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August 20, 2019, 01:33:40 AM

Damn awful late at here, time for a well earned HODLsleep
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Last edit: August 20, 2019, 02:17:48 AM by cAPSLOCK

I think this is empirical proof that we have Lady HODLers here  Cheesy




You think the gals are the 41%?  I can't imagine we have THAT many... Wink
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I think this is empirical proof that we have Lady HODLers here  Cheesy




You think the gals are the 38%?  I can't imagine we have THAT many... Wink

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The best scenario is buy BTC when it was below $50. (Ideally, when it was below $1).
Dont troll yourself with what ifs.    Generally everyone should save a little more because it makes you alot better off in future.   

this.

dont beat yourself up by not buying in in the single/double digits. the price does whatever it pleases. it used to fluctuate wildly at the slightest fud/good news, now? nothing. the price just sits around and seemingly ignores the world. till it doesnt.

sure i wish i had mined or bought more (and been more careful storing them) back in 2011 when i got started. in hindsight and 20/20 rear vision i could be on a private island now. but the who point of this experiment was to see if it worked. that meant testing mining, pools, wallets, exchanges, software, selling/buying for btc, all that. and it needed people with vision (and later greed) to play with it. not just stack em all up.  stack some for the visionaries, sure. but they needed to be used.

so i played. i had no idea thenn that the value would reach what it is now today (~10-11k) let alone that ~20k ath. and i have no regrets really. i sell when needed, and ive lately sold enough to set plans in motion that hopefully carry my wife and i into a very comfortable lifestyle. could that 11k average price of been much higher if i waited to see if the price rose? sure.. maybe. and maybe it would of been lower. point is, dont try to time the market unless youre really really good at it.. but otherwise buy corn when you have extra disposable fiat, sell corn when needed. dont bother looking at the price.

of course some people have much better strategies, but this is my hodling-occasional cashout strategy. its worked fairly well for me well despite my own stupidity. ymmv.

We can repeat until we are blue in the face, that guys (and gal) should not be attempting to time the market, and that is part of the reason why the buy, accumulate and HODL strategy has paid off so well.... so even if you end up selling some BTC, you should be keeping a vast majority of you holdings - so accordingly NOT selling too much.  In my first few years in bitcoin, between late 2013 and late 2016, I would stay somewhat obsessive about buying and replacing any BTC that I spent, and in that regard, the total number of my BTC slowly went up and up and up.... slowly (even though sometimes the value of my holdings (in dollars) was not going up).
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On Sept 23rd we’re set to launch two physically delivered bitcoin futures contracts:
• Bakkt Bitcoin (USD) Daily Futures
• Bakkt Bitcoin (USD) Monthly Futures
https://twitter.com/Bakkt/status/1163516283691950086

Wow, finally. CME Futures launched = BEAR MARKET, Bakkt Futures = MOON ? Cool
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I think this is empirical proof that we have Lady HODLers here  Cheesy




You think the gals are the 38%?  I can't imagine we have THAT many... Wink

 Grin..

There is symmetry in the poll. They balance out perfectly!

Those who don't have Bitcoin in any real amount, think about SEX.

They also think about Bitcoin, but the odds at this point even for the geeks on here, with little Bitcoin, is
that you'd likely get Sex before any Bitcoin of a significant amount to matter.

 So as long as you are daydreaming, may as well be the more likely aspect of Sex vs Bitcoin. As either is unlikely. Sad

Those with Bitcoin who have a 'significant' amount think more about Bitcoin then Sex because they are 'getting' plenty of Sex.

But they realize they are geeks, so think more about Bitcoin in order to continue to get Sex.

Geeks that they are they find it is fun, but realize they must think more about Bitcoin and how to get more, in order to keep this addiction to sex going.
Without Bitcoin, they are 'whiny' little dweebs on the Wall Observer Here, and that would be torture to go back to that life, now that Bitcoin has shown them Sex
with an actual 'gasp' person vs the Japanese Silicone Love Doll. Smiley They know the 'magic formula' for Sex is MORE HODL and MORE Bitcoin. Smiley

Thus the poll makes perfect sense. Because really, everyone here all they really think about is Bitcoin, with the result of getting enough to
always have Sex. It is just as geeks, Bitcoin HODL'ing from back in the day has made both daydreams possible! Those geeks without significant
Bitcoin has NO chance to discover the mystery of Sex. It is how the world is.

So those who need to get more and HODL to someday have sex, you need to get moving and get some! Before the price pumps to $100k or some such.

So those who are getting Sex with Bitcoin, PACE YOURSELF! You are likely overweight/middle-aged and out of shape!  Thus whoever is pumping you are likely trying to kill you off
quickly and get your Bitcoin, before Bitcoin price pumps!

