

I'm sure you have the best intentions with all this, but for me personally it feels like a rip off. Price of BTCD will go until the ICO to the price you guys have decided, so at the end we get nothing while we supported the network and the coin till the end.

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We see your point. We will try to make the ICO as transparent as possible, so everyone understands that BTCD holders can later swap for KMD. The fact that BTCD isn't swapped during ICO makes this thing a lot more complicated.

A little note on this. The true believers in BTCD (and most of them are from the beginning when price was high) don't participate in the % bonus you have in the ICO. That is the part i'm a little disappointing in with. I staked 2 years long to keep the network alive and it feels a little now that we have to stand back in the line and in front of us are the new believers. It doesn't feel right.

I'm sure you have the best intentions with all this, but for me personally it feels like a rip off. Price of BTCD will go until the ICO to the price you guys have decided, so at the end we get nothing while we supported the network and the coin till the end.

Like any company on the stock market you may have invested at a high price only to see the price drop and get taken over. You can't expect to receive an extremely high premium above the original ICO, just not free market. A premium received on current price is the right thing to do.


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September 07, 2016, 11:14:08 PM
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I am disappointed too. I was waiting for this coin to at least get back to the price bought it for 2 years ago, and now you priced it at 0.0053
Just give BTCD holders fixed % of 100 mil KMD.

This.

Atleast it could have been a 50% bonus on the last known price before the announcement. BTCD investors getting the D.

Sorry guys.  It was 100% predictable that ICOscam777 would be giving BTCD investors "the D."

Citation:

BitcoinDark is down over 43% this month. What happend?  Huh

BitcoinDark is a project that will be obsolete before it is (if ever) finished.

Bitcoin has Confidential Transactions on the way.  Monero has Compact Confidential Transactions on the way.

BitcoinDark, besides having a stupid and unforgivably misleading name, is completely useless.

There is nothing to do with BTCD except send them in and out of SuperNet all day.

Investors want RESULTS, not empty PROMISES to finish VAPORWARE.

Ya man, it's been obvious for months that BTCD is a complete scam:

(1)  It's still the same copy/paste coin that any competent crypto Dev could launch in a few days.

(2)  Zero improvements or even a single upgrade since launch in mid-2014.

(3) "Teleport" is just a buzzword in an ancient "dark paper"... unimplemented and will never be peer reviewed.

(4)  The "dividends" are fake...
jl777 pulled at least couple of million $$$ from NXT AE "investors"... then pays you stupid mooks $50, if that.

(5)  InstantDEX doesn't work and nobody understands it... so blaming it on "lack of testers" is laughable.

(6)  Pangea poker is the biggest Red Flag...
The design is something that would be laughed off the web in 2002...
Only a complete idiot would play "poker" with ZERO protection in place against collusion.

(7)  You guys are "investing" in  buzzwords and an Excuse Machine....
While jl777 sits in Riga, Latvia assuming a staunch NATO ally would never extradite him to Lower Manhattan.

tl;dr

You guys are watching a very poorly executed Exit Strategy... it would be infinitely smarter to just disappear.



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September 08, 2016, 03:39:13 AM
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Can you explain the dPoW fees? For example, you say money is needed for that.

Aren't you talking about Bitcoin tx fees here which current optimum is 70 sat per byte or about 17,920sat per tx which is currently about $.10USD.

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yes, but calculate the cost at 33 signers

also for planning purposes I need to account for the possibility of the 1MB blocks filling up and a fee market being created that boosts the txfees significantly

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when whitepaper will be avlbl ?
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when whitepaper will be avlbl ?

We are working on it, there is no exact publication date yet.





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