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March 16, 2022, 03:16:49 AM

Well, that was short but sweet.



My god, even the bitcoin roller coaster guy has become infested with that NFT bullshit.
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Bitcoin and Models
I have created 3 models using Power Law and DPC Model whose data was provided to me by @DeFi_initiate.

This below chart contains the prediction of all these models (2021-2026):
1. Power Law
2. DPC Model
3. AVGPD - Average of Power Law and DPC Model
4. AVGD2 - Average of DPC Model and AVGPD
5. AVGALL - Average of Power Law, DPC Model, AVGPD and AVGD2.

Lowest BTC Price by All these Models for 2022-2026:
Power Law: $35,099
DPC: $18,334
AVGPD: $33,123
AVGD2: $25,944
AVGALL: $31,382

Highest BTC Price by All these Models for 2022-2026:
Power Law: $217,776
DPC: $389,245
AVGPD: $267,594
AVGD2: $328,420
AVGALL: $282,801



That's nice. It looks like there will be a great opportunity to BTFD on 01/01/2023. Got to make sure I load Kraken with a good amount of funny money (a.k.a. fiat) before then.

Looks to me like the listed models (which are two rather than three and than figuring out if there is better data by averaging the averages of the models) are retarded, and you are retarded too, AlcoHoDL .. to follow such consensus forming "down before up" nonsense models... or the rendition of such models by someone who seems to be filled with persistent and ongoing DOWNity hopenium and to have few clues about other variations of models that actually exist in bitcoinlandia.... #nohomo

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I appreciate that you AlcoHoDL were likely toying with such retarded "enlightened-lackening" wishenings, rather than really taking such nonsense seriously...

My opening phrase says it all. "That's nice." as in "That's nice, you fucking beartard." Can this even be considered to be anything other than a joke? Frankly, considering that my profit/loss threshold currently stands at about $1800, I don't even care much if it drops to $20k or even less. But I'm pretty sure that it won't.



Models, models everywhere! One can construct a model that fits a specific narrative -- any narrative. So, beartards tend to build beartard models, while bulls tend to build bullish models. Which tells us one thing: never trust any model you come across in the intertoobz. Personally, I never blindly trust a model. Any model. The only "model" I take seriously, is Bitcoin's Halving 4-year cycle. Supply is cut in half every four years. There's no need to know anything more that this, to know that its price will rise. The 200-Week MA confirms this, as well as the WMAs below it, down to the 169-Week MA, as Phil_S has shown (the less weeks in a monotonically increasing MA indicator, the steadier the price appreciation over time). MA indicators are not models, but one can extrapolate from them (esp. the longer-horizon ones, such at the 200-Week MA) and get a pretty good estimate of what's coming. That's more than enough for me. Anything short-term is Crystal Ball material, and I treat it as such.

Back to ImThour's self-fulfilling predictors, false as they may be, if they make me dream of BTFD at a price under $20k, so be it. As much as I'd hate for the price to drop so low, and I don't believe it will, I'd take that opportunity to buy cheap coins without hesitation. For long-term HoDLers like us, either way it goes in the short term is a win-win. Low increases our stash, high increases our profits. And the long-term trend is virtually guaranteed UPpity. What's there not to like?
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March 16, 2022, 03:37:28 AM
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China or Elon shouldn't matter any more... bitcoin is now way over the effects of a single person or or a single country.
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China or Elon shouldn't matter any more... bitcoin is now way over the effects of a single person or or a single country.

Unless that country is Russia or person is Putin

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models you say

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My opening phrase says it all. "That's nice." as in "That's nice, you fucking beartard." Can this even be considered to be anything other than a joke? Frankly, considering that my profit/loss threshold currently stands at about $1800, I don't even care much if it drops to $20k or even less. But I'm pretty sure that it won't.

I suppose that we are both having a bit of fun here with some of the extremes of the goofball, yet sometimes we might need to clarify because there are likely some people who might end up believing that his assertions might be reasonable... and so it does not hurt sometimes that we might want to put out some numbers to make sure we keep our grip upon reality.

We have already discussed that if there were some kind of extreme dip right now, we might be able to get down to the 200-week moving average, which is currently approaching $20.5k, but even if we look at how much support has been holding, it seems as if it would take quite a bit of effort to even get down that far... never say never, but geez... let me see $33k get breached first, then $28.6k, and then lower $20ks would then become possible.. so there are a few thresholds to get below first.

Furthermore, we had a 56% correction from $64,895 down to $28,600 that took place in May, June, July.. and then more recently we got a 52% correction down from $69k to $32,951, so far.. .these correction come after a price appreciation that might have been 7x at best.. and surely we might have to consider how long it has taken such 7x to take place... including whether measuring from the bottom, middle or top.. of various potentially representative price points that played out between December 2017 and September 2020.. in order to figure out what would be a potentially representative jumping off price point... and it seems hardly obvious that we even have greater than 50% odds that we will have any kind of further down from here.. this might be the last day to get BTC below $40k and such a UPpity scenario seems to be more likely than the conglomeration of BTC price models that ImThour has been throwing out there while hoping that something might stick.. perhaps? perhaps?



