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Question: Oct. 16 Closing Price:
<$8,000 - 2 (2.2%)
$8,000-$8,500 - 0 (0%)
$8,500-$9,000 - 0 (0%)
$9,000-$9,500 - 0 (0%)
$9,500-$10,000 - 3 (3.4%)
$10,000-$10,500 - 5 (5.6%)
$10,500-$11,000 - 7 (7.9%)
$11,000-$11,500 - 13 (14.6%)
$11,500-$12,000 - 25 (28.1%)
$12,000-$12,500 - 14 (15.7%)
$12,500-$13,000 - 6 (6.7%)
$13,000-$13,500 - 4 (4.5%)
$13,500-$14,000 - 2 (2.2%)
>$14,000 - 8 (9%)
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August 23, 2018, 03:18:47 AM
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So,
SEC rejected 9 ETF-Proposals 4 hours ago.
https://www.coindesk.com/sec-rejects-7-bitcoin-etf-proposals/
So far no reaction in bitcoin price. (Everybody sleeping?)
Hopefully it stays above 5800. Hardly anybody seems to believe that anymore.



Word is out that Bitcoin will suffer in the long run under ETF approval.

Rejections are good for Bitcoin.

I feel dirty that I told the SEC that they should approve the ETF in order to stay relevant. I really don't want them to stay relevant.
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August 23, 2018, 03:21:05 AM

So,
SEC rejected 9 ETF-Proposals 4 hours ago.
https://www.coindesk.com/sec-rejects-7-bitcoin-etf-proposals/
So far no reaction in bitcoin price. (Everybody sleeping?)
Hopefully it stays above 5800. Hardly anybody seems to believe that anymore.

Yea wow. That pull back was nothing considering. Theories about what that means WOs? The "everyone's just asleep" explanation seems unconvincing.
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August 23, 2018, 04:08:27 AM
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So,
SEC rejected 9 ETF-Proposals 4 hours ago.
https://www.coindesk.com/sec-rejects-7-bitcoin-etf-proposals/
So far no reaction in bitcoin price. (Everybody sleeping?)
Hopefully it stays above 5800. Hardly anybody seems to believe that anymore.

Yea wow. That pull back was nothing considering. Theories about what that means WOs? The "everyone's just asleep" explanation seems unconvincing.

Not much buying on the rumor = Not much selling on the news.
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August 23, 2018, 04:19:43 AM

This thread is basically now 100% DERP.

I temporarily lose IQ points reading this gibberish.

Worst thing about corrective bear markets: derp.
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August 23, 2018, 05:35:33 AM

Seems to be on balance there is substantial speculation on the ETF decisions but its within the short sellers or the most frequent traders expecting some obvious bad news but the vast amount of the normal exchange traffic is not as especially reliant on that decision.   

I think every echo of the first etf denial is more faint then the last.    Maybe the final decision will be the straw to break us out of this area but it still seems to be a common view to hold the negative on this news.
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The most important ETF (CBOE + VanEck SolidX) will be on September 30th
Is that the final say for that ETF or just 1 stage of the process and they can revise and come back for some appeal.   Seems we get many encores to this story and I was never certain it mattered that much to begin with.     I still go on following the little users of bitcoin, in 2018 they enabled the smallest users by dropping fees which is all that matters to me really.   The biggest entities can throw gold bars around or whatever asset they prefer, I dont see they have much use for blockchain but will follow if the market does.

Going on what I've read quickly on this 9 ETF news, people think the decision went on the underlying market not being distributed widely or evenly enough.   Futures is sophisticated traders, an ETF has a higher bar to pass.

The recent price rise reached the 50 day moving average and current pricing is just below the 8 day average.   

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August 23, 2018, 06:06:12 AM

This thread is basically now 100% DERP.

I temporarily lose IQ points reading this gibberish.

Worst thing about corrective bear markets: derp.

I know what you mean.

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August 23, 2018, 06:38:48 AM


Garbage.  Anyone trying to scientifically prove cryptocurrency (which is just an artificial scarcity scam at it's base) is a "store of value", will inadvertantly be claiming things like video games sold on Steam are a store of value - another product based on artificial scarcity that appears to have value in the short term, then spectacularly fails in the long term.  

