cbeast
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August 20, 2015, 04:21:58 PM |
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Advice: Just think of XT as a security valve. If the core deadlock continues, the miners will opt out  And leave Bitcoin in the hands of "benevolent" dictator Mike Hearn and his blacklists? Sure...  There are no devs working on Bitcoin atm. They are all working on altcoins if you also include XT in that category. |
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brg444
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August 20, 2015, 04:22:57 PM |
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Advice: Just think of XT as a security valve. If the core deadlock continues, the miners will opt out And leave Bitcoin in the hands of "benevolent" dictator Mike Hearn and his blacklists? Sure... There are no devs working on Bitcoin atm. They are all working on altcoins if you also include XT in that category.  what are you talking about |
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brg444
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August 20, 2015, 04:23:35 PM |
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Advice: Just think of XT as a security valve. If the core deadlock continues, the miners will opt out And leave Bitcoin in the hands of "benevolent" dictator Mike Hearn and his blacklists? Sure... ... there is no reason why the core devs can't update the fork when the dust settles. "Update the fork" ? How is that suppose to work again? |
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cbeast
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August 20, 2015, 04:26:39 PM |
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Advice: Just think of XT as a security valve. If the core deadlock continues, the miners will opt out And leave Bitcoin in the hands of "benevolent" dictator Mike Hearn and his blacklists? Sure... There are no devs working on Bitcoin atm. They are all working on altcoins if you also include XT in that category. what are you talking about Aren't they all working on sidechains, LN, Eth, and XT? |
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Fatman3001
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August 20, 2015, 04:30:19 PM |
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Advice: Just think of XT as a security valve. If the core deadlock continues, the miners will opt out And leave Bitcoin in the hands of "benevolent" dictator Mike Hearn and his blacklists? Sure... ... there is no reason why the core devs can't update the fork when the dust settles. "Update the fork" ? How is that suppose to work again? You just negotiate a deal with the NSA where you provide chinese miners as slaves in return for access to the mothership. Or find common ground with the XT team and agree on an update. Or just do what Gavin and Hearn is doing. Nahh.. NSA/Mothership. |
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brg444
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August 20, 2015, 04:31:44 PM |
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Advice: Just think of XT as a security valve. If the core deadlock continues, the miners will opt out And leave Bitcoin in the hands of "benevolent" dictator Mike Hearn and his blacklists? Sure... There are no devs working on Bitcoin atm. They are all working on altcoins if you also include XT in that category. what are you talking about Aren't they all working on sidechains, LN, Eth, and XT? Oh yeah you right! BTW I just spoke with one of them and they'd ask that you stop looking over their shoulders. It's your breath they say. It stinks of bullshit. |
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brg444
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August 20, 2015, 04:34:21 PM |
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Advice: Just think of XT as a security valve. If the core deadlock continues, the miners will opt out And leave Bitcoin in the hands of "benevolent" dictator Mike Hearn and his blacklists? Sure... ... there is no reason why the core devs can't update the fork when the dust settles. "Update the fork" ? How is that suppose to work again? You just negotiate a deal with the NSA where you provide chinese miners as slaves in return for access to the mothership. Or find common ground with the XT team and agree on an update. Or just do what Gavin and Hearn is doing. Nahh.. NSA/Mothership. common ground with the XT team ??  you haven't been following too well have you. there is no place for common ground in XT: https://bitcoinxt.software/faq.html#who-is-involvedDecisions are made through agreement between Mike and Gavin, with Mike making the final call if a serious dispute were to arise. |
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cbeast
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August 20, 2015, 04:37:36 PM |
