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Question: 1/24 Closing Price:
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$32,000-$33,000 - 3 (7%)
$33,000-$34,000 - 1 (2.3%)
$34,000-$35,000 - 3 (7%)
$35,000-$36,000 - 4 (9.3%)
$36,000-$37,000 - 5 (11.6%)
$37,000-$38,000 - 3 (7%)
$38,000-$39,000 - 1 (2.3%)
$39,000-$40,000 - 3 (7%)
$40,000-$41,000 - 2 (4.7%)
$41,000-$42,000 - 0 (0%)
>$42,000 - 10 (23.3%)
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May 16, 2014, 05:26:48 AM

at current prices risk/reward ratio for bit coin is not that great, market is practically frozen so trading is almost impossible, so they are gradually moving out to other investments.

I don't see how someone rational can come to that conclusion.
Risk/reward ratio not that great ?

People who evaluate the risk/reward ratio of bitcoin as poor really deserve to sell now, more or less at the bottom.
I don't think there is any investment that has a better risk/reward ratio - unless you are extremely risk averse.


Correct

Bitcoin is the poster child of HIGH risk reward ratio

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May 16, 2014, 05:27:57 AM

at current prices risk/reward ratio for bit coin is not that great, market is practically frozen so trading is almost impossible, so they are gradually moving out to other investments.

I don't see how someone rational can come to that conclusion.
Risk/reward ratio not that great ?

People who evaluate the risk/reward ratio of bitcoin as poor really deserve to sell now, more or less at the bottom.
I don't think there is any investment that has a better risk/reward ratio - unless you are extremely risk averse.


LOL, it does seem that I am not only "irrational" person here - somehow we do not see many people buying this "best investment ever". I am not selling either, I have never owned a bit coin. I am just sharing how it looks like form my perspective as someone who was interested in investing in bit coin since beginning of this year but decided recently to move on.

Good ...bye bye

Wait ..you are still hanging around here like a old fart that wont go away ...Huh??
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May 16, 2014, 05:28:02 AM

at current prices risk/reward ratio for bit coin is not that great, market is practically frozen so trading is almost impossible, so they are gradually moving out to other investments.

I don't see how someone rational can come to that conclusion.
Risk/reward ratio not that great ?

People who evaluate the risk/reward ratio of bitcoin as poor really deserve to sell now, more or less at the bottom.
I don't think there is any investment that has a better risk/reward ratio - unless you are extremely risk averse.


LOL, it does seem that I am not only "irrational" person here - somehow we do not see many people buying this "best investment ever". I am not selling either, I have never owned a bit coin. I am just sharing how it looks like form my perspective as someone who was interested in investing in bit coin since beginning of this year but decided recently to move on.

EDIT: I am not risk averse at all - I have been trading penny stocks and options at college already Wink Bitcoin has been best investment ever early on, but at this point in time I see better options. We will see in a couple of years who was right.
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May 16, 2014, 05:30:41 AM

at current prices risk/reward ratio for bit coin is not that great, market is practically frozen so trading is almost impossible, so they are gradually moving out to other investments.

I don't see how someone rational can come to that conclusion.
Risk/reward ratio not that great ?

People who evaluate the risk/reward ratio of bitcoin as poor really deserve to sell now, more or less at the bottom.
I don't think there is any investment that has a better risk/reward ratio - unless you are extremely risk averse.


LOL, it does seem that I am not only "irrational" person here - somehow we do not see many people buying this "best investment ever". I am not selling either, I have never owned a bit coin. I am just sharing how it looks like form my perspective as someone who was interested in investing in bit coin since beginning of this year but decided recently to move on.

Good ...bye bye

Wait ..you are still hanging around here like a old fart that wont go away ...Huh??

I am afraid I become another Jorge - observing bit coin attics is very interesting and sometimes amusing, especially when you have no money invested. I am also still interested in crypto currencies and may change my decision about not investing in bit coin if price will go lower.
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May 16, 2014, 05:41:45 AM

at current prices risk/reward ratio for bit coin is not that great, market is practically frozen so trading is almost impossible, so they are gradually moving out to other investments.

I don't see how someone rational can come to that conclusion.
Risk/reward ratio not that great ?

People who evaluate the risk/reward ratio of bitcoin as poor really deserve to sell now, more or less at the bottom.
I don't think there is any investment that has a better risk/reward ratio - unless you are extremely risk averse.


