Is taxation theft?

[E-shipper]

I knew you were a leftist from the first reply you had made to my posts.

Leftists get very triggered from certain taboo topics 

And since you are a leftist, you are probably blaming the employer, ah that dirty burgeoise employer, how dare he pays his employee a fair wage. He should instead be paid a high minimum wage at the expense of firing the other people to gather the money for it (because the money doesnt grow out of nothing), so that the fired employees can live on the street.

Ah damnit stop playing around here, you know that I havent said such things, It was a satire making fun of leftist beliefs. It wasnt even referring to you, but rather your beliefs.

You are a leftist who doesnt have a problem with wealth redistribution, but I do. That is the point that I am trying to make.

I wont even address the other posts, because you are making stuff up

Ah so we finally something interesting here! First argument you give in the whole post but that's an itneresting one!

You're perfectly right in saying I blame the system and not individuals, showing that you're just trolling at the begining of the post. Then why would it be different indeed? Well the fact is that giving power to one individual will change the system, but the change will be very small and hence the system will be able to bend the individual to its necessities. But now imagine you give the power to MILIONS OF INDIVIDUALS. Could the sytem bend the will of all of them? I don't think so.

That's what is called "changing the system". It's when you outweight the current system power by providing a more important power on another side. You can do that either by giving ABSOLUTE power to one individual (that's the main idea of a dictatorship, which wasn't seen as a bad thing for Greeks and Romans for example) or to give a small power to all individuals.

So you are in favor of direct democracy too? Is that the point you are trying to make.

Because believe me it wont work out. Most people will vote left, and that would mean no private property and everyone will live on welfare, and nobody will produce, until it all collapses, and endless misery will come.

Communism has been tried many times, hundreds of millions of people died, it's a very evil system. You should know this.

Unfortunately people do not understand. The Communist leaders always gather around him a band of criminals and misfits. They bring to power tyrants, and for that, with them paying the opportunity to Rob dissidents.

[canah17]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yeah.. Same here >.< now i have learned something about how taxation works >.< i am really grateful to watch this video and thank you i have learned a lot and it's well explained and it even have a demonstration this is one great video but i pay tax and ever had an thought about i just don't care until this video i watched >.< really learn something

[RealBitcoin]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Yeah.. Same here >.< now i have learned something about how taxation works >.< i am really grateful to watch this video and thank you i have learned a lot and it's well explained and it even have a demonstration this is one great video but i pay tax and ever had an thought about i just don't care until this video i watched >.< really learn something

One more addition there that about 50% of the money goes to politicians, either for state funded elections or in their big fat pensions and bonuses that they get when they leave.

Not to mention that most politicians go on holidays on taxpayer money. And a lot more wasteful activities.

The tax money chest is like a honeypot for thieves, because everyone wants some of it: socialists, politicians, bankers ,etc...

[Sponsoredby15]

Taxation for me is necessary, without it any country will have no funds to make progress. The bad thing is that some government officials wastes our money because of corruption. We always buy or pay taxes but where does it go? It's only a crime when it is used for personal pleasures of any government official.

[BADecker]

Taxation for me is necessary, without it any country will have no funds to make progress. The bad thing is that some government officials wastes our money because of corruption. We always buy or pay taxes but where does it go? It's only a crime when it is used for personal pleasures of any government official.

You have a nice start to your thought. But, isn't no taxes the way that it should be? No taxes, no protection, and no progress.

What will happen next if there are no taxes, no protection, and no progress? Either the people will be destroyed, or...

They will VOLUNTARILY get together and BUY the means necessary to save themselves.

In the great nations, let the people buy what they need from government, rather than being taxed. Let the receipt show that such and such is what they have purchased. Let them keep the receipts to show whenever there is a dispute. Buy military protection, just like you buy anything else. That way there will be a proper accounting for the money, and less will be stolen by corrupt government people.

[RealBitcoin]

Unfortunately people do not understand. The Communist leaders always gather around him a band of criminals and misfits. They bring to power tyrants, and for that, with them paying the opportunity to Rob dissidents.

Funny enough that the criminals are againt communism. This doesnt mean that communism is good just because criminals are against it, nor it is an endorsement of criminals just because they are anti communists.

However most criminals are against communism, because communism prohibits them to own private property and do their crimes. Of course communism is 10000x times worse than any criminal you can imagine.

However it's an interesting political balance, because whenever you end a tyrannical government, it gets replaced by an utterly corrupt one, and the country is run over by gangs and mafias.

So it looks like the choice is between criminals (gangs, corrupt politicians, mafias)  or tyrants (very very evil).

And strangely enough, I have observed this pattern to be always true at least in the past 2 centuries it was.

Very sad state of affairs.

