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Question: Oct. 16 Closing Price:
<$8,000 - 2 (2.2%)
$8,000-$8,500 - 0 (0%)
$8,500-$9,000 - 0 (0%)
$9,000-$9,500 - 0 (0%)
$9,500-$10,000 - 3 (3.4%)
$10,000-$10,500 - 5 (5.6%)
$10,500-$11,000 - 7 (7.9%)
$11,000-$11,500 - 13 (14.6%)
$11,500-$12,000 - 25 (28.1%)
$12,000-$12,500 - 14 (15.7%)
$12,500-$13,000 - 6 (6.7%)
$13,000-$13,500 - 4 (4.5%)
$13,500-$14,000 - 2 (2.2%)
>$14,000 - 8 (9%)
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January 23, 2019, 08:43:28 AM

If debt bondage is slavery then a bank loan is slavery. You are being deliberately absurd. Your entire argument is based on false premises. And as usual, you know it.

One random quote from the US State Department:

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Thai victims are recruited for employment opportunities abroad and deceived into incurring large debts on broker and recruitment fees, sometimes using family-owned land as collateral, making them vulnerable to exploitation at their destination. Thai nationals are known to be subjected to forced labor or sex trafficking in Australia, Bahrain, Brunei, Canada, China, Germany, India, Indonesia, Israel, Japan, Kuwait, Libya, Malaysia, the Maldives, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Africa, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Timor-Leste, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, the United States, Vietnam, and Yemen.

https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/210742.pdf
Finish the current argument before moving on. Does a bank loan make you a slave, yes or no?
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January 23, 2019, 08:53:07 AM

If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.
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January 23, 2019, 08:54:39 AM

If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.
Just answer the bloody question. It's amazing that lefties always do the same thing. Lots of words that say very little, and in as confusing and distracting a way as possible. Yes or no?
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January 23, 2019, 08:58:35 AM

Name me one example in which you will see strictly better results by complaining than by thinking up different potential solutions. You can't. Because complaining is a destructive force with a net effect that is either zero or negative.

What you call "complaining" I call advocacy.  And advocacy works.  We wouldn't have the UK modern slavery laws without advocacy.  

Making it illegal for Western companies to profit from slavery is highly effective, because the directors go directly to jail.  And guess what, company directors sit up in their chairs and pay attention when you say "if you don't do X, you will go to jail".   Then the directors tell their C-suite, "don't fuck up on X, or I will fire you without hesitation".  Those are real results, in real time.  

That is one you will see strictly better results by "complaining" rather than blaming the victim.  

Because what you are doing is blaming the slave for being a slave.  And that achieves nothing.  People like you avoid having to take responsibility for anything by always blaming the victim.  "If he wasn't such a dissident, he wouldn't have gone to Chinese prison camp". 

well stated. btw complaining about others complaining is... complaining.  Cheesy
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January 23, 2019, 09:05:07 AM

If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.
Just answer the bloody question. It's amazing that lefties always do the same thing. Lots of words that say very little, and in as confusing and distracting a way as possible. Yes or no?

No. It lacks the coercive elements.
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January 23, 2019, 09:07:04 AM

If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.
Just answer the bloody question. It's amazing that lefties always do the same thing. Lots of words that say very little, and in as confusing and distracting a way as possible. Yes or no?

No. It lacks the coercive elements.
Where on that site do they specify that they do not count bank loans as slavery?
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January 23, 2019, 09:12:02 AM

If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.
Just answer the bloody question. It's amazing that lefties always do the same thing. Lots of words that say very little, and in as confusing and distracting a way as possible. Yes or no?

There are no yes or no answers, Ibian.

For the most part, the world does not work like that.   Tongue Tongue Cheesy Cheesy
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January 23, 2019, 09:14:07 AM

*snip*

I don't remember when I specifically said "an expensive boat". I said a yacht. Maybe that's why you are confused since yachts are usually expensive boats. I should have said "a boat" my bad.

A sailboat has the same meaning as a yacht for me. So I was actually describing a sailboat.

for example:



I think that's a reasonable goal.
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Wow I use this exact example when Im talking to people about communication, requirements and having a clear vision.

2 people can be saying boat, neither is wrong, and yet they can be so far away from each other. Its the perfect example.

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January 23, 2019, 09:18:38 AM

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Debt bondage is a status or condition, where one person has pledged their labour or service (or that of someone under their control), in circumstances where the fair value of that labour or service is not reasonably applied to reducing the debt or length of debt, or the length and nature of the service is not limited or defined.

If you are not working for the owner of the debt, it’s not debt bondage.   Your bank does not determine your wage.
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Debt bondage
Debt bondage is a status or condition, where one person has pledged their labour or service (or that of someone under their control), in circumstances where the fair value of that labour or service is not reasonably applied to reducing the debt or length of debt, or the length and nature of the service is not limited or defined.

If you are not working for the owner of the debt, it’s not debt bondage.  

Too many subjective terms there. What is fair value? What is a reasonable application? You could easily argue that the amount of interest the typical bank takes is unreasonable, for example.

That's the problem with leftist causes. There is just enough ambiguity that they can get away with whatever definition they want. And that makes their claims worthless.

I'm done with that particular issue now, it leads nowhere. The bigger issue is that we have bigger problems than shithole country slavery. At most it's a symptom of a larger problem.
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January 23, 2019, 09:36:13 AM

Shocking if true... mostly its inside job, I always fear of such incidents I knew one low level exchange saving their data on google drive.