The only way any type of bullshit artificial scarcity scam can be a store of value is by becoming the unit of account of something or the entire economy itself, and for an artificial scarcity scam to achieve such status (since it does not happen naturally) would require centralized govt coercion to force it on people.  Shitcoins depend on violence just like fiat paper in the long run.  They are completely arbitrary, imaginary, valueless tokens and cannot compete with physical commodity money like physical silver and gold as a unit of account or settlement tool.

Bitcoin currently portrays itself as a get rich quick scheme lottery ticket program to sucker in people to promote it.  The second it's market cap peaks and no longer functions as a lottery ticket ponzi, people then all just pile into the next big thing to try and score a new lottery ticket whether it's a new altcoin or something else entirely.  The fact cryptocurrency is an artificial scarcity scam with no valid Schelling point to prevent everyone from abandoning it means it requires violence to not go to zero.
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August 23, 2018, 08:32:46 AM
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still waiting for carolina  Sad

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August 23, 2018, 08:46:49 AM

This is a pretty funny economics discussion involving Jordan Peterson and some others.

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/d3k3ex/jordan-peterson-enforced-monogamy-incels

The economics problem is that women practice hypergamy and are all trying to sleep with only 1% of men, while men will sleep with pretty much anything within reason.  That's a pretty BIG economics problem.  The real knee slapper is that the person who wrote the article on Vice is clearly a douchebag, Marxist/commie/socialist leftist, and the solution Jordan Peterson suggests IS socialism - the redistribution of women to stabilize society, and the writer finds it abhorrent HAHAHA.
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Man, always these dildo talks, doesn't lead to anything serious  Grin
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August 23, 2018, 10:38:36 AM

Hy guys,

who thinks we will hit +€25k by the end of 2018  Grin

Love to see that but it’s a NO from me

Odds are looking pretty low at the moment, perhaps less than 15%?  Or is that too bearish?

We gotta get above a few pretty strong resistance points, especially between $10k and $17k.... Probably if we were able to get above $17k, then we have pretty decent chances of breaking above previous ATH from there... By the way, I am also reading your €25k as a value of about $28k, since we are talking dollars in this thread, not European funny money.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy.... so yeah, once we get above the previous ATH of $19,666, then probably we will be able to get into the sub $30k territory before meeting some resistance, perhaps?

The problem is so many people who bought around the end of 2017 will be holding out to sell off as soon as we get back up to the last ATH so they can get their money out. I think when we get near the ATH it wont smash straight through, as much as i would love it too.

I also think people will be happy to take a risk buying now and holding until we reach the previous ATH, without them wanting to hold on any longer as they fear the retrace.
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Hy guys,

who thinks we will hit +€25k by the end of 2018  Grin

Love to see that but it’s a NO from me

Odds are looking pretty low at the moment, perhaps less than 15%?  Or is that too bearish?

We gotta get above a few pretty strong resistance points, especially between $10k and $17k.... Probably if we were able to get above $17k, then we have pretty decent chances of breaking above previous ATH from there... By the way, I am also reading your €25k as a value of about $28k, since we are talking dollars in this thread, not European funny money.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy.... so yeah, once we get above the previous ATH of $19,666, then probably we will be able to get into the sub $30k territory before meeting some resistance, perhaps?

The problem is so many people who bought around the end of 2017 will be holding out to sell off as soon as we get back up to the last ATH so they can get their money out. I think when we get near the ATH it wont smash straight through, as much as i would love it too.

I also think people will be happy to take a risk buying now and holding until we reach the previous ATH, without them wanting to hold on any longer as they fear the retrace.

Well that ain't bad at all and the funny european money is stronger, at the moment speaking, than this funny Petro$ based on war and destruction  Grin Smiley
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August 23, 2018, 10:47:32 AM

Hy guys,

who thinks we will hit +€25k by the end of 2018  Grin

Love to see that but it’s a NO from me

Odds are looking pretty low at the moment, perhaps less than 15%?  Or is that too bearish?

We gotta get above a few pretty strong resistance points, especially between $10k and $17k.... Probably if we were able to get above $17k, then we have pretty decent chances of breaking above previous ATH from there... By the way, I am also reading your €25k as a value of about $28k, since we are talking dollars in this thread, not European funny money.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy.... so yeah, once we get above the previous ATH of $19,666, then probably we will be able to get into the sub $30k territory before meeting some resistance, perhaps?

The problem is so many people who bought around the end of 2017 will be holding out to sell off as soon as we get back up to the last ATH so they can get their money out. I think when we get near the ATH it wont smash straight through, as much as i would love it too.