LOL, it does seem that I am not only "irrational" person here - somehow we do not see many people buying this "best investment ever". I am not selling either, I have never owned a bit coin. I am just sharing how it looks like form my perspective as someone who was interested in investing in bit coin since beginning of this year but decided recently to move on.

Well I am buying. And all the bitcoins for sale at 400-430 have been bought. If you have BTC for sale at 430, contact me.
Enough people are buying to take out of the market all mined coins, seized coins, stolen coins for sale and all the coins used for purchases.
We were not seeing many people buying during all flat periods. Normal, healthy.
Actually many more people are buying BTC during this flat period than during all past flat periods, at least in USD terms.
Wedge is going all the way to mid-june, we should remain more or less flat until then.
Everything happens through cycles. Most of the buying of bitcoin happens during short periods of time when people become afraid of missing out. Nobody knows when such period will start again. Many know that it will soon enough.
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May 16, 2014, 05:42:43 AM

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I am afraid I become another Jorge - observing bit coin attics is very interesting and sometimes amusing, especially when you have no money invested. I am also still interested in crypto currencies and may change my decision about not investing in bit coin if price will go lower.

Say "bit coin" one more time!
It's bitcoin!
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May 16, 2014, 05:46:57 AM

It's Thursday, is this just the Bitcoin Investment Trust on its weekly shopping spree?

Yeah, this time they bought ~341 BTC.

Actually, I am not sure if it is bullish - they keep buying but the price stays the same. Think what would happen if they would stop buying - or start selling.


I wouldn't think too much about it... hehehe.

Why? They sort of have a "ticking bomb" design - you are only allowed to sell after holding for 6 months. So they may have many investor who bought high and want out, but they have to wait some time, until this 6 months will pass.


You have been reading too many of Jorge's posts.    Cheesy   

What I mean is that the potential negative scenario that you are describing is NOT as highly likely as you are making it out to be.   

In this regard, if an investment fund is attempting to appeal to institutional investors or larger investors with a longer time horizon, the larger investors know the drill and they understand the terms of the agreement in that the investment is longer term (and NOT trading), and the investor understands the need to stick with the minimum time-period whether good or bad, and hopefully institutional investors and investment funds are sufficiently diversified in order to have varying performance of different assets that are contained within their portfolio.

I am of the belief that there are trade offs, and different kinds of investments appeal to different kinds of investors.  Even though  some kinds of investments may NOT be suitable for a day trader, institutional investors are usually long term... or at least longer term in their choices, and 6 months is NOT a burdensome commitment for an institutional investor.






I agree that institutional investors act very differently than most individual investors or people around here. But Second Market is not for institutional investors, it is for individual folks, just a bit more wealthy than average. The "first 6 month selling ban" is not a guideline, it is simply prohibited. Meaning that Second Market believed their investor would be prone to panic selling, just as the regular folks. So far, their have pretty bad record of buying high, that is why I believe they would be also prone to selling low. Not Barry fault at all, he has on influence on these decision other than this 6 months selling ban.

Btw, you sound a bit if you believe I am trying to sell some agenda. I am just expressing my views, like anybody else on this forum. I am neither long or short in bit coin, and actually decided not to buy it, so I would not gain whatever happens with the price.



I may have been a little accusatory in my tone; however, I did NOT mean anything personal.   I was merely attempting to make the point that businesses may structure themselves in various ways in order to attract a certain kind of clientele.  Whether that structure/approach is a good business strategy or NOT, we cannot always be sure.   I suppose that if I was accusing you of anything, then the accusation would be that you seemed to have been, in my thinking, too critical of Second Market's business strategy, and I personally, do NOT see their business strategy as a problem, unless they were engaging in some kind of trickery (which does NOT seem to be the case).  In essence, whether Second Market is attempting to appeal to institutional investors or regular individuals, you seem to be conceding that they are attempting to appeal to longer term investors rather than day traders.  In my thinking, absent other variations, the targeting of longer term investors could be a good marketing strategy for second market, as a business, and it can be good for bitcoin to have various options in the kinds of investments that you can make (depending upon whether you are willing and/or able to meet their conditions). 

In the end, it seems that we do NOT really disagree, and we are phrasing matters a little bit differently.  In the end,  I learned from your responses.  Wink







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May 16, 2014, 05:49:21 AM

at current prices risk/reward ratio for bit coin is not that great, market is practically frozen so trading is almost impossible, so they are gradually moving out to other investments.

