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[drbrockcoin]

BULLISH for BTC? Either way fuck you Trump



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[sirazimuth]

Breaking News:

Even Cristiano Ronaldo is now mining crypto currencies !!!!

Just visit http://www.cristianoronaldo.com/ and pay attention to your cpu workload.




ROFL.

highly doubt Renaldeo (or wtf his name is) knows how to code miner infected web page script.
more than likely his  IT team stealing Monero (wild guess) cpu cycles  from the less than intelligent fan base .
sneaky little bastards! ..
 
hmmmm...    well goddamn thats ingenious! I gotta get me a website like that!

[Odalv]

To split your coins
On BTC chain you have some coins in address (A), you send your coins to another address you own (B), and include a further special recipient address 3Bit1xA4apyzgmFNT2k8Pvnd6zb6TnwcTi  to whom you send a few satoshis. (You have to use send to many option in your wallet, to send them at once).
Any transactions that contain this special address will be ignored by 2X miners.
Once this is successful, you will have your BTC in an address(B) you own.

IIUC, I would not employ this mechanism for my coins. The part that I have underlined seems to require full faith in what the miners will do. You have no a priori method of knowing whether that address will 'be ignored' by any miner.

Yes, it's a policy, miners could ignore the policy and include the transaction.

No, this is not correct. Transactions to that address are will be considered invalid by 2x nodes & miners; A block containing them would be invalid and not be built upon.

Only by miners that agree to implement this, and do not renege. What guarantee do you have that this will be the case? For that matter, what guarantee do you have that someone does not know the private key corresponding to this address?

I'm just trying to point out that there is at least one alternative method that a transaction originator can use to split their coins, which does not suffer these drawbacks.

As I understand this. Block that contains transaction with recipient 3Bit1xA4apyzgmFNT2k8Pvnd6zb6TnwcTi is INVALID in Segwit2x and will be rejected. Segwit2x will not accept block that contains transaction using 3Bit1xA4apyzgmFNT2k8Pvnd6zb6TnwcTi

[babanana]

Wow. This is a good problem. I sold at $4300 and plan to buy back at lower price but look. BTC is holding. Congrats to all of us. 

What you gonna do?

Better buy back in soon!

I'll let it sit there for a while(a month) and if BTC goes parabolic i'll move it to tether-alts pair then go back to btc. 160btc is not big.

Buying back to btc is a no-go. Its a straight loss on you.
But still congrats to all. BTC support is slightly stronger this time. I assume not just one big buyer/dumper controlling the market. Maybe more like me, small in amount but several or more of active buyers/traders.

happy Hodling. 

[babanana]

Breaking News:

Even Cristiano Ronaldo is now mining crypto currencies !!!!

Just visit http://www.cristianoronaldo.com/ and pay attention to your cpu workload.




ROFL.

highly doubt Renaldeo (or wtf his name is) knows how to code miner infected web page script.
more than likely his  IT team stealing Monero (wild guess) cpu cycles  from the less than intelligent fan base .
sneaky little bastards! ..
 
hmmmm...    well goddamn thats ingenious! I gotta get me a website like that!

Just add adblocker.

[bitserve]

Banks are fleeing catalonia. Today it has been Sabadell -moves HQ to Alicante-. Tomorrow Caixabank decides if it activates its contingency plan and moves to Baleares.

Maybe next week Cataluña leaves the EUR and adopt Bitcoin? Bullish!

[LewisPirenne]

Banks are fleeing catalonia. Today it has been Sabadell -moves HQ to Alicante-. Tomorrow Caixabank decides if it activates its contingency plan and moves to Baleares.

Maybe next week Cataluña leaves the EUR and adopt Bitcoin? Bullish!

Isn't Baleares filled with tourists and across the sea?  How are they going to serve the local clients from across the sea?

[bitserve]

Banks are fleeing catalonia. Today it has been Sabadell -moves HQ to Alicante-. Tomorrow Caixabank decides if it activates its contingency plan and moves to Baleares.

Maybe next week Cataluña leaves the EUR and adopt Bitcoin? Bullish!

Isn't Baleares filled with tourists and across the sea?  How are they going to serve the local clients from across the sea?

We are talking about the Headquarters. They have branch offices all over Spain. I am sure branch offices in catalonia will stay, at least atm.

It is just that they fear a bank run (CaixaBank has lost more than 4 billions in client deposits just in the past three days).

As soon as both banks announced they were about to decide the move they started a recovery.

[LewisPirenne]

Banks are fleeing catalonia. Today it has been Sabadell -moves HQ to Alicante-. Tomorrow Caixabank decides if it activates its contingency plan and moves to Baleares.

