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August 18, 2019, 02:08:00 PM

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nothing controversial about that at all. lol
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August 18, 2019, 02:41:00 PM

For examples, why do you think the Nazis did what they did. Because they were evil? or because they thought they were doing the right thing in the interests of their country and people.

Because there was a "good speaker" who together with his "Marketing team" managed to hit the right buttons and his message(s) met the ears of the sheeps who where open to follow that ideas. In the end those who stand up against that, got hunted down (+fear for not following) and everybody got a allegiance with what-ever they could follow in hords.

That was well thought by the initiatiors and it´s still the same for many groups, that "scheme" is working. "Find the right words and offer a hand to those who have nothing else in life to follow/feel attached to etc."

That's more of the how. Listen to their writings, they honestly thought they were there to save the German race and that if they didn't it would be the end of the Germanic people. Their methods (of course evil) are irrelevant, they believed they were doing what was necessary and what was right.

My point is why did they feel they needed to save their country and people? The Bolsheviks were the same.

Groups like these are created by the government ignoring the plight of their people and instead focusing on enriching themselves by serving the rich and powerful. The war between labor and capital never ceases.

Well, I´d guess: ego-driven craving for power by psychopats
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August 18, 2019, 02:57:15 PM

Is this what "antifa" do?


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Many of the worst conditions in the world are now losing the freedom to speak freely, many problems are being created in the world politically and that is why social unrest is being created. Big guys use their hair to stay in power illegally The picture is just one example of that.
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August 18, 2019, 03:28:43 PM

Q: What changes enacted since then to stave off the possibility of further such events have actually made progress towards that objective?

2. There are a ton of changes that have been made to the financial system since, such as the amount of margin banks are required to hold and reducing lending against toxic instruments. That lending now tends to come from shadow banking institutions and hedge funds.

The changes enacted were ostensibly to reduce the prevalence of 'too big to fail' institutions, to reduce the prevalence of exotic derivatives, and to reduce the prevalence of debt held by giant institutions collateralizing further debt held by giant institutions. Those were the stated objectives that would serve the goal of reducing systemic risk to the financial system. How are those objectives holding up?

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Whether pushing the toxic crap out to hedge funds helps the stability of global financial system remains to be seen. Either way you can be assured the world’s governments would just bail the banks out again.  The precedent has already been set.

Immediately before the GFC, the FED had plenty of dry powder (such as a 5% federal funds rate as but one example) to deal with such a crisis. Today?

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In short, there is no particular reason to think the next financial crisis will tip over the apple cart.

The only out they have, should it hit today, is to inflate the dollar to levels that all but ensure a loss of trust, likely ending in a Venezuelan-style death spiral. Well, either that, or let the owners of the banks take the hit (albeit with associated collateral damage). And we know that's not gonna be the route they take.
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August 18, 2019, 03:30:35 PM

If any consolation I am not really bullish for another 1.5 months. We need to wait for October.

"Wake me up when September ends"
- B J Armstrong
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August 18, 2019, 03:34:43 PM

The current bond inversion is sufficiently foreseen that this recession will be avoided.

The current bond inversion 'tis but a sideshow. Or more properly a side effect.
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August 18, 2019, 03:38:14 PM

It depends what country you're talking about. A recession anytime soon is off the table for the US, but the rest of the world is in trouble.

But the effects would not be the same either. The US stock market is crazy high, so a recession has to krach it. I'm in Europe, and the stock market has been flat for years, and growth low. So going from 1/1.5% growth to -0.5/-1%, while a recession, will not be a big shock. Personally I will have no fears for my job for example, and continue to get raises even. My country isn't even forecasting a recession yet.
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August 18, 2019, 03:38:54 PM

expect large US infrastructure spends in the future. This would be enough for the US to avoid recession alone.

The US gubmint can financialize themselves any amount of currency. The problem is that those in charge confuse financializing currency with marshaling wealth. Funny thing about wealth is that it is tangible, and cannot be zapped into existence by an entry into a spreadsheet.
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August 18, 2019, 03:41:01 PM

The US may not fall into recession, but a lot of the world will. US bond inversion is most likely due to the rest of the world's money printing. There is talk of the US playing around with 50 and 100 year bonds. If so, and maybe regardless, expect large US infrastructure spends in the future. This would be enough for the US to avoid recession alone. Time will tell.

With that, I disagree. First of all the US is already propping up its economy with completely crazy deficits, which is not the case elsewhere.

But more importantly, plenty of its growth comes from multinational companies, in the tech sector notably, that will get hurt with a global recession, and local infrastructure spending will not help.
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August 18, 2019, 03:43:31 PM

expect large US infrastructure spends in the future. This would be enough for the US to avoid recession alone.

The US gubmint can financialize themselves any amount of currency. The problem is that those in charge confuse financializing currency with marshaling wealth. Funny thing about wealth is that it is tangible, and cannot be zapped into existence by an entry into a spreadsheet.