[pixie85]

Taxation for me is necessary, without it any country will have no funds to make progress. The bad thing is that some government officials wastes our money because of corruption. We always buy or pay taxes but where does it go? It's only a crime when it is used for personal pleasures of any government official.

You have a nice start to your thought. But, isn't no taxes the way that it should be? No taxes, no protection, and no progress.

What will happen next if there are no taxes, no protection, and no progress? Either the people will be destroyed, or...

They will VOLUNTARILY get together and BUY the means necessary to save themselves.

In the great nations, let the people buy what they need from government, rather than being taxed. Let the receipt show that such and such is what they have purchased. Let them keep the receipts to show whenever there is a dispute. Buy military protection, just like you buy anything else. That way there will be a proper accounting for the money, and less will be stolen by corrupt government people.

You are mixing all taxes together. I can understand the need for police, army and other services, but I see no reason to tax people to cover wages of politicians.

Taxes are wasted on their pensions, parties, travels. Taxes are also wasted on political campaigns and bureaucracy.

[Sithara007]

Taxes are wasted on their pensions, parties, travels. Taxes are also wasted on political campaigns and bureaucracy.

Politics must be a paid profession, with good wages (up to a certain limit). Else the elected officials will ask for bribes and commissions, and qualified people will not attempt to enter politics. It is a necessity.

[BADecker]

Taxes are wasted on their pensions, parties, travels. Taxes are also wasted on political campaigns and bureaucracy.

Politics must be a paid profession, with good wages (up to a certain limit). Else the elected officials will ask for bribes and commissions, and qualified people will not attempt to enter politics. It is a necessity.

Get rid of politicians. Then you won't have to pay them. Buy the governmental service you need from those willing to offer them.

[Klima]

Taxes are wasted on their pensions, parties, travels. Taxes are also wasted on political campaigns and bureaucracy.

Politics must be a paid profession, with good wages (up to a certain limit). Else the elected officials will ask for bribes and commissions, and qualified people will not attempt to enter politics. It is a necessity.

Have you say in Russian:"How many a wolf do not feed, and he still looks to the forest". It is impossible for politicians to pay as much so they don't take bribes. I think that this phenomenon can only stop the cruel punishment and total contro

[darkangel11]

Taxes are wasted on their pensions, parties, travels. Taxes are also wasted on political campaigns and bureaucracy.

Politics must be a paid profession, with good wages (up to a certain limit). Else the elected officials will ask for bribes and commissions, and qualified people will not attempt to enter politics. It is a necessity.

Up to a certain limit. What is the limit then? 3x minimum wage? 5x? In Europe politicians usually get at least 5x the minimum, in some countries 7-8 times that. Additionally they get protection, expensive hotels, first class plane tickets, immunity and so on. If this is what the taxes are wasted on, it's nothing more than a theft.
Saying that if they don't get such high wages they will take bribes is not an explanation.

[TicTacTic]

Taxes are wasted on their pensions, parties, travels. Taxes are also wasted on political campaigns and bureaucracy.

Politics must be a paid profession, with good wages (up to a certain limit). Else the elected officials will ask for bribes and commissions, and qualified people will not attempt to enter politics. It is a necessity.

Up to a certain limit. What is the limit then? 3x minimum wage? 5x? In Europe politicians usually get at least 5x the minimum, in some countries 7-8 times that. Additionally they get protection, expensive hotels, first class plane tickets, immunity and so on. If this is what the taxes are wasted on, it's nothing more than a theft.
Saying that if they don't get such high wages they will take bribes is not an explanation.

I believe that politicians need to ensure that they do not take bribes. If you pay them large salaries it turns out that we buy their honesty. My question is why such a policy needed? You may need to choose others?

[BADecker]

Steal some more from the people


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Universal basic income – or "UBI", as the cognoscenti call it – is, in theory, wonderfully appealing. The idea is that rather than doling out benefits, the state guarantees every citizen a certain lump sum per year, handed out regardless of age or need.

You can tweak the model in a host of different ways – by giving higher amounts to the disabled, or the elderly, or smaller amounts to children, or by withdrawing the payment as earnings increase (which is how UBI's sibling, the negative income tax, works). But the essence is that everyone gets the bare minimum needed to get by.

This has numerous theoretical advantages.

Read more at https://fee.org/articles/a-universal-basic-income-would-mean-massive-tax-hikes/.

[RealBitcoin]

Steal some more from the people


A Universal Basic Income Would Mean Massive Tax Hikes

No, UBI cannot raise the taxes, as taxes are already at their maximum. In some countries you pay up to 80% taxes if you add them all together.

There is nowhere you can raise them anymore.


So it will just probably mean hyperinflation. Money printing is what they will do if they get their way.

It is really one of the most moronic theories I have ever heard, but it will be devastating to global economy if they implement it.