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Advice: Just think of XT as a security valve. If the core deadlock continues, the miners will opt out And leave Bitcoin in the hands of "benevolent" dictator Mike Hearn and his blacklists? Sure... There are no devs working on Bitcoin atm. They are all working on altcoins if you also include XT in that category. what are you talking about Aren't they all working on sidechains, LN, Eth, and XT? Oh yeah you right! BTW I just spoke with one of them and they'd ask that you stop looking over their shoulders. It's your breath they say. It stinks of bullshit. Maybe a bit obtuse and hyperbolic, but my point is that this schism is causing less and slower pull requests from Github. By now there should be a major corporation developing Bitcoin. |
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JorgeStolfi
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August 20, 2015, 04:45:55 PM |
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indeed, if you don't trust Mike and Gavin's XT code, but (for some unfathomable reason) you do trust Adam and Greg's Core, and Wladimir, Jorge, Pieter, Matt, Todd, Mark and all the others
You pathetic pathological lying POS These developers are listed on Blockstream's "Team" page: Adam Back (President), Greg Maxwell, Pieter Wuille, Matt Corallo, Mark Friedenbach, Rusty Russell, Patrick "Intersango" Strateman, Jorge Timón, and Glen Willen. There may be others. Luke "Tonal" Jr works for Blockstream as contractor. Peter Todd works half-time for Viacoin, an altcoin that claims to be bitcoin done right -- e.g. with 25 times faster confirms. Who is paying Wladimir's salary now? |
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sAt0sHiFanClub
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August 20, 2015, 04:58:28 PM |
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common ground with the XT team ?? you haven't been following too well have you. there is no place for common ground in XT I think there is just no humour left in your world. I'd say there are plenty who dont want to hang out in the dark corners of your world. |
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August 20, 2015, 04:59:18 PM |
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Advice: Just think of XT as a security valve. If the core deadlock continues, the miners will opt out And leave Bitcoin in the hands of "benevolent" dictator Mike Hearn and his blacklists? Sure... Bitcoin XT is the only viable implementation of BIP 101, that is the only reason miners and node hosts are switching, if you had been paying attention this debate it about avoiding dictatorships not supporting them. Mile knows as well as you that fungibility ( no black green or red lists) is essential for bitcoin to succeed as money, he discussed an idea and yes I agree with you, that he even entertained the idea is a little disturbing. if he is as clueless as you it will be much easier to not employ his changes than it is to improve bitcoin with BIP101. |
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August 20, 2015, 05:02:27 PM |
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bassclef
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August 20, 2015, 05:17:30 PM |
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indeed, if you don't trust Mike and Gavin's XT code, but (for some unfathomable reason) you do trust Adam and Greg's Core, and Wladimir, Jorge, Pieter, Matt, Todd, Mark and all the others
You pathetic pathological lying POS These developers are listed on Blockstream's "Team" page: Adam Back (President), Greg Maxwell, Pieter Wuille, Matt Corallo, Mark Friedenbach, Rusty Russell, Patrick "Intersango" Strateman, Jorge Timón, and Glen Willen. There may be others. Luke "Tonal" Jr works for Blockstream as contractor. Peter Todd works half-time for Viacoin, an altcoin that claims to be bitcoin done right -- e.g. with 25 times faster confirms. Who is paying Wladimir's salary now? Oh Jorge, Lambie and all the other regulars who come out when sentiment is low... you know you make excellent buying indicators. Your psychological responses which cause an irresistible desire to discredit Bitcoin are so predictable. "Price crashing... sentiment low... must... discredit Bitcoin... cannot focus... on work... secretly... jealous... gaaaahhhh" |
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brg444
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August 20, 2015, 05:19:34 PM |
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indeed, if you don't trust Mike and Gavin's XT code, but (for some unfathomable reason) you do trust Adam and Greg's Core, and Wladimir, Jorge, Pieter, Matt, Todd, Mark and all the others
You pathetic pathological lying POS These developers are listed on Blockstream's "Team" page: Adam Back (President), Greg Maxwell, Pieter Wuille, Matt Corallo, Mark Friedenbach, Rusty Russell, Patrick "Intersango" Strateman, Jorge Timón, and Glen Willen. There may be others. Luke "Tonal" Jr works for Blockstream as contractor. Peter Todd works half-time for Viacoin, an altcoin that claims to be bitcoin done right -- e.g. with 25 times faster confirms. Who is paying Wladimir's salary now? Who's paying Mike's or Gavin's? You think these two are free from conflict of interest? What really matters is you trolls still haven't been able to put forward a legitimate case of Blockstream benefitting from small blocks that doesn't rely on pure conjecture or total inability to grasp what it is they are doing. |