I also think people will be happy to take a risk buying now and holding until we reach the previous ATH, without them wanting to hold on any longer as they fear the retrace.

They wont, because then Greed kicks in.
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Hy guys,

who thinks we will hit +€25k by the end of 2018  Grin

Love to see that but it’s a NO from me

Odds are looking pretty low at the moment, perhaps less than 15%?  Or is that too bearish?

We gotta get above a few pretty strong resistance points, especially between $10k and $17k.... Probably if we were able to get above $17k, then we have pretty decent chances of breaking above previous ATH from there... By the way, I am also reading your €25k as a value of about $28k, since we are talking dollars in this thread, not European funny money.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy.... so yeah, once we get above the previous ATH of $19,666, then probably we will be able to get into the sub $30k territory before meeting some resistance, perhaps?

The problem is so many people who bought around the end of 2017 will be holding out to sell off as soon as we get back up to the last ATH so they can get their money out. I think when we get near the ATH it wont smash straight through, as much as i would love it too.

I also think people will be happy to take a risk buying now and holding until we reach the previous ATH, without them wanting to hold on any longer as they fear the retrace.

They wont, because then Greed kicks in.

FOMO !!
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August 23, 2018, 10:52:41 AM

Hy guys,

who thinks we will hit +€25k by the end of 2018  Grin

Love to see that but it’s a NO from me

Odds are looking pretty low at the moment, perhaps less than 15%?  Or is that too bearish?

We gotta get above a few pretty strong resistance points, especially between $10k and $17k.... Probably if we were able to get above $17k, then we have pretty decent chances of breaking above previous ATH from there... By the way, I am also reading your €25k as a value of about $28k, since we are talking dollars in this thread, not European funny money.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy.... so yeah, once we get above the previous ATH of $19,666, then probably we will be able to get into the sub $30k territory before meeting some resistance, perhaps?

The problem is so many people who bought around the end of 2017 will be holding out to sell off as soon as we get back up to the last ATH so they can get their money out. I think when we get near the ATH it wont smash straight through, as much as i would love it too.

I also think people will be happy to take a risk buying now and holding until we reach the previous ATH, without them wanting to hold on any longer as they fear the retrace.

They wont, because then Greed kicks in.

Greed is like the bubbles in "Finding Nemo"  Grin
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August 23, 2018, 11:38:06 AM

So,
SEC rejected 9 ETF-Proposals 4 hours ago.
https://www.coindesk.com/sec-rejects-7-bitcoin-etf-proposals/
So far no reaction in bitcoin price. (Everybody sleeping?)
Hopefully it stays above 5800. Hardly anybody seems to believe that anymore.

Yea wow. That pull back was nothing considering. Theories about what that means WOs? The "everyone's just asleep" explanation seems unconvincing.

Not much buying on the rumor = Not much selling on the news.

and let us just HODL @the overal time  Grin
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August 23, 2018, 11:47:03 AM
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and let us just HODL @the overal time  Grin

If you claim "HODL" is a valid investment strategy, doesn't that mean Bitcoin is guaranteed to be a Ponzi scheme since HODL has never been a valid investment strategy in any asset ever?  Even at the base of Exter's Pyramid (gold and silver), it's a solid place to store wealth, except for the fact that risk assets above the base can balloon so large that if you did not participate in the bubbles, everyone else is now 10x richer than you, making you poorer in that zero sum game by default.  

So even with the base of Exter's Pyramid, you're required to not "HODL" and constantly enter and exit between risk and non-risk assets.  Timing is everything whether you want your money to increase or even stay the same since it's a zero sum game.  There will come a time when I despise silver and gold and own none because it's overvalued compared to things like land.  That time is not right now though....it's the opposite of right now.
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August 23, 2018, 01:10:48 PM
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This thread is basically now 100% DERP.

I temporarily lose IQ points reading this gibberish.

Worst thing about corrective bear markets: derp.

Yes, but pales in comparison to the derp-o-rama going on during bull runs.  All the trading "experts" come out of the woodwork with their laughable charts with random lines drawn on them.

Funny how all these trading geniuses went silent as fuck when the bear correction came, huh? Especially on youtube, so fucking hilarious they've all moved on to other topics now, lol.

No one knows shit about this market and never will.
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August 23, 2018, 01:15:27 PM

Micgoossens, since you're always drunk or high on something, I think it's time to send you on a trip where no junkie has gone before:

https://www.startrekthecruise.com/

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