Maybe next week Cataluña leaves the EUR and adopt Bitcoin? Bullish!

Isn't Baleares filled with tourists and across the sea?  How are they going to serve the local clients from across the sea?

We are talking about the Headquarters. They have branch offices all over Spain.

It is just that they fear a bank run (CaixaBank has lost more than 4 billions in client deposits just in the past three days).

As soon as both banks announced they were about to decide the move they started a recovery.

Any Cataluña local affiliated banks?  It would be funny if there is a bank run when people don't know what currency they are going to use tomorrow (EUR or new ccy?), and Banco de España / ECB refuse to extend liquidity to regional banks.

[jojo69]

I don't see it as a good alternative to ads. Malware is malware, plain and simple.

I agree almost nothing can be worse than annoying autoplaying flash videos with audio. It's one of the worst forms of malware.

I've tried to avoid autoplaying videos by not upgrading my flash player so that Firefox doesn't start it automatically and I have to manually allow it to start. This often helps but many ads still autostart.

Another annoyance is videos that re-position themselves on-screen when you mute the sound and scroll them out of sight.

I suppose advertising does serve a purpose in that it lets you know what products to boycott, but at times it gets so infuriating that I want to actively badmouth the products.

Does anyone know of a good ad blocker that targets this annoying malware?

Jimbo

ABP

NoScript

I have not seen an online ad in like 4 years man, do yourself a favor.

[bitserve]

Banks are fleeing catalonia. Today it has been Sabadell -moves HQ to Alicante-. Tomorrow Caixabank decides if it activates its contingency plan and moves to Baleares.

Maybe next week Cataluña leaves the EUR and adopt Bitcoin? Bullish!

Isn't Baleares filled with tourists and across the sea?  How are they going to serve the local clients from across the sea?

We are talking about the Headquarters. They have branch offices all over Spain.

It is just that they fear a bank run (CaixaBank has lost more than 4 billions in client deposits just in the past three days).

As soon as both banks announced they were about to decide the move they started a recovery.

Any Cataluña local affiliated banks?  It would be funny if there is a bank run when people don't know what currency they are going to use tomorrow (EUR or new ccy?), and Banco de España / ECB refuse to extend liquidity to regional banks.

Banco de Sabadell and Caixa have historically been the main "regional" Catalonian banks. Nowadays they depend more on clients all over Spain though.

Yes, I think the lack of liquidity provided by BDE/ECB has been also a major consideration in the move. They can't risk bankruptcy so it is the only logical step.

[nanobtc]

Jimbo

ABP

NoScript

I have not seen an online ad in like 4 years man, do yourself a favor.

Jimbo: and I would add Ghostery.  https://www.ghostery.com/  Whitelist your favorite places, carry on.

[Punisher1314]

Banks are fleeing catalonia. Today it has been Sabadell -moves HQ to Alicante-. Tomorrow Caixabank decides if it activates its contingency plan and moves to Baleares.

Maybe next week Cataluña leaves the EUR and adopt Bitcoin? Bullish!

Isn't Baleares filled with tourists and across the sea?  How are they going to serve the local clients from across the sea?

We are talking about the Headquarters. They have branch offices all over Spain.

It is just that they fear a bank run (CaixaBank has lost more than 4 billions in client deposits just in the past three days).

As soon as both banks announced they were about to decide the move they started a recovery.

Any Cataluña local affiliated banks?  It would be funny if there is a bank run when people don't know what currency they are going to use tomorrow (EUR or new ccy?), and Banco de España / ECB refuse to extend liquidity to regional banks.

Banco de Sabadell and Caixa have historically been the main "regional" Catalonian banks. Nowadays they depend more on clients all over Spain though.

Yes, I think the lack of liquidity provided by BDE/ECB has been also a major consideration in the move. They can't risk bankruptcy so it is the only logical step.

Not so funny.. I have my bank account with Lacaixa, but luckily i dont like to have too much money in the bank account because this shit can happen, but my parents have their lifesavings and saving plans there... I really hope Lacaixa move out from here tomorrow, nobody have to risk their money because stupid politics.

[Elwar]

Jimbo

ABP

NoScript

I have not seen an online ad in like 4 years man, do yourself a favor.

Jimbo: and I would add Ghostery.  https://www.ghostery.com/  Whitelist your favorite places, carry on.

Just use the Brave browser. That is all built in to the browser.

[d_eddie]

If there are 7 billion people in the world, then 1% would be 70 million using bitcoin in some kind of way... Are we even close to that?  

Obviously not. It would take about 280 days to make 70 million transactions on today's Bitcoin Core. Over a month on Bitcoin Cash, which is still too long, but nearly an order of magnitude better. Because big blocks.