I don't see how someone rational can come to that conclusion.
Risk/reward ratio not that great ?

People who evaluate the risk/reward ratio of bitcoin as poor really deserve to sell now, more or less at the bottom.
I don't think there is any investment that has a better risk/reward ratio - unless you are extremely risk averse.


LOL, it does seem that I am not only "irrational" person here - somehow we do not see many people buying this "best investment ever". I am not selling either, I have never owned a bit coin. I am just sharing how it looks like form my perspective as someone who was interested in investing in bit coin since beginning of this year but decided recently to move on.

EDIT: I am not risk averse at all - I have been trading penny stocks and options at college already Wink Bitcoin has been best investment ever early on, but at this point in time I see better options. We will see in a couple of years who was right.

You really have no idea do you

"Couple of Years" I loled

Also what OTHER OPPORTUNITIES have the potential to give you a 1000% return that are not on late night shoppiung channel

"The exciting world of Ostrich Farms"
"Binary trading"

Enter your sugestion here ___________  ?
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I am afraid I become another Jorge - observing bit coin attics is very interesting and sometimes amusing, especially when you have no money invested. I am also still interested in crypto currencies and may change my decision about not investing in bit coin if price will go lower.

Say "bit coin" one more time!
It's bitcoin!

I know Sad. But it is being autocorrected for me. Is there a way to switch it off?
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May 16, 2014, 05:54:04 AM

at current prices risk/reward ratio for bit coin is not that great, market is practically frozen so trading is almost impossible, so they are gradually moving out to other investments.

I don't see how someone rational can come to that conclusion.
Risk/reward ratio not that great ?

People who evaluate the risk/reward ratio of bitcoin as poor really deserve to sell now, more or less at the bottom.
I don't think there is any investment that has a better risk/reward ratio - unless you are extremely risk averse.


LOL, it does seem that I am not only "irrational" person here - somehow we do not see many people buying this "best investment ever". I am not selling either, I have never owned a bit coin. I am just sharing how it looks like form my perspective as someone who was interested in investing in bit coin since beginning of this year but decided recently to move on.

EDIT: I am not risk averse at all - I have been trading penny stocks and options at college already Wink Bitcoin has been best investment ever early on, but at this point in time I see better options. We will see in a couple of years who was right.

You really have no idea do you

"Couple of Years" I loled

Also what OTHER OPPORTUNITIES have the potential to give you a 1000% return that are not on late night shoppiung channel

"The exciting world of Ostrich Farms"
"Binary trading"

Enter your sugestion here ___________  ?

Well, you are apparently one of the believers that if the price raised 10 times last year, it will most likely raise 10 times this year and next. I do not believe in exponential growth line - just normal markets bull and bear cycles. Now I guess I will be asked again to leave this discussion forum that sometimes resembles more a support group Wink.
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May 16, 2014, 05:57:52 AM

at current prices risk/reward ratio for bit coin is not that great, market is practically frozen so trading is almost impossible, so they are gradually moving out to other investments.

I don't see how someone rational can come to that conclusion.
Risk/reward ratio not that great ?

People who evaluate the risk/reward ratio of bitcoin as poor really deserve to sell now, more or less at the bottom.
I don't think there is any investment that has a better risk/reward ratio - unless you are extremely risk averse.


LOL, it does seem that I am not only "irrational" person here - somehow we do not see many people buying this "best investment ever". I am not selling either, I have never owned a bit coin. I am just sharing how it looks like form my perspective as someone who was interested in investing in bit coin since beginning of this year but decided recently to move on.

Well I am buying. And all the bitcoins for sale at 400-430 have been bought. If you have BTC for sale at 430, contact me.
Enough people are buying to take out of the market all mined coins, seized coins, stolen coins for sale and all the coins used for purchases.
We were not seeing many people buying during all flat periods. Normal, healthy.
Actually many more people are buying BTC during this flat period than during all past flat periods, at least in USD terms.
Wedge is going all the way to mid-june, we should remain more or less flat until then.
Everything happens through cycles. Most of the buying of bitcoin happens during short periods of time when people become afraid of missing out. Nobody knows when such period will start again. Many know that it will soon enough.

As I said, I never owned bitcoin, so I could never sell them, neither and I do not have any for sale. If by some strange coincidence I would have some at this moment (meaning I would still not sell in the 6th month of the bear market) I would most likely hold now, the market seems indecisive and may go up or down or worse stay like that for months.