Hacked Customer Data From World Leading Cryptocurrency Exchanges like Bittrex, Poloniex, Bitfinex, and Binance is sale On The Dark Web?

On a darknet market called “Dread,” a vendor going by “ExploitDOT” is attempting to sell user data from the know-your-customer (KYC) data top cryptocurrency exchanges ask for, required by most jurisdictions.

the hacker has an ad that has been online since July 2018, in which he claims to have hacked documents used in KYC checks – including identity cards and drivers’ licenses – from users of top exchanges.



As proof, the cybersecurity expert got pictures of individuals holding up a piece of paper with the word “Binance” and the date the picture was taken at. In these pictures, their faces are visible, as well as their identity cards or drivers’ licenses.

https://www.ccn.com/hacked-customer-data-from-world-leading-cryptocurrency-exchanges-for-sale-on-the-dark-web/

Update:

There is an official response from Binance CEO


Binance KYC data breach is fake news
https://decryptmedia.com/4609/binance-kyc-data-breach
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January 23, 2019, 09:58:11 AM


Because of the easy on ramp, but don't they own Poloniex now, or circle group or something? is it easier than their own stuff?

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January 23, 2019, 10:09:06 AM

*snip*

I don't remember when I specifically said "an expensive boat". I said a yacht. Maybe that's why you are confused since yachts are usually expensive boats. I should have said "a boat" my bad.

A sailboat has the same meaning as a yacht for me. So I was actually describing a sailboat.

for example:



I think that's a reasonable goal.

Wow I use this exact example when Im talking to people about communication, requirements and having a clear vision.

2 people can be saying boat, neither is wrong, and yet they can be so far away from each other. Its the perfect example.



Yeah I saw how he is failing to understand me so i searched "yacht" on google.

These are the results:



That's when I realized the word "yacht" doesn't mean what I thought it does.

These "yachts" not reasonable goals for average Joe's. Don't aim for impossible shit.
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January 23, 2019, 10:09:33 AM

On an unrelated side note. It's quite interesting how the subsets of shared opinion holders on this thread seem to go through all possible permutations.

a bit like machine learning
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January 23, 2019, 10:14:36 AM

If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.
Just answer the bloody question. It's amazing that lefties always do the same thing. Lots of words that say very little, and in as confusing and distracting a way as possible. Yes or no?

If X yes otherwise no.

How is that not a correct answer?

Don't bring left ideologies in that debate. Bank is shit that's all what left has to say about that.
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January 23, 2019, 10:16:03 AM

If debt bondage is slavery then a bank loan is slavery. You are being deliberately absurd. Your entire argument is based on false premises. And as usual, you know it.

One random quote from the US State Department:

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Thai victims are recruited for employment opportunities abroad and deceived into incurring large debts on broker and recruitment fees, sometimes using family-owned land as collateral, making them vulnerable to exploitation at their destination. Thai nationals are known to be subjected to forced labor or sex trafficking in Australia, Bahrain, Brunei, Canada, China, Germany, India, Indonesia, Israel, Japan, Kuwait, Libya, Malaysia, the Maldives, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Africa, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Timor-Leste, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, the United States, Vietnam, and Yemen.

https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/210742.pdf

They lose their passports to the baddies
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*snip*

I don't remember when I specifically said "an expensive boat". I said a yacht. Maybe that's why you are confused since yachts are usually expensive boats. I should have said "a boat" my bad.

A sailboat has the same meaning as a yacht for me. So I was actually describing a sailboat.

for example:



I think that's a reasonable goal.

Wow I use this exact example when Im talking to people about communication, requirements and having a clear vision.

2 people can be saying boat, neither is wrong, and yet they can be so far away from each other. Its the perfect example.



Yeah I saw how he is failing to understand me so i searched "yacht" on google.

These are the results:



That's when I realized the word "yacht" doesn't mean what I thought it does.

These "yachts" not reasonable goals for average Joe's. Don't aim for impossible shit.

Yeah but human basic training covers this,



hehe

blame Abromovitch or whoever. Big, bigger Biggest!
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January 23, 2019, 10:24:57 AM

If debt bondage is slavery then a bank loan is slavery. You are being deliberately absurd. Your entire argument is based on false premises. And as usual, you know it.

One random quote from the US State Department:

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Thai victims are recruited for employment opportunities abroad and deceived into incurring large debts on broker and recruitment fees, sometimes using family-owned land as collateral, making them vulnerable to exploitation at their destination. Thai nationals are known to be subjected to forced labor or sex trafficking in Australia, Bahrain, Brunei, Canada, China, Germany, India, Indonesia, Israel, Japan, Kuwait, Libya, Malaysia, the Maldives, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Africa, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Timor-Leste, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, the United States, Vietnam, and Yemen.

https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/210742.pdf

Hairy is right. Slavery exists in America. It's not a matter of opinion. People come over from 3rd world countries all the time, have their passports taken away and are forced into some kind of job... Not just sex slavery, though that is a popular one. Recently the U.S. halted issuing visas to Filipino overseas workers with the second biggest reason being "human trafficking concerns."

https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/01/22/19/us-removes-philippines-from-h-2ah-2b-eligibility-list

Back in my health insurance fraud analyst days there was an English/Chilean cult-of-personality psychiatrist who recruited people to come on a "spiritual retreat" with him in Florida, then when they got there he confiscated their passports and forced them to be his servants. It happens all the fucking time.

https://www.lavoz.com.ar/noticias/sucesos/detienen-buenos-aires-famoso-psiquiatra-millonario-fraude-eeuu
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