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October 25, 2017, 01:27:41 PM

BTG will hit 0 soon enough when...

If BTG would hit anything ... BTG tokens have not been issued for real for now. If no wallet no chain is published, BTG just have no existence !

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In a symbol-manipulating and culture-producing species, homosexuals fulfill the function of outliers not bound by responsibilities of family and to a certain degree free from regular societal norms and expectations. As such they are in a position to dedicate themselves to niche endeavors which may have no immediate useful function for society, but contribute to the experimentation and innovation which keep human culture evolving and adapting. They are often able to take bigger risks and pursue less profitable career-paths compared to heterosexual people with a family. Having children/spouses be dependent on your income makes you more conservative in taking risks and experimenting with your perceived role in society. Thus you can find many homosexuals in fields which demand extreme immersion and individuality of thinking in order to produce results: art and science.


I will accept that as a thesis statement.  However you will have to marshal a broad array of sources in support.  Remember that every paragraph should develop and support your argument.  Resist the temptation to simply narrate the existing literature.  Please have a submission ready for committee by the end of next term.
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October 25, 2017, 02:01:42 PM

Waking up and seeing the price:

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October 25, 2017, 02:09:30 PM

BTG looks like a scam ~ lol ... get the lead out! :-D >.>BTC FTW! weeee
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October 25, 2017, 02:58:34 PM

Looks like amazon and bitcoin might not be BS after all.
I still give it a 5% chance but this surprised me

https://cointelegraph.com/news/more-rumors-amazon-could-accept-bitcoin-as-all-eyes-on-conference-call
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October 25, 2017, 03:13:52 PM

bitcoin gold (btg)Will create problems to bitcoin (btc)

Go on then, I'll bite, what problems, explain pls?

This is what I wanted to say to you two days ago
Price bitcoin fall  And the fall will continue ; I expect Prices bitcoin  will return from where came from 3000 usd ... People bought for btg
 
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October 25, 2017, 03:22:05 PM

Looks like amazon and bitcoin might not be BS after all.
I still give it a 5% chance but this surprised me

https://cointelegraph.com/news/more-rumors-amazon-could-accept-bitcoin-as-all-eyes-on-conference-call


via: GYFT , EGIFTER ===> YOU CAN ALREADY BUY SHIT OFF AMAZON Wink  lol weee
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October 25, 2017, 03:29:42 PM

Looks like amazon and bitcoin might not be BS after all.
I still give it a 5% chance but this surprised me

https://cointelegraph.com/news/more-rumors-amazon-could-accept-bitcoin-as-all-eyes-on-conference-call


via: GYFT , EGIFTER ===> YOU CAN ALREADY BUY SHIT OFF AMAZON Wink  lol weee

I think its all about setting a direction and the others will follow! right now we use workarounds...
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October 25, 2017, 03:46:39 PM

Looks like amazon and bitcoin might not be BS after all.
I still give it a 5% chance but this surprised me

https://cointelegraph.com/news/more-rumors-amazon-could-accept-bitcoin-as-all-eyes-on-conference-call


via: GYFT , EGIFTER ===> YOU CAN ALREADY BUY SHIT OFF AMAZON Wink  lol weee
That's wonderful for the people that know about bitcoin and this workaround. To bring BTC to the masses you need Amazon and the like to adopt it.
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October 25, 2017, 03:58:07 PM

I think its all about setting a direction and the others will follow! right now we use workarounds...

That's wonderful for the people that know about bitcoin and this workaround. To bring BTC to the masses you need Amazon and the like to adopt it.

Definitely. Imagine a "Pay with Bitcoin" button on Amazon's checkout page and what it will do for general adoption. That could be the true tipping point to the mythical S-curve.
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October 25, 2017, 04:05:36 PM

Guys, did anyone mention this yet?

http://fortune.com/2017/10/24/blockchain-coffee-bext360/

It’s got a lot people in the biohacking community now talking about BTC, including Dave Asprey. Sounds like he’s interested in following the lead here too!

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October 25, 2017, 04:32:40 PM

I think its all about setting a direction and the others will follow! right now we use workarounds...

That's wonderful for the people that know about bitcoin and this workaround. To bring BTC to the masses you need Amazon and the like to adopt it.