EDIT: I understand that your "contact me to sell at $430 was mostly rhetoric - but why any rational person do it if they can be sold higher on any exchange?
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May 16, 2014, 05:58:49 AM

Why the dump on Huobi? Can't find anything about it. Help me

Why not? I mean, nobody is asking "why the pump?", why do we need a special reason for the dump? Just basic laws of demand and supply - apparently not enough buyers atm at Huobi to support the current price. Knowing Huobi, 15 mins from now it can change dramatically again  Wink Wink

Maybe, but looking at the charts it was a significant dump. It's not common whale behavior and definitely not a smart move. Why would he exit with a market sell? There are some rumors about bad news in the upcoming weekend, but I honestly can't find anything else. Until I find more information I'll assume that he dumped... because he wanted to dump, right

He may be dumping b/c he is hoping for a reaction from other exchanges, and when he does NOT get very much of a reaction, then he may decide to adjust his BTC buy/sell/hodl strategy and rethink the responsiveness of the rest of the BTC market to chinese exchanges.  It may be the case that if the various chinese exchanges have become less liquid, the those chinese exchanges are going to have to adjust BTC prices downward somewhat b/c of that  illiquitity?  If in the future, the chinese exchanges return to a more liquid status, then BTC prices can be more closely aligned with other exchanges.  In other words, the chinese exchanges may be coming to learn that their status has been downgraded and the BTC price market is finding a new comfortable downgraded equilibrium.  5-10% downgrade?
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May 16, 2014, 05:59:27 AM

at current prices risk/reward ratio for bit coin is not that great, market is practically frozen so trading is almost impossible, so they are gradually moving out to other investments.

I don't see how someone rational can come to that conclusion.
Risk/reward ratio not that great ?

People who evaluate the risk/reward ratio of bitcoin as poor really deserve to sell now, more or less at the bottom.
I don't think there is any investment that has a better risk/reward ratio - unless you are extremely risk averse.


LOL, it does seem that I am not only "irrational" person here - somehow we do not see many people buying this "best investment ever". I am not selling either, I have never owned a bit coin. I am just sharing how it looks like form my perspective as someone who was interested in investing in bit coin since beginning of this year but decided recently to move on.

EDIT: I am not risk averse at all - I have been trading penny stocks and options at college already Wink Bitcoin has been best investment ever early on, but at this point in time I see better options. We will see in a couple of years who was right.

You really have no idea do you

"Couple of Years" I loled

Also what OTHER OPPORTUNITIES have the potential to give you a 1000% return that are not on late night shoppiung channel

"The exciting world of Ostrich Farms"
"Binary trading"

Enter your sugestion here ___________  ?

Well, you are apparently one of the believers that if the price raised 10 times last year, it will most likely raise 10 times this year and next. I do not believe in exponential growth line - just normal markets bull and bear cycles. Now I guess I will be asked again to leave this discussion forum that sometimes resembles more a support group Wink.

Ah grass hopper I have been through 3 of these not 1 like you youngsters have as THEIR view of a THING

It has had 100000% growth since inception

On LTC I have personally made 10x growth 3 times I have turned 4c into $39 & cashed out

You seem to not see the big picture of what this is ..I have been working building banking and billing systems in the finance sector for many many years and your dont understand the disruptive impact of what crypto is

You are going to be kicking yourself as to an oppurtunity lost but I am keen to get your views quoted for prosperity so we can all have a laugh and a giggle later down the track Cheesy

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Don't you know that because price went from 10 to 1000, that it will go from 400 to 40000 just as easily?
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May 16, 2014, 06:02:19 AM

Chinese miners still gotta sell.

asicminer is in china, right?

I don't hear much about them anymore...

anyways, I gotta get some sleep, so at the risk of being spammy I'll drop this link one more time.

http://youtu.be/XcGh1Dex4Yo?t=1h14m39s

good night now!

the price of bitcoin is highly correlated to the number of post in this thread, spam away  Cheesy

Even when we are writing about bullshit politics, such as the role of government in the "new" bitcoin world?  versus the role of libertarianism ?   versus the role of anarchy?  versus the role of socialism?  And other irrelevant matters that we do NOT really agree or know anything about?   Cheesy  for example ripple  ?   Cheesy
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Lots of good news everyday. The next bull run will be out of this world !