Models, models everywhere! One can construct a model that fits a specific narrative -- any narrative. So, beartards tend to build beartard models, while bulls tend to build bullish models. Which tells us one thing: never trust any model you come across in the intertoobz.

well maybe... perhaps take the models with a grain of salt, even though it seems that some models give us better depictions of reality as compared with other models.... and in that regard, I think that bull models do tend to do better.. at least directionally to help us to figure out where we are, based on where we have been and where we might well be going.

Personally, I never blindly trust a model. Any model. The only "model" I take seriously, is Bitcoin's Halving 4-year cycle. Supply is cut in half every four years. There's no need to know anything more that this, to know that its price will rise.

Sorry to say.. you do know more than that... and so in that regard.. yeah.. directionally we know which way we are likely going, even if we are not sure about how far we are going to go and how long it is going to take.. but other than that.. we have pretty decent ideas about directionally which way we are going and which models point that out to us better than other models..

The 200-Week MA confirms this, as well as the WMAs below it, down to the 169-Week MA, as Phil_S has shown (the less weeks in a monotonically increasing MA indicator, the steadier the price appreciation over time). MA indicators are not models, but one can extrapolate from them (esp. the longer-horizon ones, such at the 200-Week MA) and get a pretty good estimate of what's coming. That's more than enough for me. Anything short-term is Crystal Ball material, and I treat it as such.

Fair enough.. we are thinking similarly.. but making our assertions a wee bit differently.. and in the end.. we have decent ideas about the ongoing direction.

Back to ImThour's self-fulfilling predictors, false as they may be, if they make me dream of BTFD at a price under $20k, so be it.

Long shot.. but it is possible that it could happen.. but not too good to be assiging too high of odds to such fantasies.. especially since we still seem to be in a bull market...

Now, if we were in a bear market, then surely touching the 200-week moving average which is currently at $20.5k or even wicking below it quickly would have a wee bit higher odds, but currently, the odds seem to be quite a long shot.. 10% might even be charitable... but if we were to get below $33k and then below $28.6k and then the odds would start to become higher than 10%.. but currently, I probably would not put anything greater than 2% or 5% on such a gamble.. even though I understand that reasonable minds can assess these matters differently regarding the assignment of odds... including how much brainpower or how much typing power should go into such long shot scenarios.

As much as I'd hate for the price to drop so low, and I don't believe it will, I'd take that opportunity to buy cheap coins without hesitation. For long-term HoDLers like us, either way it goes in the short term is a win-win.

win/win?  I am not sure.  I would really hate it.. but surely, I still have buy orders going down that far...and I would hate it all the way if any of those got filled below $33k... even though I still am not prepared to rest assured that our current $32,951 bottom is in until we spend at least a day above $46k and maybe even I am not really going to rest assured about the $32,951 bottom being in until we spend a day above $50k...that's my tentative concentration points.. and fucking sad all the way down I would be while buying up a few coins just to make my lil selfie feel less bad and also I would have to end up reassessing that we are likely not in a bullmarket anymore.. would not feel like any kind of win for me.. even though financially and psychologically I am prepared for extremes.. even extremes that I do not want to happen and even extremes that I consider to be quite unlikely to happen... such as a wicking down or below the current 200-week moving average.

Low increases our stash, high increases our profits. And the long-term trend is virtually guaranteed UPpity. What's there not to like?

Lot's of weak hands would be shaken for sure.. and maybe some of the shitcoins might end up getting purged.. but I still would not like it.. ... .. I might even need to make some further adjustments to my buy schedule if we go below $30k.. would not be fun.. even though I might just keep it the way I have it.. still would not be fun... ... gosh going down below $30k.. might even trigger a kind of delayed bull market.. but I am not sure.. could kind of screw some investment thesis up, and I suppose a more likely rationale to justify fueling such would be the purging of shitcoin froth.... but still.. just does not seem that any further down is actually necessary in order to fuel further purging of shitcoin froth.. ...

sorry to be crying in my milk before any such thing happens.. but really does not seem good to me.. and I think that it is also a pretty big long shot especially for anyone expecting sub $30k coins.. we will see.  we will see.
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No. Just market noise according to my models. It's cliche to say that there's nothing to see here, but sometimes a cliche is appropriate.


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Where is @cAPSLOCK?
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@Elon. BTC doesn't give you f**k anymore.
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Beware of the fast moving markets.
Fast up is [almost] always an indication of the bear, not a bull.
I want to be optimistic, but this is the way bear market grinds you.

