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Question: How much of your corn do you plan on cashing out in the next massive bull run?
None - 22 (18%)
1-10% - 16 (13.1%)
11-20% - 15 (12.3%)
21-30% - 17 (13.9%)
31-40% - 7 (5.7%)
41-50% - 12 (9.8%)
51-60% - 9 (7.4%)
61-70% - 5 (4.1%)
71-80% - 4 (3.3%)
81-90% - 2 (1.6%)
91-99% - 3 (2.5%)
100% - 10 (8.2%)
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September 12, 2018, 07:13:27 AM

every coin on sale today, except btc

Sale or exchange for BTC  Undecided
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September 12, 2018, 07:37:05 AM

every coin on sale today, except btc

Shitcoins are worth shit
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September 12, 2018, 08:00:39 AM

I am watching a tutorial to make a rope knot ...  Cry

Well, I told ya not to sell your precious bitcoins for Bitmain Cash and other shitcoins!


i think not really much BTC hodlers actually SOLD BTC for BCH ..... maybe hodl the free shit
i'm happy unloaded ALL of that shit for BTC Grin

BCH was a coin that was created in what I like to call "bad faith". I stripped my wallets of it and turned it into btc.

Now that I think about it, ETH was also a bad faith coin, I have a bit of ETC because I believed in an immutable chain, not what ETH became....

This man invested in bad faith coins. And paid the price. Pity him. Learn from him.




I did a google image search, and I found this article.

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/11/investing/bitcoin-crash-victim/index.html

I am thinking How fucking stupid can you be?  but then, I suppose that there are quite a few folks who bought at the top, and then made a bad situation worse by gambling.  He would not be doing so bad, right now, if he had kept his focus on Bitcoin rather than getting distracted by shitcoins...   Hard to recover, when your principle is only worth about 4% of what you started with?

I am not sure how much to pity such a crazy-ass gambling case, as described in the article.

For example, with myself, I bought into bitcoin towards the height of the late 2013 BTC price peak with my first 1.24BTC for $1,500, which is about $1,200 per coin to start with.  But during the initial price fall through 2014, I kept with bitcoin and kept buying BTC incrementally, so the average price of my BTC holdings was about $520, and the price of bitcoin was about $200-ish with some price spikes below $200, so the value of my holdings stooped to below 35% of what I had invested, yet by the end of 2015, BTC price seemed to bottom in the $250 arena, and I made several mistakes, but continued to buy with what I could which brought my average cost per BTC to around $500, which is about 50% losses.

I guess I am thinking that 50% losses, is still way more principle to work with than 96% losses.  When bitcoin recovered I made some more mistakes, including getting phone ported hacked, which caused my average cost per BTC to go up to about $750 per BTC, but I guess I did not have the fucking burden and confusion of multiple alt coins cluttering up my thinking...

Today, I kind of consider my average price per BTC to be in the $650 to $750 range, and the reason that average cost per BTC is not clear is because there is some uncertainty about how much value I should give to BTC, fiat and other token holdings on WEX, especially since they seem to have their own shenanigans going on.. and I am not quite ready to write those coins off.. .. even though their ongoing price shenanigans and their withdrawal freezes are seeming more and more difficult to recover from such negative public image.   i am still hesitant to write off those coins.

Anyhow, you can have a lot of fuck ups in BTC, and still retain a certain decent amount of value, and I question myself regarding how much sympathy I want to give to folks who are gambling on alt coins, especially shit, scam and attack vector coins like Bcash and Ethereum.
Nice and honest story, i beleive he is not the only one who had this story  Shocked Grin

I gave whatever little bit of sympathy that might have been warranted, so in essence, boils down to still a DUMB, dumb.. as I already emphasized.  

Deserving this:

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That is dumb.

Why the fuck is bitcoin being portrayed as equivalent to three other cyptos...   Too misleading, of a pic, in my opinion.

Then it will be more correct
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September 12, 2018, 08:12:07 AM

The only thing that matters is that we are going up! Right, boys?
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September 12, 2018, 08:13:16 AM

Ethereum is literally collapsing. The market cap has lost about half of its value.