So it is a race!

Play hard to get! Go to a Gym! Can't get sex if you are screwed to death you out of shape geek! It's a frigging honey badger trap!

So again, the poll is exactly as it should be!

Brad

(I'm so lonely) Sad



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Those who don't have Bitcoin in any real amount, think about SEX.

Those who have bitcoin have no need to think about bitcoin. So they have sex.
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Those who don't have Bitcoin in any real amount, think about SEX.

Those who have bitcoin have no need to think about bitcoin. So they have sex.

The question was not about "having", it was about thinking  Grin

BTW, IRL general population, females are thinking/dreaming about sex much more than men (anecdotal evidence).
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ATH with the new year. Only a year and a half left to 100k. Buy now or cry later.

Get ready. Cool

*who still calls me a bear now?*

You bear, now.



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Here's the thing...  If BTC dominance is that low then there will be a handful of BIG alts. Just the ones with real use cases and promise.  There is NO WAY the ICO p&ds are going to go back up.  That ship has sailed.

So to be honest I would not be surprised to see a few alts go up with BTC.  But not so much that BTC dominance goes way under 50%

Isn't there a current trend likelihood with stablecoins, and there could be some "stablecoins" like facebook coin or some others that might not even be known, yet, that take up  (or dilute) some of the market cap, including undermining that fake measure on coinmarket cap of BTC dominance?



So to be honest I would not be surprised to see a few alts go up with BTC.  But not so much that BTC dominance goes way under 50%

Yes.. that would entail some alts way outstripping BTC on % rises. With 50% dominance,  20% rise in BTC  infers  some better performing alts multiplying up (and that's assuming its the bigger ones).  I think that very unlikely.



I think there will be alts with big dominance:

• USD stable coins

• Tokenised loans paying interest

• Tokenised bitcoin futures

• New attempts at the “next Bitcoin” including more Bitcoin forks

Basically a plethora of exotic financial instruments and derivatives.   No ICO shit. That stuff is dead.

What he (hairy) said.
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Nope. Looks like you are serious.  Have fun with that stuff.  Keep an eye out for the lizard people.  

LOL, out of sMerit, otherwise I'd give you all of 'em.

Snopes may not always be correct but I'd trust them far more than infowars. Also, the person who was objecting to the snopes link can always go there and verify *their* sources. The infowars type of places never seem to have verifiable sources, for obvious reasons.

I find this graphic to be useful as a gut check when reading online...


Source: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/


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Looking at CNN and FOX NEWS and it seems to be spot on 👍🏻

Here’s the thing.  

I am an avowed leftie and I have never heard of any of the organizations on the hard left of the spectrum, other than Daily KOS.  And I can’t remember having recently read anything on Daily KOS.    

But the hard right organizations like Fox News are everywhere.   

Right- that's how you can tell that chart is B.S. Several members of the "hyper-partisan right" column just so happen to be the handful of right-leaning mainstream/semi-mainstream news organizations. All the members of the "hyper-partisan left" column are a bunch of fringe sites. Meanwhile, the left-leaning mainstream news sites are portrayed as "neutral".
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I think there will be alts with big dominance:

• USD stable coins

• Tokenised loans paying interest

• Tokenised bitcoin futures

• New attempts at the “next Bitcoin” including more Bitcoin forks

Basically a plethora of exotic financial instruments and derivatives.   No ICO shit. That stuff is dead.

What he (hairy) said.

Unlikely. Not that I care much, but you underestimate the ability of Wall Street to create a rush to some token in a true bull market.
Some zombies might revive and some will join the fray.
Why? Because there is a certain group of investors who harp on POW and think that POS will allow them to "earn" interest.
However, the only way btc goes from 10.8K to 29K in 6mo and STILL loses up to 30% of dominance would mean top three-five alts quadrupling to quintupling in the same 6mo.
IMHO, it's not going to happen.
I don't see how btc can truly earn interest, apart from questionable re-hypothecation schemes (in which I don't partake).
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Unlikely. Not that I care much, but you underestimate the ability of Wall Street to create a rush to some token in a true bull market.
Some zombies might revive and some will join the fray.
Why? Because there is a certain group of investors who harp on POW and think that POS will allow them to "earn" interest.
I don't see how btc can truly earn interest, apart from questionable re-hypothecation schemes (in which I don't partake).