Please define: "out of this world!"
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at current prices risk/reward ratio for bit coin is not that great, market is practically frozen so trading is almost impossible, so they are gradually moving out to other investments.

I don't see how someone rational can come to that conclusion.
Risk/reward ratio not that great ?

People who evaluate the risk/reward ratio of bitcoin as poor really deserve to sell now, more or less at the bottom.
I don't think there is any investment that has a better risk/reward ratio - unless you are extremely risk averse.


LOL, it does seem that I am not only "irrational" person here - somehow we do not see many people buying this "best investment ever". I am not selling either, I have never owned a bit coin. I am just sharing how it looks like form my perspective as someone who was interested in investing in bit coin since beginning of this year but decided recently to move on.

EDIT: I am not risk averse at all - I have been trading penny stocks and options at college already Wink Bitcoin has been best investment ever early on, but at this point in time I see better options. We will see in a couple of years who was right.

You really have no idea do you

"Couple of Years" I loled

Also what OTHER OPPORTUNITIES have the potential to give you a 1000% return that are not on late night shoppiung channel

"The exciting world of Ostrich Farms"
"Binary trading"

Enter your sugestion here ___________  ?

Well, you are apparently one of the believers that if the price raised 10 times last year, it will most likely raise 10 times this year and next. I do not believe in exponential growth line - just normal markets bull and bear cycles. Now I guess I will be asked again to leave this discussion forum that sometimes resembles more a support group Wink.

Ah grass hopper I have been through 3 of these not 1 like you youngsters have as THEIR view of a THING

It has had 100000% growth since inception

On LTC I have personally made 10x growth 3 times I have turned 4c into $39 & cashed out

You seem to not see the big picture of what this is ..I have been working building banking and billing systems in the finance sector for many many years and your dont understand the disruptive impact of what crypto is

You are going to be kicking yourself as to an oppurtunity lost but I am keen to get your views quoted for prosperity so we can all have a laugh and a giggle later down the track Cheesy



First of all, my opinion is not on bitcoin, strictly on its price. Second, I agree that crypto will revolutionize the finances. Just decided not to buy bitcoin atm, is all Wink.

BTW, I am not trying to write some manifesto on my personal investing philosophy. Somebody asked why the price falling without any bad news. I tried to answer as a representative of people having money put aside for high risk investments and being able to buy btc instantly, but nevertheless not buying them atm.
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May 16, 2014, 06:11:50 AM

at current prices risk/reward ratio for bit coin is not that great, market is practically frozen so trading is almost impossible, so they are gradually moving out to other investments.

I don't see how someone rational can come to that conclusion.
Risk/reward ratio not that great ?

People who evaluate the risk/reward ratio of bitcoin as poor really deserve to sell now, more or less at the bottom.
I don't think there is any investment that has a better risk/reward ratio - unless you are extremely risk averse.


It is funny how blind people are. What exactly has better risk/reward? There is none.

Bitcoin has a small risk of going to zero, perhaps 3% annualized. That is about the same as fiat cash, or stocks, so we are talking about a net zero risk.

Bitcoin's volatility is high, but the historical return is still so good that 60% of every 30-day periods are positive and in Bitcoin's history there has not been a negative year, for example. No matter which investment length period you take, and compare bitcoin with anything else, they come out a winner. So the volatility is not a problem - bitcoins have been the least risk investment on the planet for the last 5 years, because they have never returned a loss after 2 years which all the others have.

The return is very good, about 1000% per year, which is higher than the returns of competing investments in the expected range of -5%...10% of returns.

Currently there are about a million Bitcoin holders, which is so small that even after 10x growth from here, we are still in "innovators" and not even "early adopters" category. Furthermore, less than 100,000 people actually use Bitcoin. The potential for growth is staggering.

The timing for investment, as measured by any growth trendline, is excellent right now, as the overshoot of the previous bubble has been purged, yet the infrastructure is growing, and the new wave of investors (in 10s of millions) is just waiting for the signal to enter.
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May 16, 2014, 06:12:57 AM

Don't you know that because price went from 10 to 1000, that it will go from 400 to 40000 just as easily?

And from 40,000 to 4,000,000 just as easily? Yeah, it is exactly the part I am not "getting". Perhaps because I am a mathematician and vaguely remember from school that amount of money in the Universe is finite Wink. But you are just trolling, right?
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