Definitely. Imagine a "Pay with Bitcoin" button on Amazon's checkout page and what it will do for general adoption. That could be the true tipping point to the mythical S-curve.
If amazon supports it, everyone will have to follow suit to keep up. Amazon is the tipping point.
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October 25, 2017, 04:51:32 PM

Coinbase just back-peddled their back-peddle. [...]

https://blog.coinbase.com/clarification-on-the-upcoming-segwit2x-fork-d3c0f545c3e0
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we will be measuring total cumulative computational difficulty of the blockchain to determine what we will call Bitcoin

So they are now on the same page as Satoshi is in his whitepaper. And in line with the Gemini exchange.
Nothing wrong with revising your view when you figure out there is only one measurement in the end: hashrate.
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So they are now on the same page as Satoshi is in his whitepaper. And in line with the Gemini exchange.
Nothing wrong with revising your view when you figure out there is only one measurement in the end: hashrate.

Consensus too was mentioned in the whitepaper, if I'm not mistaken.

If there's any truth to the recent news, imagine how happy Gemini and Coinbase customers will be when the "bitcoins" they bought (at a significant discount, I bet) get turned down by Amazon's cart checkout. I sense lawsuits incoming.
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October 25, 2017, 05:34:55 PM

Coinbase just back-peddled their back-peddle. [...]

https://blog.coinbase.com/clarification-on-the-upcoming-segwit2x-fork-d3c0f545c3e0
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"We are going to call the chain with the most accumulated difficulty Bitcoin."

https://gemini.com/blog/upcoming-bitcoin-hard-fork-modified-exchange-operations/
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we will be measuring total cumulative computational difficulty of the blockchain to determine what we will call Bitcoin

So they are now on the same page as Satoshi is in his whitepaper. And in line with the Gemini exchange.
Nothing wrong with revising your view when you figure out there is only one measurement in the end: hashrate.

Consensus too was mentioned in the whitepaper, if I'm not mistaken.

If there's any truth to the recent news, imagine how happy Gemini and Coinbase customers will be when the "bitcoins" they bought (at a significant discount, I bet) get turned down by Amazon's cart checkout. I sense lawsuits incoming.

pardon my ignorance (I've been out of the loop for a few years) but what are these bitcoins you are talking about?
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October 25, 2017, 05:39:08 PM

pardon my ignorance (I've been out of the loop for a few years) but what are these bitcoins you are talking about?

Digital stuff for nerds. Basically useless. Don't worry, exit the loop immediately.
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October 25, 2017, 05:40:47 PM

pardon my ignorance (I've been out of the loop for a few years) but what are these bitcoins you are talking about?

Digital stuff for nerds. Basically useless. Don't worry, exit the loop immediately.

let me rephrase that. I read a bit about the hard fork a while back, I just don't know what happened with that.
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October 25, 2017, 05:51:34 PM

pardon my ignorance (I've been out of the loop for a few years) but what are these bitcoins you are talking about?

Digital stuff for nerds. Basically useless. Don't worry, exit the loop immediately.

let me rephrase that. I read a bit about the hard fork a while back, I just don't know what happened with that.
Sorry gwoplock, I thought you were fishing for sarcasm.

The attack is officially meant to double the blocksize (hence the 2x part of the name) while keeping SegWit, unlike the altcoin BCH, aka BitcoinCash (hence the ticker S2X). On paper, the motivation and the supporters are the same as the NY cartel. However, no proper replay protection has been implemented by the attackers. This is intentional, so the supposed fork is actually an attack. There has been open talk about "attacking" and "strategies" on some well-known Reddit subs. The real goal is replacing Core with more - say - malleable developer(s). Some kind of replay protection can be attempted post-fork at the user's risk. The token for the replay-protected resulting altcoin S2X is available for trade on a few selected exchanges, and is valued at a small fraction of the BTC price.
 
In the meantime, several original signers from the infamous NY coven have retracted their support. A couple of major exchanges are trying to keep a foot in two shoes.
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October 25, 2017, 05:59:08 PM

pardon my ignorance (I've been out of the loop for a few years) but what are these bitcoins you are talking about?

Digital stuff for nerds. Basically useless. Don't worry, exit the loop immediately.

let me rephrase that. I read a bit about the hard fork a while back, I just don't know what happened with that.
Sorry gwoplock, I thought you were fishing for sarcasm.