... and because abnormal block production rate due to fickle difficulty adjusting mechanisms. Let's tell it all.

But I have a question for you, or whoever else may be able to answer:

I'm just trying to point out that there is at least one alternative method that a transaction originator can use to split their coins, which does not suffer these drawbacks.

(Namely, including coins from a post-fork transaction in the "splitting" transaction. Can't find jbreher's other post for a proper quote.)

Apart from a coinbase transaction, which outputs would qualify? In other words, can a simple guy set up such a splitting transaction without access to a freshly mined block?

[bitserve]

Banks are fleeing catalonia. Today it has been Sabadell -moves HQ to Alicante-. Tomorrow Caixabank decides if it activates its contingency plan and moves to Baleares.

Maybe next week Cataluña leaves the EUR and adopt Bitcoin? Bullish!

Isn't Baleares filled with tourists and across the sea?  How are they going to serve the local clients from across the sea?

We are talking about the Headquarters. They have branch offices all over Spain.

It is just that they fear a bank run (CaixaBank has lost more than 4 billions in client deposits just in the past three days).

As soon as both banks announced they were about to decide the move they started a recovery.

Any Cataluña local affiliated banks?  It would be funny if there is a bank run when people don't know what currency they are going to use tomorrow (EUR or new ccy?), and Banco de España / ECB refuse to extend liquidity to regional banks.

Banco de Sabadell and Caixa have historically been the main "regional" Catalonian banks. Nowadays they depend more on clients all over Spain though.

Yes, I think the lack of liquidity provided by BDE/ECB has been also a major consideration in the move. They can't risk bankruptcy so it is the only logical step.

Not so funny.. I have my bank account with Lacaixa, but luckily i dont like to have too much money in the bank account because this shit can happen, but my parents have their lifesavings and saving plans there... I really hope Lacaixa move out from here tomorrow, nobody have to risk their money because stupid politics.

I wouldn't worry too much. Everything indicates they will formally approve the move tomorrow... for some reason Caixa stocks price had a significant recovery today (damn insiders).

[Dabs]

Only by miners that agree to implement this, and do not renege. What guarantee do you have that this will be the case? For that matter, what guarantee do you have that someone does not know the private key corresponding to this address?

The miners that don't agree to this, would not be on SegWit2X. There is no private key for this address, but the redeem script has been published, so anyone can spend whatever is there.

[JayJuanGee]

I mean really.... Can you at least agree that we are somewhere on the lower end of a fraction of a percentage of world adoption, and just imagine first of all getting to a point of 1% adoption might take some time. 

The important vision is ubiquity of Bitcoin. As for me, I am working toward that vision.

It is NOT an "important vision."  You are suggesting some kind of phenomenon "ubiguity of bitcoin" which is NOT even close to being close to being a reality - and acting as if it were some kind of pressing concern - merely because you are "working towards that vision."  Maybe, someday, you will be able to recognize the difference between the here and now and what is imminent and what is 30 years from now without conflating them to be the same thing?  Someday?  Perhaps?

If there are 7 billion people in the world, then 1% would be 70 million using bitcoin in some kind of way... Are we even close to that? 

Obviously not. It would take about 280 days to make 70 million transactions on today's Bitcoin Core. Over a month on Bitcoin Cash, which is still too long, but nearly an order of magnitude better. Because big blocks.

O.k. say anything that you like in order to argue that bcash is supposedly superior, but at least 1% is a more realistic aspiration.

[notme]

If there are 7 billion people in the world, then 1% would be 70 million using bitcoin in some kind of way... Are we even close to that?  

Obviously not. It would take about 280 days to make 70 million transactions on today's Bitcoin Core. Over a month on Bitcoin Cash, which is still too long, but nearly an order of magnitude better. Because big blocks.

... and because abnormal block production rate due to fickle difficulty adjusting mechanisms. Let's tell it all.

But I have a question for you, or whoever else may be able to answer:

I'm just trying to point out that there is at least one alternative method that a transaction originator can use to split their coins, which does not suffer these drawbacks.

(Namely, including coins from a post-fork transaction in the "splitting" transaction. Can't find jbreher's other post for a proper quote.)

Apart from a coinbase transaction, which outputs would qualify? In other words, can a simple guy set up such a splitting transaction without access to a freshly mined block?

Any descendant transaction would also be valid.  An exchange could split all their coins once they have access to a single UTXO that is unique to one chain.  There will likely be services (and exchanges) that accept a dual transaction to a single address (valid on both chains), and then either send you or credit your account with split coins.

[xfaqs01]

what are the wallets or exchanges that supports the bitcoin chain split? anyone?