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[ErisDiscordia]

Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

[oda.krell]

Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Well, I'm aware a lot of people in here give a different answer to that question than I do

[Fatman3001]

Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.

Edit: Or as Oda said.

[ChartBuddy]

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[hdbuck]

Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.

but do they really?

[ErisDiscordia]

Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Well, I'm aware a lot of people in here give a different answer to that question than I do

Was what you said earlier about it your full answer? I am interested in your thoughts about this.

[KryptoFoo]

How long until we break the 300 again, this time in the right direction?

Maybe by Friday. Maybe never.

[Fatman3001]

Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.

but do they really?

Yes, in democratic countries they do. Just because a lot of people on this forum doesn't get it their way doesn't mean that the government isn't chosen through the united democratic will of the people.

[Wary]

Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.

Edit: Or as Oda said.

They don't chose their government in the sense they chose their doctor or internet provider. Obama is your president whether you like it or not. You are subject of the state and it's laws whether you like it or not. And you cannot opt out.

So, they don't chose their government, but they do trust it. Why?

a) Indoctrination, for the first 20 years of life. Would a teacher in a a state-sponsored and state-regulated schools / university teach you that state shouldn't be trusted?

b) Self-delusion. We can't live in an unjust world. Since we can't change the world, we change our world picture.
We persuade ourselves that state is not stationary bandit, but public servant. Not wolf, but shepherd.

[shmadz]

Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.

but do they really?

Yes, in democratic countries they do. Just because a lot of people on this forum doesn't get it their way doesn't mean that the government isn't chosen through the united democratic will of the people.

Wrong.

I didn't choose this government. I chose an alternative.

In thIs system it doesn't matter what I choose. I get the choice of the mob forced upon me.

The illusion of choice is vital for maintaining control of the population.

[hdbuck]

Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.

but do they really?

Yes, in democratic countries they do. Just because a lot of people on this forum doesn't get it their way doesn't mean that the government isn't chosen through the united democratic will of the people.

Wrong.

I didn't choose this government. I chose an alternative.

In thIs system it doesn't matter what I choose. I get the choice of the mob forced upon me.

The illusion of choice is vital for maintaining control of the population.

exactly,

its not because you get the illusion to choose between two puppet scumbags, put there by extensive media coverage and other shadow banking interests whilst pretending to be different (democrate vs republican, right vs left...) that you have a choice. you dont. they force that choice illusion so you STFU, do your chords and pay your taxes.

edit: thats called 'representative' democracy. which by definition is not democracy.

[Fatman3001]

Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.

but do they really?

Yes, in democratic countries they do. Just because a lot of people on this forum doesn't get it their way doesn't mean that the government isn't chosen through the united democratic will of the people.

Wrong.

I didn't choose this government. I chose an alternative.

In thIs system it doesn't matter what I choose. I get the choice of the mob forced upon me.

The illusion of choice is vital for maintaining control of the population.

[simmo77]

We all have a lot more say that someone living in China, N Korea, Zimbabwe etc etc etc

I feel pretty comfortable when I compare myself to those poor souls...

[Fatman3001]

Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.

Edit: Or as Oda said.

They don't chose their government in the sense they chose their doctor or internet provider. Obama is your president whether you like it or not. You are subject of the state and it's laws whether you like it or not. And you cannot opt out.

So, they don't chose their government, but they do trust it. Why?

a) Indoctrination, for the first 20 years of life. Would a teacher in a a state-sponsored and state-regulated schools / university teach you that state shouldn't be trusted?

b) Self-delusion. We can't live in an unjust world. Since we can't change the world, we change our world picture.
We persuade ourselves that state is not stationary bandit, but public servant. Not wolf, but shepherd.

Because they have a better understanding of what a democracy is than you do.

[ElectricMucus]

Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.

but do they really?

Yes, in democratic countries they do. Just because a lot of people on this forum doesn't get it their way doesn't mean that the government isn't chosen through the united democratic will of the people.

Wrong.

I didn't choose this government. I chose an alternative.

In thIs system it doesn't matter what I choose. I get the choice of the mob forced upon me.

The illusion of choice is vital for maintaining control of the population.

OK, which one?
Oh right your choices are somewhat limited.

[Wary]

We all have a lot more say that someone living in China, N Korea, Zimbabwe etc etc etc

I feel pretty comfortable when I compare myself to those poor souls...

Don't be so comfortable about China. Those poor souls can have more say in some personal matters than you do.

[Fatman3001]

Counter question: "Why do most people (mostly) trust their governments?"

Now that is a question worth asking!

Because they chose their government.

but do they really?

Yes, in democratic countries they do. Just because a lot of people on this forum doesn't get it their way doesn't mean that the government isn't chosen through the united democratic will of the people.

Wrong.

I didn't choose this government. I chose an alternative.

In thIs system it doesn't matter what I choose. I get the choice of the mob forced upon me.

The illusion of choice is vital for maintaining control of the population.

exactly,

its not because you get the illusion to choose between two puppet scumbags, put there by extensive media coverage and other shadow banking interests whilst pretending to be different (democrate vs republican, right vs left...) that you have a choice. you dont. they force that choice illusion so you STFU, do your chords and pay your taxes.

edit: thats called 'representative' democracy. which by definition is not democracy.

If you're talking about the US then there is definitely a democratic shortfall in the system. The two parties are center-right and right-wing parties. The Congress doesn't work, partly because of filibuster rules that lets a minority block the democratically elected majority from getting things done, and partly because the american people don't understand its role so they keep electing retarded yahoos to punish a president for stuff that was the responsibility of the Congress. But the US has strong democratic institutions and a strong democratic tradition, so if the people wants to clean up this mess, they can.

If you're talking about Britain: Only a democracy could have forced the Torys to work with Nick "The Invertebrate" Clegg.

[Fatman3001]

We all have a lot more say that someone living in China, N Korea, Zimbabwe etc etc etc

I feel pretty comfortable when I compare myself to those poor souls...

Don't be so comfortable about China. Those poor souls can have more say in some personal matters than you do.

Yes, I sense that a one-party state is what you're dreaming of.

[simmo77]

We all have a lot more say that someone living in China, N Korea, Zimbabwe etc etc etc

I feel pretty comfortable when I compare myself to those poor souls...

Don't be so comfortable about China. Those poor souls can have more say in some personal matters than you do.

Remember, when you assume you make an ass out of u and me

[ChartBuddy]

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