Even the fast pump in April of 2019 eventually reversed fully in March of 2020 (covid-dump), although I wouldn't mind a pop like that (it was from about $4K to $14K between april and june-july 2019). In our case a pop to 55k might be the equivalent.
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Beware of the fast moving markets.
Fast up is [almost] always an indication of the bear, not a bull.
I want to be optimistic, but this is the way bear market grinds you.

Even the fast pump in April of 2019 eventually reversed fully in March of 2020 (covid-dump), although I wouldn't mind a pop like that (it was from about $4K to $14K between april and june-july 2019). In our case a pop to 55k might be the equivalent.

Depends man. Stop being toxic.  Tongue

If the people that bought don't sell / day trade. Then it will blow back up. Smiley  Cool
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Beware of the fast moving markets.
Fast up is [almost] always an indication of the bear, not a bull.
I want to be optimistic, but this is the way bear market grinds you.

Even the fast pump in April of 2019 eventually reversed fully in March of 2020 (covid-dump), although I wouldn't mind a pop like that (it was from about $4K to $14K between april and june-july 2019). In our case a pop to 55k might be the equivalent.

Depends man. Stop being toxic.  Tongue

If the people that bought don't sell / day trade. Then it will blow back up. Smiley  Cool

toxic? maybe your shrooms, lol
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Beware of the fast moving markets.
Fast up is [almost] always an indication of the bear, not a bull.
I want to be optimistic, but this is the way bear market grinds you.

Even the fast pump in April of 2019 eventually reversed fully in March of 2020 (covid-dump), although I wouldn't mind a pop like that (it was from about $4K to $14K between april and june-july 2019). In our case a pop to 55k might be the equivalent.

Depends man. Stop being toxic.  Tongue

If the people that bought don't sell / day trade. Then it will blow back up. Smiley  Cool

toxic? maybe your shrooms, lol

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Fast up is [almost] always an indication of the bear, not a bull.

Biggest BS of the year! All blowoff tops were actually parabolic rallies!  Cool
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These models seem like bullshit for me. If we really got the TOP in November 2021 for this 4years cycle (so only X3.5 of the 2017 ATH), why we should make more (X5 X6) as written in your models on the next one?
Chill the F out guys, the Model I posted is the one Toxic2040 posted the same day. You didn't told him that these models looks bullshit?
I don't see any replies to him the way you said to me? I guess it's just the mentality of yours that everything ImThour post is bullshit.

On the other hand, I don't care what you guys think. I can post whatever I want to post, press that Ignore if you can't take my bullshit.
Stop cornering me or hating me for sharing something someone else already did without getting any hatred. Sick mentality people.

always good to take a different look at things   anyway..you guys is boring tonight...wake me if somebody says something interesting   Tongue




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https://twitter.com/DeFi_initiate/status/1502768103188533249
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Fast up is [almost] always an indication of the bear, not a bull.

Biggest BS of the year! All blowoff tops were actually parabolic rallies!  Cool

Where did you see a blowoff top in a day?
the param for blowoff top is typically 100% in a MONTH (which is 3.3% a day, on average), FOLLOWING the long term slower rise beforehand (do you see this here somewhere?).
Check your charts, buddy.

besides, didn't it just reverse for like a 4th-5th time?
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These models seem like bullshit for me. If we really got the TOP in November 2021 for this 4years cycle (so only X3.5 of the 2017 ATH), why we should make more (X5 X6) as written in your models on the next one?
Chill the F out guys, the Model I posted is the one Toxic2040 posted the same day. You didn't told him that these models looks bullshit?
I don't see any replies to him the way you said to me? I guess it's just the mentality of yours that everything ImThour post is bullshit.

On the other hand, I don't care what you guys think. I can post whatever I want to post, press that Ignore if you can't take my bullshit.
Stop cornering me or hating me for sharing something someone else already did without getting any hatred. Sick mentality people.

always good to take a different look at things   anyway..you guys is boring tonight...wake me if somebody says something interesting   Tongue




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https://twitter.com/DeFi_initiate/status/1502768103188533249

Good catch..the're lots of super opinionated people around here.
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If we really got the TOP in November 2021 for this 4years cycle (so only X3.5 of the 2017 ATH), why we should make more (X5 X6) as written in your models on the next one?
Let me tell you some facts so you can take the stupid logic out of your mind.

It took Crypto 12 years to reach 1 Trillion $ Market Cap and just another 6 months to reach 2 Trillion $ Market Cap.
So if the whole market can x2 in 6 months, anything is possible.

Look where we stand in the Technology adoption curve.
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Mr JJG

Your reply to Toxic on posting the same model


Your reply to me posting the same model


I don't see no "bullshit", "retard", "DOWNity hopenium", "nonsense models", "down before up" words in the reply to Toxic?
Such hypocrisy huh?
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