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Adrian-x
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August 20, 2015, 05:23:54 PM |
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indeed, if you don't trust Mike and Gavin's XT code, but (for some unfathomable reason) you do trust Adam and Greg's Core, and Wladimir, Jorge, Pieter, Matt, Todd, Mark and all the others
You pathetic pathological lying POS These developers are listed on Blockstream's "Team" page: Adam Back (President), Greg Maxwell, Pieter Wuille, Matt Corallo, Mark Friedenbach, Rusty Russell, Patrick "Intersango" Strateman, Jorge Timón, and Glen Willen. There may be others. Luke "Tonal" Jr works for Blockstream as contractor. Peter Todd works half-time for Viacoin, an altcoin that claims to be bitcoin done right -- e.g. with 25 times faster confirms. Who is paying Wladimir's salary now? Who's paying Mike's or Gavin's? You think these two are free from conflict of interest? What really matters is you trolls still haven't been able to put forward a legitimate case of Blockstream benefitting from small blocks that doesn't rely on pure conjecture or total inability to grasp what it is they are doing. I think your hijacking this tread too. (I'm sorry theymos closed down the thread where this debate was happening, some times when the truth is a treat authoritarian interests have to silence it and delete posts.) |
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August 20, 2015, 05:24:12 PM |
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US Postal Service didn't go bankrupt because, unlike Bitcoin, it is "an independent agency of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States." It's a government agency, like FBI and CIA.
Though the importance of USPS has decreased drastically over the years. Let's not send Bitcoin down that road.
There are like 150-200 countries in the world, and each one has its own postal service, so it's not relevant whether the USPS is an agency like FBI and CIA, because most countries don't really have an FBI and a CIA. Where I live, postal services are regarded as something close to a utility company. They just provide a basic service to the people, like the water company or the telcos. You understand that by saying that, you place BTC in the same category as Beanie Babies. The thing about the value of collectibles is it fluctuates wildly, and the same Beanie that was worth thousands one day is worth $5 now. Prophetic?
Works of art, collectible coins of certain age and high quality, rare antiques etc etc, always go up in value and they definitely don't fall over a cliff overnight. Now, beanie babies, that's a different story altogether. "By necessity"? Why?
Because some parameters, when adjusted either way, work as a tradeoff. You gain something, you lose something else. I can gain more tx/s, but I'll lose in terms of decentralization, people accepting to join Bitcoin by downloading the client, etc etc. Not sure what you mean.
I mean that the price per KB that we are currently paying, will seem absurdly low in a couple of years. It will also seem absurd that we were allowing dust transactions to take place and bloat the database at virtually no cost. |
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August 20, 2015, 05:24:38 PM |
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can we have a sort of crowdfunding to pay core devs? like "put your money where your mouth is"? where is the Bitcoin Foundation when you really need them?
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August 20, 2015, 05:26:10 PM |
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let them have their fork, and then good riddance of them retards whilst sane people would keep bitcoin core.
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August 20, 2015, 05:28:38 PM |
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I will provide my signature if someone will make a vote campaign for the one and only real Bitcoin core client.
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bassclef
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August 20, 2015, 05:36:22 PM |
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About 12% of nodes are running XT with zero blocks mined.
If this number doesn't start rising XT will be DOA, Bitcoin will have worked as intended, and Gavin/Mike will have egg on their face for unnecessarily causing a rift and spooking the market.
I support a block size increase but not something as contentious as XT. There has to be a better solution.
Personally I think this will blow over soon and better solutions will be found.
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