Well infrastructure is wealth, if of course it's targeted, not airports in the middle of deserts like sometimes happens (in Spain famously). The US should also spend a lot on education to raise the level of its citizens.

I'm very doubtful any of that will happen though, as indeed people in charge (companies propping up US politicians) don't care about the long term.
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August 18, 2019, 03:48:13 PM

It depends what country you're talking about. A recession anytime soon is off the table for the US, but the rest of the world is in trouble.

But the effects would not be the same either. The US stock market is crazy high, so a recession has to krach it. I'm in Europe, and the stock market has been flat for years, and growth low. So going from 1/1.5% growth to -0.5/-1%, while a recession, will not be a big shock. Personally I will have no fears for my job for example, and continue to get raises even. My country isn't even forecasting a recession yet.

countries are reluctant to announce a possible recession publicly. if they do, investments decline and a recession becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
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August 18, 2019, 03:58:27 PM


https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/invest-1-000-bitcoin-instead-110127803.html

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Should you invest £1,000 in Bitcoin instead of relying on the State Pension?

Despite the City’s doubts, Bitcoin now looks as if it’s here to stay and the crypto asset seems to have taken on a new role in financial markets.
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These developments seem to suggest many investors believe Bitcoin offers the same kind of safe haven qualities as gold.

The two assets do have some things in common. Neither is controlled by a government or central bank and there will only ever be a limited amount of gold and Bitcoins in the world. Further, gold can be a great store of value, and you can use it to buy or sell other assets all over the world. The same goes for Bitcoin.
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August 18, 2019, 04:05:08 PM

I have a two-day trip with the Jeep, hard offroad, they are 2500 meters high mountains, there are bears, we know what bears do with bulls.

If I don't return in 3 days...

Bye guys.

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August 18, 2019, 04:08:10 PM

I have a two-day trip with the Jeep, hard offroad, they are 2500 meters high mountains, there are bears, we know what bears do with bulls.

If I don't return in 3 days...

Bye guys.

Haha, have fun and be careful Smiley
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August 18, 2019, 04:11:30 PM

expect large US infrastructure spends in the future. This would be enough for the US to avoid recession alone.

The US gubmint can financialize themselves any amount of currency. The problem is that those in charge confuse financializing currency with marshaling wealth. Funny thing about wealth is that it is tangible, and cannot be zapped into existence by an entry into a spreadsheet.

Well infrastructure is wealth

Building of infrastructure requires wealth. Once the financialization party is over, the building stops.
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August 18, 2019, 04:12:26 PM

If you got rid of Antifa the ProudBoys and other violent alt-right groups would still be here. Not the other way around.

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August 18, 2019, 04:22:33 PM

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Extremist on both sides, don't kid yourself. Antifa is just as bad.
Define "Bad". Haven't seen many Libs shooting people lately, the days of the Weather Underground and SDS appear to be long gone (ah, those were the DAYS!).

Overall this is just another chapter of a very old and kind of annoying thing: You can go back to the Anti-masons of JQ Adams, which morphed into the Whigs, which then splintered into the "Know Nothings" of the 1850's, then the "American Party" of the 1880's, which resurfaced as the "KKK" of the 1920's *, which became the American Nazi Party of the 1930's, which quieted down for awhile but came back with the Tea Party of the 2008's, which has now morphed into the "Proud Boys".

Each time there had to be a straw man "enemy" as these groups don't work without an external threat. So you had the Masons, The Catholics/Papists, the "Blacks", the "Jews", the "Liberals", and now of course "the Antifa!". Whatever, just a straw man to beat up in cute cartoons and throw down....

So just think of PB's and their ilk as KKK/Anti-masons and you're pretty much there. Nothing to be ashamed of per se, it simply is what it is: The latest incantation of a pretty old set of policies that young people stumble on and think is GREAT (Disclaimer, Raynd is like that too :-).

* Note: The KKK of the 1920's has almost NOTHING to do with the dead-enders after the Civil War. Motives were very different, and lined up far closer to the Know Nothings of yore. When that blew up due to blatant corruption in the late 20's, the same ideas were recycled into the American nazis, which really had a problem after the "Real" nazis went down.
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August 18, 2019, 04:33:52 PM


I imagine his wife was sitting next to him so he had to say that.  That woman is in the 99.9999th precentile.  I don't want to get carried away though as Bob hasn't weighed in on the nails situation yet.
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August 18, 2019, 04:40:44 PM



It looks like the guy who just performed the slow motion KO was about to beat down that chick who just entered the frame from the left. I would like to see the next 5 seconds of what happened.
You can see them here https://youtu.be/-pvf8ftpRWg?t=450
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August 18, 2019, 04:45:20 PM

OP gone mad LOL



I am sure those who picked sex, does not have a girlfriend or wife 🤪

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