Shitcoins will reveal themselves for what they are.

Until now, BTC still has a strong wall support, it doesn't go under 6k$.

From December the downtrend is getting milder, I would expect a bull run for the end of year Wink

Considering also the uncertainty of the current financial system, it's possible the price will go up more than expected.

We are facing a stormy period.
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September 12, 2018, 08:15:24 AM

Then it will be more correct


Who cares, if in the end of the year we will be like this  Grin

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September 12, 2018, 08:17:18 AM

All nice, but i think it is impossible to rate all coins other than bitcoin to be shitcoins.
Also, it's easy said.... shitcoins.
If you do, take an effort in telling wich are not shitcoins.I mean, a few months ago, everyone was wild over etherum (and many still are). Its too easy to call it a shitcoin due to bad weather on the market.

Personally; why shouldn't i set some auto-buys on ETH for a nice low low price.. Divericating my portofolio for a bargain..
I mean: its more likely for eth to do 1500 euros, as it would for Bitcoin to do 53000 euro's, right? Both doing X10 from today. Taken from this point it seems like a safe bet..


If not agree'd thats fine, but tell me why with facts, not opinions pls.
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That is dumb.

Why the fuck is bitcoin being portrayed as equivalent to three other cyptos...   Too misleading, of a pic, in my opinion.

Then it will be more correct

 

I appreciate your effort to fix the matter, but I still don't like the disproportionate role of the dollar, and so, for me, the whole image is not easy to work with in order to depict a more complicated dynamic and weird and difficult to pinpoint symbiosis going on between a variety of players that are not even included in the pic.
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September 12, 2018, 08:34:14 AM

All nice, but i think it is impossible to rate all coins other than bitcoin to be shitcoins.

Yes, for this thread and any bitcoin thread, it is both possible and reasonable to lump all of them together as shit.  Something like this:




Also, it's easy said.... shitcoins.

Yes, easy said, in part because it is off topic, have you heard of that?


If you do, take an effort in telling wich are not shitcoins.I mean, a few months ago, everyone was wild over etherum (and many still are). Its too easy to call it a shitcoin due to bad weather on the market.


Ok  get the fuck out of here, and post in an ethereum thread about your level of loves for ethereum.

Personally; why shouldn't i set some auto-buys on ETH for a nice low low price..

Do whatever the fuck you want, and go talk about it somewhere else.


Divericating my portofolio for a bargain..

Diversification is overrated, especially if you are deciding to diversify into shit.


I mean: its more likely for eth to do 1500 euros, as it would for Bitcoin to do 53000 euro's, right? Both doing X10 from today. Taken from this point it seems like a safe bet..


O.k.  Go have fun, and cash out all of your BTC and anything else that you have and place it on the All wonderful ETH...






If not agree'd thats fine, but tell me why with facts, not opinions pls.

I will tell you with a conclusion.   Go fuck off with your desire for shit coin discussions to some other thread(s).
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September 12, 2018, 08:38:26 AM

All nice, but i think it is impossible to rate all coins other than bitcoin to be shitcoins.
Also, it's easy said.... shitcoins.
If you do, take an effort in telling wich are not shitcoins.I mean, a few months ago, everyone was wild over etherum (and many still are). Its too easy to call it a shitcoin due to bad weather on the market.

Personally; why shouldn't i set some auto-buys on ETH for a nice low low price.. Divericating my portofolio for a bargain..
I mean: its more likely for eth to do 1500 euros, as it would for Bitcoin to do 53000 euro's, right? Both doing X10 from today. Taken from this point it seems like a safe bet..


If not agree'd thats fine, but tell me why with facts, not opinions pls.

I'm a simple man.

I have a simple metric: Everything that was heavily pre-mined, insta-mined or air dropped is an automatic shitcoin.

There are other reasons I would throw a coin into that category, but this one takes care of the large majority... For example, only BTC, LTC and Monero are left from the top 10 after applying this simple rule.