I don't see how in my earlier post, I am making any kind of "estimation" of the power of wall street that significantly or materially differs from your estimations of the powers (abilities) of wall street.
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Unlikely. Not that I care much, but you underestimate the ability of Wall Street to create a rush to some token in a true bull market.
Some zombies might revive and some will join the fray.
Why? Because there is a certain group of investors who harp on POW and think that POS will allow them to "earn" interest.
I don't see how btc can truly earn interest, apart from questionable re-hypothecation schemes (in which I don't partake).

I don't see how in my earlier post, I am making any kind of "estimation" of the power of wall street that significantly or materially differs from your estimations of the powers (abilities) of wall street.

You are agreeing with the opinion that ONLY some unclear tokenization (how loan tokenization creates any value whatsoever-a rhetorical question) and new btc forks (lol) would create significant market cap value.
There are better candidates.
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Unlikely. Not that I care much, but you underestimate the ability of Wall Street to create a rush to some token in a true bull market.
Some zombies might revive and some will join the fray.
Why? Because there is a certain group of investors who harp on POW and think that POS will allow them to "earn" interest.
I don't see how btc can truly earn interest, apart from questionable re-hypothecation schemes (in which I don't partake).

I don't see how in my earlier post, I am making any kind of "estimation" of the power of wall street that significantly or materially differs from your estimations of the powers (abilities) of wall street.

You are agreeing with the opinion that ONLY some unclear tokenization (how loan tokenization creates any value whatsoever-a rhetorical question) and new btc forks (lol) would create significant market cap value.
There are better candidates.

I didn't believe that I was saying that, and it looks like you subsequently edited your post to hone in on my response to hairy's comment.  That was not in your first response because it looked like you were responding to my whole post (or I  could not determine which part).

Anywhooooo,  I was just thinking that there were potentially a lot of ways that BTC dominance measures might be manipulated, and I was just trying to add that angle to the speculation regarding where bitcoin might be a year or two down the road, and Hairy posted a bit of a more elaborate listing of possible scenarios, all of which are speculative in terms of ways in which the BTC market dominant measure might be represented in the future.  Sure, I don't discount forks or any kind of shenanigans that would appear to manipulate and cause bitcoin to look less important than what it is... I am not sure if you buy more into the belief of some kind of significant meaning of the coinmarket cap bitcoin dominance or if you agree that it appears to be an ongoing indicator that is attempted to be used for FUD purposes, including that some coins will get listed on there in such a way that was largely smoke and mirrors, historically, ripple, ethereum and the two bcash forks have been accused of that kind of manipulation, but surely there are several others that try to get listed high on that list in order to cause themselves to seem more legitimate - but at the same time the measure is used in order to attempt to make bitcoin seem like it is somehow in the same league as those shitcoin projects that are listed thereon.
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Unlikely. Not that I care much, but you underestimate the ability of Wall Street to create a rush to some token in a true bull market.
Some zombies might revive and some will join the fray.
Why? Because there is a certain group of investors who harp on POW and think that POS will allow them to "earn" interest.
I don't see how btc can truly earn interest, apart from questionable re-hypothecation schemes (in which I don't partake).

I don't see how in my earlier post, I am making any kind of "estimation" of the power of wall street that significantly or materially differs from your estimations of the powers (abilities) of wall street.

You are agreeing with the opinion that ONLY some unclear tokenization (how loan tokenization creates any value whatsoever-a rhetorical question) and new btc forks (lol) would create significant market cap value.
There are better candidates.

I didn't believe that I was saying that, and it looks like you subsequently edited your post to hone in on my response to hairy's comment.  That was not in your first response because it looked like you were responding to my whole post (or I  could not determine which part).

Anywhooooo,  I was just thinking that there were potentially a lot of ways that BTC dominance measures might be manipulated, and I was just trying to add that angle to the speculation regarding where bitcoin might be a year or two down the road, and Hairy posted a bit of a more elaborate listing of possible scenarios, all of which are speculative in terms of ways in which the BTC market dominant measure might be represented in the future.  Sure, I don't discount forks or any kind of shenanigans that would appear to manipulate and cause bitcoin to look less important than what it is... I am not sure if you buy more into the belief of some kind of significant meaning of the coinmarket cap bitcoin dominance or if you agree that it appears to be an ongoing indicator that is attempted to be used for FUD purposes, including that some coins will get listed on there in such a way that was largely smoke and mirrors, historically, ripple, ethereum and the two bcash forks have been accused of that kind of manipulation, but surely there are several others that try to get listed high on that list in order to cause themselves to seem more legitimate - but at the same time the measure is used in order to attempt to make bitcoin seem like it is somehow in the same league as those shitcoin projects that are listed thereon.

*checks Dogecoin  Cry
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Facts have a liberal bias

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2) Contradictions, by their very nature, do not exist.
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