The attack is officially meant to double the blocksize (hence the 2x part of the name) while keeping SegWit, unlike the altcoin BCH, aka BitcoinCash (hence the ticker S2X). On paper, the motivation and the supporters are the same as the NY cartel. However, no proper replay protection has been implemented by the attackers. This is intentional, so the supposed fork is actually an attack. There has been open talk about "attacking" and "strategies" on some well-known Reddit subs. The real goal is replacing Core with more - say - malleable developer(s). Some kind of replay protection can be attempted post-fork at the user's risk. The token for the replay-protected resulting altcoin S2X is available for trade on a few selected exchanges, and is valued at a small fraction of the BTC price.
 
In the meantime, several original signers from the infamous NY coven have retracted their support. A couple of major exchanges are trying to keep a foot in two shoes.

its all good. Thanks for the explanation, it makes sense now.
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My personal experience, while not significant statistically, reinforces this myth. I used to have a business in a distant part of the world. There, I befriended many people that have a nomadic (pre-agricultural) history and were forced into "civilization" only a few generations ago. They are different, indeed. The women react very differently. The men react quite differently. The sense of possession is much weaker indeed. The sense of impermanence is palpable. I like that general feeling very much. Of course, with the Internet and globalization reaching every "civilized" human, the dominant mentality quickly takes over. Things are changing fast and even trace amounts of that innocent paradise are being lost and will vanish soon.

In some areas of the world, cultures are starting to transition into a completely new phase. And it's not going to be good one.

Take a look at current Japanese culture for example.  Basically in a nutshell, the land is maxed out, they have entered a deflationary spiral of sorts, the Socialism experiment has failed, the central Bank of Japan owns something like 65% of all corporate debt, and the people work at corporations that exist basically just to pay off the interest on their corporate debt --- so basically "zombie" banks and corporations.  So the young people, overburdened with an old world social structure that's no longer working, and overburdened with personal/corporate debt, lack of advancement opportunities, etc. are no longer dating, marrying, reproducing and having families.  The majority of guys aren't even interested in the girls, just interested in themselves (preening, socializing, hanging with their guy friends, etc.). Sounds pretty depressing, huh?

This made me think of something I had read a while back about a mice experiment conducted in the 1960's by John B. Calhoun. Half way down the Wikipedia page you can read about it, especially about the male mice that came to be known as "the beautiful ones".  The similarities between his experiment conclusion and what is happening now in Japan is uncanny.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Calhoun

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In the early 1960s, the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) acquired property in a rural area outside Poolesville, Maryland. The facility that was built on this property housed several research projects, including those headed by Calhoun. It was here that his most famous experiment, the mouse universe, was created.[1] In July 1968 four pairs of mice were introduced into the habitat. The habitat was a 9-foot (2.7 m) square metal pen with 4.5-foot-high (1.4 m) sides. Each side had four groups of four vertical, wire mesh "tunnels." The "tunnels" gave access to nesting boxes, food hoppers, and water dispensers. There was no shortage of food or water or nesting material. There were no predators. The only adversity was the limit on space.
John Calhoun meeting Pope Paul VI on 27 September 1973

Initially, the population grew rapidly, doubling every 55 days. The population reached 620 by day 315, after which the population growth dropped markedly, doubling only every 145 days. The last surviving birth was on day 600, bringing the total population to a mere 2200 mice, even though the experiment setup allowed for as many as 3840 mice in terms of nesting space. This period between day 315 and day 600 saw a breakdown in social structure and in normal social behavior. Among the aberrations in behavior were the following: expulsion of young before weaning was complete, wounding of young, increase in homosexual behavior, inability of dominant males to maintain the defense of their territory and females, aggressive behavior of females, passivity of non-dominant males with increased attacks on each other which were not defended against.[2]

After day 600, the social breakdown continued and the population declined toward extinction. During this period females ceased to reproduce. Their male counterparts withdrew completely, never engaging in courtship or fighting. They ate, drank, slept, and groomed themselves – all solitary pursuits. Sleek, healthy coats and an absence of scars characterized these males. They were dubbed "the beautiful ones." Breeding never resumed and behavior patterns were permanently changed.

The conclusions drawn from this experiment were that when all available space is taken and all social roles filled, competition and the stresses experienced by the individuals will result in a total breakdown in complex social behaviors, ultimately resulting in the demise of the population.

Calhoun saw the fate of the population of mice as a metaphor for the potential fate of man.
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