It get's worse after that. Only Dogecoin is 'clean' out of the next 10...
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I appreciate your effort to fix the matter, but I still don't like the disproportionate role of the dollar, and so, for me, the whole image is not easy to work with in order to depict a more complicated dynamic and weird and difficult to pinpoint symbiosis going on between a variety of players that are not even included in the pic.

I understand you and in general I think just like you. But in this picture it is difficult to depict all the factors. For this need to do graphs.
P.S. I'm not a fan of dollars.
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September 12, 2018, 08:42:08 AM

All nice, but i think it is impossible to rate all coins other than bitcoin to be shitcoins.

Yes, for this thread and any bitcoin thread, it is both possible and reasonable to lump all of them together as shit.  Something like this:




Also, it's easy said.... shitcoins.


Ok  get the fuck out of here, and post in an ethereum thread about your level of loves for ethereum.

Personally; why shouldn't i set some auto-buys on ETH for a nice low low price..

Do whatever the fuck you want, and go talk about it somewhere else.


Divericating my portofolio for a bargain..

Diversification is overrated, especially if you are deciding to diversify into shit.


I mean: its more likely for eth to do 1500 euros, as it would for Bitcoin to do 53000 euro's, right? Both doing X10 from today. Taken from this point it seems like a safe bet..


O.k.  Go have fun, and cash out all of your BTC and anything else that you have and place it on the All wonderful ETH...






If not agree'd thats fine, but tell me why with facts, not opinions pls.

I will tell you with a conclusion.   Go fuck off with your desire for shit coin discussions to some other thread(s).


Yes, easy said, in part because it is off topic, have you heard of that?


If you do, take an effort in telling wich are not shitcoins.I mean, a few months ago, everyone was wild over etherum (and many still are). Its too easy to call it a shitcoin due to bad weather on the market.


reading your comment i think there's only one conclusion: that pile of shit you show, must me the only thing coming from your mouth, as you seem to be full of it.

Read your comment again; you act like a disturbed teenager. A lot of useless movement of air, saying nothing, adding nothing, cursing, and only wild hitting around your devoted opinion.

pitty you use air... its a waste....
The world would be better off without people like you...
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September 12, 2018, 08:44:53 AM

All nice, but i think it is impossible to rate all coins other than bitcoin to be shitcoins.
Also, it's easy said.... shitcoins.
If you do, take an effort in telling wich are not shitcoins.I mean, a few months ago, everyone was wild over etherum (and many still are). Its too easy to call it a shitcoin due to bad weather on the market.

Personally; why shouldn't i set some auto-buys on ETH for a nice low low price.. Divericating my portofolio for a bargain..
I mean: its more likely for eth to do 1500 euros, as it would for Bitcoin to do 53000 euro's, right? Both doing X10 from today. Taken from this point it seems like a safe bet..


If not agree'd thats fine, but tell me why with facts, not opinions pls.

I'm a simple man.

I have a simple metric: Everything that was heavily pre-mined, insta-mined or air dropped is an automatic shitcoin.

There are other reasons I would throw a coin into that category, but this one takes care of the large majority... For example, only BTC, LTC and Monero are left from the top 10 after applying this simple rule.

It get's worse after that. Only Dogecoin is 'clean' out of the next 10...

okay, but how do you determine this?

just because of pre mining and such?
And as i recall (not sure)  doge was a coin made for fun to be used in gaming, so why wild this be an exeption? i think its only used for trading between coins? ( no harm meant, just trying to learn and understand.)
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September 12, 2018, 08:51:15 AM

Few months ago : ALT go to the moon !



Oh no ! BTC for life  Grin
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September 12, 2018, 09:00:56 AM

All nice, but i think it is impossible to rate all coins other than bitcoin to be shitcoins.
Also, it's easy said.... shitcoins.
If you do, take an effort in telling wich are not shitcoins.I mean, a few months ago, everyone was wild over etherum (and many still are). Its too easy to call it a shitcoin due to bad weather on the market.