[BADecker]

Steal some more from the people


A Universal Basic Income Would Mean Massive Tax Hikes

No, UBI cannot raise the taxes, as taxes are already at their maximum. In some countries you pay up to 80% taxes if you add them all together.

There is nowhere you can raise them anymore.


So it will just probably mean hyperinflation. Money printing is what they will do if they get their way.

It is really one of the most moronic theories I have ever heard, but it will be devastating to global economy if they implement it.

The point against universal income (tax) is this.

Work on a job. Get paid. Period.

Work on a job. Send money to government so they can steal some. Get paid less by government.

Want a government service? Get rid of taxes, and buy it from government. This way government will have to become competitive. If they aren't competitive, you will go somewhere else for your government services. We will get rid of the leaching politicians that way.

[Sithara007]

Taxes are wasted on their pensions, parties, travels. Taxes are also wasted on political campaigns and bureaucracy.

Politics must be a paid profession, with good wages (up to a certain limit). Else the elected officials will ask for bribes and commissions, and qualified people will not attempt to enter politics. It is a necessity.

Have you say in Russian:"How many a wolf do not feed, and he still looks to the forest". It is impossible for politicians to pay as much so they don't take bribes. I think that this phenomenon can only stop the cruel punishment and total contro

I don't know. But in my opinion, the corruption will be reduced massively, if the elected officials receive the deserved salary for their job. But I agree that there will always be a few who remain greedy despite of how much they are able to earn legally.

[BADecker]

Taxes are wasted on their pensions, parties, travels. Taxes are also wasted on political campaigns and bureaucracy.

Politics must be a paid profession, with good wages (up to a certain limit). Else the elected officials will ask for bribes and commissions, and qualified people will not attempt to enter politics. It is a necessity.

Have you say in Russian:"How many a wolf do not feed, and he still looks to the forest". It is impossible for politicians to pay as much so they don't take bribes. I think that this phenomenon can only stop the cruel punishment and total contro

I don't know. But in my opinion, the corruption will be reduced massively, if the elected officials receive the deserved salary for their job. But I agree that there will always be a few who remain greedy despite of how much they are able to earn legally.

The corruption would be reduced completely if we gave politicians the tax money they deserve... $0.00.

[Kvazimoda]

Taxes are wasted on their pensions, parties, travels. Taxes are also wasted on political campaigns and bureaucracy.

Politics must be a paid profession, with good wages (up to a certain limit). Else the elected officials will ask for bribes and commissions, and qualified people will not attempt to enter politics. It is a necessity.

Have you say in Russian:"How many a wolf do not feed, and he still looks to the forest". It is impossible for politicians to pay as much so they don't take bribes. I think that this phenomenon can only stop the cruel punishment and total contro

I don't know. But in my opinion, the corruption will be reduced massively, if the elected officials receive the deserved salary for their job. But I agree that there will always be a few who remain greedy despite of how much they are able to earn legally.

The key word in your post is "well-earned salary". It seems to me that very few MPs deserve a salary. This will occur until until you enter a clear and rapid procedure for recall of a Deputy.

[RealBitcoin]

Want a government service? Get rid of taxes, and buy it from government. This way government will have to become competitive. If they aren't competitive, you will go somewhere else for your government services. We will get rid of the leaching politicians that way.

What a crazy idea is that.

You mean teachers actually have to be nice to kids in school, and the teachers who beat the kids and yell at them will be locked up in mental health institutions instead of raising the next generation of slaves?

OMG you must be an extremist.


I have been beated by my teachers when I was 7, and they constantly yelled at us, and intimidated us. One teacher went as far as failing a guy, just because he corrected him on an issue where the teacher was wrong. No you cant do that, you must obey them like a good little slave.


I believe if your ideas get implemented, 90% of the teachers will become jobless, or end up in mental health instititions, and the kids will actually grow up without any suffering  

[igorokavg13]

Want a government service? Get rid of taxes, and buy it from government. This way government will have to become competitive. If they aren't competitive, you will go somewhere else for your government services. We will get rid of the leaching politicians that way.

What a crazy idea is that.

You mean teachers actually have to be nice to kids in school, and the teachers who beat the kids and yell at them will be locked up in mental health institutions instead of raising the next generation of slaves?

OMG you must be an extremist.


I have been beated by my teachers when I was 7, and they constantly yelled at us, and intimidated us. One teacher went as far as failing a guy, just because he corrected him on an issue where the teacher was wrong. No you cant do that, you must obey them like a good little slave.


I believe if your ideas get implemented, 90% of the teachers will become jobless, or end up in mental health instititions, and the kids will actually grow up without any suffering  

No need to wait for time to pass. The teachers all have a mental disorder. This is a professional disease. I really find working with children very nervous and would never have become a teacher.