Personally; why shouldn't i set some auto-buys on ETH for a nice low low price.. Divericating my portofolio for a bargain..
I mean: its more likely for eth to do 1500 euros, as it would for Bitcoin to do 53000 euro's, right? Both doing X10 from today. Taken from this point it seems like a safe bet..


If not agree'd thats fine, but tell me why with facts, not opinions pls.

I'm a simple man.

I have a simple metric: Everything that was heavily pre-mined, insta-mined or air dropped is an automatic shitcoin.

There are other reasons I would throw a coin into that category, but this one takes care of the large majority... For example, only BTC, LTC and Monero are left from the top 10 after applying this simple rule.

It get's worse after that. Only Dogecoin is 'clean' out of the next 10...

okay, but how do you determine this?

just because of pre mining and such?
And as i recall (not sure)  doge was a coin made for fun to be used in gaming, so why wild this be an exeption? i think its only used for trading between coins? ( no harm meant, just trying to learn and understand.)


Yes, if it was pre-mined it's a shitcoin in my book.

Dogecoin was started as a complete joke. But it was done so openly with no BS. Many will put it in the shitcoin category just because of that. Some because it's merge mined with Litecoin. But it's still has one of the most fair launches of the top 20 coins. And it was used to donate to the Jamaican bobsled team to get them to the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics. And you have to give it points for that.
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September 12, 2018, 09:06:37 AM

All nice, but i think it is impossible to rate all coins other than bitcoin to be shitcoins.
Also, it's easy said.... shitcoins.
If you do, take an effort in telling wich are not shitcoins.I mean, a few months ago, everyone was wild over etherum (and many still are). Its too easy to call it a shitcoin due to bad weather on the market.

Personally; why shouldn't i set some auto-buys on ETH for a nice low low price.. Divericating my portofolio for a bargain..
I mean: its more likely for eth to do 1500 euros, as it would for Bitcoin to do 53000 euro's, right? Both doing X10 from today. Taken from this point it seems like a safe bet..


If not agree'd thats fine, but tell me why with facts, not opinions pls.

I'm a simple man.

I have a simple metric: Everything that was heavily pre-mined, insta-mined or air dropped is an automatic shitcoin.

There are other reasons I would throw a coin into that category, but this one takes care of the large majority... For example, only BTC, LTC and Monero are left from the top 10 after applying this simple rule.

It get's worse after that. Only Dogecoin is 'clean' out of the next 10...

okay, but how do you determine this?

just because of pre mining and such?
And as i recall (not sure)  doge was a coin made for fun to be used in gaming, so why wild this be an exeption? i think its only used for trading between coins? ( no harm meant, just trying to learn and understand.)


Yes, if it was pre-mined it's a shitcoin in my book.

Dogecoin was started as a complete joke. But it was done so openly with no BS. Many will put it in the shitcoin category just because of that. Some because it's merge mined with Litecoin. But it's still has one of the most fair launches of the top 20 coins. And it was used to donate to the Jamaican bobsled team to get them to the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics. And you have to give it points for that.

Looks like BTC dominance will head to 60% - wonder if the altcoins will become too tempting at that point - or if the trend will continue - not a huge amount going into BTC right now - and total cap across crypto dropping, so unless that changes think we'll see further rise in dominance

That said, I always like to hold a few million DOGE
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[...] I see the approval of an ETF in the USA to be less than 15% for 2018 and less than 31.5% for 2019 [...]

I'd say 31.5376561*π/3.14% for 2019 Wink
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1.  Decentralised PoS doesn’t even work in theory.  Core Devs keep kicking the Ice Age can down the road.

2.  Sharding is a fucking mess

3.  ETH blockchain is well over 1TB and growing fast.

4. Even exchanges are having trouble keeping their ETH tips synched

5. Utility token ICOs are gone forever.  

6. ETH still only does 16 tps

7.  There is no monetary policy with ETH.  It is just what the Core Devs make up on the day

8.  Vitalik is a a key man risk

9.  Solidity is insecure and unsuited for a store of value.

10.  If you are going to be centralized with PoS you may as well use Stellar which at least works smoothly

11.  One NFT with modest adoption (cryptokitties) crippled ETH for days
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